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Lions hype teetering out of control

Detroit Lions safety Louis Delmas enters the field during pre-game ceremony of their NFL football game against the Kansas City Chiefs in Detroit Reuters

Here’s something we haven’t been able to say in a long, long time: The Detroit Lions are overhyped.

This week’s Sports Illustrated features the Lions on the cover, and every major media outlet is devoting plenty of attention to the Lions, and that’s just fine: They’re 4-0 and finally playing good football after Matt Millen’s decade of incompetence, and Detroit fans have every reason to be excited.

But let’s get real: The Lions aren’t as good as the NFL’s other 4-0 team, the Packers. They’re just not. And they’re probably not as good as several 3-1 teams, including the Saints, Patriots, Ravens and Bills. The Lions have been celebrated so much for their big back-to-back second-half comebacks that a lot of people have forgotten that those big comebacks were necessitated by terrible play in the first halves of back-to-back games against the Vikings and Cowboys.

However, the Lions hype is only going to explode in the next week. The Lions are hosting Monday Night Football for the first time since ESPN acquired the Monday Night rights, and you just know the Worldwide Leader is going to go all-in on promoting the Lions. ESPN’s Jemele Hill is first in line on that front with her column trying to make the case that Ndamukong Suh was a better draft pick for the Lions than Barry Sanders.

“Suh already seems to have done something Sanders never could: He’s changed the Lions’ losing culture or, at least, been the most important catalyst in that change,” Hill writes.

Let’s not go overboard here. Suh hasn’t changed anything in Detroit yet. He had a great rookie year, but the Lions’ 6-10 season didn’t exactly change the losing culture. And through four games this year he hasn’t had the same impact he had as a rookie. Let’s wait until he has played more than 20 games in his NFL career — and until the Lions have won more than half of those games — before we start comparing him to an all-time great player like Sanders.

And let’s not forget that Sanders did plenty to change the Lions’ losing culture. The 1988 Detroit Lions had one of the worst offenses in NFL history (one statistical analysis rated it the second worst ever, ahead of only the 1970 Boston Patriots), and Sanders stepped into that offense as a rookie in 1989 and became an all-pro. By Sanders’ third season, 1991, the Lions were in the NFC Championship Game. Since their 1957 championship the Lions have made the postseason a whopping nine times, and five of those, including the only time they ever won in the postseason, were during Sanders’ 10-year career.

Could the Lions be building something that exceeds what Sanders’ Lions of the 1990s accomplished? Maybe. But “maybe” is a long way from actually doing it.

The Lions should be proud of what they’ve done this season, and Lions fans should be excited about their talented team, but as the hype grows out of control this week (and as it inevitably extends into talk that a good football team can somehow rebuild a beleaguered city), let’s remember that they haven’t won anything yet. And even if they beat the Bears on Monday night, that just means they’re the second-best team in the NFC North.

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  1. jacunn2000 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:35 PM

    I disagree. The Pack and the Lions have not played each other, so how the hell do you know???

  2. oren120 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:35 PM

    Seriously? The Bills are better than the Lions?

    I’d take that bet any day of the week.

  3. bigwhitey says: Oct 4, 2011 5:36 PM

    Didn’t you put them third in this weeks power rankings? This is a damn good football team, and i’m a Bears fan.

  4. coolhand5930 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:36 PM

    I didn’t read your article, but I’m assuming you just confirmed that the Lions are indeed, without a doubt, and without any kind of hyperbole, the great accumulation of athletes on an athletic squad to perform in sports.

  5. cakemixa says: Oct 4, 2011 5:36 PM

    Lol, what a hater this guy is, to take the time to write such a long article putting down the Lions…. and I’m not even a Lions fan or someone buying into the hype.

  6. redwinglion says: Oct 4, 2011 5:36 PM

    As a Lions fan, I agree with most of what you posted except for the part about the Bills being better.

    Buffalo just lost to Cincinnati. I don’t see how, under any circumstances, that makes them better than an undefeated Lions team.

  7. xx4zu1 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:36 PM

    Thank You this is exactly what I was telling the Lions fans after the Cowboys loss. If Romo hadn’t given them the game the wouldn’t have won it. Glad someone at PFT has some common sense.

  8. ipeefreelyagain says: Oct 4, 2011 5:37 PM

    as Pauly-D would say – lesbianest, they are overhyped.

    They beat winless teams and then the Cowboys beat themselves.

    They haven’t proved anything, but were ‘johnny on the spot.’ Lets see them play the Packers before jockeying for the Bill Parcells anointing oil.

  9. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 4, 2011 5:38 PM

    Don’t worry, assuming it doesn’t happen before then, the Lions will come crashing back to earth around week 10….

  10. everlong016 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:39 PM

    You mean to tell me that ESPN is shamelessly fueling a hype machine? No way!

  11. jimbobobjr says: Oct 4, 2011 5:39 PM

    They’ve been so bad for so long-let them enjoy it already!

  12. vbe2 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:40 PM

    What happens when they’re 4-12?

  13. nickmiller63 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:40 PM

    But you guys called the Lions an “elite team” the other day. I guess everyone needs to dial it back a bit.

  14. redwards29a says: Oct 4, 2011 5:40 PM

    Um. I beg to differ.

    The Lions were overhyped last year. What you haven’t been able to say in a long time is that the Lions are good.

  15. Patskrieg dot com says: Oct 4, 2011 5:41 PM

    One day I will raise my kids to believe that women are the equal of men, and deserve respect.

    Today, however, I would like to point out that only a female sports writer could write something so stupid. Barry Sanders uber alles.

  16. isphet71 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:41 PM

    The Lions: Media’s hyperbole subject. They are either the WORST TEAM EVAR or THE BEST TEAM EVAR. What ever happened to being just “pretty good” or “pretty bad”?

    I’m a long-suffering Lions fan, and I’m enjoying this year because the Lions are relevant. They aren’t as good as the Packers, though they have a shot at beating any team on any given week – and that is MUCH more than we are accustomed to.

  17. fofofotey says: Oct 4, 2011 5:42 PM

    Finally a Thanksgiving with me not asking “why the %$#$ do I have to watch the Lions every year?”

  18. realnflmaster says: Oct 4, 2011 5:43 PM

    umad bro?

  19. EJ says: Oct 4, 2011 5:43 PM

    And they’re probably not as good as several 3-1 teams, including the Saints, Patriots, Ravens and Bills.

    Go Bills!!!!

  20. skoobyfl says: Oct 4, 2011 5:43 PM

    The Bills are young & have a better all around team than the Lions, that’ll show up after the hype wears off.

    I’d plan on at least one road of the playoffs going through Buffalo, if not 2.

  21. goldrush4949 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:45 PM

    The Niners go to Ford Field in 2 weeks, baby.

  22. oxycode30 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:46 PM

    Reality will begin Tuesday after the Bears expose them as overhyped on Monday evening. Enjoy the next few days because the house of cards will come crashing down. They’re exactly 1 play away from an extended losing streak… when their fragile QB suffers his annual season-ending boo boo.

  23. imissnumber21 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:47 PM

    Says the guy that has them going 10-0 into their matchup against the packers.I would also definitely take them over the bills.

  24. explicithandlz says: Oct 4, 2011 5:48 PM

    These Lions are better than a Bills team, that lost to a horrible Bengals team. They’re also on par, if not better than the Patriots. They beat the Patriots in the pre-season, before you say “oh, who cares about the preseason”, these Lions thoroughly beat down on the Patriot STARTERS who played through two and a half quarters

  25. briguy5 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:48 PM

    So ESPN is going to hype the Lions the way NBC hypes Notre Dame? Got’cha.

  26. Knightlines says: Oct 4, 2011 5:49 PM

    Michael David Smith is obviously a hater, or bias reporter who is not watching the football games.

    I love when a team is 4-0 after being so horrible and you still bring the hate…it sounds like a pathetic soap box article.

  27. waxedagain says: Oct 4, 2011 5:50 PM

    It’s humorous to read this site complain about hype when that is usually what this site promotes: flavor of the day hype.

  28. vegasmaori says: Oct 4, 2011 5:51 PM

    We have to win at least one playoff game for me to think anything is significantly different. Simply being favorably compared to the Matt Millen era is nothing to write home about. Hopefully we win enough games to make the playoffs without needing to win in Green Bay, in week 17.

  29. zn0rseman says: Oct 4, 2011 5:52 PM

    I agree the Lions are a bit over-hyped, but I’m not sure how come you would be calling out the Lions instead of the perpetually over-hyped Giants. The Lions have beaten two tough teams, slaughtered a hapless Chiefs team, and won a hard-fought contest against a bitter division rival. Meanwhile people are talking Super Bowl for the Giants and all they’ve done is beat three teams that range in skill from bad to terrible, and then they lost to the very mediocre Redskins.

    Oh, and the Giants schedule gets even better… this week the play at home against Seattle.

  30. marjorine1 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:52 PM

    I agree with a lot of this, but the Bills? Brady had to go Romo for them to beat the Pats (which really makes the Pats and Cowboys games basically a wash) and then they go and lose to the Bengals. When the Lions lose to a team like that, let me know.

  31. redrifle14 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:52 PM

    NO way is the Bills more all around better then the Lions. My rookie QB, my rookie OC, & my rookie WR just torched your bills defense last week, so dont tell me they are better. LOL!

  32. kingokra says: Oct 4, 2011 5:53 PM

    There’s no doubt the Lions are good. As S.A. Smith would say…”Howeva…let’s see how they do against the Pack, Saints and other top-end teams before annointing them. They’re on the rise, just not sure they’re there yet.

  33. edukator4 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:54 PM

    the claiming that suh is a better pick than sanders is a microcosm of sports analysis these days. everyone, including the media seem to forget how good teams and players of yesteryear were. there is a constant annointing of everything current being the best ever.

  34. waxthat says: Oct 4, 2011 5:54 PM

    Dear Jamele Hill,

    C’mon woman!

    Suh was not a better draft pick than Barry Sanders. Give me an effing break.

    lolololol

  35. kingmj4891 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:54 PM

    MDS hates Detroit and has never written a positive article about the Lions.

    That being said the Lions are for real this year I am not saying Superbowl but the are gonna give the Packers a run for their money in the NFC North.

  36. bcar1023 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:55 PM

    LMAO… Bills better than Lions. Now that’s comedy.

  37. comeonnowguys says: Oct 4, 2011 5:56 PM

    The Minnesota and Dallas games seemed to fit the mold of typical games of either of those teams than they actually looked like Lions games. They needed overtime to beat the 0-4 Vikings.

    This sounds like trying to take away from the Lions, but it’s not. You play the games they line up for you, and if the other team gives the game away, you still have to be good enough to take it.
    Just have a little perspective, that’s all.

    It’s a long season, and their workhorse-NFL-best WR has an ankle problem already. Those well-documented concerns about the QB’s health lessen each week, but still linger. Running game is not the greatest.

    But obviously so far so good.

    Just don’t break anything jumping on the bandwagon, or you may re-break it falling off if something happens later this year.

    And Detroit better than Buffalo? No doubt. C’mon.

  38. seahawks4alltime says: Oct 4, 2011 5:57 PM

    Haven’t won anything yet?? They have won all of their regular season games. How’s that for not having won anything yet. If you mean they haven’t won a superbowl then say that. Otherwise, they could not have won more at this point in this regular season.

  39. rjguerra says: Oct 4, 2011 5:57 PM

    The Lions were overhyped when they were 2-0.

  40. joecool16280 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:57 PM

    She writes for shock value.

  41. danetow says: Oct 4, 2011 5:57 PM

    “The Bills are young & have a better all around team than the Lions, that’ll show up after the hype wears off. ”

    Haha rrriiiigggghhhhttt

  42. slammincamnewton says: Oct 4, 2011 5:58 PM

    Jemele Hill and the entire ESPN First Take show and people are a joke. I mean cmon, Kordell Stewart? Either everything on that show is racist or cynical.

