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John Fox: We tried the Tebow package once and lost yardage

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If Broncos coach John Fox thought putting Tim Tebow on the field just long enough to get one carry for minus-one yard on Sunday would curtail the questions about benching Kyle Orton, he was wrong.

Fox was asked about it after the game, when reporters wondered whether the reason to give Tebow only one play was that they were behind the Packers and needed Orton’s passing to catch up.

“That, and we did it once and we lost yardage,” Fox said. “That wasn’t all on him by any stretch, but it didn’t prove to be beneficial, so we went in a different direction.”

But the thing is, the legions of Broncos fans who want Tebow to get a chance don’t just want Fox to put Tebow in for one play and pull him if that one play doesn’t work. They want to see what the Broncos’ offense would look like if Tebow were running it. For an entire game, not for a play or even a series.

Fox, however, says he’s not even considering benching Orton for Tebow.

“We feel Kyle Orton is our starting quarterback,” Fox said. “We need our starting quarterback to get experience for us to improve. That’s the idea behind that. You know he needs to get better in our system. I know he gets judged on the past couple of years, but we’re trying to get him better in our system and use that experience to get better.”

Orton, whose 80.9 passer rating puts him in a tie with Donovan McNabb for 17th in the NFL, needs to get a lot better before Broncos fans will be able to accept Fox’s apparently firm decision that Tebow will remain on the bench.

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  1. howiefeltersnatch says: Oct 3, 2011 12:50 PM

    Fox should have taken a year off. All those seasons in Carolina had to burn him out and I’m not sure jumping right in with Horseface running the show was a wise move.

    This is a train wreck, why is Orton still even starting? They know what he’s capable of already.

  2. texansfan2011 says: Oct 3, 2011 12:52 PM

    TeBlow has no arm for NFL competition, he’s a fine guy but can not play to the NFL level sorry dude, you just don’t have it……….

  3. 2sausage11 says: Oct 3, 2011 12:52 PM

    Fox has know idea how to develop a young QB or WR look at what he did at Carolina always goes for the Vet.

  4. daytonaken says: Oct 3, 2011 12:53 PM

    Why not cut or trade Tebow and remove the distraction?

  5. joetoronto says: Oct 3, 2011 12:53 PM

    “We tried the Tebow package once and lost yardage”

    Well, that’s it then, Timmy got his fair shot.

    Aye ca rumba.

  6. scytherius says: Oct 3, 2011 12:54 PM

    The Tebow disaster is going to haunt the Broncos for years until they get rid of him.

  7. fissels says: Oct 3, 2011 12:54 PM

    Give Tebow a real chance, not just one play

  8. chipper41 says: Oct 3, 2011 12:55 PM

    translation…we’d want a shot at andrew luck

  9. redskinspike says: Oct 3, 2011 12:57 PM

    Broncos fans are so delusional. I don’t understand it. There’s no way Tebow is even close to being as good as Orton, and he’s “tied” with Brady Quinn for the backup role, because if John Fox put him at 3rd string there would be an uprising against this Broncos team! Broncos fans need a reality check.

    I feel really bad for Tebow. Denver should honestly just trade him to some other team. He brings too much negativity to the team, and it isn’t even his fault. He’s respectful and says all the right things about it to the press.

  10. steelbydesign says: Oct 3, 2011 12:58 PM

    I kinda feel bad for Fox.

    The fans need to just shut up. Everyone wants to pretend like they know what they’re talking about, but the coaching staff has seen way more of Tebow than any of us, and with as bad as Orton is playing, if they thought Tebow would be any better he’d be playing by now.

    There’s a reason Brady Quinn beat out Tebow for the #2 spot.

  11. jtbaudendistel says: Oct 3, 2011 12:59 PM

    Orton is not a great QB. In fact, he isn’t even a good QB. But that being said the guy is still much better than Timmy girls-have-cooties Tebow. However, Tim will start soon because Denver fans and or Jesus fans are going to force Fox to start him. Cant wait to see a fullback run an NFL offense.

  12. ourbaskets says: Oct 3, 2011 12:59 PM

    As others have said – Foxy is a veteran’s coach. he is a good coach, but he will wear his welcome out before it is all said and done.

    At least you’re not getting the classic “It is what it is.” God I got tired of that here in Carolina.

  13. das14 says: Oct 3, 2011 12:59 PM

    Ever since Elway they have been crying for a QB. It’s not going to happen folks. They run QB after QB out of there. This is what you have.

  14. supashug says: Oct 3, 2011 12:59 PM

    its kinda fun to watch if you arent a Denver fan

  15. awdlmd says: Oct 3, 2011 12:59 PM

    Had Fox watched any film of his new team from 2010 he would have realized that play gets stuffed every time except on the goal line.

  16. dellied says: Oct 3, 2011 1:00 PM

    Can Broncos fans explain to me why they think Tebow is actually any good?

  17. santolonius says: Oct 3, 2011 1:01 PM

    i like tebow. i would like to see him get a chance. but objectively speaking, i think it would be totally fair for denver to cut or trade him to end the distraction. if that happens, it would be a case of fans killing the thing they love because they think they have a right and a duty to be endless, uncompromising agitators.

  18. petehemlock says: Oct 3, 2011 1:03 PM

    Trade Tebow to Indianapolis.

  19. cmb79 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:03 PM

    Wow. One play? And the kids a failure? Yikes, Coach.

  20. dracko19 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:07 PM

    Tebow is a terrible traditional QB with horrible mechanics. However, he’s possibly the best QB I’ve ever seen once a play goes to heck and he has to improvise next to Vick. Ask yourself “how often does that happen each game?”

