Bizarre ruling saves Giants in Arizona

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Your officiating controversy of the week just went down in Arizona.

With just under three minutes left in a game that the Cardinals led 27-24, Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz caught a pass from Eli Manning and then fell to the ground and dropped the ball while getting up. He was not touched by a Cardinals defender on the ground and the Cardinals grabbed the ball and started back up field as whistles blew. When the refs made it clear that they were allowing the Giants to keep the ball, Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt threw a challenge flag.

But no challenge happened. Referee Jerome Boger announced that the ruling on the field was that Cruz had given himself up on the play and that it was therefore not subject to review. There’s plenty to dislike about this call, starting with the fact that Cruz looked like he stumbled and fell rather than chose to go down of his own volition.

On top of that, there’s the fact that there isn’t a chance to see whether or not to take another look at whether Cruz had given himself up or had fallen to the ground as part of a football play. The NFL’s desire not to open a can of worms on judgment calls is understandable, but this isn’t pass interference or intentional grounding. This was either a player who went down from being touched (Cruz ran through an attempted tackle), a player who went to the ground for another reason or a player who gave himself up.

Then there’s the question of why Cruz was blown dead so quickly when there were several Cardinals right around Cruz on the play. Boger’s explanation gives him cover for not looking at the review, but it does nothing to explain why in the world the officials would have made that call in the first place.

Hakeem Nicks scored a touchdown on the next Giants play, giving them a 31-27 victory over the Cardinals.

102 responses to “Bizarre ruling saves Giants in Arizona

  1. Hey look, the Giants got the benefit of a lucky call/bounce…. what a surprise.

    Complete BS. Not to mention the 2 Pass Intereference calls that should have been called on the Giants in the last 3 minutes that weren’t.

    Effing lucksacks.

  2. Stupid call. What would the refs have said if Cruz got up and ran it in for a TD? Cards got hosed.

  3. I absolutely refuse to take the N.F.L. seriously again this league is fixed when something that wrong can happen the fix had to be in.

  4. He gave himself up…..child please…….the Giants must have went to the Sidney Crosby school of diving given the events of the past 3 weeks……

  5. Don’t wanna hear the Cards fans and Giants haters, with all the HOLDING their line got away with ALL GAME. No way that BUM runs for 140 yards on us, even THOUGH Osi stinks against the run — without them holding as much as I literally saw them in the 1st and 2nd quarter, especially.

  6. the giants are the worst team in the nfl and have been for years. their d line is the only reason they have won any games. it amazes me how a team this bad can have such a good record

  7. Lucky my a–. We should have beaten them by 3 TD, and made this bum a– RB look like Earl f’n Campbell all game.

    KILLDRIVE REARED HIS UGLY HEAD FOR 3 QUARTERS. Eli is great in the no huddle and we only ever run it when we’re in complete desperation.

  8. It’s not a bizarre call if you are a cards fan. This is typical. What an absolute load of bs. I can take the calls on questionable plays (the Levi Brown holding call earlier in the game was a joke). But this is ridiculous. And of course in a day or two, the league will say…whoops, sorry we got that one wrong. Little good that does for the cards. What a joke. The cards are not “allowed” to recover a fumble?

  9. Bullsh!t call. It’s stuff like this that makes one believe that some of these games have predetermined outcomes.

    How far are we into the NFL experience with technology and rule making that they can’t get it right?

    “This week we’ll job Arizona. No one will care.”

    Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! You have to remove the refs from the game to get it right.

  10. The officials are having way to much impact on the game these days. It is ludicrous. To be honest, more than anything else it is ruining the game. I don’t think I’ve ever been less in to a football season as I am this season.

  11. Doesn’t matter now, a win is a win. The rest of the NFL can complain now but all that matters is that the Giants got the W. Move on, worry about your team and stop worrying about a team you don’t root for. The Refs didn’t called any PI, so that’s all that matter. WAH WAH WAH.

  12. Elijah orchestrates his 16th count em 16th comeback drive to win in is totally awesome career get some of that dream team now the eiggles season is over so,,,,,,,,,, get !

  13. im a giants fan and cant believe that that wasnt ruled a fumble…..unreal. to the nutsakk that said the giants have been the worst team in the nfl for years…..get a clue.

    and some dude mentioned the giants getting held all game…..true…..the refs in that game should all be fined a game check….total disgrace.

