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		<title>By: truthserum4u</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/03/week-four-monday-10-pack-2/#comment-1305611</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Going in a different direction here because I get tired of incorrect information being thrown around.

During overtime of the first round of the 2009 playoffs, referee Scott Green was so focused on the question of whether Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers‘ arm was moving forward on a fumble that resulted in the game-winning touchdown for the Cardinals that Green didn’t notice a blatant pull of the face mask of Rodgers’ helmet.


At no point was Rodgers&#039; facemask pulled, tugged or twisted, which needs to happen in order for it to be a penalty.  The defender&#039;s fingers bumped the mask down some.  Can&#039;t even say how much it caused Rodgers&#039; helemt to go down since he started looking down to find the ball at the same time.  The league came out afterwards and stated it was NOT a facemask!  

Stop with this already, we had our fill of it two years ago.  This point of view was wrong then and is wrong now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going in a different direction here because I get tired of incorrect information being thrown around.</p>
<p>During overtime of the first round of the 2009 playoffs, referee Scott Green was so focused on the question of whether Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers‘ arm was moving forward on a fumble that resulted in the game-winning touchdown for the Cardinals that Green didn’t notice a blatant pull of the face mask of Rodgers’ helmet.</p>
<p>At no point was Rodgers&#8217; facemask pulled, tugged or twisted, which needs to happen in order for it to be a penalty.  The defender&#8217;s fingers bumped the mask down some.  Can&#8217;t even say how much it caused Rodgers&#8217; helemt to go down since he started looking down to find the ball at the same time.  The league came out afterwards and stated it was NOT a facemask!  </p>
<p>Stop with this already, we had our fill of it two years ago.  This point of view was wrong then and is wrong now.</p>
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		<title>By: dreno322</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can call the Bengals inferior but their defense might punch you in the face! Y&#039;all keep talkin&#039; Romo, Vick, and the rest of your weekly bla bla bla! There are some under the radar teams that will get there love when it counts! For now, I&#039;ll just say Bengals Defense is #1 BABY! (in the mu$%^&amp;%$ fu%^%...league!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can call the Bengals inferior but their defense might punch you in the face! Y&#8217;all keep talkin&#8217; Romo, Vick, and the rest of your weekly bla bla bla! There are some under the radar teams that will get there love when it counts! For now, I&#8217;ll just say Bengals Defense is #1 BABY! (in the mu$%^&amp;%$ fu%^%&#8230;league!</p>
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		<title>By: ktravp</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 00:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, the journalistic lemmings are repeating each other and the false mantra of Bengals being an &quot;inferior&quot; team.   @palewook and @CKL have it right, the Bengals defense is #1 in the NFL and play very physical up front.  Our front 4 were in Buffalo&#039;s backfield all day yesterday.   Our special teams won the battle of field position and our offense really came alive in the 2nd half.

I&#039;m getting tired of analysts who are attributing the Bengals win over the Bills to one &quot;bad call&quot; for Steve Johnson&#039;s reception or saying the Bills are not quite as good as they thought.  The Bills fought hard yesterday and have a great offense, but they were beaten all day by a superior defense.   In the 2nd half the Bills run defense was getting pummeled by our offensive line and we established the run and started connecting downfield on passes.

If you disagree, you must have been watching a different game than me.   Bengals had 25 first downs and were 41% on 3rd down conversions.   Bills had 12 first downs and were a measly 28% on 3rd down conversions.   Bills could barely get past the 50 yard line the entire game.   We had 458 total yards, they had only 273.

Last week, everyone was singing the praises of the Bills and their come-from-behind win over the Patriots.  Now that the Bills played a top tier defense, many of these football &quot;experts&quot; are needlessly changing their opinion of Buffalo just so they can cling to their bias against the Bengals.