  43. finfan87 says: Oct 4, 2011 5:58 PM

    Suh hasn’t changed the culture surrounding the Lions…Stafford remaining healthy is what has done that.

  44. commandercornpone says: Oct 4, 2011 6:00 PM

    hey, kc won a game… tampa has won 3. of course, dallas deux and minnehaha none.

    monday will tell a lot. it will be like the first post katrina game in the superdome. oops, the mercedes benz superdome…

    i think they will handle the bears. looking at the sked, i though detroit would be 6-6 then slide to 6-10. now…

    assuming they stay healthy…

    sf, atlanta, denver… they will get to 7-1. either sf or atlanta will get them. maybe even denver… they pummeled denver a few years ago… those kind of losses come back (like lion wins over st loo and kc will)…

    bears rematch, carolina, packers, saints… 9-3. expect saints and bears to take those games.

    minnie, oakland, sd, gb… 10-6. yes they will lose to minnie or oakland.

  45. bcar1023 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:01 PM

    Which part of the two pick sixes did Romo throw blocks to get Harris or Carpenter into the endzone? I must have missed the part where the Cowboys left the field and let them walk into the endzone. Maybe that was right before that smoke and mirrors play of Calvin beating triple coverage in the endzone. Y’all are right. The Lions are horrible and all those records they are shattering are completely due to some NFL plot to make them look good. Its not like they’ve won 8 straight regular season games. Its all just silly Lions luck.

    Keep making excuses girls. All I have to say is……. scoreboard!

  46. gosuhgo says: Oct 4, 2011 6:02 PM

    skoobyfl says: Oct 4, 2011 5:43 PM

    The Bills are young & have a better all around team than the Lions, that’ll show up after the hype wears off.

    I’d plan on at least one road of the playoffs going through Buffalo, if not 2.
    _______________________
    Alright, the Bills are good but..if you want to look at it from a young core players perspective, they cant touch the Calvin-Suh-Stafford dynamic.

  47. zbigern says: Oct 4, 2011 6:02 PM

    Writers write. I say its better bathroom reading material than the Mike Vick update hour. “Dont believe the hype its a sequel…as an equal can I get this thru to you” Chuck D said it…live it suckas. ANY midwest hype is better than constant East coast dick riding.

  48. mikeheruki says: Oct 4, 2011 6:02 PM

    Jemele Hill next in line of horrible employees in a diluted labor pool. Bad thing is, there is most likely no one above her that could teach her anything. Hello Tacoma!

  49. Chris says: Oct 4, 2011 6:03 PM

    Of course PFT would jump off the Lions bandwagon and start claiming they are over-hyped. The media loves underdogs and comeback stories of course they will see plenty of national coverage!

    You can give your opinion and say teams like the Ravens, Saints, Packers, Patriots, and Bills are “better” then the Lions, but in a league of parity like the NFL, at the end of the day the only thing that matters is the number in the W column.

    The Lions are finding ways to win and Detroit fans should be excited that their team is off to such a strong start!

    Not to mention that many of the teams you listed would kill to have a receiver core or defensive front 7 like the Lions.

  50. slammincamnewton says: Oct 4, 2011 6:03 PM

    Anything is better than Pittsburgh.

  51. daffy87 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:03 PM

    I agree that the Lions are not as good as Green Bay at this point. The other teams you listed however, I do feel that Detroit is on par or better than. And of your 3-1 teams why did you not list the Titans? They are quietly looking pretty solid, and even put a beating on the Ravens, a team who you seem to think is a powerhouse lol.

  52. thetigerreport says: Oct 4, 2011 6:05 PM

    Why do people forget that the Lions actually beat the Packers last year, and had a chance at doing it twice. Despite not having Stafford on the field.

    Not to mention that they actually outplayed Dallas and the Bears(twice) last season, but blown calls in all 3 games in the 4th quarter cost them the games.

    They are not a champion, until they are a champion. But they are 4-0, which makes them….4-0.

  53. realfootballfan says: Oct 4, 2011 6:05 PM

    When you can pass the ball, usually people go overboard in the praise (see recent Houston Texan teams, New Orleans Saints before 2009, and numerous other examples).

    The fact is that they’re an above average team with a very explosive offense. However, thumping the Chiefs and having to rally against the Vikings for 2 of your wins wouldn’t exactly put you in juggernaut land. Oh, and not to mention being thumped by the Cowboys 27-3 before Romo decided to do what Romo does doesn’t add to the cause either.

    Just ask the ’08 Bills how all of that worked out for them. Let that air out of your heads and stop reading your press clippings because the rest of that schedule isn’t going to be a cakewalk.

  54. silverdeer says: Oct 4, 2011 6:06 PM

    I have to agree somewhat with what MDS said. I also agree that the Lions are overhyped and I have been a Lions fan for over 40 years. However, that being said, I do disagree with his overall assessment of where the Lions fall in the league. The Lions are undefeated and have played three of four on the road and at that level anytime you can start out the season by winning one third of your road games you are doing something right. The Lions are working on something special. Maybe they make it, maybe they don’t, but it will be one heck of a ride to find out.

  55. dburgoyne says: Oct 4, 2011 6:07 PM

    I’m glad all of the hype is now on the Cowboys, Eagles, and Lions. You know the Packer players are taking care of their own business and enjoying the quiet…..but you can guarantee the Thanksgiving game is circled.

  56. cannonballdookie says: Oct 4, 2011 6:08 PM

    I agree, people act like you’re a drooling retard if you don’t think the Lions are the best team ever. Their season has been amazing so far, but they could have very easily lost their last two games if their opponents had a pulse. I think right now they are the third best team in the NFC under GB and NO, and that’s not bad at all considering where they were for the past decade.

  57. lionpride10 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:08 PM

    Really, the Bills? Sir you are the only reporter outside of Buffalo with that opinion. Everything I hear is about the overrated Bills and that the Lions are for real. Keep your moronic opinions to your blog no one reads.

  58. sikoix says: Oct 4, 2011 6:09 PM

    As a Viking fan (so, with that bias in mind) I see the Lions as an under-achieving 4-0 team, but do believe they have 12 win talent. As they get better as a team, I think we’ll start to see what the hype is about. I’m fairly confident they will beat the Packers at least once this season (who is way more hyped than Detroit, but still the team to beat for now)

  59. drunkenagitator says: Oct 4, 2011 6:09 PM

    Better than Barry Sanders??? Sigh. No pro sports league dismisses the stars of the past faster than the NFL does. Suh has been terrific in his first 20 NFL games, no argument here. But Sanders was a top five all-time RB and basically carried a bunch of mediocre Lions teams to respectability himself. Nonsense like this is why it’s tough to take most NFL chatter seriously, how asinine.

  60. teejay6 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:10 PM

    MDS after your article celebrating the beating the Lions took at the hands of the Boy’s last Sunday this article isn’t surprising. Whoops oh you were just a little premature with that one? Your already making excuses should they beat “happen” to get lucky and beat da bears. Undoubtedly the Lions will eventually find the place they deserve in the league at the end of the 16 game schedule. Lets just let it play it out. I understand the embarrassment you must feel at writing and publishing that little snippet just around half time on Sunday however can’t you just give the Lions (and their fans) a little respect for what their team has accomplished. What is it about the haters anyway that they feel the need to belittle successes experienced by a team that has been down and out far too long. Go Lions.

  61. clavette says: Oct 4, 2011 6:11 PM

    I stopped reading after you said the lions weren’t as good as the bills. The best defense the bills have faced are the bengals and look what happened.

  62. packfaninchitown says: Oct 4, 2011 6:12 PM

    But let’s get real: The Lions aren’t as good as the NFL’s other 4-0 team, the Packers. They’re just not.

    Perhaps but it’s still going to be one helluva good game!

    I hope both teams are undefeated going into Thanksgiving’s matchup.

  63. vikescry1 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:15 PM

    i’m a packers fan, i believe the lions have taken a huge step in the right direction, and are a very good team. however i also believe when they start playing the better teams they may struggle some, but it will only make them better in the long run. good luck to you lions, i want your best on turkey day, so bring it. after 0-16 how can you not be happy for them with the direction they’re heading.

  64. phuckyouall says: Oct 4, 2011 6:16 PM

    Now this is funny. This is pretty much what I was saying a few days ago…and I was totally shredded for it. From being called a bitter Cowboys fan, which I’m not or being accused of being a 2 year old. Which I am sure the guy who said that would have loved. He seemed like a sicko.

    Either way, nice to see the Lions get recognition. Let’s just not drink the kool-aid just yet.

  65. brianbowman16 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:17 PM

    redwinglion says:
    Oct 4, 2011 5:36 PM
    As a Lions fan, I agree with most of what you posted except for the part about the Bills being better.

    Buffalo just lost to Cincinnati. I don’t see how, under any circumstances, that makes them better than an undefeated Lions team.

    It is STRICTLY because they beat the Patriots (ya know, the team with the defense that had given up 1400 yards in the first 3 games)

    I agree the hype is getting insane, but the LEAST the nfl fans can do is indulge us for a little while after YEARS of hearing about the god**mned cowboys were the best of the best of the best even though they haven’t won sh*t with that ULTRA GOD qb of theirs. romo is one of the best but but he can’t win more than ONE playoff game? Now that i think of it, we are STILL being beaten over the head with the cowboys pr machine (known worldwide by their call letter ESPN) so if we are getting a little overzealous,

    DEAL WITH IT
    We’ve dealt with your sh*t for many many MANY years

    ps i think what the person who wrote the article SHOULD have said with is that Suh has given us an air of toughness and bad-assery that we haven’t had since Bobby Lane’s drunk ass was here.

  66. breakfastbarron says: Oct 4, 2011 6:18 PM

    But isn’t that the way of the sports media today? ESPN talking heads hype whatever team that’s hot during a particular week or two. One week they drool over Tony Romo and the Cowboys and how he’s maturing and the next week he hands the Lions a win just like the old Tony Romo. While the Lions are a good team, they’ll never survive having to come back from double digit deficits too many more times. A big plus for them though, is that there is 3 quarters of the season left and they can get much better. Matthew Stafford is the real deal.

  67. sromgrom says: Oct 4, 2011 6:20 PM

    This is why I’m glad my Bills lost to Cincy… right up until that game ESPN was hyping them non-stop, with a circus of interviews that franchise hasn’t seen since Doug Flutie was in town…

    Buffalo teams never do good with hype or being the favorites… Now that they got a shot of humble pie (and it took Cincy 60 mins to beat em to those of you are trying to act like they lost to Cincy in embarrassing fashion, they didn’t) they will be able to bounce back and play loose this weekend.

    Lions are going to be do for the same thing, and it may even be sooner than later… Bears can play D…. They will feel little to no pressure compared to the hype machine that is the Lions on MNF…

  68. scratchnpost1234 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:20 PM

    The media are the ones doing all the hyping. Jim Schwartz and the Lions players have their feet firmly on the ground. I agree there are some fans getting carried away, but for the most part, after years of futility the fans are taking things as they come and taking it one game at a time. I don’t agree on the Bills being a better team either. Also what was the last team to beat GB using their 3rd string QB, 3rd string RB and starting DE out? I’m taking nothing away from GB, they are a great team and Rodgers is onfire. They are the standard the Lions need to meet if they want to be considered good. One game at a time and get better everyday. This ain’t Madden football people. They still have to play the games.

  69. ochoverated says: Oct 4, 2011 6:20 PM

    Cowboys hype has teetered out of control

  70. tatum064 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:21 PM

    I see Suh is going to have to knock Aaron Rodgers out of the game again.