  21. blastfurnaceknows says: Oct 3, 2011 1:08 PM

    I’ve seen a lot of negativity around Tebow, but calling his “package” a failure may top it all.

  22. scudbot says: Oct 3, 2011 1:08 PM

    Things could be worse. McDaniels’ patented five step drop into hell would have destroyed Orton and Tebow both by now. Sam Bradford may never recover.

  23. 2sausage11 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:10 PM

    What we have here “is what it is” isn’t it

  24. Battle Red Raider says: Oct 3, 2011 1:10 PM

    Maybe you lost yardage because the playcall was so obvious

  25. sikoix says: Oct 3, 2011 1:10 PM

    As a Viking fan I feel a little better knowing there is another team out there willing to take insulting-people’s-intelligence to the next level.

  26. deadmanwalking47 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:11 PM

    wonder if john”mr ed” elway is gonna can john fox after 1 season and go after somebody like jeff fisher next year? as bad as the broncos are,they should find a way to work tebow in and not necessarily at qb.he’d be a get half back and a great type of slash player like kordell stewart was in pittsburg the early years.tebow is one hell of an athelete,why not try and use that instead of never letting him play?

  27. canadianvikingfaniii says: Oct 3, 2011 1:11 PM

    That, and we did it once and we lost yardage,” Fox said.

    Definition of the Bronco’s run game.

  28. countsnail says: Oct 3, 2011 1:11 PM

    Fox is making the right call here. Tebow isn’t an NFL QB, period. Broncos fans are all caught up in the Collegiate aura surrounding him, but he couldn’t run an NFL offense to save his life.

    Quite frankly, he’s arrogant too. The way he carries himself on the sideline and in the press suggests that he feels he is entitled to be the starting QB. You aren’t the Lord and Savior of the Mile High city Tim, get over yourself.

  29. qdog112 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:11 PM

    Tebow has not earned a chance to play QB. It seems everyone has forgotten that he’s 3rd string. Any change should be Quinn for Orton and definitely not the 3rd guy.

  30. chlamydiachampaign says: Oct 3, 2011 1:11 PM

    Hey….Tebow got his chance. He had his play. He had a FULL PLAY to change the NFL world as we know it, and he DIDNT. So obviously, he DOESNT HAVE IT. NEVER WILL.

    duh.

  31. dogsweat1 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:18 PM

    Love the” We did this once” excuse…

    Why the Denver Mules are putrid.

    Have a nice a 3-13 season and enjoy bowing down to the Raiders.

    lol

    Johnny “Arrogance’ Elway is too afraid he will be wrong.

    I will enjoy watching this franchise run into the ground because of Elways ego.

  32. sj39 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:18 PM

    Free Tim Tebow.

  33. fissels says: Oct 3, 2011 1:19 PM

    Tebow may not have the greatest skills but he is a proven winner and a leader. I’d rather have a guy like that as my QB than some of the crybabies starting now for other teams.

  34. hatesycophants says: Oct 3, 2011 1:19 PM

    What the hell is wrong with Broncos fans? The coaching staff, GM and ownership have evaluated this guy and they have concluded that he is not an NFL QB. You know better? Do you know better, Smiff? Granted, your HC is a tool, but do you think he would risk his career by keeping a qualified starter on the bench just to make a point?

    Again, what the hell is wrong with you people?

    Go Lions! Go Badgers!

  35. jessethegreat says: Oct 3, 2011 1:20 PM

    With Fox as the head coach, odds are that Matt Flynn will play more in mop up duty for Rodgers than Tebo this year.

  36. axespray says: Oct 3, 2011 1:20 PM

    Our Defense snuff’d that play out…

    Now that Flea Flicker with (i think) no-shaun marino’s juke move, then whip around and Kyle lobbing it deep to that Lloyd guy…

    It was embarassing how bad we got burned on that, but man was that a thing of beauty.

  37. facelessman75 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:21 PM

    Broncos-Trade Tebow to Miami, or Cleveland. Coach Fox, you are starting Orton and not winning. IF you continue to Lose with Orton people will start pressuring management to Get rid of you. Not for Not starting Tebow, but for Losing. Start Tebow, Win or Lose you can buy a couple more years of coaching the Bronco’s.
    Either Way, IMO Fox wont be around Long enough to develop Tebow. The Next Guy will either benefit from Tebow or Trade Him

  38. uwsptke says: Oct 3, 2011 1:23 PM

    “We tried the Tebow package once and lost yardage”

    Well with that logic, I have to wonder why the Titans bother giving the ball to Chris Johnson.

    But seriously, Tebow and the Broncos are a bad marriage. Tebow needs to sit and learn the pro game, and work on his mechanics. In Denver, he’s just sitting. If they put him in, he will fail because he isn’t getting his issues corrected. John Fox is going to teach him to be a pro passer? Are you kidding me?

    Before the 2010 draft, Mike McCarthy said he would “love” the chance to coach Tebow. McCarthy and his QB School, while sitting behind Rodgers for a couple years might be the only chance he has at becoming a good NFL QB. Rodgers was nowhere near as athletic as Alex Smith, and had bad mechanics. McCarthy clearly has fixed those issues. San Francisco didn’t necessarily get it wrong in drafting Smith, they got it wrong when they let the QB tutor (McCarthy) get away while completely stalling Smith’s development.

  39. sudds says: Oct 3, 2011 1:25 PM

    Well… I guess we now officially know why Fox’s team had the worst record in the league last year… CLEARLY the man is an idiot!!!

