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Hines Ward: Steelers offense has to carry team

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Heading into the season, a small decline from the aging Steelers defense was fair to expect. That’s happened thus far.

I thought the emerging Pittsburgh passing attack would make up for any defensive decline.  That hasn’t happened at all.

“It’s time for the offense to step up and carry this team because the defense has carried us for many years now. And now they’re going through this situation,” Hines Ward told Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. “We need to be there for our teammates and for this organization, we have to go out and make more plays.”

Forget about carrying the team.  Start with not ruining the team.  The Steelers offense has more giveaways than any team in the league. They have given up the third-most amount of sacks in the league.  The offensive line has rotated spare parts, and they don’t run block well.

Pittsburgh’s defense has been run over at times, but they’ve played well enough since the Week One meltdown.

The offense has been the bigger problem by far, and that doesn’t figure to change Sunday. The Titans have given up the fewest points in the league.

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  1. steelerfanjo says: Oct 7, 2011 10:23 AM

    The offense can’t score, can’t run and we have the human numbskull in Bruce Arians calling plays. I love Hines, but he better hope the D steps up.

  2. squirrelyfries says: Oct 7, 2011 10:25 AM

    This ain’t my grandpappy’s Pittsburgh Steelers.

  3. jacunn2000 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:26 AM

    UH OH!!! Where are you at Mr. 7thlombardieontheway”??????
    Sounds like the mighty Steelers are on their way to a 16 game season!

  4. deadeye says: Oct 7, 2011 10:27 AM

    Pittsburgh will be fine. This year might be a down year, which for them is 9-7. Draft some o-linemen and they’ll be back on top rather quickly.

  5. farmermonkey says: Oct 7, 2011 10:27 AM

    Most misleading story headline ever. Hope people take the time to read the quote.

  6. ravenshaterssuckdonkeydick says: Oct 7, 2011 10:28 AM

    Wow, they’re in trouble if that offense, including that offensive line, has to carry this team.

    Wines Hard better start cheap shotting safeties a little more if he expects to help.

  7. Land Snark says: Oct 7, 2011 10:28 AM

    ROFLCOPTER

    They’ll be in their own league for sure. I hear the Big East would take them in a heartbeat.

  8. countsnail says: Oct 7, 2011 10:31 AM

    That includes Ward too. He’s getting older, true, but he has been a virtual non factor in the #2 WR spot.

    Mike Wallace from 60 Minutes would be a better compliment for Mike Wallace than Hines Ward currently is.

  9. Land Snark says: Oct 7, 2011 10:31 AM

    Having said that, it’s good to see Ward be a decent teammate who is circling the wagons rather than pointing fingers.

  10. stoogy says: Oct 7, 2011 10:34 AM

    Is the best blocking widereciever (When opponents aren’t looking) going to play left tackle?

  11. peytonwantsaflag says: Oct 7, 2011 10:35 AM

    Did you inadvertently publish Hines’ arrest report because he sounds like he’s higher than hell. He’s blaming the defense?

    what a bitch slap.

  12. bigshirk says: Oct 7, 2011 10:36 AM

    Well the D has carried them the last 5 years

  13. waxthat says: Oct 7, 2011 10:38 AM

    Nothing wrong with what Hines said. It’s true.

  14. stoogy says: Oct 7, 2011 10:38 AM

    Maybe he should work on speed and agility drives. good God Casey Hamptons faster then this guy.

  15. bigshirk says: Oct 7, 2011 10:39 AM

    I hate the Eagles

  16. stoogy says: Oct 7, 2011 10:40 AM

    #drills

  17. fofofotey says: Oct 7, 2011 10:44 AM

    Too bad blind side blocks don’t get you any points.

  18. holeinone09 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:44 AM

    This article came out yesterday. Although the article noted the lack of the defense being to stop the run game recently (although it turns out they are no. 1 in the league against the pass, maybe due to the running success teams are having against them), Hines was PRIMARILY referring to a couple things. Number one, Harrison and Smith would be out for the defense, really hurting that unit. Second, the offense is capable of playing much better than it has and they need to step it up.

    I sure didn’t get the idea that Hines was blaming the defense for anything. Before people make comments, try to actually read the story instead of PFT’s abbreviated butchering of the entire story.

  19. thesportsguy52 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:45 AM

    Go Titans.

  20. bullybirds says: Oct 7, 2011 10:45 AM

    This team isn’t built to be offense first on a everygame basis. Not with the way Ben plays for 3 out of the 4 quarters.