Who Dey!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, the journalistic lemmings are repeating each other and the false mantra of Bengals being an &#8220;inferior&#8221; team.   @palewook and @CKL have it right, the Bengals defense is #1 in the NFL and play very physical up front.  Our front 4 were in Buffalo&#8217;s backfield all day yesterday.   Our special teams won the battle of field position and our offense really came alive in the 2nd half.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting tired of analysts who are attributing the Bengals win over the Bills to one &#8220;bad call&#8221; for Steve Johnson&#8217;s reception or saying the Bills are not quite as good as they thought.  The Bills fought hard yesterday and have a great offense, but they were beaten all day by a superior defense.   In the 2nd half the Bills run defense was getting pummeled by our offensive line and we established the run and started connecting downfield on passes.</p>
<p>If you disagree, you must have been watching a different game than me.   Bengals had 25 first downs and were 41% on 3rd down conversions.   Bills had 12 first downs and were a measly 28% on 3rd down conversions.   Bills could barely get past the 50 yard line the entire game.   We had 458 total yards, they had only 273.</p>
<p>Last week, everyone was singing the praises of the Bills and their come-from-behind win over the Patriots.  Now that the Bills played a top tier defense, many of these football &#8220;experts&#8221; are needlessly changing their opinion of Buffalo just so they can cling to their bias against the Bengals.</p>
<p>Who Dey!!</p>
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		<title>By: diehardcard</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 23:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and let&#039;s not forget the fact that Patrick Peterson was the closest Cardinal to Cruz when he went down. Another rookie that forgot that Cruz wasn&#039;t down yet. Kerry Rhodes (a veteran) IMMEDIATELY tackled Cruz AS HE WAS GETTING UP. His knee was still on the ground when Rhodes hit him. Watch the replay. Cruz fell and then started to get up ALL IN THE SAME MOTION. He never stopped. This was clearly a rookie mistake and it should have cost the Giants the game. Arguing otherwise is dishonest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and let&#8217;s not forget the fact that Patrick Peterson was the closest Cardinal to Cruz when he went down. Another rookie that forgot that Cruz wasn&#8217;t down yet. Kerry Rhodes (a veteran) IMMEDIATELY tackled Cruz AS HE WAS GETTING UP. His knee was still on the ground when Rhodes hit him. Watch the replay. Cruz fell and then started to get up ALL IN THE SAME MOTION. He never stopped. This was clearly a rookie mistake and it should have cost the Giants the game. Arguing otherwise is dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: ezwriter69</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dead wrong on the Cruz call... however you &quot;declare yourself down&quot;, you&#039;re not down until the ref confirms and acknowledges it. Curl into a ball, take a knee and stay there, or flop like a wuss like Cruz did, but you&#039;re still not down until the ref says so, which he didn&#039;t... horrible call.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead wrong on the Cruz call&#8230; however you &#8220;declare yourself down&#8221;, you&#8217;re not down until the ref confirms and acknowledges it. Curl into a ball, take a knee and stay there, or flop like a wuss like Cruz did, but you&#8217;re still not down until the ref says so, which he didn&#8217;t&#8230; horrible call.</p>
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		<title>By: diehardcard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[diehardcard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 20:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You won&#039;t post my first comment because you know I&#039;m right. Cruz is a rook and thought he was down because his knee hit. He didn&#039;t have some deep fundamental understanding of the NFL rulebook. He had a rookie brainfart and the ref bailed him out. Cut and dry. Just admit it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You won&#8217;t post my first comment because you know I&#8217;m right. Cruz is a rook and thought he was down because his knee hit. He didn&#8217;t have some deep fundamental understanding of the NFL rulebook. He had a rookie brainfart and the ref bailed him out. Cut and dry. Just admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: halftermguv</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 20:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ngata&#039;s hit on Sanchez was spearing pure and simple and should have been a personal foul.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ngata&#8217;s hit on Sanchez was spearing pure and simple and should have been a personal foul.</p>
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		<title>By: palewook</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol comment 3 removed for mentioning the bengals have the #1 d in the nfl. nice site. got an agenda?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol comment 3 removed for mentioning the bengals have the #1 d in the nfl. nice site. got an agenda?</p>
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		<title>By: palewook</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#1 d in the nfl, yup thats inferior. censor this for the 3rd time mike, makes this none the less truthful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 d in the nfl, yup thats inferior. censor this for the 3rd time mike, makes this none the less truthful.</p>
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		<title>By: CKL</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;9.  Bengals end a long streak of Buffalo futility.