  40. Andre's Johnson says: Oct 3, 2011 1:25 PM

    haha…Tebow’s package.

  41. pantherpro says: Oct 3, 2011 1:26 PM

    Foxy is so lame he would have taken DT over Cam. Look how exciting the Panthers are now that they have stud coach instead of the dull
    Fox!

  42. CKL says: Oct 3, 2011 1:27 PM

    ourbaskets says: Oct 3, 2011 12:59 PM

    As others have said – Foxy is a veteran’s coach.
    ____________________________________
    I’m not picking on you in particular here because I see this criticism of him all the time, but I think that’s a little unfair only because it implies that if a rookie is actually BETTER he will still play the vet who isn’t as good. Now that would just be stupid because coaches want to win because winning keeps them employed. What he is is CONSERVATIVE (as most defensive minded coaches are on offense especially)and that means that until he’s CONVINCED the rookie is better, the vet who has proven to be coachable and does what’s expected of him within his system will start. More TALENT does not =BETTER player for the team. He’s started rookies before like Gamble, Beason, etc. And Gamble started the following year after they went to the SB so it isn’t like he had a weak team with no success and nothing to lose.

  43. acanniv says: Oct 3, 2011 1:27 PM

    Well, by that logic, I suppose Orton shouldn’t have thrown another pass after the pick-6 to Woodson.

    I also love how a seven-year veteran in his second year in the same system (McCoy was the OC last year) and the last year of his contract needs to get more reps to improve, but the kid in his second year and the only QB on the roster with years left on his deal doesn’t even get in the fourth quarter down by 30. What a joke. Fox is proving to me fast and furious that he is just as bad as McDaniels. Maybe worse. Gonna be a loooong 3 years Broncos fans.

  44. august589 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:27 PM

    It’s as if Fox is saying, “See, playing Tebow doesn’t work. Now, let’s get back to REAL football.”

    I’m starting to lose my confidence in Fox. He seems to not know how to use the talent that he has in Denver. The Packers knew EXACTLY what was coming when Tebow went in the game. Instead of a plunge into the line, how letting Tebow pass or run an option or something that maximizes his talents.

  45. rdrs68 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:28 PM

    Fox may not be the best coach but you gotta feel for the guy for all the BS he is getting from the self appointed “experts” who base their vast knowledge of the game on the fact they play fantasy football.

  46. dowhatifeellike says: Oct 3, 2011 1:29 PM

    Orton is going to win them 3 games this year. Might as well put the kid in and see what he can do. Either he’ll prove to be better than Orton (unlikely, IMO), or he’ll prove that he can’t do it and the organization can move on.

  47. shaggytoodle says: Oct 3, 2011 1:30 PM

    He should put Tebow in, and after that game Fox can just say “I told you so,” and leave his conference, after Tebow turns in what I would guess to be a not so great passing game.

  48. boswivel says: Oct 3, 2011 1:30 PM

    Trick question. Tim Tebow has no package.

  49. CKL says: Oct 3, 2011 1:31 PM

    Let me give you an example…Vince Wilfork was not the starting NT for the Pats when he was a rookie. Weird isn’t it? Guy’s a STUD but couldn’t “beat out” 976 year old Keith Traylor???? Vince was a 1 gap penetrator in college and had to learn the Pats system of 2 gap 3-4. he hiself admitted it was a huge transition. He didn’t really “get it” for well into his second year. Vince had more TALENT, more POTENTIAL…but didn’t have the knowledge and experience yet to do what BB needed his NT to do.

  50. kisstherings says: Oct 3, 2011 1:31 PM

    @redskinspike says:Oct 3, 2011 12:57 PM

    I feel really bad for Tebow. Denver should honestly just trade him to some other team. He brings too much negativity to the team, and it isn’t even his fault. He’s respectful and says all the right things about it to the press.
    ——————————————————–

    Yeah, because there are a lot of teams out there that want to sign up for that baggage and bring the controversy into their locker room…..

    I bet the Bronco’s phones are ringing off the hook….

  51. ttaylor7575 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:32 PM

    Fox is as stubborn-ed as a mule! While he was here in Carolina he let Jake Delhome hang the Panther for 2 years before he was cut.

    I am not saying Tebow is the answer but change is not in Fox’s makeup!

    He did the same exact thing to Armanti Edwards. He put the kid in on 2 play the entire season and said that he gave him a “chance”. Hes not fond of playing or developing rookies, he will always go with a vet first no matter how much they fail!

    Tebow’s best bet is to go to a team that will at least give him a chance to play and develop him, all Fox is going to do is bench him for another year.

    Tebow has no future in Denver while Fox is the coach.

  52. Broncofanatic7 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:33 PM

    Funny to give maybe one of the best college football players of all time just ONE play and say it wasn’t working. You’re gonna run a QB draw against the Green Bay Packers, with our crappy Center and Guards and tell me that it didn’t work? I could have told you that much coach!
    Tebow is going to get a shot sometime, somewhere. It will happen and everyone will see that he didn’t magically forget how to play football between college and the NFL.
    If there are people that really truly believe that Orton is a good QB, then you are an idiot. Excuse, after excuse, after excuse has been made for the guy. But in the end he’s the same ol immobile, neck beard, weak armed, prius driving QB that he’s always been.

  53. ltshouldstillbeinsd says: Oct 3, 2011 1:33 PM

    Why am I not surprised that the broncos fans and coach are talking about Tebow’s package….?

    In other news, Tebow sucks, and gives them a much greater chance at failure, which isn’t saying much. So put him in, please. I’d love to see him get blown up every week. You can never trust a virgin over the age of 16.