  21. ppdoc13 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:46 AM

    $hit happens. it is a down year for the steelers. they need to totally remake thier OL except for Pouncey and they need to get rid of everyone on their defense that is over 30. They have some work to do. But, hell they have had a very good run. The Ravens/Steelers game is still the best rivalry in football.

  22. humbleminded85 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:46 AM

    In other news, the 7thlombardi guy has a small willy. Rumor has it that his right hand is thinking about writing a “tell all” book.

  23. peytonwantsaflag says: Oct 7, 2011 10:48 AM

    “Most misleading story headline ever. Hope people take the time to read the quote”

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    What are you talking about monkey? The headline is taken DIRECTLY from the quote. Hines is an idgit.

  24. baltimorons says: Oct 7, 2011 10:50 AM

    “…and Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders and Ben Roethlisberger have to carry me because I can only get open when a play breaks down and Ben is on the run.”

    Weinz Hard

  25. citizenstrange says: Oct 7, 2011 10:53 AM

    When the Steelers have the number one defense in the entire NFL – the absolute best number one – Roethlisberger can squeak out the 13-10 wins and make it to the Super Bowl and even win the Super Bowl.

    When the Steelers slip to say the number five defense in the entire NFL – which is still pretty good – Roethlisberger can’t even get them into the playoffs.

    Roethlisberger has NEVER been able to carry the Steelers and NEVER will. For all the talk about him extending plays it doesn’t show up on the scoreboard.

    10 points against the Texans who just gave up 40 to the Saints the week before? Typical.

    GO STEELERS!

  26. steelerdynasty2010 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:56 AM

    why do so many of you come here looking for 7thlombardieontheway to comment? you do realize he’s just an agitator (and a very good one judging by all the followers he has of his comments) who probably isnt even a steeler fan. he doesnt represent the rest of us, so……ignore him like the rest of us do..his greatest joy is to revisit the pages he comments on and see you all get bent out of shape over his comments.

  27. Mike Tomlin says: Oct 7, 2011 10:56 AM

    no mention that they are 2-2 and 1 game out of first place? suprise…

  28. ravenfan820 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:57 AM

    So besides being a dancer Hines is now a comedian also……

  29. pigskinswag says: Oct 7, 2011 10:58 AM

    Roethlisberger has caught a nasty case of turnoveritis, The offensive line is a revolving door, and you have Rashard Mendenfall running the ball. The offenses from the Super Bowl seasons could have carried the Steelers, but not this one. Their only hope is that Ward’s comments fires up the defense and they start playing like the Steelers of old instead of some old Steelers.

  30. tluke25 says: Oct 7, 2011 11:01 AM

    Critics are making a bigger deal out of the Steelers’ age than what it should. They have drafted remarkably well over the last couple seasons and there are plenty of great players ready to soon step in. Soon enough people will hear about guys like Jason Worlids, Ziggy Hood, and Cameron Hayward, just like they’re now finding out about Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown. People are nuts if they think the Steelers are going to be taking a step back.

  31. cardmagnet says: Oct 7, 2011 11:10 AM

    Hines Ward is the appendix of the Steelers offense. At one point, he served a purpose, but everyone has since forgot what it was as he has been dormant for quite some time.

  32. stoogy says: Oct 7, 2011 11:17 AM

    Hines should be benched

  33. latrobe21 says: Oct 7, 2011 11:18 AM

    Hines,

    I appreciate you getting your message out to the fans. Before talking to Ed, did you discuss this with the o-line? That is the appropriate audience. I hope you told them to have some Steelers pride and man up !

  34. scoops1 says: Oct 7, 2011 11:20 AM

    Old, Slow…and ITS OVER!!!!

  35. steelerstom says: Oct 7, 2011 11:21 AM

    I love to read the idiotic ramblings of uneducated fans from other NFL teams, it is entertaining!
    1. It’s way to early to put a fork in anyone .500 or better! Especially this year with abbreviated training camps.
    2. They won’t be crowning anyone champions in week 5 so settle down there’s a long way to go yet.
    3. Start your talking when the team you root for has been in 3 SB’s in 7 years with 2 Lombardi trophies. Until then crawl back under the rock from which you came; along with all the other unintelligable life forces of this world.

  36. CKL says: Oct 7, 2011 11:21 AM

    citizenstrange says:
    Oct 7, 2011 10:53 AM
    When the Steelers have the number one defense in the entire NFL – the absolute best number one – Roethlisberger can squeak out the 13-10 wins and make it to the Super Bowl and even win the Super Bowl.