What could be more fitting in this crazy, upside-down season than the Bills beating the Pats for the first time in 16 tries than the Bills then losing to an inferior team that had previously lost 10 straight to Buffalo?&quot;
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I&#039;m a Pats fan but this was one of the 1 pm games I watched while waiting for my team&#039;s game to air and I don&#039;t agree that Cincy is an inferior team. Buffalo has a hellafied offense and Cincy&#039;s defense kept them in check. I am jealous not only of the Cincy defense  but also their tackling ability. I&#039;m a defensive fan at heart and having an average to below average D and run game is what has kept my team from winning a SB since 2004. Cincy has a solid D, a nice run game and Dalton looks to be a gamer who doesn&#039;t get rattled after mistakes. They have a good future I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;9.  Bengals end a long streak of Buffalo futility.</p>
<p>What could be more fitting in this crazy, upside-down season than the Bills beating the Pats for the first time in 16 tries than the Bills then losing to an inferior team that had previously lost 10 straight to Buffalo?&#8221;<br />
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I&#8217;m a Pats fan but this was one of the 1 pm games I watched while waiting for my team&#8217;s game to air and I don&#8217;t agree that Cincy is an inferior team. Buffalo has a hellafied offense and Cincy&#8217;s defense kept them in check. I am jealous not only of the Cincy defense  but also their tackling ability. I&#8217;m a defensive fan at heart and having an average to below average D and run game is what has kept my team from winning a SB since 2004. Cincy has a solid D, a nice run game and Dalton looks to be a gamer who doesn&#8217;t get rattled after mistakes. They have a good future I think.</p>
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		<title>By: purpwalk</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Squander Ponder in ‘The Luck Tank’

Sacrifices have to be made, and we are rolling out our new Squander Ponder effort. Many of us thought Ponder was a reach when we drafted him, and now that we have him we need to try him out and see what he can do for us. But not on the field. Let’s put Ponder over a tank of water and let fans throw balls at a target to dunk him, we’ll call it ‘The Luck Tank’. All proceeds will go towards drafting Andrew Luck next April.

Tank you for participating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Squander Ponder in ‘The Luck Tank’</p>
<p>Sacrifices have to be made, and we are rolling out our new Squander Ponder effort. Many of us thought Ponder was a reach when we drafted him, and now that we have him we need to try him out and see what he can do for us. But not on the field. Let’s put Ponder over a tank of water and let fans throw balls at a target to dunk him, we’ll call it ‘The Luck Tank’. All proceeds will go towards drafting Andrew Luck next April.</p>
<p>Tank you for participating.</p>
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		<title>By: purpwalk</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Luck We Suck

In God We Trust is on our fiat US currency, and trust and faith is about all you get with a fiat dollar, but a new Vikings&#039; strategy can offer some real rope-a-dope hope for our future. We&#039;re going to need to lose a lot of games, though, to accomplish our goal, so let&#039;s focus on sucking the rest of the season to be assured of that first draft pick in 2012. This won&#039;t be too hard for us to do because we already really do suck. We just have to keep it going and make it look like we&#039;re really trying to win. Conspiracy theorists are convinced we started this plan long before the season began, and by the time the Vikings start to win again, with Luck, they&#039;ll be in their new stadium in L. A.

Spread the word, In Luck We Suck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Luck We Suck</p>
<p>In God We Trust is on our fiat US currency, and trust and faith is about all you get with a fiat dollar, but a new Vikings&#8217; strategy can offer some real rope-a-dope hope for our future. We&#8217;re going to need to lose a lot of games, though, to accomplish our goal, so let&#8217;s focus on sucking the rest of the season to be assured of that first draft pick in 2012. This won&#8217;t be too hard for us to do because we already really do suck. We just have to keep it going and make it look like we&#8217;re really trying to win. Conspiracy theorists are convinced we started this plan long before the season began, and by the time the Vikings start to win again, with Luck, they&#8217;ll be in their new stadium in L. A.</p>
<p>Spread the word, In Luck We Suck.</p>
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		<title>By: cusoman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hitdog042 says:
Oct 3, 2011 10:22 AM
cusoman..

The Bengals had the same off season as the Vikings.

Dalton is doing fine.