  54. orakpownd says: Oct 3, 2011 1:33 PM

    Tebow…youngest coach in NFL history..Give it a try…because obviously, you cant play at this level.

  55. redrifle14 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:34 PM

    I feel for Denver fans. Fox has tried the Orton package, and gotten 3 losses, so that isnt working either. First Josh McDick, now then has been joke.

  56. yeti47 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:34 PM

    As a Carolina fan i will say enjoy Fox. He has his ups and Many Many Many Downs. He stuck with Delhomme that year until when all he did was throw picks it was too late. Orton is just not a good QB, anything would be better than him.

  57. damnsureis says: Oct 3, 2011 1:35 PM

    “We tried Tom Brady when Bledsoe got hurt but he threw an incomplete pass.”

  58. educatedopinion2073 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:38 PM

    Look the reality of the situation is this: Orton is a better QB than anyone ever knew he was while he was in Chi-town, because he got here under Mc-Dummy and got to start to sling the ball. He is a high level backup – or a average starter no matter how you look at it.

    Ever since Elway left Denver fans always thought they were one peice away, in reality they should have stopped using old vets and started developing new talent. That is where the are now – the last years of Shannahan and the Mc-Dummy experiment decimate this team. Xanders might have gotten a 3 year extension based on this last year draft with Von Miller and Raheem Moore, but the reality is Denver still has an unproven QB in Tebow.

    His contract will keep him off the feild till week 9, even if Orton gets his leg Theisman’d. Fox does not believe in Tebow, which proves his short sightedness. This is going to lead to 5 more years of misery in Denver, because no the coach wants to win now and not develop the talent.

    Kyle is gone after this year, if you make Quinn your starter you got to re-sign him as with starter money (which he is not worth). Tebow is the only QB under contract next year.

    Solution – Test Tebow let him show everyone what he has, makes it easier to cut him, or renegotiate the contract as a true backup. Bring in a solid vet next year (like a Hasselbeck) and draft another QB and build him.

    I think Tebow will do good, but he seems to the type of QB that plays better in games, than what he show in practice. He does not need to work on his throwing motion (see Phillip Rivers) let him just go out there and play. He may surprise some you, and he is definitely going to disappoint some who think he’s is the second coming of Elway.

  59. jeffcor7 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:39 PM

    It’s so funny how people are willing to say Tebow can’t cut it before he even has a fair chance. In Carolina, we had to listen to all the garbage about how Cam Newton would be the next Jamarcus Russell. Then, guess what, he actually got the opportunity to play and then people could start judging him by his performance. Now, don’t get me wrong, I am not saying Tebow will be or is as good as Newton. However, Tebow didn’t look bad at all at the end of last season when he played three full games. In fact, he looked better than Orton did last year. You simply can’t judge him based on what we have all seen. As far as Fox is concerned, he wouldn’t change his mind if Orton got hurt and Tebow came in and threw for a thousand yard game. He is stubborn and set in his ways and refuses to give young players a chance whenever there is a veteran alternative. Just look at Jake Delhomme vs Matt Moore in Panther land. I know Matt isn’t the next coming of Joe Montanna, but he looked pretty solid yesterday with the Dolphins. He is clearly better than Delhomme was that last year. So, Broncos fans, get used to Fox and get used to Tebow being buried on the bench.

  60. billsfan1 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:40 PM

    i have no idea if tim tebow will be a good starting NFL qb. i’d say probably not – most likely although id love to be wrong, but are you telling me that he cant help the team in some all purpose role ala Brad SMith or something along those lines?
    Off hand id say the broncos organization is the embarrassment of the league for the way they are handling him…again i am not a Tebow apologist but come on. you are the worst poker player ever…. stop pretending like you want him there and just cut ur losses. Let him go somewhere where a coach might not be afraid to be innovative with him. maybe it turns out that he is no use at all on the football field but Denver wouldnt know cuz he hasnt played. its a shame too because Denver was one of the better run organizations for many many years

  61. intensedvda says: Oct 3, 2011 1:41 PM

    I’m not a Tebow fan whatsoever, but I surely hope Coach Fox isn’t so stupid as to judge the man based on one play.

  62. iplaybad says: Oct 3, 2011 1:46 PM

    1. It’s important to distinguish between Bronco fans and Tebow fans. Most Bronco fans don’t want any part of Tebow because he is THE representation of the failed McDaniels administration. Most Bronco fans know that this is a rebuilding process with new schemes and ultimately new players. We have a few interesting pieces that we’ll continue to build around through the draft. This will take time (and hopefully Luck).

    2. The current coaching staff does not think that Tebow can play QB. They ran him out as a distraction at WR when they had no other options. They thought of a barely used “Tebow package” to highlight him as a H-Back type of player. IF the Broncos coaches did believe in Tebow, he would’ve been ahead of the other QBs on the team. From a PR standpoint that would be the easiest thing to do. Yet, they still defiantly keep him “second” (i.e. third) on the depth chart.
    This argument is moot because the current regime has already decided what they have in Tebow. You can call for Tebow all you’d like. He’s nothing more than a gimmick.

    3. The future Broncos starting QB (and likely his backup) is not on the current roster. In the upcoming draft and on other teams, look for the Broncos to take deep looks at Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, Nick Foles, Matt Flynn, Brian Hoyer, and possibly even Ryan Fitzpatrick.

  63. broncobeta says: Oct 3, 2011 1:47 PM

    redskinspike says:
    Oct 3, 2011 12:57 PM
    Broncos fans are so delusional. I don’t understand it. There’s no way Tebow is even close to being as good as Orton, and he’s “tied” with Brady Quinn for the backup role, because if John Fox put him at 3rd string there would be an uprising against this Broncos team! Broncos fans need a reality check.