  14. The Giants are a disgrace. Recall just recently when the Giants got up to walk back to the huddle – and a number of them instantaenously came down with *obviously* fake injuries.

    Wellington Mara must be proud.

  15. Mr. Wright 212 the giants were incredibly lucky because Cruz fumbled the ball. No question about it to anyone outside of NY. Wells running all over NY was nothing but his talent and NY’s lack there of. Your team is just bad get over it, Arizona should have gotten the ball after the Cruz fumble so please sir, sit down.

  16. Who the referee was explains it all. That man can’t even speak properly. How’s he going to properly officiate a game?

  17. Richard Cranium 212 STOP SAYING US you dont play and i would venture to say you never played at any level S.T.F.U.

  18. LOVE all the Giants hate. Must be all those whiny Cowboys and Eagles fans…Yes, it was an odd call but the Giants have had plenty go against them in the past. All NFL teams have. It stings when a call like that goes against you but it all evens out.

    It was ONE play in two late 4th scoring drives. If the Cardinals were so good and wanted this game so bad they would’ve made more stops.

    It’s not like they made some great stop or strip on that play. It would have been a cheap turnover anyway.

    and this guy…

    alcoholicpotheadHTTR RIP21 says:
    Oct 2, 2011 7:36 PM
    the giants are the worst team in the nfl and have been for years.

    how stupid can you be? It’s not just alochol and weed…you’re generally clueless. Or if your’re an Eagles fan, you’re about normal.

  19. alcoholicpothead, youre right, giants have been the worst team in years..zzzzzzzzzzzzz…get a grip.
    I guess its ok when maclin djax dive on every play..let me guess, eli is retarded, he sucks etc etc etc..He is nasty in crunch time.

  20. I am a Giants fan and I have to say that was a very lucky call for us….will not deny that, but the Cards still had plenty of time on the clock to come back and they did not. Bad calls are made during games unfortunately but I will take this win any day. But yes….weird/lucky call.

  21. F’n BS.

    Nfl is a joke.

    All this replay is in place to get calls correct, and yet they have rules for the rules. Aholes

    I would love to see everyone stop buying tickets to these games officiated by horses asses with garage league rules.

  22. As a Giants fan, I freely admit that call was awful. However, to focus on that call alone does both teams a disservice. That was one of the most poorly called games on both sides of the ball I have seen in quite awhile. The bigger question from this game is why are these officials allowed to work in the NFL? They clearly do not understand the rules and are in way over their head. It was painfully obvious by the third quarter that they didn’t belong on the field with professional athletes.

  23. alcoholicpotheadHTTR RIP21 says:

    the giants are the worst team in the nfl and have been for years. their d line is the only reason they have won any games. it amazes me how a team this bad can have such a good record

    _________________________________

    you obviously have been smoking some of that pot today. The Giants are the worst team in the nfl and have been for years? A team that went 10-6 last year, won the Superbowl 4 years ago and haven’t been under 500 in 7 years. Yeah I think the pot smoking and alcohol has killed many of your brain cells.

  24. after watching the replay on nbc that is a crap call all around. just a boneheaded play like when guys drop the ball when entering the endzone. But in this instance he got rewarded

  25. For those complaining about the call….it is a MUTE POINT!!!!

    Cruz got up and left the ball on the ground…the Cardinals DID NOTHING to strip the ball. It is bizarre for a player to leave the ball on the floor but itf the call went the Cardinals way it would be the Giants handing the ball over rather than the cardinals forcing a turnover. IF the cardinal stripped the ball and it was ruled down THEN you can be pissed.

    And for those saying the Giants always getting calls there way.. Bull. How about the Giants 49ers playoff game when the refs called an ineligible receiver which cost the Giants a PLAYOFF GAME…and the next day the refs admitting to screwing up the call.

  26. well…..upon listening to people who have actually played the game…..the refs actually did get the call right. cruz clearly jumped to the ground after he saw that a defender was right in front of him. he let the ball go and got up to go back to the huddle. its a stupid rule but it is the rule regardless. giants got lucky because of a stupid rule….unless cruz can honestly say that he knew the rule. it wasnt the wrong call however.

  27. That was a bad call but you go with what the ref’s call or else no need for the ref’s. Anyway how bout Easy E 300 yds no INT I love to say no turn overs but when booths came in had that lil mishap. Go GIANTS

  28. Okay. I just have to say that number 1, yes it certainly looked like a fumble.

    And number 2, I thought it was going to go to the Cards.