    When the Steelers slip to say the number five defense in the entire NFL – which is still pretty good – Roethlisberger can’t even get them into the playoffs.

    Roethlisberger has NEVER been able to carry the Steelers and NEVER will. For all the talk about him extending plays it doesn’t show up on the scoreboard.

    _______________________________
    Agreed…when they had another down year on D (06) he threw a ton of INTS. He’s never proven he can carry a team (keep them competitive)with an average to below average D. He might be able to, but he hasn’t shown it yet. Not necessarily by RECORD but by play. Example. Aaron Rodgers in 08. The team’s defense was poor but he kept them in games even though he was maybe 75% of the QB he is now (by far the best under 30 YO QB in the NFL IMO) If BR wants to do that, IMO he is going to need to concentrate on the mental aspects of his position more because right now he’s mostly a seat of the pants/athleticism/arm strength guy. Making 5 big plays a game is fine and helps win when you have a great D. It isn’t when you don’t. Consistency & decision making is what it’s about. He’s a better passer (accuracy wise) than what he gets credit for so he’s CAPABLE…but hasn’t shown it yet.

    Steelers draft well and have young guys on D who can step in. Until they play/practice better than the older guys starting, or they get a shot due to injury they won’t get to play and thus improve, but they will be fine eventually IMO.

  37. steelerstom says: Oct 7, 2011 11:26 AM

    One of my favorite quotes: You can’t argue with ignorance, they’ll only drag you down to there level and beat you with experience!

  38. grilledjesus says: Oct 7, 2011 11:31 AM

    The steelers are in a turn over year. It happens to every team in the NFL. The simple fact is they are still a very competitive team while rebuilding the pieces that need it. Not too many teams in the league can say that. There’s quite a few teams that have been trying to rebuild forever. I say kudos to their front office for not having to go through a complete rebuild.

    p.s. I hate the Steelers, just giving credit where it’s due.

  39. Soulman45 says: Oct 7, 2011 11:32 AM

    Steelers have reach that time, to rebuild.

  40. humbleminded85 says: Oct 7, 2011 11:32 AM

    @citizenstrange Good points there but I’d have to say as a Raven fan I think Ben is a warrior who finds a way to win most times. That defense didn’t put that historic superbowl drive on Arizona a few years back, Ben and Co did. That crazy game vs Bmore a few years ago when he scrambled for what felt like ten minutes, and completeted that incredible game winning TD to Holmes that barely crossed the goalline(and yes it crossed the line) Not trying to compare the two, but Flacco and Ben are really alot alike in a sense that you almost go into the game hoping that they don’t try to necessarly win the game for thier respective teams, but more or less try to not lose the game. Well at least thats how Flacco makes me feel sometimes lol

  41. enders9 says: Oct 7, 2011 11:45 AM

    steelerstom says: Oct 7, 2011 11:21 AM

    3. Start your talking when the team you root for has been in 3 SB’s in 7 years with 2 Lombardi trophies. Until then crawl back under the rock from which you came; along with all the other unintelligable life forces of this world.

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    If you are going to question the intelligence of others you should at least spell the word right.

    Remind me how those Lombardi trophies are going to help you win games this year? The Steelers have not looked good this season and a couple of trophies they won several years ago isn’t going to help turn that around.

  42. dickroy says: Oct 7, 2011 11:48 AM

    Well the passing game might have emerged and the running game also, if we had an offensive line that could get out of its own way.

  43. ravensos says: Oct 7, 2011 11:50 AM

    might want to get a jumpstart on that SFL (Steeler Football League) because doing anything in the NFL 2011-2012 is a lost cause for the Steelers.

  44. quittsburghstoolers says: Oct 7, 2011 11:58 AM

    I think old Wardsie is forgetting the fact that the offense has troubles of their own.

    They need to worry about fixing their own problems and let the defense fix theirs.

    How does he expect the offense to “carry the defense” when the offense isn’t doing very well, either?

    Their offense is in no condition to carry themselves, let alone cover up for the defense.

    I think Hiney needs to stop drinking that piss yellow & black koolaid the Steeler fans and media are giving him…

  45. nflofficeadmin says: Oct 7, 2011 11:59 AM

    Your puny little trophies from yesteryear mean nothing right now. Time to rebuild and focus on what is in front of you… or by all means, live in the past! hahaha

  46. peytonwantsaflag says: Oct 7, 2011 12:01 PM

    “Remind me how those Lombardi trophies are going to help you win games this year? The Steelers have not looked good this season and a couple of trophies they won several years ago isn’t going to help turn that around.”