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Dalton is also learning on the job, which, if you&#039;ll read my entire comment, was covered by alluding to the fact that the only blame they can have for not giving some development for Ponder is by keeping McNabb in and not letting Ponder have his shots.

Frazier can definitely be blamed for that and I&#039;m not making any excuses for him there, because I&#039;m of the mind that Ponder needs as many snaps as possible this year so we know what we have in him before the draft as it&#039;s looking the Vikes will have a top 5 draft pick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hitdog042 says:<br />
Oct 3, 2011 10:22 AM<br />
cusoman..</p>
<p>The Bengals had the same off season as the Vikings.</p>
<p>Dalton is doing fine.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Dalton is also learning on the job, which, if you&#8217;ll read my entire comment, was covered by alluding to the fact that the only blame they can have for not giving some development for Ponder is by keeping McNabb in and not letting Ponder have his shots.</p>
<p>Frazier can definitely be blamed for that and I&#8217;m not making any excuses for him there, because I&#8217;m of the mind that Ponder needs as many snaps as possible this year so we know what we have in him before the draft as it&#8217;s looking the Vikes will have a top 5 draft pick.</p>
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		<title>By: axespray</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That Thanksgiving game is gonna be BIG time.

I know we&#039;ll represent well, the detriot fans will be pumped.

Been awhile since a Packer/Lion game has had this much on the line....

Reminds me of the Favre/Sanders days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Thanksgiving game is gonna be BIG time.</p>
<p>I know we&#8217;ll represent well, the detriot fans will be pumped.</p>
<p>Been awhile since a Packer/Lion game has had this much on the line&#8230;.</p>
<p>Reminds me of the Favre/Sanders days.</p>
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		<title>By: ampatsisahypocrite</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[11. Joe Flacco still stinks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>11. Joe Flacco still stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: stiffarm37</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two things:

- Instead of using replay for EVERYTHING as you seem to be in favor of, I think it&#039;s a better idea to go the other way. Eliminate replay altogether, except for maybe the final 2-5 minutes of the game, so there won&#039;t be a blown call to end and truly decide a game. No matter how much replay you use, there will always be the human factor involved. For instance, trying to determine roughing the passer from a slow-motion instant replay, which is the worst idea you have ever presented. It is still a judgement call, and it DOES open up a can of worms. The whole thing is getting ridiculous and more time is spent now splitting hairs instead of talking about the game. 

- Calvin Johnson is not the bigger, better Randy Moss. Stop it. He looks great, but let&#039;s not get carried away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things:</p>
<p>- Instead of using replay for EVERYTHING as you seem to be in favor of, I think it&#8217;s a better idea to go the other way. Eliminate replay altogether, except for maybe the final 2-5 minutes of the game, so there won&#8217;t be a blown call to end and truly decide a game. No matter how much replay you use, there will always be the human factor involved. For instance, trying to determine roughing the passer from a slow-motion instant replay, which is the worst idea you have ever presented. It is still a judgement call, and it DOES open up a can of worms. The whole thing is getting ridiculous and more time is spent now splitting hairs instead of talking about the game. </p>
<p>- Calvin Johnson is not the bigger, better Randy Moss. Stop it. He looks great, but let&#8217;s not get carried away.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;2.  Roughing the passer should be subject to replay review.&lt;/strong&gt;

Hate to be hypercritical of Carey, but he might not have called the play correctly even if he&#039;d had the opportunity to review it. During last year&#039;s Colts/Jags game, a flag was inadvertently thrown after a play. Carey announced there was no foul on the play--then ordered the teams to &lt;em&gt;replay the down&lt;/em&gt;. The man has been an NFL official for two decades. You do not replay the down when there&#039;s no foul on the play. And Ngata&#039;s helmet hit of Sanchez wasn&#039;t the only action Carey missed last night. He also missed Ed Reed roughing the kicker, which would have been an offsetting penalty to a holding call.

Carey isn&#039;t the only official screwing up on the field. Games are being decided by bad calls and,  the Red Zone review has only made matters worse by robbing coaches of their chance to challenge crucial plays. 