    I feel really bad for Tebow. Denver should honestly just trade him to some other team. He brings too much negativity to the team, and it isn’t even his fault. He’s respectful and says all the right things about it to the press.
    —————————————

    I think you’re taking the wrong perspective with this. Bronco fans aren’t delusional.

    The point is that with Tebow should be the only quarterback on the roster with a future with Denver (Orton and Quinn are FAs after the season). Orton is leading this team the playoffs and he sure as hell doesn’t deserve a new contract. Why is he playing for $8.9 million just to suck it up?

    Denver fans want to see what Tebow can do, rather than to see what Orton can’t do.

  64. kwgator says: Oct 3, 2011 1:49 PM

    John Fox is horrible. I know Kyle Orton is the best practice player since Rudy was up at Notre Dame, but Orton folds like a deck chair during games.

    PLAY TIM TEBOW!!!!!

  65. Foresight2011 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:51 PM

    Kyle Orton is the least of the Bronco worries. Sometimes I wonder if fans actually watch the games before they comment on anything.

    L

    After being down 21-3, Orton led his team back to make it 21-17 game a little bit before halftime. Then his defense once again and right on cue gives up 2 touchdowns before Orton even hits the field again. Score 35-17. You go from a respectable game to getting blasted again. Then once Orton does get the ball back he again leads his team down the field for what seems like what is going to be a touchdown drive.

    BUT WAIT:

    His receiver catches ball and fumbles when they had momentum building. That takes at least 3 points off the board. GB then gets the ball and drive the ball down the field and makes the score 42-17. At that point ball game over. No team is coming back on GB when they have that kind of lead.

    END RESULT:

    Clueless fans blames Orton for losing the game and let the worst defense in football over the last 2 years get free pass. They then whine and complain about bring in Tebow.

  66. isphet71 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:54 PM

    The real Broncos plan:

    Step 1: continue to start Orton
    Step 2: ?
    Step 3: Draft Luck

    Insanity is continuing to do the same thing (play Orton) and expect different results.

    Ortons not bad, but the Broncos just aren’t good enough to have Orton as their QB. Should have traded the guy. His value drops every week.

  67. asublimeday says: Oct 3, 2011 1:55 PM

    The “Kyle Orton is our quarterback” Slogan is ironic, considering that was lovie’s slogan for keeping kyle on the bench for Rex from 2006-2008.

  68. myshkingfh says: Oct 3, 2011 1:55 PM

    “Can Broncos fans explain to me why they think Tebow is actually any good?”

    We don’t think he’s any good, but we KNOW Orton isn’t any good. So Orton gives us a better chance to win – are we winning? Tebow is probably bad, but you have to find out for sure by putting him on the field. Then, at the end of the season, you know which way you have to go. If you keep playing Orton, you prolong the controversy, you don’t learn anything about Tebow, and you lose anyway. Where’s the upside in that?

  69. 1donkeyfan says: Oct 3, 2011 2:00 PM

    The Draft can’t get here soon enough!!
    Please keep Orton in there so we can get Luck, and stop the insanity.
    (Bullet In Head)

  70. tatatoothy says: Oct 3, 2011 2:02 PM

    January 20th, 2012 – at the Pat Bowlen Press Conference announcing the firing of HorseFace Elway and John Fox:

    “We tried John (Mr. Ed) Elway and John Fox, and lost a ton of games. It didn’t prove to be beneficial so we’re going in a different direction…”

    How a guy gets a HC job right after literally destroying a franchise over the course of two years I’ll never know. And what business Baba-Booey’s father had in running the team is even more puzzling.

    Can the city of Denver fire Pat Bowlen?

  71. zoxitic says: Oct 3, 2011 2:03 PM

    Man, they hate this guy. Why don’t you just release him and let him go to a team that will let him play?

  72. snowpea84 says: Oct 3, 2011 2:06 PM

    I have nothing agaisnt Orton, but it is worth mentioning that this is a guy who took Delhomme as his QB for a number of years.

  73. cubano76 says: Oct 3, 2011 2:08 PM

    Hey Fox!

    I don’t need to know about you (or any man) trying Tebow’s package. You sick SOB!

  74. chlamydiachampaign says: Oct 3, 2011 2:08 PM

    tebow is a god! play tebow! free tebow! let tebow be tebow!

    OHMYFRIGGINGGAWDPLAYTHEMANFORFRACKSSAKE

  75. rdrs68 says: Oct 3, 2011 2:08 PM

    I’m not a Tebow fan whatsoever, but I surely hope Coach Fox isn’t so stupid as to judge the man based on one play.

    __________________________________

    uh I think Fox sees TBlow at practice everyday and has enough professional experience to not be as stupid as you are implying. Fox also has higher ups inthe organization to answer to and some of them may be calling the shots.

  76. slammincamnewton says: Oct 3, 2011 2:10 PM

    Two Words. Cam Newton. Actually not quite words but a name. Suck it Tebow enjoy Foxball Donkeys.

  77. omegalh says: Oct 3, 2011 2:10 PM

    They should cut or trade Tebow. You can’t have a 3rd stringer destroy chemistry on your team.