    Stealer fans have a habit of always looking behind – it comes from all that b-effin they do out behind the dumpster.

  47. stoogy says: Oct 7, 2011 12:11 PM

    24-16 TITANS CJ 135 yards. BR 5 sacks 1 ints 1TD

  48. carnboys says: Oct 7, 2011 12:14 PM

    Steelers got to comforable with the old players. They did not draft well. They need to trade Hines Ward and get some picks next year and rebuild……..

    Go Ravens!

  49. Deb says: Oct 7, 2011 12:20 PM

    No matter what changes in football one constant remains: Games are won and lost in the trenches. As long as the Steelers rely on the offensive-line play we’ve seen the last two weeks, we’ll have multiple turnovers and an ineffective passing game. No QB can be swarmed play after play and be expected to make good decisions. It’s just not going to happen.

    Aging may explain some of our issues on defense, but it doesn’t explain why Timmons and Woodley are having a poor year. And our issues with stopping the run aren’t going to be resolved when the offense keeps going three and out, leaving the defense on the field to the point of exhaustion.

    The problems on both sides of the ball have to be worked from the lines out.

  50. holeinone09 says: Oct 7, 2011 1:02 PM

    citizenstrange and CKL:

    Re: Ben, I appreciate your viewpoints and reasons, but would generally disagree with you. While clearly Ben has made mental mistakes, otehr than maybe his early years he basically has not ever had a solid offensive line in front of him. And the past 2-3 years it has gotten worse as far as protection is concerned. Sure, they have had a lot of injuries, but the fact is the protection for whatever reason has gone down. With that, sacks, hits causing fumbles, rushed plays, poor passes and INTs have gone up. The way I look at it, if almost any other QB in the league maybe other than Brady was inserted into the offense the past 4-5 years, I don’t think they would have done as well as Ben has. And quite frankly, I don’t think they would have played as many games because they would have been likely injured more often. I for once would love to see what Ben would do if he had a running game that actually picked up some yardage this year to take the pressure off of having to pass to go anywhere, and for him to be able to stand back there for a few seconds longer to let the play develop. I really would like to see what would happen then.

    GO STEELERS!!

  51. holeinone09 says: Oct 7, 2011 1:06 PM

    Deb:

    Agree with you, especially about Woodley. Don’t understand how he can drop off in production so much. No mention of any injury. He is not getting penetration, and he is missing tackles. With Harrison out, his contributions become even more important.

    GO STEELERS!!

  52. richm2256 says: Oct 7, 2011 1:42 PM

    grilledjesus says:
    The steelers are in a turn over year. It happens to every team in the NFL.
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    The Patriots were in such a rebuilding year last year, and went 14-2.

    Just sayin’

  53. steelerdynasty2010 says: Oct 7, 2011 1:53 PM

    you haters are amazingly angry and bitter people. you come out in droves when we have a bad game/season, but are interestingly absent when we are successful (an overwhelming majority of the time) even though you hate our team, facts are facts and they state that we have won 6 championships, 2 of which were won in the last 6 years. we played in the sb just 9 months ago, and as poorly as we played, were one possession away from winning. yes, our team is not playing well so far this season, it’s the nfl, it happens sometimes. nothing you say will tarnish the fact that we lead/tie the league in sb appearances and victories. there are only a select few people who constantly reference our past championships, and they are usually just agitators on here to get a rise out of you (which you consistently fall for). also, there’s never a shortage of clowns who get on here and reference steroids of the ’70s, Ben’s off field stuff, etc. so you cant have it both ways. if you can reference the past, so can we.
    @citizenstrange:
    somewhat valid points, but i’d say our suspect line has more to do with ben’s poor decision making and play than his inability to play at a high level. playing qb isnt too easy when you CONSTANTLY have to worry about who missed a block. if you need proof of this, look at manning and brady (two qbs who are without question better than ben) when defenses are able to apply pressure. dude’s constantly running for his life back there, not to mention our OC is an idiot with his play calling. we hadnt won ANY SBs between Terry and Ben, and only made one other appearance before Ben arrived. We’ve had strong defenses for many of those years, but the problem was the qb position. Hate him as a person if you like, call him a rapist, or whatever else makes you feel better, just give the man the credit he’s earned. he’s a winner and he wins football games. it’s not about how you win, it’s about whether or not you win.