Just as you&#039;ve campaigned for a more intelligent method of Hall of Fame selection, you need to be lobbying for more effective methods of officiating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>2.  Roughing the passer should be subject to replay review.</strong></p>
<p>Hate to be hypercritical of Carey, but he might not have called the play correctly even if he&#8217;d had the opportunity to review it. During last year&#8217;s Colts/Jags game, a flag was inadvertently thrown after a play. Carey announced there was no foul on the play&#8211;then ordered the teams to <em>replay the down</em>. The man has been an NFL official for two decades. You do not replay the down when there&#8217;s no foul on the play. And Ngata&#8217;s helmet hit of Sanchez wasn&#8217;t the only action Carey missed last night. He also missed Ed Reed roughing the kicker, which would have been an offsetting penalty to a holding call.</p>
<p>Carey isn&#8217;t the only official screwing up on the field. Games are being decided by bad calls and,  the Red Zone review has only made matters worse by robbing coaches of their chance to challenge crucial plays. </p>
<p>Just as you&#8217;ve campaigned for a more intelligent method of Hall of Fame selection, you need to be lobbying for more effective methods of officiating.</p>
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		<title>By: jens1038</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did I read that right?

&quot;Calvin Johnson....better than Fred Biletnikoff, Cliff Branch, Tim Brown, and every other standout Raiders wideout combined.&quot;

That&#039;s the most stupid thing I&#039;ve ever heard. 

Cliff Branch - 3 Superbowls

Fred Biletnikoff - 1 Superbowl, HoF

Tim Brown - 9 straight 1000-yard seasons... and 100 touchdowns. (NFL record 10 consecutive seasons with at least 75 receptions)

Dave Casper (technically a TE, I know) (2 Superbowls, HoF)

Do your homework.... there was an NFL before you started writing about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I read that right?</p>
<p>&#8220;Calvin Johnson&#8230;.better than Fred Biletnikoff, Cliff Branch, Tim Brown, and every other standout Raiders wideout combined.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the most stupid thing I&#8217;ve ever heard. </p>
<p>Cliff Branch &#8211; 3 Superbowls</p>
<p>Fred Biletnikoff &#8211; 1 Superbowl, HoF</p>
<p>Tim Brown &#8211; 9 straight 1000-yard seasons&#8230; and 100 touchdowns. (NFL record 10 consecutive seasons with at least 75 receptions)</p>
<p>Dave Casper (technically a TE, I know) (2 Superbowls, HoF)</p>
<p>Do your homework&#8230;. there was an NFL before you started writing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: pigskinswag</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tony Romo is quite a talent. No other quarterback in the league can throw passes with both hands around his neck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony Romo is quite a talent. No other quarterback in the league can throw passes with both hands around his neck.</p>
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		<title>By: The Phantom Stranger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Phantom Stranger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jimmysee says: 
Oct 3, 2011 9:01 AM 
If the Vikings were to receive the top draft pick (thank you, Donovan) and select Andrew Luck, it would be actually another example of bad management in Minnesota — and another wasted first round draft pick from when the team selected Christian Ponder.

So what is Ponder, chopped liver?

Would they be so ready to toss the kid to the curb?

Aced out of a career by Donovan McNabb and a Vikings team who can’t develop a QB.

What a tragedy.

What a joke.
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So picking a quarterback in the first round is a wasted draft pick because there&#039;s a chance you might be so bad you could get the first pick in the draft the next year? Planning on having the worst record in the NFL is your idea of good management? The only tragedy and joke around here is you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jimmysee says:<br />
Oct 3, 2011 9:01 AM<br />
If the Vikings were to receive the top draft pick (thank you, Donovan) and select Andrew Luck, it would be actually another example of bad management in Minnesota — and another wasted first round draft pick from when the team selected Christian Ponder.</p>
<p>So what is Ponder, chopped liver?</p>
<p>Would they be so ready to toss the kid to the curb?</p>
<p>Aced out of a career by Donovan McNabb and a Vikings team who can’t develop a QB.</p>
<p>What a tragedy.</p>
<p>What a joke.<br />
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<p>So picking a quarterback in the first round is a wasted draft pick because there&#8217;s a chance you might be so bad you could get the first pick in the draft the next year? Planning on having the worst record in the NFL is your idea of good management? The only tragedy and joke around here is you.</p>
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		<title>By: nesuperfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[zn0rseman says:Oct 3, 2011 9:28 AM 

ALL penalties (both called and uncalled) should be reviewable and challengable.
__________________________________

And invite 15-hour Raiders games? I could picture this in ONE game, Oakland penalties: 132 for 1575 yards if you had refs reviewing every call.