    HOWEVER…

    People need to stop acting like this was some huge injustice. The Cards DID NOTHING to make that happen to benefit from it. Cruz was an idiot. The fact that the Cards didn’t get a chance to win off his own self-inflicted stupidity doesn’t make me feel sorry for them.

    If it was that the Cards made a great play to win the game and got screwed out of it, thats one thing. But they did nothing. If Cruz just waits to be touched before he drops the ball, there’s nothing to talk about.

    The Giants made plays to win. Cards didn’t. End of it.

  29. Cruz definitely gave himself up. Otherwise why would he put the ball on the ground and start to stand up. The call could be justified either way, but the officials still have to use their best judgement.

  30. Hey guess what? I’ve seen us get the short end of the stick the last few years in multiple games and if you want to get an apology for a beneficial call, go ask your mother cause I’m not gonna give it to you.

  31. If the league has ant integrety they would reverse the VICTORY after all the Giants had no timeouts and the clock would have been run out.

  32. Sageo,
    Do you understand what a MOOT point is? It is a moot point because nothing can be done about it now not for the bizarre reasons you went on to explain. It was a bad call and that call cost the Cardinals the game. Arizona fans have every reason to be upset and complain about it. The fact that he wasn’t stripped of the ball is irrelevant.

  33. Glad to see that SOME fans realize that every team gets calls, and every team has bad calls against them. Over the course of a season, these things even out.

    I am a Giants fan, and I can’t sit here and defend the call or the decision by Cruz to just put the ball on the ground. But that call was typical for this game. Just horribly officiated all the way around.

    And “alcoholicpothead”, calling the Giants one of the worst teams in the league…well, your name says it all. You, sir, are a moron.

  34. seageo not a mute point, it was a fumble, and the Giants were given a victory they shouldn’t have. the league will apologize and a few teams might be screwed because of it how many will be determined. once again it was if they picked the winner of the game by drawing it out of a hat same result.

  35. Bottom Line Giants win go 3-1 and are looking at the sea chickens at home next week should be 4-1 after that. And we won today on Eli’s arm no running game to speak of at all.

    And yes all the haters will be out in force once again Eli sucks blah blah blah

    But FYI you can not spell Elite with out Eli

  36. seageo says:
    Oct 2, 2011 7:58 PM
    For those complaining about the call….it is a MUTE POINT!!!!

    And for those saying the Giants always getting calls there way.. Bull. How about the Giants 49ers playoff game when the refs called an ineligible receiver which cost the Giants a PLAYOFF GAME…and the next day the refs admitting to screwing up the call.
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    Well, he may have gotten the whole “mute/moot” thing wrong, but he did bring up a great point about that Giants/49ers game. Can’t say the Giants are ALWAYS the beneficiaries of the bad call. They truly got hosed that time.

  37. greymares says: Oct 2, 2011 8:05 PM

    If the league has ant integrety they would reverse the VICTORY after all the Giants had no timeouts and the clock would have been run out.

    ____________________________

    Seriously, If they did that for games where bad calls were made, there would be about 3 games a year reversed. One play does not change everything especially when there was 2:40 seconds still left on the clock and the Cardinals had every opportunity to score the winning score still and they didn’t.

  38. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    Oct 2, 2011 7:37 PM
    Lucky my a–. We should have beaten them by 3 TD, and made this bum a– RB look like Earl f’n Campbell all game.

    KILLDRIVE REARED HIS UGLY HEAD FOR 3 QUARTERS. Eli is great in the no huddle and we only ever run it when we’re in complete desperation.

    Should have..thats the key point. Don’t make lame comments in support of your team

  39. What controversy? He slipped, went to the ground, and gave up his right to extend the play by placing the ball on the ground. You guys need to read the rule book before asserting an easy call for the refs is a controversy.

    Great job by the refs today.

    Go Giants!!!

  40. Sageo,
    Do you understand what a MOOT point is? It is a moot point because nothing can be done about it now not for the bizarre reasons you went on to explain. It was a bad call and that call cost the Cardinals the game. Arizona fans have every reason to be upset and complain about it. The fact that he wasn’t stripped of the ball is irrelevant.

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    Not irrelevant because the cardinals played no part in it. They didnt cause the “fumble” so they wouldnt have any credit for it.