  54. cannonballdookie says: Oct 7, 2011 2:00 PM

    People who are getting on Hines Ward need to realize Antonio Brown is in fact cutting into his playing time significantly this season. He’s been our #2 WR for the most part. Hines’ best value at this point is leadership and he still has good enough hands and will catch a few passes over the middle, but they haven’t been shy with their use of Sanders and Brown, and Brown should vastly outproduce Ward this season.

  55. miketomlinssteelers10 says: Oct 7, 2011 2:14 PM

    I can’t believe the o-line is being blamed for all the sacks/hits and int’s…Ben is as much at fault for not hitting the short passes that is there as well as holding the ball too long. Yes they need to run block better but come on!He’s trying real hard to throw deep too much. Redman was doing a good job to start the 2nd half and they got away from him with the pass..”Coach” Tomlin and “Coach”Arians need to adjust to the flow of the game..I miss the “Chin”..
    Just saying..

  56. steelerdynasty2010 says: Oct 7, 2011 2:17 PM

    @richm2256:
    1. it would take a miracle, but we could finish with the same record.
    2. how’d they do in the playoffs?

  57. caseyanthonymunoz says: Oct 7, 2011 2:31 PM

    Karma. First the SB choke now this. That’s what happens when you have a repeat sex offender taking your snaps. Justice.

  58. deebo92 says: Oct 7, 2011 2:55 PM

    Hines, if by make more plays you mean a mini miracle then yes, we need to make more plays. It has not looked good. People have been saying for years the D is old but this year we actually look it. Harrison’s injured…Woodley has disappeared…offensive line by committee…making the game interesting against lesser opponents… This could be a long year…or a short year? Anyway, you’re pickin up what I’m droppin.

  59. dickroy says: Oct 7, 2011 2:57 PM

    You can’t believe the o-line is being blamed for all the sacks?

    They usually are when the QB takes the snap and has to scramble for his life. There are a few on Ben, but most sacks are on the offensive line.

  60. steelerstom says: Oct 7, 2011 3:17 PM

    Hey enders9

    Sorry my spelling error caused you distress, but I do believe the discussion was and still is about football knowledge!
    Please see my second posting at 11:26 A.M. I think I know where you fall. YOU WIN!!!! Experience always pays off.

    As for the rest of you and the comments downgrading SB trophies I only ask two questions:
    1. Why do they play the game?
    2. Who has the most of those “meaningless” trophies?

    Thanks for playing along!

    As for this season I can only say time will tell. Have they looked good? Most of the time no. Can they get better? Certainly. Do they have all the tools to compete? For sure. Will they compete? I don’t know, but if they can get healthy I wouldn’t count them out. As for the Lombardi trophies helping out this year, in the context that you’re saying it, they can’t. But, I’m sure the experience of playing in playoffs and winning SB’s, help any team that participate in them. So in that context knowing how to get there and what it takes, yes those trophies(experiences) will help.

  61. Deb says: Oct 7, 2011 3:17 PM

    grilledjesus says:
    The steelers are in a turn over year. It happens to every team in the NFL.
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    We’re not in a rebuilding year. Wish we had attempted to rebuild that line. Gilbert was thrown in because of Colon’s injury–that wasn’t by design. Where exactly are we rebuilding?

    But richm2256, with the Pats dropping in the first round of the playoffs every year, I wouldn’t get too excited about that 14-2.

  62. enders9 says: Oct 7, 2011 4:28 PM

    @steelerstom

    Your irony caused me no distress, I just thought it was hilarious that you would question the intelligence of others when you couldn’t even spell the word correctly. But hey spin it in whatever way makes you feel smart.

    So you’re saying that the trophies help you this year because of experience? How has that experience paid off so far this season? Oh wait, it wasn’t… the Steelers have played like crap.

    As far as football knowledge, you haven’t displayed any as of yet.

  63. Deb says: Oct 7, 2011 5:54 PM

    miketomlinssteelers10 says:
    I can’t believe the o-line is being blamed for all the sacks/hits and int’s…Ben is as much at fault for not hitting the short passes that is there as well as holding the ball too long. … I miss the “Chin”..
    ———————————————-
    Ben deserves criticism for a lot of things, but failing to release the ball fast enough in the last two weeks isn’t one of them. Go back to those games and try timing how long he has from the snap to make a read and get the ball out. Honey, he’s made some wild plays through the years, but he’s no miracle worker. And interesting that you’re named for Tomlin but miss the Chin. Bill couldn’t make a silk purse out of the sows on this offensive line either.

    dickroy says:

    You can’t believe the o-line is being blamed for all the sacks?
    ————————————————
    I’m getting the impression many of these folks don’t know what an o-line does (or should be doing). However, they do know how to parrot an old criticism even when it’s not applicable ;)

  64. axespray says: Oct 7, 2011 6:27 PM

    “I thought the emerging Pittsburgh passing attack …”

    With Big Ben? ….Passing Attack?
    Steeler offense having to carry their Defense?

    am I High at the moment or in the twlight zone?