You just can&#039;t be review on-field calls like that. The game would just take too long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zn0rseman says:Oct 3, 2011 9:28 AM </p>
<p>ALL penalties (both called and uncalled) should be reviewable and challengable.<br />
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<p>And invite 15-hour Raiders games? I could picture this in ONE game, Oakland penalties: 132 for 1575 yards if you had refs reviewing every call.</p>
<p>You just can&#8217;t be review on-field calls like that. The game would just take too long.</p>
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		<title>By: thingamajig</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Monday 10 Pack is getting to be nothing more than someone (MF) being able to get up on his soapbox and argue everything like an ex lawyer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Monday 10 Pack is getting to be nothing more than someone (MF) being able to get up on his soapbox and argue everything like an ex lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: psychoward</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear what you&#039;re saying about Harrison, but I thought from the very beginning that he was dealing witha n eye injury.  That&#039;s what it looked like when he was on one knee after the play.  On the other hand, Arain Foster unsnapped his chin strap, walked slowly to the sidelines while he was shaking his head, trying to clear the cobwebs.  Looked like a textbook concussion response to me, but he was back on the field two play later and finished the game.  At what point do we start to talk about infringing on the rights of the player to make their own decisions?  Retired O-lineman have major knee issues.   Most of them long, term.  Do we force a guy out of the league if he blows out a knee?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear what you&#8217;re saying about Harrison, but I thought from the very beginning that he was dealing witha n eye injury.  That&#8217;s what it looked like when he was on one knee after the play.  On the other hand, Arain Foster unsnapped his chin strap, walked slowly to the sidelines while he was shaking his head, trying to clear the cobwebs.  Looked like a textbook concussion response to me, but he was back on the field two play later and finished the game.  At what point do we start to talk about infringing on the rights of the player to make their own decisions?  Retired O-lineman have major knee issues.   Most of them long, term.  Do we force a guy out of the league if he blows out a knee?</p>
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		<title>By: supashug</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ngatas hit was awesome!]]></description>
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		<title>By: Pacific NW Mark</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too think Donovan&#039;s better playing days are behind him, but what&#039;s he supposed to do, tighten his chinstrap and go out and make tackles on defense? The fact the Vikes can&#039;t keep opponents from mounting second half, double-digit come-from-behind victories can&#039;t be laid solely at McNabb&#039;s feet. 

Someone on this team needs to play defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too think Donovan&#8217;s better playing days are behind him, but what&#8217;s he supposed to do, tighten his chinstrap and go out and make tackles on defense? The fact the Vikes can&#8217;t keep opponents from mounting second half, double-digit come-from-behind victories can&#8217;t be laid solely at McNabb&#8217;s feet. </p>
<p>Someone on this team needs to play defense.</p>
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		<title>By: rabidbillsfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another point. What was up with all the Official on Official over-ruling? If your going to tell me that 1.) There was enough eveidence for an official standing 12-15 yards away to overturn a catch,and 2.) that an offical can throw a flag for interference, and then have it over-ruled by a guy standing 8-12 yards away that can&#039;t see the majority of both the players involved, then you need to have a mental evaluation.There should be only be one person that overrules calls, and thats the head Ref, and the only thing that can allow him to do it is Instant replay. I know reviewing penalties is a sore subject, but Stevie J.s catch was questionable at worst. It shouldn&#039;t have been up to the Bills to challenge that call because of the initial ruling being overturned. This is where the NFL needs to step in and say, &quot;Listen, This is what is a catch and what isn&#039;t, initial calls stand, leave it up to the teams to decide on challenging or not. Last time I checked, Refs carried yellow flags, not red.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point. What was up with all the Official on Official over-ruling? If your going to tell me that 1.) There was enough eveidence for an official standing 12-15 yards away to overturn a catch,and 2.) that an offical can throw a flag for interference, and then have it over-ruled by a guy standing 8-12 yards away that can&#8217;t see the majority of both the players involved, then you need to have a mental evaluation.There should be only be one person that overrules calls, and thats the head Ref, and the only thing that can allow him to do it is Instant replay. I know reviewing penalties is a sore subject, but Stevie J.s catch was questionable at worst. It shouldn&#8217;t have been up to the Bills to challenge that call because of the initial ruling being overturned. This is where the NFL needs to step in and say, &#8220;Listen, This is what is a catch and what isn&#8217;t, initial calls stand, leave it up to the teams to decide on challenging or not. Last time I checked, Refs carried yellow flags, not red.</p>
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		<title>By: southpaw2k</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[11.  This is going to be a long, painful season for the Pittsburgh Steelers.]]></description>
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		<title>By: demons87</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#6  You say Calvin Johnson is the best WR without question.  