    PLUS either Cruz “Gave himself up” which means he was unprovoked..You guys are saying he WAS provoked so it was a fumble….Ok so if he WAS provoked it doesnt matter cause he was on the ground and it would have been down by contact.

  41. did you see the refs wave off an obvious PI call against the Pats today that would have kept the Raiders in the game (down 24-10, obvious PI, would have put the ball on the 1, most likely making it 24-17)

  42. What if he got up and spiked it like Plax did vs the Jags his rookie year? Isnt that giving himself up? Would Plax’s fumble still be a fumble in this NFL? didnt even know a non QB could give himself up

  43. I don’t get it. This is as simple and textbooks as it gets. The rule says, if a player goes to the ground, and does not attempt to advance, he is considered to have given himself up.

    Cruz went to the ground, made no attempt to advance (note: he left the ball on the ground) and went back towards the huddle.

    Not a bad call, he wasn’t trying to get up, he wasn’t trying to advance. He gave himself up. Play over.

  44. What is this “giving yourself up” stuff? I’ve never heard of this for a player other than the Quarterback. How many receivers do you see go down, and then get back up and try to run if they don’t get touched. This is the first time I’ve ever heard of a ref saying a guy “gave himself up.”

  45. sounds like Karma came back for ya Arizona for that lack of a call of a facemask in the Wild Card game against the pack, did yall win that super bowl?

  46. packfaninvikeland says:Oct 2, 2011 7:38 PM
    “NFL looks more fixed as the weeks go by..NFL turning into WWE.”

    It’d be kinda cool seeing Stone Cold Aaron Rodgers showing up in a beer truck and raising heck all over the NFL.

  47. Funny thing, when the NFL network looked it over, all the players said the same thing. Legit. Deion added its what the Rams receivers used to do.
    But if you prefer, if Cruz was a QB sliding feet first the ruling would have been the same. Same concept.
    The idea he tripped though is absolutely retarded. I mean Alper needs to put the bong down.

  48. refs, please stop trying to get ur names/attention in the sports page by disecting basic football rules that have been around for decades!

  49. You can’t really complain about this call either way. It’s going to piss of a lot of people whichever way its called, but the ref could have called it either way under the rule.

    They should clarify this. I saw Matt Ryan do it in the Seattle game. Personally, when a guy dives headfirst to just get down to avoid contact the refs probably should blow it dead before he’s touched.

    To me, this guy did not slip, he kind of stumbled but he still had his feet underneath him and just decided to go down. They were running the hurry up.

  50. I stopped watching this game about halfway through the third quarter because the officiating was just atrocious. There were plenty of calls that should have been called, and plenty that shouldn’t have been called. Because of that, I don’t need to see the play to know that it was most likely a bad call. That said, when you get down to it, a win is a win and a loss is a loss. Good teams know how to adjust from that and move on. But the officiating in this league has needed a big overhaul for years. A lot of these guys really need to go. Mike Carey’s group is about the only one that knows how to call a good game. I just wish he could call all of them.

  51. *************************************************
    luciano26 says:
    didnt even know a non QB could give himself up

    macker1283 says:
    What is this “giving yourself up” stuff? I’ve never heard of this for a player other than the Quarterback.

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    Could be one reason why neither of you will need to concern yourselves with how to enter money earned from NFL officiating on your 2011 tax returns.
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  52. Any referee should be suspended or fined for a blown call, but that’s exactly what happens when a player or coach criticizes a referee, even when they’re wrong.

  53. Any referee should be suspended or fined for a blown call, but that’s exactly what happens when a player or coach criticizes a referee, even when they admit they’re wrong.

  54. It was a legit call on a dumb rule. Watch the replay. Cruz is almost tackled by Adams (?) – almost has a knee down, but not quite – just barely regains his footing to proceed for a few more yards, stumbles, both knees now down, and then it’s quite clear that he intentionally lets go of the ball. This strongly suggests that what he was thinking was that he had never really gotten back on his feet after Adams knocked him down, and although he manage to stumble forward a few more yards, it was Adams touch initially that ultimately caused him to go down. I’m not saying that’s what happened, I’m saying the replay suggests that’s what Cruz think happened. One thing is clear – he put down that ball willingly and was about to get up and walk away when Cardinals swarmed around the ball. The ruling is that he gave up on the ball and thus the play was over. It’s pretty clear that’s what happened whether anyone wants to admit it or not. It was a legit call on a very dumb rule. The rule should be that if you let the ball go before the whistle blows then it’s a live ball.