  71. evilrudedog says: Oct 4, 2011 6:22 PM

    Believe the hype, and they haven’t even played well throughout a full game yet. Your assumption that they are not as good as some of the 3-1 teams (and even the Packers) is absurd. They just need to get off to a quicker start.

    The Pack, Pats, and Saints have porous defenses that can’t seem to stop the pass, Detroit has a much better defense than these (and better than buffalo’s, which is still good). They kept Peterson from a 100 yard game twice now (last 2 times they played). Their defense shutdown the Pack attack last year before Rogers got hurt and the Lions beat them with a 3rd string QB. In the 3rd preseason game they manhandled the Pats starting offense even with 2nd stringers. If you notice who leads the NFL in the giveaway-takeaway differential, it’s Detroit.

    Offensively, they can keep up with anyone because all of their skill positions a stacked with talent (even the backup QB Hill would be a better starter on at least half the NFL teams). They might not run the ball well, who cares, it is a passing league now. Screen plays and the short passing game are the new run game. Their O-line may not be tops, but they have limited the sacks the QB have taken for the past 16 games. Think the Ravens can win more games using only defense, their offense is questionable at best against any team that can stop the run.

    As for Suh’s effectiveness this year, teams are game-planning well to avoid the rush (screens & end rounds), no team is willing to stand in the pocket too long to give the d-line a shot. He hasn’t changed the culture as much a Barry did, he is part of the solution though, give credit to the front office and Swartz.

  72. franx13 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:22 PM

    Packers were better than the lions last year, when the lions beat the packers with a third string quarterback in their last game

  73. dkeyser says: Oct 4, 2011 6:22 PM

    Well lets see what Detroit has had to write about the past few years.. Auto companies needing federal aid, massive unemployment, rising crime rates, lowlife politicians, Matt Millen…. Now the team is actually winning some games and everybody wants to bring them back down to the basement.. The people of Detroit deserve something to cheer about.. Let them have their moment in the sun, even if it only lasts another game or two…

  74. getweird4u says: Oct 4, 2011 6:24 PM

    Really,pft calling out someone for overhyping?Tim Tebow called he wants to sell his nbc stock!

  75. fuzzytaint says: Oct 4, 2011 6:26 PM

    Most of the article is on the money.And YES SUH was/is a better pick than the quitter BSanders. Suh is a LEADER, not some prima-donna wallflower who wouldn’t say shat if he had a mouth full……..Defense wins championships, something the lions never sniffed with quitter sanders.

  76. nevermore52 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:27 PM

    If/when the Lions do become an annual playoff team and challenge for a Superbowl, the biggest catalyst to that will be Matthew Stafford. Last time I checked; The Lions defense isn’t exactly the Ravens defense and I haven’t seen Suh throw ONE touchdown pass to Calvin Johnson so far this year. Now that would be something. Just sayin.

  77. moelester says: Oct 4, 2011 6:27 PM

    I hate to sound like a sexist here, cause I am really not.. but does ANYBODY ever lister to a single word said when a woman opens her mouth about football??

    Ladies, we are not complaining because we are not getting enough screen time on the lifetime network. Its all yours. Just leave football to us in return.

  78. bunsmalloy says: Oct 4, 2011 6:29 PM

    First of all, there’s only one winless team the Lions have played, and the Lions are one of the reasons they are winless!

    And to say Romo gave away that game, it takes two to make an interception. The QB to throw the ball, and the defender to make a play. And it wasn’t Romo’s fault the Lions scored crazy TDs off of two of those pics. Who’s to say the Lions didn’t take this game?

    And finally, the Packers are playing great, but remember the last time the Lions played the Packers, they tore them up, and Rogers didn’t make it to half time. It should be an interesting Thanksgiving this year!

  79. pftisahalftruth says: Oct 4, 2011 6:31 PM

    Actually agree with all of that. The Lions are a 2-2 team masquerading as a 4-0 team. I have more respect for the Lions and their fan base than the Vikings and there bandwagoners, but here’s a tip to you Lions fans (and your head coach who has repeatedly gone all “Josh McDaniels beats the Patriots” on the sidelines) win more than 8 in a year and make the playoffs before you consider yourself anything! Remember a couple years ago you started 6-2 and look how that ended up.

  80. 1stngoal says: Oct 4, 2011 6:31 PM

    The Lions are due for a huge let-down. They are still a young team learning how to win…

  81. twesty85 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:33 PM

    they beat two winless teams, tampa bay, and dallas. haven’t really seen much. also, considering how the vikings slaughtered them in the first half i don’t think they’ve reached the point of a “turnaround season” they’re still a year away from relevant.

  82. Patriot42 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:33 PM

    Some reporters want the same group of teams to win and the Lions are trying to break into this special group. These reporters are so bias against any team that dares to beat any of these teams that when they do these wise reporters try to poke fun at them and find excuses for their favorites.

  83. gobills716 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:33 PM

    redrifle14 says:
    Oct 4, 2011 5:52 PM
    NO way is the Bills more all around better then the Lions. My rookie QB, my rookie OC, & my rookie WR just torched your bills defense last week, so dont tell me they are better. LOL!
    ———————————————————
    I wouldn’t say the Bungles “torched” the Bills. Nice use of “LOL” though, are you a 14 year old girl or something? Dalton had a sub-par game and he looked absolutely horrible in the first half. It seemed like half of his passing yards came on jump balls where AJ Green made a great play. Try not to forget you got absolutely lucky on two key calls in the fourth quarter. Don’t act like the Bengals blew the Bills out, they won by a field goal. It’s the NFL, any team has a shot any given sunday. The Bengals were the more desperate team who were playing for their coach. Who knows, the Lions could get “torched” by the Bears and lose on a last second field goal on Monday.

  84. afuller428 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:33 PM

    Alot of you people are freaking stupid ! come on the bills younger and better than the lions give me a break Stafford is one of the best younge Qb’s in the game right now. Some other retard said lets see the lions beat the packers ahhhhh we did last year with a 3rd string Qb . Face it people the Lions are coming to your town to take down your team and i dont care if its a come back or a smashing like the cheifs . This team is full of good players that dont stop till the last second of the last quater. And we as fans have been waiting a long time so shove it all you haters and jump on the wagon now before it passes you bye.

  85. steelersteven says: Oct 4, 2011 6:33 PM

    They should be better. How many times have they had the number one overall pick or a top 5 pick? The fact that it took the Lions so long to get better proves how little their owners know about football.

  86. shibbyleigh says: Oct 4, 2011 6:34 PM

    As a Lions fan, I agree with most of what you posted except for the part about the Bills being better.

    Buffalo just lost to Cincinnati. I don’t see how, under any circumstances, that makes them better than an undefeated Lions team.

    —————————————-

    The Lions very nearly lost to the 0-4 Vikings which would have been equivalent to the Bills losing to Cincy. I’m not saying, I’m just saying.

  87. mark8240 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:36 PM

    Im a lions fan and we are over hyped. We are a playoff team and can compete with anyone but we are not better than the packers. We still need to fix our run game, our o-line, and our secondary before we are a complete team. I must say I think we are better than the bills.

    My power rankings.
    1. Packers
    2. Patriots
    3. Saints
    4. Ravens
    5. Lions

  88. tramonisland says: Oct 4, 2011 6:36 PM

    as a packers fan if it means they’ll be taking a wild card spot away from the dream team eagles, i’m all for it.

  89. turdfurgerson68 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:37 PM

    The Lions are better than the Bills…lets see ol’ Fitzy engineer another comeback after he’s been run over repeatedly by Detroit’s defense.

    And can anyone in the Buffalo secondary contain….MEGATRON!!!???

    I rest my case.

  90. axespray says: Oct 4, 2011 6:38 PM

    tatum064 says:Oct 4, 2011 6:21 PM
    “I see Suh is going to have to knock Aaron Rodgers out of the game again.”

    So, did the Lions improve the left tackle posistion yet?
    By the way, Peppers this monday, if I were you I wouldn’t be bragging about knocking out other team’s QBs, especially with china doll there.

  91. thawhitehype says: Oct 4, 2011 6:40 PM

    We were 0 – 16 two years ago….Back up off the D and let us have our moment while we can….ALL ARE HATERS….Jus sayin….Jus sayin

  92. polegojim says: Oct 4, 2011 6:40 PM

    We’ve come a long way baby and on the rise… but not there yet. Still lots to tighten up.

    That said, Detroit is going to make more than a few PFT prognosticators eat their picks.

    1) We need to play up to potential on both sides of the ball in the first half…
    2) We need Fairley on the line to kill the Suh double teams and help a dinged up secondary…Suh still almost gets to QB with two blockers on him.
    3) Defense is not living up to it’s potential yet, way too many points given up, but our safeties are AGAIN banged up.

    @ipeeallovermyself and xx4zu1 – thats a laugh! Yes, Romo threw the balls, but they were both good defensive plays. The Cowboys didn’t give the Lions ANYTHING. We TOOK it, then shoved it down their throats in the fourth quarter. That was a killer instinct.

    Let’s Go LIONS!!!

  93. tpaulus2 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:42 PM

    I love the “who have the Lions beat” argument.

    The Bucs are 3-1, there only loss this year? To the Lions in week one. Coming off a ten win season last year I’d say that qualifies them as a pretty good team.

    We also beat the Cowboys on the road and the Vikings (divisional opponent) on the road.

    I also love how MDS gives no credit to the Lions for having the NFL’s longest current winning streak, now at 8 games.

    Nor does he mention that the last time the Lions and Packers faced off it was the Lions who came out victorious, with our 3rd string QB leading the offense.

    Now don’t get me wrong- I’ll freely admit that the Packers are the better team right now, but give a little credit where credit is due. Heaven forbid that we Lions fans are a little bit excited after all we’ve been through.

    I think MDS is just cranky that his least favorite team is the feel-good story of the NFL right now, and, as such, is getting a slew of media attention heaped upon them.

    I apologize, Mr. Smith, for Jamele Hill’s article suggesting that Suh is already a better draft pick than Barry Sanders. 99.9% of Lions fans would vehemently disagree with that. Ms. White is hardly qualified to be writing such an article (her knowledge seems to be mostly NBA related), so I think you picked a very unfair rallying point by using her article as evidence that Lions hype is teetering out of control.

    Perhaps you could do something a little more agreeable and write a piece about how over-hyped the Jets were this year (yet again) after we all were subjected to a full off-season of ESPN’s “all Jets all the time” coverage?

  94. tiktokdok says: Oct 4, 2011 6:43 PM

    The Bills, surely you jest.

  95. jnbnet says: Oct 4, 2011 6:43 PM

    Knightlines says:
    Oct 4, 2011 5:49 PM
    Michael David Smith is obviously a hater, or bias reporter who is not watching the football games.

    I love when a team is 4-0 after being so horrible and you still bring the hate…it sounds like a pathetic soap box article.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Trust me, you have not seen any hate yet. Wait till you win a division title or some playoff games…or better yet, the NFC championship……then you’ll get a real taste of “the hate”.

  96. 81daytona says: Oct 4, 2011 6:44 PM

    MDS, you are absolutely 100%…spot…on.

    I am, admittedly, another of those rare lifelong Lions fans, and the hype is totally out of control.

    Are they a good team?

    I don’t really think we know that yet. But they do have the best potential of any Lions team in, what?

    20 years?

    30 years?

    50 years?