  78. acanniv says: Oct 3, 2011 2:12 PM

    Funny, I did watch the game. I looked at my friend as soon as they went down 21-3 and said “Now is when Orton plays well enough to make it seem like he should be the starter.” And he promptly has a flawless 2nd quarter (save the horribly underthrown ball on the flea flicker). See, thats the thing with Orton…he looks fine when there is no pressure. Don’t fool yourself, that game was over already. Orton always plays just well enough to lose by a little bit. Since the 6-0 start the Broncos have trailed by 3 or more at half 17 times with Orton and lost them all. All of them. Every. Single. One. But wait, they have won a game when trailing at half in the time span. Yep, the game Tebow started against Houston. So there’s that.

  79. abninf says: Oct 3, 2011 2:14 PM

    He can do no wrong
    He’s even got his own theme song
    He’s a Superman and a real nice guy
    The boy next door with a bullet-proof smile
    Double threat, he can run or throw
    Whooaaa Whooooaaaa Tim Tebow

    He looks like a rockstar
    Acts like a gent
    He even got a letter from the President
    He’s easy to follow
    Sink or Swim
    Even Chuck Norris gets a kick out of him

  80. 2sausage11 says: Oct 3, 2011 2:15 PM

    CKL says:
    Oct 3, 2011 1:27 PM
    ourbaskets says: Oct 3, 2011 12:59 PM

    As others have said – Foxy is a veteran’s coach.
    ____________________________________
    I’m not picking on you in particular here because I see this criticism of him all the time, but I think that’s a little unfair only because it implies that if a rookie is actually BETTER he will still play the vet who isn’t as good. Now that would just be stupid because coaches want to win because winning keeps them employed. What he is is CONSERVATIVE (as most defensive minded coaches are on offense especially)and that means that until he’s CONVINCED the rookie is better, the vet who has proven to be coachable and does what’s expected of him within his system will start. More TALENT does not =BETTER player for the team. He’s started rookies before like Gamble, Beason, etc. And Gamble started the following year after they went to the SB so it isn’t like he had a weak team with no success and nothing to lose.

    ===============================
    Fox knows D players and will play a talent. O not so much look at all the WR that went to the Panthers and never amounted to anything. Same with QBs

  81. Broncofanatic7 says: Oct 3, 2011 2:18 PM

    @foresight2011
    Did you watch the game?
    You make it sound like Orton play one hell of a game and was the only good thing.
    I don’t know… maybe you missed his 3 picks, and poorly under thrown balls.
    I have been a Denver Broncos fan my whole life and I haven’t seen so many excuses made for one man.
    I’m not sitting here saying that QB is our biggest concern, because that’s obviously the Defense. We can’t win when we let them score 49 points. But Orton did nothing to help.
    We just want to see what we have in Tebow, because it’s pretty apparent to any knowledgable football fan that Kyle Orton isn’t taking ANY team ANYwhere.

  82. rando74 says: Oct 3, 2011 2:19 PM

    Look, my team has a ton of problems and Kyle Orton is the least of them. Go ahead and put in Tebow and see what happens. The Broncos lost to the Raiders by a 63 yd field goal. I’m sure Tebow would have went out and kicked one for 64. And they lost to Tensessee because they couldnt punch it in on 4th and 1. I guess Orton should have lined up at fullback because surely Tebow would have made a difference with his handoff to McGahee. Then they’re down 24-17 and his revceiveer fumbles at the one yd line. I can only imagine that Tebow should have just thrown it to himself and scored. Kyle Orton may not be the answer, and he’s probabaly gone after this year, but he’s not the problem either. All you people who are crying for Tebow are jsut crying for change and you know nothing about football. Tebow doesnt play defense or special teams and that is Denvers problem! They have offensive weapons and theyre hanging tight in games until the D forgets they have to cover people. Its not Ortons fault he’s down by 14 and never even gets off the sidelines. If you know anything about football you will stop clamoring for Tebow and see that he cant save us.

  83. jjbadd says: Oct 3, 2011 2:22 PM

    Foresight2011 says: Oct 3, 2011 1:51 PM

    Kyle Orton is the least of the Bronco worries. Sometimes I wonder if fans actually watch the games before they comment on anything.

    I watch what I can, being on the east coast & a Bronco fan is difficult, but I don’t disagree with you totally. Denver’s 2ndary is as old as Fox’s skidmarked underwear, and the O line is only good about 30% of the time. Orton is only part of the problem, but a problem none the less! I am so frustrated posting my opinion everytime this discussion comes up, but 1 more time I will say it. Everyone that is asking for Tebow don’t exactly think he is gonna save the team, they are just sure Orton sucks! And that leaves Quinn or Tebow, & Quinn had a few chances in Cleveland & blew it,so that leaves but 1 QB, that should get a chance. To hello with “his throwing motion this” & “his ARM ain’t strong that” , he started 3 games last year and won 2. But seriously, another problem is Denver’s aging 2ndary, they just too old. But being from Carolina, I know none of this matters, because the teams coach has no emotion, no desire, or hunger to win! But u r right, Orton is on a long list of problems for the Broncos!

  84. tjacks7 says: Oct 3, 2011 2:22 PM

    Does this clown toss out every play that doesn’t go for positive yardage after one attempt? Geez louise talk about the worst logic of all time.

  85. hendeeze says: Oct 3, 2011 2:23 PM

    damnsureis says:
    Oct 3, 2011 1:35 PM
    “We tried Tom Brady when Bledsoe got hurt but he threw an incomplete pass.”

    LOL @ trying to draw analogies to Brady and Bledsoe with Orton and Tebow

  86. anhdazman says: Oct 3, 2011 2:26 PM

    Broncos fans are delusional if they think Tebow is their future.
    You can pretty much say Broncos fans are delusional if they think Orton is their QB right now.
    Damn if you do, damn if you don’t scenario.