  55. Hats off to the Cards. After the game, they did not come out and dog the officials and blame them for the call OR the loss. They manned up, and said they didn’t make the plays necessary to win the game.

    A certain Philly QB could probably learn a lesson from the Cards.

  56. at 90mph the refs thought he was going down and thusly called him down.

    and since u can NOT review what his intentions were it is done. stop crying. it was 100% a correct call

  57. There was 3 guys converging on Cruz, 2 from each direction in front of him, and one coming from behind.. He may have stumbled and went to the ground, but he did not attempt to get back up to run with the ball… (so he essentially did give up on the play) I don’t think he knew the rule, and thought he was still in college, so we got away with one.
    Eli still drove practically the entire field for 2 touchdowns, with less than 6 minutes, and still left 2minute 35 seconds for Arizona, Arizona also had the ball twice and during that time and did nothing with it..
    Sorry the better team did win.If the Giants had lost everybody would have asked Cruz WTF are you doing? It would have been another weird loss by the Giants… It’s nice to be on opposite end for a change…

  58. It’s a questionable call, but it’s not exactly like the ball just popped out as he hit the ground. He dropped it on the ground as he was getting up as players often do. I think that is what the ref saw.

  59. bucketofish nailed it as I saw it.
    The only question I would have is when did the whistle blow and noone seems to be asking that. I couldn’t tell in the few replays I saw.
    The rule should be basic in that even if a player gives up he has to keep the ball til the whistle blows.

  60. Just look at his head before he goes down, looks at the defender on the left, looks at the guy coming behind, just flops down. Doesn’t trip, just flops down. You don’t “stumble” and have both legs go out from under you like they did with Cruz.

  61. Ever since the Giants were hosed in Supe XXXV with the phantom defensive holding call to negate Jesse Armstead’s pick six of Trent Dilfer, I no longer care how many flubbed, blown, missed, nonexistent or phantom calls are ruled in their favor.

    Go Giants.

  62. Cry me a river. There are controversial calls in every game and two weeks later the only thing that will be remembered is that the Giants got the “W.”

    Cardinals could not stop Manning and his receivers in the 4th quarter.

  63. FYI Rule: Specific Rule on Cruz NYG play, rulebook: “Official shall declare ball dead…when runner declares himself down by falling to ground or kneeling & making no effort to advance.” Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 (e), page 35 of NFL Rule Book

  64. Dude he freaking looked at the defender and went right down to his elbows to prevent losing it cause it was their last shot, use your head before posting some goofy blog like this.

  65. What a bogus explnation…gave himself up…where did that come from. When was the last time that was called with a runner going forward with ball, not sliding or taking a knee. These refs changed the outcome of a game and should be pointed out for it.

  66. I was watching this game in a bar with the sound down, so I didn’t find out until I got home what the rationale for the ruling was.

    An entire bar full of serious football fans speculating about what that call could have been, and not one person said “maybe he gave himself up”.

    What a joke.

  67. This type of play happened last year when the chargers played the pats. Richard Goodman got up and left the ball on the ground without being touched and it was ruled a fumble then. Guess “that rule” didnt exist then.

  68. I noticed that on the league page, there is no mention of this game in their headlines. Bummer for the Giants I suppose? They “won” after all.

    No mention of the game at all, other than the score at the top of the page. No article on this call, no article on this game. What are they waiting for? hmmmmmm……?

    That speaks volumes.

  69. This is exactly like the “tuck rule” call that benefited the Patriots in ’01 and sent them to the Super Bowl. It’s a the right call on a bad rule.

    Also, if the refs are going to flag Rolle for hitting on a guy who allegedly gave himself up in Week One, then Cruz is down for giving himself up in Week Four.

  70. If you watch the play closely, after he catches the ball, he sees the guy in front of him, quickly turns his head to the right and sees another guy approaching from behind before he dives down. The “giving himself up” part is him diving down around the 3 Cardinals defenders assuming that at least one of them would touch him (which is a normal assumption).

    Weird call, but the correct one.

  71. luciano26 – The rules change constantly each year, so the Plax thing isnt’ a good example anymore. Also, IIRC, in that case Plax popped up and spiked the ball. Cruz gave himself up, then put the ball down to be spotted b/c they were running the hurry-up. The refs should have blown the whistle faster is all that was a little bit off about this call.