    Gawd, that’s pathetic…

    All that said, if they really do beat the Bears on Monday, ramp up the “hype” by a factor of 10…

    It will get silly-stupid in no time flat…

  97. mark921129 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:45 PM

    Let me get this straight…PFT is bitching about the overhyped lions. Aren’t 2/3’s of the articles PFT shows about Detroit? Just saying…

  98. whodad4 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:47 PM

    Iam start to think the NFL is getting to be a bit of a sham. It seems like the NFL likes to give pity on teams that cities have been decimated.
    The saints were given the golden key to bring back the fans to happiness and keep the NFL juggernaut rolling. I think this is Detroits year as Detroit has been decimated by the economy. You take these pity teams and sprinkle in a bone or two thrown to long existing owners li ke the steelers and Giants and New England and you have covered most of the super bowl wins for the past 10 years.
    iI think the lions are over rated and are Mcnabb abd a R omo from being 2-2 at best. They have a nice defensive line, receiver and up and coming QB, but there offensive line, defensive secondary, and running game are atrocious

  99. twesty85 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:48 PM

    Teams the Lions have beaten this year:

    Week 1 Tampa Bay(3-1)-only one win against a team at or above .500 which was Atlanta.

    Week 2 Kansas City(1-3)-only win was against a team who is 0-4

    Week 3 Minnesota(0-4) a winless team who killed them in the first half and let it go in the second

    Week 4 Dallas (2-2) the coach along with Tony Romo gave away the game.

    Your precious Lions aren’t all they’re cracked up to be they beat MAYBE one legit team the rest are just horrible this year. Your team hasn’t done a thing and will miss the playoffs once again this year.

  100. dewalt2990 says: Oct 4, 2011 6:53 PM

    ” The Lions aren’t as good as the NFL’s other 4-0 team, the Packers” ” And they’re probably not as good as several 3-1 teams”……GBs played carolina and Denver to get to 4-0, quality talent, right? MDS? NO has had a tough schedule, and here’s the difference between the Lions and the Bills, Pats, Ravens…the Lions are the most complete team.

  101. emmonsh says: Oct 4, 2011 6:54 PM

    by the way they beat tampa 3 and 1. beat dallas. both on the road. beat minn . metrodome is hard place to win.

  102. nineroutsider says: Oct 4, 2011 6:58 PM

    I can’t wait until the Turkey day game between the Lions and the Packers. Even more than that, the 49ers get a shot at these guys on 10/16…should be a great game.

    The Lions are a very good team, regardless of the hype. I thought last year they were going to break out, but they decided to come out this year with a vengeance. They have been stockpiling talent for a while now, about time it all came together.

    I view the Lions as a tier below the Packers, who occupy the top tier alone. The Packers are killing it…like watching the old school Niners. The Lions will be the Niners toughest test of the season…so you know what I think of them.

  103. BernardPollardIsAnAss says: Oct 4, 2011 7:06 PM

    Heh. I predicted the Lions would face the Patriots in the Super Bowl prior to the start of the season (and I have proof), but I don’t think they are going to win against the elite teams unless they figure out a way to get the offense started earlier in games. If they end up in another big hole this weekend I don’t think they will be 5 – 0. And they certainly can’t be doing that type of stuff against the Packers.

  104. derekjetersmansion says: Oct 4, 2011 7:14 PM

    The scary part is that we really don’t what the Lions’ ceiling is. We know what the Packers are like.

    Good teams come back from two 20-point deficits. Buffalo couldn’t pull that off, and they lost to Cincinnati, who may win 2 more games this year.

  105. threestepdrop says: Oct 4, 2011 7:18 PM

    Media telling me that the Lions are overhyped = pissing on my head and telling me it’s raining.

  106. dtrb10 says: Oct 4, 2011 7:18 PM

    Wow 15 years of crap. You would think they could finally have a good team with the amount of top 5 picks they have had.

  107. tpaulus2 says: Oct 4, 2011 7:24 PM

    Remember that it was MDS leading the “Suh is a dirty player” charge too.

    Clearly this guy has something against the Lions.

  108. lks311 says: Oct 4, 2011 7:25 PM

    That is one of the oddest posts I’ve ever read on PFT. It seems that that should have been penned by a Bears, Vikings or Packers fan instead of Smith. Either way, I don’t recall the Lions courting all this attention. Far as I can see, Schwartz guys are just ballin’ and moving on to the next game. The media, including PFT, are the hype machine—and now Smith says, “back-off, this is waayyyy too much”. Personally, I think they’re a year away—and I’m a Lions fan—but, why rain on their parade? There will be plenty of time to bury them when (and if) they begin to fall.

  109. blatphar says: Oct 4, 2011 7:25 PM

    sometimes i think u guys make statements just to get a rise out of people so they can hit the message boards. Stating that the lions aren’t as good as the bills is asinine. First, if you compare the qb’s, there’s no comparison-stafford has a cannon for an arm and can throw in any climate or weather vs fitzpatrick, who’s having a great year but once the weather turns later in the year he’s gonna come crashing back down to earth. fitz is all about timing and accuracy. His lack of arm strength will show itself once the leaves start to fall of the tree. Second, detroit can consistently rush 4 and drop 8 in coverage and still get constant pressure on opposing qb’s, which is only gonna get better once nick fairly shows up. Buffalo has to constantly expose themselves by blitzing bcuz they have NO consistent pass-rushers. Lastly, detroit has the ultimate weapon and his name is MEGATRON!

  110. ptisme says: Oct 4, 2011 7:30 PM

    As a Packer’s fan, watching both teams, GB is still better than Detroit… Right now…. Remember GB got beat by Detroit last year so things can always change….
    PS, Bills>Detroit is about the stupidest comment ever put into print!

  111. rajuncajun28 says: Oct 4, 2011 7:32 PM

    Seriously, people, we are talking about the Lions….they will ultimately go down the same path as the 2009 Broncos….enjoy your 15 mins of fame, motor city….

  112. cookdiesel says: Oct 4, 2011 7:33 PM

    So most of these “they’ve beat junk teams” comments are a joke…right? Three of the Lions four wins were on the road and should be tough to win. Last I checked most teams play harder at home, hence the “Home Field Advantage”. Green Bay has played two games at home that they blew out their opponent, and beat Carolina by only 7 and Chicago by 10. So now the Lions play the next three at Ford Field if they beat Chicago, San Fran, and Atlanta or two out of three maybe at that point this issue can be put to rest. As a Lion’s fan for 40 years, I’m not ready to anoint them NFC or Super Bowl Champs but give this team a little respect, there pretty good.

  113. chobes68 says: Oct 4, 2011 7:40 PM

    While Suh is really good, he has much more talent around him than Barry ever did. He didn’t make all those crazy moves because he was a showboat, but out of neccesity.

    With that being said, as a Bear’s fan, I’m enjoying seeing Detroit good again. There were always a second team for me when Billy Sims, and then Barry were running. With all the crap Millen dragged them through, its good to see they’re back.

    I don’t see how people don’t respect them enough. People forget they went on the road and beat Tampa the first week. That’s a solid road win. While they won’t finish 13-3, most likely, they sure look destined for the playoffs.

  114. jarrman46 says: Oct 4, 2011 7:42 PM

    Wow the Lions beat the Packers last year 7-3. What a beating!!! To bad Rodgers Finley and Grant were on the sideline. Detriot better hope the Packers have already clinched a first round bye by week 17 at Lambeau or Rodgers and that offense may drop 50 points on them. And when Green Bay gets the lions down by 30 points they stay down by 30 points. Rodgers doesnt through pick 6’s like Romo

  115. klunge says: Oct 4, 2011 7:43 PM

    Give MDS credit for not being a hypocrite. PFT has done it’s share to feed the hype machine, but Mr. Smith has had no part in it. He has been an unabashed Suh & Lion hater from day 1.

    As a Lion fan I agree the hype is too much, but I’m just not into hype in general so my agreement is on entirely different principles. MDS is the polar opposite of the hype train, he thinks the Lions deserve no credit. If your articles were more balanced, people would take you more seriously instead of as just a hater. But you are who you are, and at least you’re not trying to fool anyone about it.

  116. dirksimmons says: Oct 4, 2011 7:44 PM

    Barry Sanders is arguably the greatest running back of all-time. Any comparison to him is extremely short-sighted. I love Suh, but he’ll have to play a long time to be in Sanders’ class.

  117. bigcarguy1 says: Oct 4, 2011 7:46 PM

    Lions fans deserve this–I wish my Panthers were 4-0. Plus Detroit needs to celebrate becuase the Tigers will not beat the YANKEES!!

  118. galluswien says: Oct 4, 2011 7:47 PM

    Didn’t the Bills beat the Lions last year? During that year that Suh was busy making Barry Sanders look like a toadstool (apparently)?

    The Detroit Coors Light Cans are as overhyped as any other, especially considering that one swift sniff in Matt Stafford’s direction will have Drew Stanton starting for the rest of the season. Ya’ll need to watch out for it. Remember, the Bills were on a Sports Illustrated cover too, then got edged out by 3 by the (frisky albiet flawed) Bengals.

    Its only week 4.

  119. righteousaviator says: Oct 4, 2011 7:47 PM

    Good God! Let the Lions have a little something. They’ve earned a day or two in the sun. If they fall they fall. Until then, enjoy!

  120. scudbot says: Oct 4, 2011 7:53 PM

    scratchnpost1234 says: “The media are the ones doing all the hyping. Jim Schwartz and the Lions players have their feet firmly on the ground.”

    Suh runs his mouth once or more a week. And surely you remember this: “Ndamukong Suh still talking about Lions going 16-0″

  121. rubicon202 says: Oct 4, 2011 7:53 PM

    Yeah one blog read they have been so bad, 4 so long let them enjoy, Lord knows the city needs it and I’m not even a fan…

  122. 8man says: Oct 4, 2011 8:03 PM

    It’s been a long, long time since Detroit could get excited about their Lions. They play 7 of their last 12 at home.

    Let it go! Ride the wave and enjoy it. Paint the town Lion blue and silver. Hell, start rioting now!

    And beat the Packers!

  123. glac1 says: Oct 4, 2011 8:04 PM

    Typical media… they pick their two three favorite teams and ride it. The season is 16 games long so I don’t worry about rankings until December. How many of the media talked about the Pack last year? Who ended up winning it all?

  124. sakatak says: Oct 4, 2011 8:06 PM

    I am glad Lions fans are getting a taste of the good times, the rise to the playoffs for the first time in a long time is as exciting as a Super Bowl victory. I remember the early 90’s when the Packers were in this same position. As a fan you are just happy the team you follow makes it into the playoffs, and you feel good about next years chances. Enjoy the ride, once again this season reminds me of 1962, the Packers only loss that year was to a very good Lions team on Thanksgiving Day. Looking forward to the turkey and the football.

  125. leftysmoke says: Oct 4, 2011 8:09 PM

    Is anyone surprised that it’s Smith who wrote this article?

    I’ve had my fair share of complaints about him and his “unique” writing style. The format is literally the same, every friggin’ time.

    As for this article, he’s just talking out of his arse. The Lions are 4-0 and absolutely can hang with the Packers. To defiantly state that the Packers are better than the Lions is totally ignorant. If I re-call correctly, the Lions split the series with the Pack last year and lost the other game by TWO POINTS… Funny thing is, if the Bears stomp the Lions, he’ll want all of the credit for calling the Lions “overhyped”.

    If they beat the Bears, he’ll say something along the lines of, “I’ll be the first to eat crow… If only crow was an edible bird.” These quips and numb skull puns are at the end of every post he has ever created. Don’t forget about the non-stop grammatical errors and run-on sentences. With that said, I obviously enjoy PFT, sans Smith.

    With my Colts down and out, I love seeing the Lions win. They mean a lot to the city of Detroit, along with the Tigers.

  126. cmb79 says: Oct 4, 2011 8:12 PM

    I like Hill. She’s smart (and quite easy on the eyes).

    But to claim that Suh is a better draft choice than Sanders was is not only premature, it’s completely asinine. She’s letting her hometown hysteria cloud her judgment by, well, lots.