  87. scudbot says: Oct 3, 2011 2:35 PM

    “Tebow is probably bad, but you have to find out for sure by putting him on the field.” Tebow’s not playing because Elway and Fox have watched him in practice and they don’t think he’s ready. They probably have more information about it than you do.

  88. natigator says: Oct 3, 2011 2:35 PM

    If anything this entire situation would seem to be caused by a team President with zero experience in his role, and a new coach who is far more suited to work with a veteran team than a rebuilding one in the beginning of a youth movement.

    At the end of the day Tebow is an unknown commodity. Certainly more than one expert has criticized his ability to be an NFL caliber quarterback so there is obviously a good deal of skeptism. He has been evaluated by a number of people who do this for a living and they have not graded him favorably.

    BUT – no one knows for certain what the Broncos have. I think we all agree whatever potential he does have is being squandered on the bench. By dragging this situation out it is becoming more & more of a distraction and probably turning teammates and some fans against him.

    Denver is not a good team this year. They are quite a ways away from realistically competing for the playoffs. So why stick with a subpar veteran QB who wont be around when they are ready to compete? Throw Tebow (or Quinn) out there and see what you have. That will make the decision to draft Luck/Barkley/whomever much easier to make. If Tebow/Quinn fail horribly, everyone will have their prove that these guys are NFL caliber and the case can be closed

  89. realitypolice says: Oct 3, 2011 2:37 PM

    This is what John Fox would say if he were allowed to tell the truth in press conferences:

    “Listen, I don’t know what McDaniels and his crew thought they saw in this guy, but it’s clear to us that he can’t play, and the only reason we didn’t cut him is because the owner told us we spent too much to get him to give up this soon.”

  90. Lev says: Oct 3, 2011 2:37 PM

    Carolina fan here….We tried the John Fox
    package and lost 7 years!!

  91. fjdk4444 says: Oct 3, 2011 2:39 PM

    What does Tim Tebow and Dolly Parton have in common?????

    Bust.

  92. jagwar73 says: Oct 3, 2011 2:39 PM

    At least you tried coach (and Tebow got his opportunity). I admire your resolve coach Fox.

  93. tfbuckfutter says: Oct 3, 2011 2:41 PM

    Apparently if John Fox had invented the Draw play it would only have been run once.

  94. nesuperfan says: Oct 3, 2011 2:43 PM

    When hearing about Tim Tebow’s package, Rex Ryan commented: “At least I only like feet”.

  95. thejabronisayz says: Oct 3, 2011 2:45 PM

    That’s the dumbest logic I’ve ever heard.

    “Well, we tried Peyton Manning for one season and won 3 games.”

  96. z0inks says: Oct 3, 2011 2:47 PM

    Future or not….it’s ridiculous to give him one snap.

    I mean, it would be one thing if it was a short yardage or goal-line situation…give him a shot at punching it in. If it doesn’t work, go to something else.

    But it happened when the Broncos had 1st & 10 on their own 27, on a drive that started at their own 13. Why the hell would you send Tebow on the field for one play…and a called QB run, at that? In what world does that decision make sense?

    I’m not pro- or anti-Tebow; in fact, I could care less what Denver does about their QB situation.

    But no matter how you feel about Tebow as a player, this was just a dumb move by Fox. And with the heat he’s already under, this only fanned the flames even hotter.

  97. cliffordc05 says: Oct 3, 2011 2:58 PM

    Isn’t there some church league in Denver for Tim to display his skills?

  98. Broncofanatic7 says: Oct 3, 2011 3:00 PM

    @rando74
    Orton isn’t our only problem, but he’s also not a strength. So why hang on to him?
    No tebow can’t kick, and isn’t a reciever. But the 4 plays from the goal line against the titans? Yeah I’m pretty sure he would have punched it in, because that’s probably his biggest strength.
    He throws a good deep ball, extends the play and has some upside. Orton is ordinary, and he’s shown what he’s capable of already in his 7 years. Enough said. Let’s at least see what Tebow can do. Yes we need defense, and an O-line. But we also need a QB and Orton is not a long term solution.

  99. hoopshort says: Oct 3, 2011 3:11 PM

    John Fox is seasoned enough not to allow fans to influence his coaching the way he thinks this team should be run. He is playing the players he thinks will get him the best results. Calm down Denver fans.

  100. thespeaker08 says: Oct 3, 2011 3:30 PM

    Jerry Richardson: “We tried the John Fox package and lost a lot of games.”

  101. ahs2 says: Oct 3, 2011 3:36 PM

    Amazing how anyone could think it’s stubbornness or a conspiracy to keep the man down…HE’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!

  102. jaypace says: Oct 3, 2011 3:43 PM

    Any body that watched tebow play last year saw promise. A team that was dead seemed to have life pumped into them. His passing numbers were actually good for a rookie, there is no disputing that. The people on here that say he can’t pass just listen to talking heads on espn. This team is going nowhere fast. It’s time to play him, I say two more weeks of this orton fiasco should be enough time to prepare him.

  103. broncobeta says: Oct 3, 2011 3:52 PM

    Foresight2011 says:

    END RESULT:

    Clueless fans blames Orton for losing the game and let the worst defense in football over the last 2 years get free pass. They then whine and complain about bring in Tebow.

    ————————————

    Yeah, that caused Orton’s 3 INTs.

    That also caused Orton to literally drop the ball all by himself in the Redzone in a 3 point game against the Raiders on Monday night.

    That also caused Orton to throw two pick sixes to Derrick Johnson in a game where the playoffs were on the line.