I have a few questions: 
Which receiver has almost twice as many yards and catches at Calvin Johnson.  
Which receiver has produced 29 first downs to Johnson&#039;s 24 catches?  
Which received only has 3 less TDs?

Wes Welker at 154 yards/game average is the answer.  

You would never consider a goal line running back to be the best in the league, especially if he had only 3 TD more than the a running back with twice as many yards.

Thinking Calvin Johnson is the best receiver is fine, but don&#039;t disregard Welker when you say he&#039;s the best without question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6  You say Calvin Johnson is the best WR without question.  </p>
<p>I have a few questions:<br />
Which receiver has almost twice as many yards and catches at Calvin Johnson.<br />
Which receiver has produced 29 first downs to Johnson&#8217;s 24 catches?<br />
Which received only has 3 less TDs?</p>
<p>Wes Welker at 154 yards/game average is the answer.  </p>
<p>You would never consider a goal line running back to be the best in the league, especially if he had only 3 TD more than the a running back with twice as many yards.</p>
<p>Thinking Calvin Johnson is the best receiver is fine, but don&#8217;t disregard Welker when you say he&#8217;s the best without question.</p>
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		<title>By: rabidbillsfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s something I thought about after watching many &quot;Tuck Rule&quot; style calls yesterday. What if the rule were to state, that the tuck rule only applies as long as the only thing contacted is the ball/arm of the QB by the defender. Which means if, like in Cincy, the QB is in the grasp of the defender and the ball comes out, regardless of arm motion, it should be a fumble. And the play that would actually call for the tuck rule to be enforced, would be the Reed fumble last night. Now their obviously needs to be tweaks and clarifications. Reed hit the ball well before Sanchez started his throwing motion, so that should still be ruled a fumble, but that was the best example of the weekend. And for the &quot;In the Grasp&quot; rule, they should include that the ball would have to make it to or near the line of scrimage for it to be ruled an incomplete pass. To me, that seems easier to call in real-time, and easier to evaluate on a replay. PFT let me know your thoughts! I&#039;m open to criticism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something I thought about after watching many &#8220;Tuck Rule&#8221; style calls yesterday. What if the rule were to state, that the tuck rule only applies as long as the only thing contacted is the ball/arm of the QB by the defender. Which means if, like in Cincy, the QB is in the grasp of the defender and the ball comes out, regardless of arm motion, it should be a fumble. And the play that would actually call for the tuck rule to be enforced, would be the Reed fumble last night. Now their obviously needs to be tweaks and clarifications. Reed hit the ball well before Sanchez started his throwing motion, so that should still be ruled a fumble, but that was the best example of the weekend. And for the &#8220;In the Grasp&#8221; rule, they should include that the ball would have to make it to or near the line of scrimage for it to be ruled an incomplete pass. To me, that seems easier to call in real-time, and easier to evaluate on a replay. PFT let me know your thoughts! I&#8217;m open to criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: contraryguy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[9. inferior team, perhaps ... but the Bengals had the better defense. PFT will need to get used to hearing that this year, strange as it may sound.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9. inferior team, perhaps &#8230; but the Bengals had the better defense. PFT will need to get used to hearing that this year, strange as it may sound.</p>
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