  127. huejackson says: Oct 4, 2011 8:12 PM

    Lions are not as good as the Raiders. If the Raiders were 4-0 I would bet anything ESPN would not even mention it..Raiders should be 4-0 but you can’t beat the refs

  128. kpd213 says: Oct 4, 2011 8:14 PM

    This is unbelievable. Let us just enjoy a few wins, man! We are riding 8 straight wins (including GB) and it has been the greatest 8 games of most Lions fans life! I agree that GB, NE, Baltimore and the Saints are probably better teams right now, but at least with this Lions team we can say “who knows?” That is why we are so excited. We think that when we are firing on all cylinders we can compete with anyone in the league. Notice I used compete – not beat – and that is enough for us right now. We realize that the last two wins were not pretty, but they are WINS and we will take them! I can finally turn on ESPN and hear about the Lions, in the past the only press we got was about the 0-16 season. Not to mention this team is FUN to watch! A lot of non-Lion football fans are enjoying watching this young and exciting team, its good for the sport! Suh may never have the numbers like he had is rookie year – they were unprecedented for a rookie and teams will treat him differently for the rest of his career. But the impact he has on the rest of the team is invaluable. Your comment: “He had a great rookie year, but the Lions’ 6-10 season didn’t exactly change the losing culture.” is completely off! Last season DEFINITELY changed the losing culture. You may state the obvious and point out that 6-10 is not a “winning” record, but I would argue that you have no clue what the losing culture was like for us in the past. Last years team, and coaching staff, was finally not OK with losing and was finally legitimately PISSED off about losing. Not too mention winning our final four games was the like making the playoffs for most Lions fans. The culture did change last year and that has been obvious through the preseason and regular season in 2011. If you can’t see that then you should not be writing this type of article. Finally, I hate to even mention the Bills being better comment, because I don’t think it has any merit, but, COME ON MAN!!!!???? They just lost to the Bengals? Make the comment a week earlier and you have a somewhat decent argument. Poor article, my friend.

  129. neovenator250 says: Oct 4, 2011 8:17 PM

    I don’t know that the Lions aren’t better than the Bills…but I’d agree that they’re probably behind the Saints, Patriots, Packers, and Ravens (not necessarily in that order).

  130. twesty85 says: Oct 4, 2011 8:20 PM

    my “they’ve beat junk teams” comment only points to the fact that they haven’t gained all the hype they’ve gotten yet. they wont get any respect from me even if they beat the bears. it’s ONE season with a shortened training camp. last year they won their last four games you say? last year was last year, this year is this year. at least 2 of their 4 wins were against garbage teams one remains winless and gave them a game at least for the first half, the second half the vikings secondary choked like they always do. you COULD say 3 out of 4 or even 4 out of 4 are garbage wins. dallas has always been inconsistent and you can blame their coach for losing that game by going pass happy in the second half. tampa bay, well, can you name one player on that team besides blount or freeman? tampa bay is on the rise like the lions but they aren’t there yet. simply put Lions=a team that hasn’t done anything since barry sanders played in the 90’s.

  131. neovenator250 says: Oct 4, 2011 8:21 PM

    Someone said earlier that the Lions defense was a lot better than the Saints and Packers units. I got a news flash for ya homie. The Lions defense isnt great, especially in the secondary. Lots of picks against Romo, but they did give up 30 points to the Cowboys, and a bunch to the Vikings, too. And Donovan McNabb isn’t exactly elite. Packers and Saints almost certainly have defenses that are either equivalent or above Detroits.

  132. nflfuturist says: Oct 4, 2011 8:23 PM

    This team is the Ravens but younger all around, has a QB that is allowed to throw, more explosive on both sides of the ball and in a more competitive division.

    Ravens get 12-13 wins and Detroit gets 10, but I’ll take Detroit.

  133. warwicklionsfan says: Oct 4, 2011 8:29 PM

    Ok…long time suffering Lions fan here. I actually watched the 63 yard field against the Saints on TV when I was 10 years old. I was at the Thanksgiving game where the Lions tied it on the last play to go into overtime against the Bears. I wasn’t even comfortable in my seat yet after giving everyone high-fives around me just to watch Chicago run the kickoff all the way back for a touchdown in overtime…ouch. Anyways, I do think true Lions fans are cautious right now. The funny thing is when I watched the Chiefs game, I didn’t know how to reacted, it was so odd to be on the “otherside” for once! It’s usually the Lions making bonehead plays. btw: it wasn’t all Romo as so many fans like to point out. That was a team effort by the Cowboys. Trust me, I know from experience on this one…again I’m a 40 year Lions fan. Romo wasn’t in the endzone when Calvin caught those 2 touchdown passes. Romo didn’t run out of bounds on 4th down…those were old sadsack Lions plays LOL. I am also not ready to annoint them SB champs yet. All I will say is, they are heading in the right direction. Time will tell. It may not be this year…but I will say it’s coming if they keep going down this unchartered road. All of us Lions fan have never been down this road before.

    Also, you Packer fans…I have been to many games at the Silverdome and Ford Field against the Packers, You Packers fans have run up to me and put your finger in my face and screamed at me “You suck” everytime the packers scored. You fans are the crazy ones LOL. Most of time I just laughed because 99% of time you were right. When the Lions did beat the Packers, I’d hear your conversations as we were walking out of the stadium on how the Packers blew it…never the Lions beat you, but how the Packers blew it. Well, I have a funny feeling that you will be having the conversation at least once this year, and for once I wish I didn’t have class…because it would kind of be nice to run up to you, put my finger in your face, and yell “You suck!” I won’t though, I’ll just smile as I walk out of the stadium…

  134. houseofspears90 says: Oct 4, 2011 8:35 PM

    twesty85 says:Oct 4, 2011 6:33 PM

    they beat two winless teams, tampa bay, and dallas. haven’t really seen much. also, considering how the vikings slaughtered them in the first half i don’t think they’ve reached the point of a “turnaround season” they’re still a year away from relevant.
    **********************************************
    As far as Tampa being winless, it was the first game. Every team was winless at that point. Tampa is now 3-1. Are the Lions as good as the Packers, no. But they proved last year at Ford Field that they have the talent to make beat anyone. They aren’t a pushover team. They have enough weapons at all the right spots to give even the elite teams cause for concern. In a few years maybe they will be on top and deserve the hype/hate. For now us Lions fans just get to enjoy the ride up for once…

  135. megatron4carterneday says: Oct 4, 2011 8:39 PM

    Lets just be real…everytime someone attempts to low cut the Lions or a Lions player’s they go and do something epic to make the nay sayer eat their words. Bring it on Mike, but don’t forget the Pack is the same team as last year and the second game they lost to the lil ol’ Lions (who are a whole new ball club).

  136. sromgrom says: Oct 4, 2011 8:54 PM

    I think everyone is getting their panties in a bind…. the point of the article was to point out that the hype machine is going nutty for a team that’s only 4 games into the season…

    Add to it, the crazy hype machine that was the Bills, leading up to the Cincy game, and at one point you had nothing but hype for two economically depressed cities.. which I may as well mention, it does seem rather off ESPN would take such a high interest in both towns after never having taken any in the past… Could it be the NFL secretly mandating to media outlets to hype up some towns over others?? I wouldn’t doubt it– reference what happened with New Orleans…

  137. tommytd says: Oct 4, 2011 9:06 PM

    Anybody check out the Bears miserable history of failure on national Monday night football telecasts…they’re 18-32 since ’07! My money is on Detroit going 5-0, AND I’M A BEARS FAN!

  138. hatesycophants says: Oct 4, 2011 9:07 PM

    Well done, Smiff!

    Another poorly written post bashing the Lions.

    Don’t they need any janitorial services at PFT?

    Go Lions! Go Badgers!

  139. dbellina says: Oct 4, 2011 9:10 PM

    I wouldn’t say Suh is better than Sanders, as much as it’s Suh having a much better team around him than Sanders. Imagine if Barry was in his prime playing for the Lions now. That would be something amazing!

  140. cornernum23 says: Oct 4, 2011 9:10 PM

    Lions fan here, two words: I agree.

  141. bangpow says: Oct 4, 2011 9:14 PM

    OK, I’m a Lions fan in live in the metro Detroit area and I gotta say that I kind of agree with this article, except for the Barry and Suh changing the culture part. I’ll get into that in a second.

    The Lions are playing decent football right now and I’m excited and the metro Detroit area is excited. They are beating teams they are supposed to beat and that’s something the Lions haven’t historically done. They usually find ways to lose those games.

    However, what they haven’t proven is the ability to beat teams that they aren’t supposed to beat, so to speak. They just haven’t played any of those teams.

    So until they start matching up with the top tier teams in the NFL, I do think the hype is just a bit much. It’s still nice they are winning and it’s great, but I do think the national media needs to tone it down a bit.

    As far as Barry and Suh changing cultures, I don’t know if either one of them have done anything. The reason why I say that is Barry played for an organization that was still a joke when he was there and it wasn’t his fault. Wayne “Big Buck” Fontes was kind of a laughing stock and so was the front office and let’s not forget about Scott Mitchell. Sure, they won games, but they were constantly overshadowed by some other members organization being kind of jokes or doing dumb stuff….like not keeping Barry’s OL together.

    And now we get to Suh. While Suh has totally been embraced by our community, I don’t think the changed the culture in the Lions. That recognition can go to Martin Mayhew, Tom Lewand and Jim Schwartz. That front office appears to be in lock step with Schwartz as far as building that team. They appear to have a great working relationship and have shown high levels of competency that hasn’t been seen around here in decades. Suh was one of their picks as well as the signing of KVB. Really, KVB is another guy that can be attributed to some culture change. He’s sort of like an unofficial player/coach. He leads by example and definitely works with the young DL.

    So while the hype train is a little much, the Lions are on the up and this is a fun season to see what kind of team we have here in the D.

  142. commandercornpone says: Oct 4, 2011 9:24 PM

    not much of a baseball guy here but sounds like the yanks are goin down…

  143. paulieorkid says: Oct 4, 2011 9:30 PM

    Jemele Hill is a hey-everybody-look-at-me kind of person, so she regularly tries to take stances to serve that end.

    No question at all that Suh is a total bad ass who deserves insane credit for his play. Well-earned. But to frame it in a way that almost belittles Barry Sanders is Hill doing what Hill does. She implicitly screams LOOK-AT-ME-WORLD in everything she does, and this is the latest example showing her standard m.o.

    As for the Lions, again – Suh is a freaking monster. But let’s not forget, much of why they got Suh was because Stafford got injured before he could get rolling —> so instead of the Lions going 6-10 or 7-9, they had a dreadful season that resulted in a pick high enough to get Suh.

    Other injuries also “artificially deflated” the Lions – and now those guys are balling.

    Reminds me of when the San Antonio Spurs lost the Admiral to injury “artificially depressing” their true value, and it led to the Spurs to getting Tim Duncan.

    The Spurs hoised several trophies when their true value coupled with Duncan coalesced. Same deal could be going down in Mo’town.

    Suh is an epic beast. Hill is an attention seeker. Sanders was (perhaps) the greatest RB of all time and could have rushed for 25,000+ yards. And pre-Suh, the Lions weren’t as far away as the Jemele Hills of the world portray it to sell copy.

  144. savannahrose44 says: Oct 4, 2011 9:32 PM

    But let’s get real: The Lions aren’t as good as the NFL’s other 4-0 team, the Packers.

    I recall the Packers finished with a 10-6 record last season. The lions currently tied with the Packers at 4-0 can now lose half of their remaining games for this season and still finish with the same record as the SB champs of yesteryear. So how are they “not as good” as the Packers again?