  72. Did the Cardinals hit Cruz and force a fumble.
    NO.
    Did Cruz drop the ball before he was down or the play was whistled dead.
    NO.
    The raw receiver just left the ball on the ground while he was getting up from what he thought was a completed play.
    Arizona didn’t do anything to cause a fumble. If it had been ruled that Cruz had fumbled before the play was over than it would just have been taking advantage of a kid that didn’t know a rule that almost no one else knew either.

    There are controversial plays in every game. Claiming that a call cost you the game is for losers. In two weeks no one will remember that call. They will only remember that the Giants got the “W.”

  73. This is why the NFL totally sucks. The league thinks we just don’t remember the past, and makes calls based on what they perceive is in their best finanial interest.
    1. A Charger last year laid the ball down against the Patriots and it was ruled a fumble even though he went down untouched and didn’t try to advance.
    2. Plaxico spiked a ball after a first down and he went down untouched and it was ruled a fumble.
    3. A more memorable example only a die hard Viking fan could cite was Steve Walsh on MNF against the Packers caught the ball and went down on one knee in the middle of the field and a Packer speared him while he kneeled, and they let the clock keep running even thought they were signaling a time out.

    The NFL is what it is, a vastly entertaining business that knows we are hooked to what they are selling, and not averse to fixing games, plays, refs, whatever they need to to take as much cash out of us as they can. Too bad we love it too much to give them what they deserve.

  74. This is a media smokescreen. It looked to me that he got up and left the ball on the ground when he did. The officials considered that he was ‘ giving himself up’ with that motion. The controversy was caused by the media – not other officials. First there is loudmouth Pereira second guessing officials as a memeber of the media like he never did when he was the VP of Officiating. The we have that idiot Tony Dungy basically calling the officials idiots – but he refuses to call his buddy and Colt coach Caldwell an idiot.

  75. “FYI Rule: Specific Rule on Cruz NYG play, rulebook: “Official shall declare ball dead…when runner declares himself down by falling to ground or kneeling & making no effort to advance.” Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 (e), page 35 of NFL Rule Book”

    It looks to me that is exactly what Cruz did. He was on the ground, got up and left the ball on the ground when he did.

  76. Cmon guys, the Giants play in New York the Cards Arizona. Obviously they will make calls in favor of the major market. Dont be so naive to think that money has nothing to do with these calls. Who would it be worse to upset, New Yorkers or the people of Arizona? Large market teams are far more profitable and when the outcome of a game can benefit one of them they obviously sway in that direction. This call was an absolute travesty, it undermines the alleged integrity of the NFL.

  77. kd75 says:
    Oct 2, 2011 7:47 PM
    I think the Cardinals. Seahawks and Rams losses today clinched the NFC West for the 3 win 49ers…

    Lol there is still way too much football to go to be crowning the 49ers. I recall they shot themselves in the foot last year when the division was supposedly in their hands.

  78. As a Giants fan I was obviously relieved with the call. Do I think Cruz was giving himself up? No. That seems obvious. Ironically though, since the end of the rule is “…and makes no effort to advance”, I think the fact that Cruz put the ball down and left it is what convinced the ref that he’d given himself up.

    I don’t really think it was the right call, but the refs do have an out on the last phrase in the rule. Either way, I’ll take the win.

  79. greymares says: Oct 2, 2011 7:43 PM

    Richard Cranium 212 STOP SAYING US you dont play and i would venture to say you never played at any level S.T.F.U.
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    Get off my d!ck b!tch. You stalking me harder than the four broads who have stalked me ever DID.

    Who is this Richard Cranium person anyway???

    And I played in high school until I nearly died from a blood illness. Take that nonsense elsewhere.

  80. armchairqb says: Oct 2, 2011 9:33 PM

    Ever since the Giants were hosed in Supe XXXV with the phantom defensive holding call to negate Jesse Armstead’s pick six of Trent Dilfer, I no longer care how many flubbed, blown, missed, nonexistent or phantom calls are ruled in their favor.

    Go Giants.
    ——–

    Yes, between that and the SF game in ’02 playoffs.

    Eagles fans here are bitter because they’re continuing to get exposed every game LMFAO.

  81. @alcoholicpotheadHTTR RIP21 – I’m sorry, your just wrong. With several teams that are 0-4, the Giants are not the worst team in the NFL. Please get over yourself, and take a moment to think about what you’re typing before pressing the Submit button. Thank you.

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