  65. quittsburghstoolers says: Oct 8, 2011 3:58 AM

    axespray says:Oct 7, 2011 6:27 PM

    “Am I high at the moment or in the Twlight Zone?”

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    Neither because you haven’t been drinking the Steeler Koolaid their fans consume by the gallon…

  66. steelerdynasty2010 says: Oct 8, 2011 9:36 AM

    @quittsburghstoolers :
    what?! as a fan of the steelers, who else’s Koolaid should we be drinking? let me guess, we should only support our team when things are going well and/or other teams’ fans think we should. pretty sure there’s a name out there for that kind of fan…..anyone?

  67. quittsburghstoolers says: Oct 8, 2011 1:55 PM

    steelerdynasty2010 says:Oct 8, 2011 9:36 AM

    @quittsburghstoolers :
    what?! as a fan of the steelers, who else’s Koolaid should we be drinking? let me guess, we should only support our team when things are going well and/or other teams’ fans think we should. pretty sure there’s a name out there for that kind of fan…..anyone?

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    How’s about NOT drinking the Koolaid the rest of the homers are drinking?

    When my sports teams are bad or their players aren’t behaving properly, I call them on it. I don’t make excuses for them or ignore the problems. Only blind homers do that. True fans don’t.

    And I sure as hell don’t post lame, homerific statements like “GO STEELERS” in every post. Stuff like that is fine if you happen to be like 10 or 12 years old but come on, these guys here that are doing this are lots older than that.

    The Steelers look to be in big trouble. Their future for this year & the next couple looks to be bleak. They are old at several key positions and they are also just plain terrible at several other key positions. Their salary cap doesn’t look too good so fixing thing via free agency seems unlikely. That leaves the draft, which will probably take 2 or 3 years and a lot of wise selections to fix.

    Pittsburgh has had a good team for a while but they dropped the ball when it came to key elements of having a team that is continues to stay good: they didn’t maintain a great offensive or defensive line. They have to fix these things and on top of that, they have other problems to fix.

    They have enough decent players to be at least a mediocre team, one that is just good enough to make their homer fans believe the team may do something great. Trouble is, once injuries hit certain guys, this average team will be real bad.

    Bottom line is the team needs a major overhaul in several places. And their fickle fans don’t wanna hear it or believe it. They’ve been too spoiled by success…

  68. miketomlinssteelers10 says: Oct 8, 2011 3:42 PM

    Deb says:Oct 7, 2011 5:54 PM

    miketomlinssteelers10 says:
    I can’t believe the o-line is being blamed for all the sacks/hits and int’s…Ben is as much at fault for not hitting the short passes that is there as well as holding the ball too long. … I miss the “Chin”..
    ———————————————-
    Ben deserves criticism for a lot of things, but failing to release the ball fast enough in the last two weeks isn’t one of them. Go back to those games and try timing how long he has from the snap to make a read and get the ball out. Honey, he’s made some wild plays through the years, but he’s no miracle worker. And interesting that you’re named for Tomlin but miss the Chin. Bill couldn’t make a silk purse out of the sows on this offensive line either.

    dickroy says:

    You can’t believe the o-line is being blamed for all the sacks?
    ————————————————
    I’m getting the impression many of these folks don’t know what an o-line does (or should be doing). However, they do know how to parrot an old criticism even when it’s not applicable

    @Deb,I like Mike Tomlin as coach that’s why I used his name,I support the Rooney’s for hiring him. I just wish he would get in the face of his coordinators like B.C. would,remember the spit flying all over?That’s what I mean,not a firing just some motivation and fear to do their job.It seems like they need a fire lit under them. That O-line has NO IDENITY at all(injuries/releases)..That’s why the Ben-Arians show is getting stale..They’ll get some movement with runs and then leave it for 5 wide or Hines bubble screen..Ben does’nt have to be “miracle worker”just manage the game.I’ve watched the 4 games and to avoid a sack because of crappy blocking all he had to do was throw the ball in row 10 or hit the short receiver but he has too much pride and will take a beating..
    I’ve been a fan for 41 years and will continue to be one..but I’ll speak my mind just like the rest of the football fans. I call ‘em as I see ‘em.
    Just Saying….
    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STEELERS!!!!!!