    No one is saying Tebow is obviously better than Orton (at least they shouldn’t be). Everyone is saying that they’re sick of Orton and they’d rather even see Tebow suck it up to see what he has, than to see Orton fail again and again.

  104. Foresight2011 says: Oct 3, 2011 3:54 PM

    @foresight2011
    Did you watch the game?
    You make it sound like Orton play one hell of a game and was the only good thing.
    I don’t know… maybe you missed his 3 picks, and poorly under thrown balls.
    I have been a Denver Broncos fan my whole life and I haven’t seen so many excuses made for one man.
    I’m not sitting here saying that QB is our biggest concern, because that’s obviously the Defense. We can’t win when we let them score 49 points. But Orton did nothing to help.
    We just want to see what we have in Tebow, because it’s pretty apparent to any knowledgable football fan that Kyle Orton isn’t taking ANY team ANYwhere.

    —————————————

    I never said he played one hell of a game, but I stand correct on that he is nowhere near the biggest worry. He did had the pick 6 that led to the game getting out of hand in the beginning, but to his credit he played a major role in bringing the team back to make it a game when the score was 21-17. The last 2 picks he threw came when the game was already lost at 42-17. The were garbage time interceptions.

    The way you feel about people making excuses for Orton is the same way I feel about how Broncos fans have made excuses for the Broncos defense for the last 3 years. When they give up touchdowns on 3 straight possession, 2 of which happened at the end of the half and the beginning of the 2nd before the offense even takes the field, I would point to that being the major reason my team lost not the QB.

    Orton may not be the guy to take the Broncos to the place they need to go, but let’s face it the Broncos are going no where if their defense continues to be this bad. Tebow playing will not help the pass and run defense.

  105. gt40bear says: Oct 3, 2011 4:12 PM

    John Elway = Matt Millen. Good Luck Denver fans!

  106. rushmatic says: Oct 3, 2011 4:19 PM

    The Donks under-utilize Tebow’s package as little as Tebow uses his own package.

  107. fergenator says: Oct 3, 2011 4:21 PM

    Why the Donkeys ever hired this guy Fox is beyond me….Even if he had an unknown Tom Brady or Manning…Fox would still trot out that loser Orton. You see….Fox himself has forgotten what a winner looks like! What was his record last year?

  108. r8rsfan says: Oct 3, 2011 4:23 PM

    Nobody wins with this situation except Denver’s opponents. And a quality coach would find a way to maximize the things Tebow CAN do. Say what you may, although he may not be a viable NFL QB, the kid is a football player and could be contributing in some way. Seems idiotic to get no return at all on their investment.

  109. Derty Ernie says: Oct 3, 2011 4:32 PM

    What the heck was that with Tebow on the sidelines not playing the entire game but he had his helmet on and his mouthpiece ready as if to say, ‘hey don’t blaim me for this loss I was ready to go out there but the coachses chose not to play me’.

    This whole Tebow thing is destroying Denver. I think the fact that Mr Tebow is religeous has fueled a lot of this and the religeous fanantics that see him as there football savior are behind the billboards and the catcalls.

    I actually thought that Orton played pretty well considering who they were playing.

    If they would have started tebow the game would have had to be stopped at the 100 to zero point.

  110. pigskinswag says: Oct 3, 2011 4:35 PM

    “We tried the Tebow package once”

    Thats what she said.

  111. 2sausage11 says: Oct 3, 2011 5:11 PM

    They don’t play Tebow hoping that some team will take him off their hands. If they play him and he suks they are stuck with him

  112. elliotlc says: Oct 3, 2011 7:22 PM

    Ignorant old coach. 2-18 in his last 20 starts pretty much like the guy we just fired.

  113. TheWizard says: Oct 3, 2011 8:19 PM

    TeBlow has no arm for NFL competition, he’s a fine guy but can not play to the NFL level sorry dude, you just don’t have it

    Yeah, heard he sucks in practice too.

    If Orton was worth a $hit nobody would be talking about Tebow right now.

    Guess he don’t have it either. Dude.

  114. rollerino1 says: Oct 3, 2011 9:28 PM

    I HOPE Tebow is just being PC when he says he trusts either one of the John’s. If his agent is worth a damn, he is on the phone as of training camp trying to figure out where Tebow IS wanted next season. Elway is already starting to run this organization like a “Buy here, Pay here” used car lot. Good luck with these dudes.

  115. lance19 says: Oct 4, 2011 2:19 AM

    As a Charger fan, desperate for an
    easy win and a 4-1 record,

    I just thank Bronco management that
    “Orton or Tebow” is a serious debate…

    (not sure the Chargers wanna face a
    REAL NFL quarterback before they have to)

  116. lance19 says: Oct 4, 2011 2:24 AM

    “We tried the Tebow package once”

    Thats what she…

    was GOING to say, but sorry ladies,
    Timmy’s savin’ it for wedding night.

  117. broncfolife says: Oct 4, 2011 8:30 AM

    Comment 115 –
    No one cares enough about Tebow to read 115 comments about him. If your reading mine, you jumped to the bottom of the page. Probably scrolling to see if anyone commented on your cries. News flash… He’s not good. He had more then one play to prove it. What the heck do all you see? Don’t say…lets just give him a chance. He’s a player in the NFL,
    not Philippines pee-wee.
    Prove yourself in camp like everyone else.
    FYI…
    Orton might need others to help us win…
    if not, we’d be called the Colts.

  118. trumpetjazz75 says: Oct 4, 2011 9:17 PM

    Tebow is not ready. Plain and simple. He should just sit back, learn, and get paid.

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