    ” the Lions’ 6-10 season didn’t exactly change the losing culture. ”

    They were 6-10 last year WITHOUT Stafford…They had Shaun “noodle arm” Hill as 49er fans name him. Had Stafford been able to finish the season last year they would have had a much better record. I’m not a lions fan, but I’m not blind either…There is something about a long time losing record that these writers are seeming to forget…Bad records produce excellent draft picks. The Lions have had the benefit of those picks for the last 5 seasons +. They have finally put something good together and all they get are crappy articles like this one telling the world how they “are not as good” as the Packers and other teams. I can’t wait for them to prove you wrong.

  145. Spencer says: Oct 4, 2011 9:33 PM

    People like seeing underdogs succeed. The Lions are far from overhyped and they deserve this moment in the spotlight. To say otherwise is nothing but misplaced bitterness.

  146. lioncrazy says: Oct 4, 2011 9:39 PM

    All these Polls and who thinks this Team is better then that Team don’t mean anything. Unlike NCAA, this is a field of competition on the field and not a championship game decided by a bunch of pompous asses. I say it is ego stroking. Your and other opinions are nothing, the play on the field determines the truth of the best at a given time.

  147. statesenator says: Oct 4, 2011 9:40 PM

    MDS, didn’t you grow up near Detroit?

    That would explain the take. Detroiters (and Detroit sports writers) are conditioned to automatically bash the Lions in anticipation of a major let-down.

    Time will tell if they’re as good as the record shows. Until then, drop your guard and enjoy the home team. They’re playing some exciting ball this year.

  148. garyman1 says: Oct 4, 2011 9:41 PM

    I don’t think the Lions are over-hyped at all…
    Heck, there are only 2 undefeated teams and they’re one of them so give them some much deserved credit. What will REALLY impress me is if Stafford can get through an entire season healthy.

  149. veraky says: Oct 4, 2011 9:43 PM

    huejackson says:
    Oct 4, 2011 8:12 PM
    Lions are not as good as the Raiders. If the Raiders were 4-0 I would bet anything ESPN would not even mention it..Raiders should be 4-0 but you can’t beat the refs

    Haha you Raiders fans are hilarious, always whining about the refs. Why don’t you grow a pair and man up, oh wait you’re probably one of those trannys wearing makeup and some $hity costume at the Raiders games so you probably were born without out balls, my bad…..

  150. teal379 says: Oct 4, 2011 9:50 PM

    derekjetersmansion says:
    Oct 4, 2011 7:14 PM
    Good teams come back from two 20-point deficits. Buffalo couldn’t pull that off, and they lost to Cincinnati, who may win 2 more games this year.
    *********************************************

    Good teams don’t go down by 20.

    Look the Lions are a nice story and maybe they even beat the Packers, who knows but I do know this – their offense couldn’t put points up on Dallas – Romo was directly responsible for 21 of your points. (2 ints for TD’s and another short field/easy TD)

    Teams like GB and New Orleans will force you to score on every drive. Can Detroit do that reliably? Not really. Again, down by 20 in 2 games.

    While Detroit LOVES to claim they hold the longest win record, GB won the last 10 games that count. 3 of them on the road in the play offs and 1 more in the SUPERBOWL. See when you play well, you get to play more than just 16 games in a year. It’s called the playoffs. I’ll take that over beating teams like last year’s Vikings or Dolphins…..

    This is NOT the same team that you beat by 4 points without Rodgers, Finley, Grant.

    I’d love to know how you plan on covering Cobb, Nelson, Driver, Jennings and Finely all at the same time.

  151. 3yardsandacloud says: Oct 4, 2011 10:06 PM

    Every article you write takes issue with the Lions. That’s what we call a hater. The Lions have proven they can find a way to win every week. I do not think they are better than the Packers, however, they handled the Packers at the end of last season and they can play with them. That was before the addition of free agents and draft picks.

    Quit hating and wait for Thanksgiving to make your opinion known.

  152. liontomyself says: Oct 4, 2011 10:08 PM

    Ok, I’ll bite…….the Lions are 2-2…….WHO wants to play them? Takers? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

    How about this? The Lions played like cr@@@p…..but their front 4 stayed fresh. They do not need to rush ANY more and are fresh…….

    Maybe…..just MAYBE…… that factors in to the 4th quarter and their domination of teams……

    Yeah, it sux……they have not played a complete game…..having to come back from 20 down the last 2 games….but

    JUST THINK IF they do play a complete game………and finally everyone gets on the same page?

    So, again, I ask…………..they are 2-2…but…..WHO gurantees (sp?….I hate that word) a win against the Detroit Lions? Who has them circled as an easy win?

    Who? Takers?

  153. mobetta2020 says: Oct 4, 2011 10:10 PM

    Truth is: The Lions have won eight straight regular season games. The last team to beat the Packers was….The Lions! The bottom line has been wins. But since people wanna analyze losses, cool. The Lions losses last season were by no more than 5 points. That’s to the Bears, who played in the NFC Championship. The Packers (Super Bowl Champs) and Eagles (Playoff team). Hell! Two out of the 4 victories this year were against teams that won 10 games last season. One of which is 3-1 (Buccaneers). They are legit. They are winning games. I know people are slow to change their opinions. I don’t blame them. The Lions have sucked for the past decade. But, that shouldn’t stop you from looking at the facts. The Packers barely beat the lowly Panthers. Does that mean their not legit Super Bowl Champs. This is the NFL. There are usually few blowouts. Games are decided by only a few plays. The Lions are making those plays. Point blank. Period. And no one can deny it!

  154. kaveech says: Oct 4, 2011 10:15 PM

    OK Teal379 you moron. The only way Romo can be directly responsible for any points is if he walks out of the back of the end zone. For crying out loud, both ints were run back from the sideline across midfield. and another short/easy TD? You are very stupid, there is no such thing, how come Dallas couldn’t in from the 1 yard line? Is that Romo’s fault? How about Calvin’s TD over 3 defenders?

    Who has Green Bay beat besides the Saints, who should’ve won on your short/easy TD’s. Packers defense is terrible, they couldn’t stop Cam Newton, Kyle Orton, or Jay Cutler. You summed up how un-intelligent you are by claiming Detroit beat you without Rodgers, Finley, or Grant. Newsflash, WE KNOCKED RODGER’s soft @$$ out of the game door knob, and Grant doesn’t even start now.

    You only beat the Lions by 2 without Stafford.

    I’d love to know how you plan on blocking Suh, Fairley, Williams, KVB, Avril, and when you’re gonna move out of mom and dad’s basement.

  155. macarwolf says: Oct 4, 2011 10:16 PM

    Wow, we get take a little lime light and now we get hated by PFT for taking some of the glitz away from someone’s team at PFT. Thats what this boils down too. Must be a Packers fan up there. Funny Bills lose and they compare the Bills to being better. Who is next we have to beat so they can say those wins dont count. lmfao

  156. juanhughjazz says: Oct 4, 2011 10:20 PM

    “Thank You this is exactly what I was telling the Lions fans after the Cowboys loss. If Romo hadn’t given them the game the wouldn’t have won it. Glad someone at PFT has some common sense.”

    and if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.

    I’m not saying that the Lions are great, but they are great to watch. And they are the last team to beat the Packers.

  157. dallascowboysfanatic says: Oct 4, 2011 10:23 PM

    amid all this arguing can we all just acknowledge that Jemele Hills journalism is horrendous. I mean the lions 0-16 season is easier to take then the garbage she puts out

  158. staffordsyear says: Oct 4, 2011 10:24 PM

    These columnists almost make it sound like its bad to be happy and optimistic as a lions fan..I say f em,go lions! Go rain on somebody else’s parade ya downtrodden s.o.b.

  159. cosanostra71 says: Oct 4, 2011 10:26 PM

    ESPN overhyping something? No, couldn’t be.

  160. motownlion says: Oct 4, 2011 10:28 PM

    Hey Michael David Smith,…

    Don’t talk about how the Lions can or can’t rebuild a beleagured city unless you’ve lived here. Yes we have high unemployment,(mostly caused by Americans buying foriegn cars), yes we have down trodden areas, yes our public school system is a mess, yes the city proper has a high crime rate and yes, we as a people in the metro area of Detroit are struggling…
    Who are you to judge if a 4-0 football team will or will not lift the spirits of a lowly plumber, electrician, auto line worker, homemaker, or flat out bum? Will it improve Detroits economy? Probably not but I’ll tell you what, it give us people fortunate enough to still have a job and those who are struggling, something to be proud of.

    “You live in America……BUY American!

  161. liontomyself says: Oct 4, 2011 10:45 PM

    scudbot :

    1) He NEVER said they would. Do you want a player saying they should go 9-7 after looking at the schedule?

    2) Would YOUR team beat them……easily?

    I think YOU are Lionto yourwhatever………

  162. jdmp86 says: Oct 4, 2011 10:46 PM

    Last year lions lost to the pack by 2 points and beat them by four for a split in the season series and +2 in point differential – we’ll see what happens on turkey day Michael vaginal bulb syringe with lateral holes near the tip of the nozzle Smith

  163. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 4, 2011 11:08 PM

    Seems to be some short memories in the NFC North. Lions fans have forgotten how much Sanders did to improve their franchise and Packer fans have forgotten the 25 years of irrelevance before Favre arrived.

  164. flipadelphia says: Oct 4, 2011 11:11 PM

    This is NOT the same team that you beat by 4 points without Rodgers, Finley, Grant.

    I’d love to know how you plan on covering Cobb, Nelson, Driver, Jennings and Finely all at the same time.

    ——————————————————-

    Cool story, bro. But let’s look at the facts. Rodgers got knocked out of that game right before the 2nd half…up until then he put up what? 3 points?

    The fact of the matter is the Lions started the game with Drew Stanton their 3rd stringer and won….even if it was after a backup linebacker bounced Rodgers skull off the turf.

    And please stop crying about your injuries, you act like the Lions didn’t have to deal with injuries to half their team last year including 1st and 2nd string QB’s. Talk about hype….had the Lions not punched TB in the mouth for you last year the Pack doesn’t even get in the playoffs.

  165. kennyrogerschicken says: Oct 4, 2011 11:16 PM

    mobetta2020 says: Oct 4, 2011 10:10 PM

    Truth is: The Lions have won eight straight regular season games. The last team to beat the Packers was….The Lions! The bottom line has been wins. But since people wanna analyze losses, cool. The Lions losses last season were by no more than 5 points. That’s to the Bears, who played in the NFC Championship. The Packers (Super Bowl Champs) and Eagles (Playoff team). Hell! Two out of the 4 victories this year were against teams that won 10 games last season. One of which is 3-1 (Buccaneers). They are legit. They are winning games. I know people are slow to change their opinions. I don’t blame them. The Lions have sucked for the past decade. But, that shouldn’t stop you from looking at the facts. The Packers barely beat the lowly Panthers. Does that mean their not legit Super Bowl Champs. This is the NFL. There are usually few blowouts. Games are decided by only a few plays. The Lions are making those plays. Point blank. Period. And no one can deny it!

    —————————————–

    The last team to beat Green Bay wasn’t Detroit, it was New England. And the four teams the Detroit have a combined 6 wins among them. Yep, the Lions are for real.

  166. zenofobe says: Oct 4, 2011 11:26 PM

    As a long time Lions watcher I can, at last, take off my paper bag and say I’m a Lions fan. But they need to correct some things: too many offensive line penalties, not enough rushing yards, the D-line gets fooled time and again by delays and traps, not enough sacks, Stafford still gets hit too much, the secondary has too many brain farts, too many J. Best drops and 1st quarter INTs … but, jeez, they’re 4-0. And they DON’T GIVE UP. No team can feel good with ANY lead against these guys. The Schwarz just needs to fix about half this stuff and, barring injuries, they’re in the playoffs, for sure.