  69. Deb says: Oct 8, 2011 5:12 PM

    @miketomlinssteelers10 …

    Will never fault a fan for speaking his mind … but reserve the right to disagree ;) You have me beat by a few years. I’ve been a diehard Steelers fan 34 years. I love Tomlin, too, but as Cowher did, he aggravates me sometimes. And Ben aggravates me a lot. But there were only a couple of times in last week when I think he could have gotten rid of the ball and took an unnecessary sack. In fairness, on those occasions, he was desperately trying to make something happen because he rarely got the opportunity in that game.

    I did not care for our previous o-line coach Zierlein, and felt he did a poor job of schooling players on blocking schemes. But I like Sean Kugler. He’s known for his attention to detail. The problem now is lack of talent, which Tomlin and Colbert should have addressed in the off season. They couldn’t have anticipated losing Willie–and I agreed initially with the decision to let Gilbert get his feet wet. But that’s because I assumed they’d drafted a more talented player than they had. And I hoped Jonathan Scott knew what he was doing. He doesn’t.

    So in this case, I don’t think Cowher chewing out Kugler would help. He, Colbert, Arians, and Kugler need to be looking around the league and seeing how they can get their hands on some alternative talent. As for Arians’s play-calling, what can I say? He has a lot of positives, but he can’t seem to improvise when things go wrong. We know that, opposing teams know that, and you’d think Tomlin would know that. But there he is, sticking with the program even after it’s been shut down. :(

  70. miketomlinssteelers10 says: Oct 9, 2011 12:25 PM

    @ Deb, That’s a fair statement Deb. I know what you’re saying and agree. I just want to see some fire in these players,Woodley and company included. We have got to get that O-line straightened out as well as the staff putting us in a position to get better. I wish Flozell would sign with us to also mentor the young guys.
    But win or lose…I love my Steelers and always will. Hopefully today starts a winning streak!!!!
    Goooooooooooo STEELERS!!!!!

  71. steelerdynasty2010 says: Oct 9, 2011 1:09 PM

    @quittsburghstoolers:

    “When my sports teams are bad or their players aren’t behaving properly, I call them on it. I don’t make excuses for them or ignore the problems. Only blind homers do that. True fans don’t.”

    - so you’re an admitted fair weather fan. cant respect that, but at least you’re honest. FYI, true fans dont automatically call for the heads of the players they root for week in and week out simply because they are “misbehaving” as you call it. They’re adults who are free to make whatever decisions they choose. speaking of 10 or 12 year olds, arent you a little old to be looking at these guys as your role models? i chose the steelers because they’re the team in the city i was born and raised in, not because of their humanitarian efforts. i have continued to support them because i like the way they PLAY FOOTBALL. when they “misbehave” i leave it to the law and their employer to discipline them, not my moral compass. neither of us is in a position to dictate to other grown men how to live their lives. if you dont like who they put on the field, by all means, find another wagon to jump on.
    - where are all these “blind homers” who are making excuses for the team? please dont reference 7thlombardi……, he’s an agitator, not a representative. i dont think that anyone disputes that our O-line leaves a lot to be desired when they’re healthy, and are downright pitiful when they’re injured and rotating starters every 10 plays due to injury. I dont know of anyone who disputes that our run D has to improve, we arent getting pressure on the qb, and that we still have issues in our defensive secondary.

    “And I sure as hell don’t post lame, homerific statements like “GO STEELERS” in every post. Stuff like that is fine if you happen to be like 10 or 12 years old but come on, these guys here that are doing this are lots older than that.”

    - shame that such an simple statement bothers you so much, seems a little trivial to get so worked up over, but i guess that’s just you reflecting your maturity.

    “The Steelers look to be in big trouble. Their future for this year & the next couple looks to be bleak. They are old at several key positions and they are also just plain terrible at several other key positions. Their salary cap doesn’t look too good so fixing thing via free agency seems unlikely. That leaves the draft, which will probably take 2 or 3 years and a lot of wise selections to fix.”

    - so says you and the rest of the haters. yes, we have some older players, but they’re only 9 months older than they were when they played in the most recent SB. being old doesnt make you play poorly, playing poorly makes you look old, and right now, we are playing poorly. not finishing tackles, not playing gap sound, overpursuing and creating cutback lanes, etc. are all symptoms of our poor play and thus the reason everyone wants to point to age as the reason why. it’s just a silly argument. of all teams, the steelers will cut you loose if they think you’re too old (see declining skills) to get it done.