  167. bittersportspills says: Oct 4, 2011 11:39 PM

    “And even if they beat the Bears on Monday night, that just means they’re the second-best team in the NFC North.”
    ==============================
    Last year, the second best team in the NFC North last season won the Super Bowl.

  168. Andre's Johnson says: Oct 4, 2011 11:40 PM

    1) The Bills absolutely are NOT better than the Lions.

    2) Why is Serena Williams wearing Lions gear?

  169. emphericalevidence says: Oct 4, 2011 11:51 PM

    Well, if the Lions are not that good, how come almost all the experts at NFL.com have them ranked at #4 or higher? The Lions beat the Packers last season, with a back up quarterback.

    http://emphericalevidence.blogspot.com/2011/10/week-five-power-rankings.html

  170. alcoholicpotheadHTTR RIP21 says: Oct 4, 2011 11:56 PM

    michael david smith is a complete idiot who just likes to hear himself talk.

    the only thing worse than an idiot is an idiot who thinks hes smart

  171. kappy32 says: Oct 4, 2011 11:59 PM

    The Lions cannot run the ball. Best’s 2 YPC is embarrassing & once the weather changes, they’re going to need to run the ball with more success to win road games. Also, their only chance to go far in the playoffs will be if they play home games. If they’re forced to go to Lambeau or Giants Stadium, they’re going to be in trouble. While they’re a good team, they’re not great. Their game is conducive to warm weather & dome games. Luckily for them, they play half their games in a dome, however they need to become more balanced to be taken seriously. As for the broad who thinks Suh is a better pick than Sanders, she is a prime example of why women are constantly berated & deemed unintelligent when it comes to football. Seriously lady? Sanders is possibly the best running back to ever play the game while Suh hasn’t even played a year and a half. It’s amazing how people react in the face of success when they’re not used to it. The Jets & their fans & writers have been the same way the past couple years. Win a Super Bowl then we’ll talk.

  172. shaggytoodle says: Oct 5, 2011 12:16 AM

    I agree, while they can only play whos on the schedule.

    They beat the Bucs, who had thier hands full with, the Colts lead by Painter, and a young O-line.

    The Chiefs who needed to play the Vikings to get a win.

    Yes those winless Vikings, and an overrated, Cowboys team. They still have SD. NO, Atl, and GB twice.

    Relax a little, but good luck the rest of the season.

  173. 3ghostninja says: Oct 5, 2011 12:27 AM

    I appreciate reining things in a little. When I’m being honest with myself, I know they were lucky to beat the Vikings (4th and 1 and you hand it to Gerhart?!?!) and lucky to beat the Cowboys (thanks, Tony).

    They need to start games well AND finish strong. So far, they’ve done one or the other, in general. Perhaps the KC game is an exception.

    I’d like to see the offense work a little more methodically in the early stages and I’d like to see the defense make a few plays early on. Not picks necessarily, but knocking down a 3rd down pass once in a while wouldn’t hurt.

  174. knewenglander says: Oct 5, 2011 12:44 AM

    they are all ready doing 4 times better than last year….if your lucky rogers will get another concussion,and won’t remember how to throw the ball. go pats!!!!!!!!!!!!

  175. boogiesauce says: Oct 5, 2011 1:06 AM

    The lions could go 16 and 0 and people on here would still be complaining that the lions haven’t beat a real team.

  176. bubbajon46 says: Oct 5, 2011 5:28 AM

    So I guess what your saying is that The Lions are 4-0 and haven’t even played their best football yet…. kinda scary

  177. jimmysee says: Oct 5, 2011 5:32 AM

    We’re thrilled to see all the attention focused on the Lions — just like we were thrilled to see the focus on Philly’s “dream team.”

    Totally takes the focus off us and our own 4-0 start.

    Keep it up. Please.

    —- Packers locker room

  178. dewalt2990 says: Oct 5, 2011 7:07 AM

    comparing the 2009 broncos to these Lions? thats desperate. The broncos had nothing, Jay Cutler(lol), Marshall, Dawkins…the Lions are stacked, All but two starters on offense are 1st and 2nd round picks, and it shows.(#2 in points). The defense is fierce, and pressures with 4 men. and there is depth, and coaching consistency, the 2009 broncos is not an apples to apples comparison. There is no comparison to this Lions team, they might get down early, but theyre never beaten.

  179. brownwood26 says: Oct 5, 2011 7:09 AM

    MDS, you’re better than this. I’m not even close to being a Lions fan, but this post is a total dick move and totally uncalled for (unless, of course, you’re a Packer fan). The hype surrounding the Lions is mostly because they’ve been so putrid for so long that starting a season hot is cause for celebration in and of itself–regardless of who they’ve played or how good you actually perceive them to be.

    I mean, really…show me where anyone outside of Detroit thinks this is a Super Bowl team. I have yet to see anyone say that. This post is the equivolent of berating a high school kid for scoring 40 points in a basketball game because it didn’t come against NCAA or NBA competition…this team is clearly in transition and they’re getting results sooner rather than later. For all the crap that fanbase has been through over the last, oh, 50 years or so, LET THEM ENJOY THE RIDE!

    If you wanna throw water on a team’s hype, try dumping a bucket of ice water on the Cowboys…THAT is a hype machine out of control…

  180. sws222 says: Oct 5, 2011 7:25 AM

    I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I agree with some of what you said. As a 40+ year Lions fan, all I want is a season over .500, and respect for my long suffering team. Do I think we will make the Super Bowl? Realistically, no. Playoffs? Possibly. Do I think the Lions are a top 3 team? No. Top 10? Yes. After beating the Cowboys, I will consider the season a success if teams now have a healthy respect for my team, instead of thinking of them as a laughingstock.
    (And yes, Cowboys fans, we did beat you, however much you wish to remain in denial about it.)

    Go Lions!

  181. 4dabears says: Oct 5, 2011 7:28 AM

    “ESPN’s Jemele Hill is first in line on that front with her column trying to make the case that Ndamukong Suh was a better draft pick for the Lions than Barry Sanders.” …This just goes to show you that women shouldn’t be too involved in men’s sports. What a fool!

  182. ham1 says: Oct 5, 2011 7:30 AM

    Nice pic. With the dreads reminded me of the predator right before Arnold did him in.

  183. southpaw2k says: Oct 5, 2011 8:32 AM

    Wow…sour grapes much?

    The Lions sure aren’t going 16-0 this season, and they may not even make the playoffs (though they certainly stand a good chance of being in the wild card hunt). I don’t see anyone talking Super Bowl aspirations for them either, so I don’t see how they’re being overhyped. Plus, between playing Chicago Monday night and the Falcons in Week 7, I think we’ll have a good idea who the real Lions are come their bye week in Week 9. If they’re 7-1 or – GASP! – 8-0, I don’t think there’s any room for overhyping them.

  184. cmutimmah says: Oct 5, 2011 8:33 AM

    Sounds like the author of this article picked Dallas in his survivor pool this week….

    OOOOOPS!

  185. m2karateman says: Oct 5, 2011 8:34 AM

    I am a Lions fans, and I will say that I feel the Lions are getting more hype than they should. Most of that is because of the fact that they’ve been so bad for so long that the pendulum has swung HARD the other way.
    For those who want to whine about how they’ve won their past two games, it’s proof of the change in the team. While you may say good teams don’t go down by 20 points, bad teams don’t come back from that deficit to win. Good teams sometimes play bad football. Bad teams sometimes play good football.
    The scary thing for other teams should be that the Lions haven’t played their best game yet, and they’re still 4-0. Other teams realize this, other coaches fear this. The Lions have plenty of talent, and if they put it all together, then their opponent will be overwhelmed, unless that opponent is playing their best football and happens to have a greater collection of talent.
    Cowboys fans…you’re ridiculous. Romo played horribly in the last half. But what about your defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator and head coach? Why was Romo throwing the ball, and not handing off? What was Rob Ryan thinking single covering CJ? And why couldn’t three guys surrounding him stop him from catching his first TD pass? You make excuses about Romo, but what about the TERRIBLE first half that Stafford had? Should we tell you that the Cowboys were lucky to have that much of a lead because he couldn’t hit an open receiver?
    Stop blaming Romo. Remember it was YOU fans that wanted Rome to canonize him as a saint (pun intended) after the Redskins game, when he led your team to ZERO touchdowns……

    Talk about fickle.

    Go Lions!

  186. tshirttom says: Oct 5, 2011 8:44 AM

    The Lions are getting the attention for a change but let’s face it, without some terrible ref calls and Ndamukong Sub missing an extra point, the Lions would have finished 9-7 last year with 2nd and 3rd string QBs and there would be less hype and more consideration they are a good team on the way to being an elite team. Bring on Da Bears…you are not gonna be saved by terrible calls this year.

  187. das14 says: Oct 5, 2011 8:56 AM

    The greatest lesson I’ve learned from watching the NE Patriots is you don’t want to draw attention to yourself. Go under the radar. If you get the attention you better keep your heads our you’ll lose them.

  188. EJ says: Oct 5, 2011 9:06 AM

    gosuhgo says:
    Oct 4, 2011 6:02 PM
    skoobyfl says: Oct 4, 2011 5:43 PM

    The Bills are young & have a better all around team than the Lions, that’ll show up after the hype wears off.

    I’d plan on at least one road of the playoffs going through Buffalo, if not 2.
    _______________________
    Alright, the Bills are good but..if you want to look at it from a young core players perspective, they cant touch the Calvin-Suh-Stafford dynamic.

    S.Johnson-Dareus-Fitz-Merriman-A.Williams—The Bills have young dynamic players too!!

  189. comeonnowguys says: Oct 5, 2011 9:14 AM

    “Packers were better than the lions last year, when the lions beat the packers with a third string quarterback in their last game”

    Did you pay any attention to what happened to the other team that day?

  190. sonvar says: Oct 5, 2011 9:20 AM

    If the Lions do beat the Bears on Monday they’ll be the first place team in their division. As they will have 2-0 record in their division and the Packers have only played one division opponent. Regardless, I disagree that the Lions aren’t the best 4-0 team or even in their division until we see the Lions and Packers play against each other. If anything the Packers are as overhyped as the Lions are.

  191. gregjennings85 says: Oct 5, 2011 9:26 AM

    I said it at the time – and was laughed at – the Rams were beyond stupid to pass on a player like Suh for the next top QB in Bradford.

    There are dozens of Bradfords in the league, there is only one Suh.

  192. nyyankeedave says: Oct 5, 2011 9:27 AM

    Seriously, who the HELL runs ESPN?!! Suh v. Barry Sanders?!! BARRY SANDERS!!

  193. wingz101 says: Oct 5, 2011 9:28 AM

    To me the Lions should be a very good team, afterall they have been drafting in the top 10 for what 10 years now? Just Kidding …

    The hype is a little much, especially since in the NFL things can change pretty fast but at the same time, the Lions have done some great things so far and they include:

    1. Going to another “media darling’s” home in Tampa and stoping Freeman and Blount and a pretty solid pash rush.

    2. Trouncing a bad team at home – which is what you are supposed to do. And controlling a pretty solid pass rusher in Hali.

    3. Playing not so well in Minny to start the game, but completely dominating in the second half despite a bad game by the offensive line. And they shut down Peterson pretty effectively in that game.

    4. Going to Dallas, falling behind but then outcoaching and outplaying the Cowboys by a huge margin. What I saw was a Cowboy’s team afraid to run the ball and put their fate in the hands of their defense – that is the only same reason why you keep throwing the ball leading 27-3 in the third quarter. The Boys simply were beaten at their chosen game and on their chosen battlefield.

    The Lions have started slow in all thier games getting picked in TB early, giving up huge chunks on the ground to KC, giving up points to Dallas and Minny. However in all those games they showed they could recover, make adjustments and then score, but also shut down the opposition. They also showed that they have a lot of play makers on both sides of the ball.