    “Pittsburgh has had a good team for a while but they dropped the ball when it came to key elements of having a team that is continues to stay good: they didn’t maintain a great offensive or defensive line. They have to fix these things and on top of that, they have other problems to fix.”

    - i’ll give you that. not as worried about our d-line as i am about our o-line. we have hood and heyward coming along, so i think we’ll be good there. other problems like CB? we can agree on that.

    “They have enough decent players to be at least a mediocre team, one that is just good enough to make their homer fans believe the team may do something great. Trouble is, once injuries hit certain guys, this average team will be real bad.”

    - same could be said of many teams

    “They’ve been too spoiled by success…”
    - i can think of worse problems

  72. dmobey says: Oct 9, 2011 1:13 PM

    Ward’s carrying enough weight. He shouldn’t have to carry the team too.

  73. miketomlinssteelers10 says: Oct 9, 2011 2:34 PM

    By the way I’m 48 years old and am a “True Fan” of my favorite team and will cheer for them even in a loss.

  74. Deb says: Oct 9, 2011 2:53 PM

    @miketomlinssteelers10 …

    I don’t get into the blog nonsense of true or false fans. I’ve loved the team with all my heart for 34 years. I spend the same amount of money on merchandise in good years and bad, proudly proclaim my loyalty in good years and bad, offer the same honest critiques of the team in good years and bad. They’re family to me. If my family does something stupid, I’ll tell them just like I’d expect them to tell me. But I’ll love them anyway and never waver in my loyalty. To me, it goes without saying that you cheer and support your team even in a loss. That doesn’t mean you can’t comment on where they need to improve or tell them they’d be better off making adjustments (like getting rid of former offensive-line coach Zierlein).

  75. miketomlinssteelers10 says: Oct 9, 2011 3:47 PM

    @ Deb,

    Deb says:Oct 9, 2011 2:53 PM

    @miketomlinssteelers10 …

    I don’t get into the blog nonsense of true or false fans. I’ve loved the team with all my heart for 34 years. I spend the same amount of money on merchandise in good years and bad, proudly proclaim my loyalty in good years and bad, offer the same honest critiques of the team in good years and bad. They’re family to me. If my family does something stupid, I’ll tell them just like I’d expect them to tell me. But I’ll love them anyway and never waver in my loyalty. To me, it goes without saying that you cheer and support your team even in a loss. That doesn’t mean you can’t comment on where they need to improve or tell them they’d be better off making adjustments (like getting rid of former offensive-line coach Zierlein).

    @Deb, sorry that comment wasn’t meant for you . I don’t question your love of the Steelers. I’m tired of comments saying what to say and not to say when I speak of the team. I made a comment about Ben being a problem w/ the o-line and all of sudden I don’t know blocking. I played high school as well as college football and I know a thing or two about blocking or qbs holding ball too long and not taking short passes. Today there running and winning w/ that suspect line. Imagine that.

  76. Deb says: Oct 9, 2011 4:31 PM

    @miketomlinssteelers10 …

    Oh, sorry LOL Yes, that line did play well. Welcome back, Max!! I was counting how much time both Ben and Hasselbeck were getting in the pocket, and the Steelers really upped their game from last week. But when Scott came in for Gilbert we took a step back. Started losing more than a full second. We still need more depth on the line. Scott just doesn’t have what it takes at this point.

    Yes, Ben does hold the ball too long sometimes, but most of the people who post that are just parroting something they’ve heard and throwing it out to slam Roethlisberger. They have no idea what they’re talking about, and it gets old hearing it. Ben does many things to irritate me, but that pocket was collapsing in less than 2 seconds last week–so his holding the ball wasn’t the chief problem. This week, they consistently gave him 3, 4, 5 seconds. That makes a huge difference in his ability to make the read and throw. Having Max–an effective, experienced pro Ben trusts–protecting his blind side has made a tremendous difference.

  77. miketomlinssteelers10 says: Oct 9, 2011 4:50 PM

    @ Deb,
    You’re right Max did play well. I was glad they picked the big guy up,big factor! I still think we need Flo to solidify the right side but am in agreement that Scott’s play was not up to par with the way Gilbert was playing. Maybe sign Flo if he’ll take it for depth purposes. I think if we do what we did today with the run,we can turn this line into something special. We’ll see.

  78. dmobey says: Oct 11, 2011 12:04 AM

    That O line needs to pop some more roids.

  79. dmobey says: Oct 11, 2011 12:05 AM

    Or is it HGH?

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