    In conclusion, the hype is a little premature, but the start of the season has been impressive.

  194. robertjamis says: Oct 5, 2011 9:29 AM

    While I don’t think the Lions are a great team, sometimes a “good team” gets the appropriate amount of momentum and rises to the occasion.

    The Lions are now 4-0 and they have three consecutive home games. It’s very reasonable to say that they might be 6-2 going into the bye week.

    I think it’s going to come down to if they can ever get their running game going. If they can, they’ll be a major threat. If not, it’s still possible that their fast start gets them to 9-7, or 10-6, which would be a great leap forward for a really woebegone franchise.

    Good for the Lions. They’ve been a joke for years. A little overhype must be nice for their fans.

  195. yatista says: Oct 5, 2011 10:04 AM

    The point is, it is media hype. For the team – and most of the Lion fans – it’s one game at a time. Both know that there is a long way to go before they are an elite team. Good, yes, elite, not yet. I’ve been watching them since 1949.

  196. cornersss says: Oct 5, 2011 10:24 AM

    “Suh already seems to have done something Sanders never could: He’s changed the Lions’ losing culture”

    Really? They were 6-10 last year, and 10-10 since suh has been there. Not a lot of change imo

  197. jasncondit says: Oct 5, 2011 11:06 AM

    Yes and we beat the Cowgirls when we had KITNA and we beat the SB Packers last year with our 3rd string QB and almost beat them in Lambeau with our 2nd string QB.

    Quote:sws222 says:
    Oct 5, 2011 7:25 AM
    I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I agree with some of what you said. As a 40+ year Lions fan, all I want is a season over .500, and respect for my long suffering team. Do I think we will make the Super Bowl? Realistically, no. Playoffs? Possibly. Do I think the Lions are a top 3 team? No. Top 10? Yes. After beating the Cowboys, I will consider the season a success if teams now have a healthy respect for my team, instead of thinking of them as a laughingstock.
    (And yes, Cowboys fans, we did beat you, however much you wish to remain in denial about it.)

    Go Lions!

  198. tystafford says: Oct 5, 2011 12:20 PM

    The Bills?
    notsureifserious

  199. otis52gsh says: Oct 5, 2011 2:50 PM

    Let’s wait until they play a better team than they have before we crown them. I think the bears beat them this week.

  200. freakinehh says: Oct 5, 2011 6:22 PM

    as a die hard lions fan, the last decade has been insufferable. where to even begin? oh i know! well there was millen, moron-wig, Williams ( yes both of them), Charles Rodgers, Harrington, kitna, a few other coaches, ford Sr, and a host of others. lets see we are unbeaten in the last eight, (12 if you count pre season which we made Brady cry like a bitch and beat the bills with our 3rd string). and to you statement that the lions winning can rebuild a beleaguered city, nope your right it cant. but what it can do is give us something to look forward to on Sundays and Mondays too. the fact of the matter is we dont care about the hype, you haven’t seen one Detroit lion anywhere saying ” did you see that?” or “wait till you see what we do next week”. you have hyped us. all we have done is win! you can rain on our parade all you want, it doesn’t bother us cause even if we finish 8-8, we are still better than last year! so piss off douche bag

  201. jlantagneart says: Oct 5, 2011 11:39 PM

    Stop p!$$ing in my Cherios MDS. As a life long Lions fan of 31 years of age, the last time I was this excited for this team was probably 1991 when they went to the NFC championship and lost to the Redskins.

    I can’t describe with words how great it felt to walk around downtown Chicago on Sunday after the game, and in Appleton (30 min south of Green Bay) on Monday decked out in Lions gear and NOBODY said SH!T, other then a few “man Detroit is looking good!” comments. Even if they only finish 9-7 and don’t make the playoffs, that feeling alone will make this season a success to me. The Lions are RESPECTED and FEARED again. It’s been a damn long time since we could say that hasn’t it?

    Are they going to take the NFC North, go 16-0, or win the Super Bowl this year? No, I don’t expect that to happen. The cornbread is in the oven, but I’m not putting sugar in the Honolulu Blue Kool-Aid until they win at least 8. They still have issues on the OL, ST coverage, the running game, and the secondary; and we all know that if Stafford gets injured again they are not the same team. But regardless, they are a team that has been assembling a talented group of players who are finding ways to make plays and WIN GAMES when they need to. The “Same Old Lions” would never have overcome those deficits the last 2 weeks to win.

  202. bigboi30 says: Oct 6, 2011 12:07 AM

    Ok seriously, shut up! How can you ecen compare the best runningback that ever played the game to a DE. She needs to be fired. And not better then the Bills? Come on How did you like that Bengal game? The Packers (i hate) are a great team. No playoff games will go through Buffalo. And the say were over hyped. Who was it who beat the Packers last year and almost cost them the playoffs? Hmmm the Lions. We are on a roll, Stafford has taken nasty hits, but guess what? He still throwing touchdowns. And second half comebacks given to us. Doesnt the defence deserve a little credit. Wasnt it a huge sack on Romo that Squashed the last drive? Or maybe retard Felix Jones running out of bounce. So instead of a great comeback, its all on the other team messing up. All you haters are pathetic losers. Where is the artical “Lions fight back after slow start” “Lions never give up mentality gives them another win”. Wait? Who has the NFLs longest active winning streak? Is it the Saints,Patriots,the fraud Bills, maybe the Packers? Nope it is none other then the Detroit Lions. The Bills get all this credit about coming back from being behind had to make 4INTs on Brady, and all I hear for a week is how great they were, not how Brady gave it to em. So what do the Lions do? Two weeks in a roll fight back from even larger defisets, and all we get is how Romo Choked. Heck yeah Lions fans are hyped. Because no one but us true fans see the team we have. Im not predicting the playoffs yet the superbowl, but every team knows they are in a fight when they play in the Lions den. Lions fans stay strong. And enjoy the ELITE DETROIT LIONS!!!!!!!!!

  203. billsfan007 says: Oct 6, 2011 12:07 AM

    derekjetersmansion says:Oct 4, 2011 7:14 PM

    The scary part is that we really don’t what the Lions’ ceiling is. We know what the Packers are like.

    Good teams come back from two 20-point deficits. Buffalo couldn’t pull that off, and they lost to Cincinnati, who may win 2 more games this year.
    ———————————————————-
    first of all, the Bills came back from two 18 point deficits, one of which was against the Pats.

    I think that its funny how all of the Lion bandwagon fans come out nowhere and start bashing the Bills. So they lost to the Bengals, by 3. If Im not mistaken, the Lions needed OT to beat the vikings, the same vikings that have McNabb, who threw for 40 yards in their first game…..

  204. tufflynx says: Oct 6, 2011 6:57 PM

    OK, I understand you saying there is too much hype about the Lions. If the media is good at anything, they are good at taking everything way too far. The media tries to sensationalize everything.

    I also understand you saying that the Lions have not been very good in the first half of games. That is absolutely true. However, the flip side of that is understanding that the Lions have been so good in the second half of games that they are finding ways to win despite the problems they have had.

    So if the Lions are 4-0 despite not playing their best, what can we expect from them when they finally do hit their stride?

  205. tufflynx says: Oct 6, 2011 7:02 PM

    I would like to point out one other thing that drives me NUTS!

    I really hate the saying that “They haven’t win anything yet.” It is patently false on its face. The Lions have won four games. That isn’t anything?

    Apparently it is good enough to put them in a tie for the lead in their division.

    The four wins are enough to put the Lions high on all the power rankings.

    The four wins are enough to make lemmings in the media go all gaga over them.

    Why don’t you say what you really mean. The Lions do not win the Super Bowl with only four wins. That is the ultimate goal and that is what you are implying. For people that make your living with words, you are horribly lazy with being precise in using them.

  206. spcoltrane says: Oct 7, 2011 8:23 AM

    Apologies in advance if I am repeating another reader’s comments – I didn’t have time to read all 205 posts ahead of mine.

    Mr. Smith’s suggestion that the Lions are not as good as the Packers, Saints, Ravens, and Bills is off course. Only the Lions and Packers are 4-0, but all that means is that each team has beaten its opponent for four weeks. That’s it. Roger Goddell is not going to hand the Vince Lombardi Trophy to William Clay Ford for a 4-0 record. There’s 13 weeks of regular season left. For now, the Lions have been as successful as the Packers, and more successful than all the other teams in the NFL. Trying to extrapolate the playoff standings or Superbowl contenders four weeks into the season is ridiculous.

    As for the “hype” surrounding the Lions, all the hype is coming from the media – outside the Lions organization. Allen Park, MI is very quiet. Neither the Fords, Tom Lewand, nor Martin Mayhew, have said anything about 4-0. The mantra of Jim Schwartz and his players is “we can do better – we have to do better”. Frankly, it’s a refreshing position compared to Rex Ryan’s blathering about the Jets.

    Would I enjoy watching a 10-0 Lions team play a 10-0 Packers team on Thanksgiving – you bet! But I’m going to watch the game regardless of the standings. Would I love to see the Lions go from 0-16 in 2009 to 16-0 in 2011? Absolutely – Disney might even make a movie about it. But as far as being the “better team”, all the Lions fans care about is that the Lions are better than whomever they are playing on any given Sunday (or Monday or Thursday, as the case may be).

  207. nohoodratness says: Oct 7, 2011 1:45 PM

    Michael David Smith, you wanna talk over-hyped? Ever year you have something to say, for a person that never strapped up a day of your life in the NFL. Maybe you’re a over hype analyst.. How about that? you’ll sit here, and say that the Bills, and Patriots are better teams then The lions, regardless of preseason or not, the Lions beat the Bills, and the Pats.. And Buffalo beat the Pats.. No matter how Detroit won, a win is a win no matter how ugly the game was..

  208. kingmj4891 says: Oct 8, 2011 10:10 AM

    Go Lions!!!!!!

    MDS = Idiot

  209. bucwild05 says: Oct 8, 2011 8:23 PM

    I am not a lions fan, however, I like to watch them, as I always root for the underdog. The Lions have never been to the BIG GAME, and I would love to see it, however, I have to be real here…. This is my prediction of how this season will go for them… Non-bias, and not drinking the kool-aide.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers (barely won)
    KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (blow out)
    Minnesota Vikings (barely won in OT)
    Dallas Cowboys (Romo gave them the game)
    CHICAGO BEARS…………………. loss
    SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS……… loss
    ATLANTA FALCONS …………… loss
    Denver Broncos …………………….. win
    *** BYE WEEK ***
    Chicago Bears ……………………….. loss
    CAROLINA PANTHERS ………. win
    GREEN BAY PACKERS ………… BLOWN OUT
    New Orleans Saints ………………. loss
    MINNESOTA VIKINGS ………. win, maybe
    Oakland Raiders …………………… loss
    SAN DIEGO CHARGERS …….. win
    Green Bay Packers ………………. loss

    Final: 8-8 and miss play offs.

  210. phoenixsong17 says: Oct 8, 2011 10:11 PM

    God forbid you allow the Lions and us fans to enjoy a little success after years of hell…

  211. comeonnowguys says: Oct 10, 2011 2:57 PM

    @buc

    Packers blow the Lions in Detroit, but not in January in Green Bay?

    IMO, it’s misguided to lay out schedules like they’re formalities. There’s a reason that “on any given Sunday…” is a cliche.

  212. sickliq says: Oct 11, 2011 12:42 AM

    @buc

    So far so good man. I’m going to put some stock into the rest of your list, which I didn’t read.

  213. overtcops says: Oct 12, 2011 5:04 AM

    MDS… who won and is 5-0 now? You don’ t have to buy the hype, it’s all over you already.

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