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It’s not easy to find Packers problems

Green Bay Packers' James Starks runs against the Denver Broncos in the second half during their NFL football game in Green Bay, Wisconsin Reuters

A radio host asked me this week: Is there any reason to think the Green Bay Packers aren’t the best team in football?

I was silent for a second, which felt like a minute.  Every reason I could come up with felt like nitpicking.

The Packers are rolling right now with an offense that looks unstoppable, and a defense that is making enough big plays. A forgiving schedule gives the Packers a great chance to roll up a big win total this year.

You have to squint hard to find areas of concern, but we saw a few of them in the Green Bay papers this morning:

1. The Packers are trying to teach James Starks to have better vision, according to the Kareem Copeland of the Green Bay Press Gazette.  Too often, Starks dances or misses the hole.

Ryan Grant seems to have great one-cut instincts but can no longer get to the outside well.  The Packers running game has been pretty good, but not great.  They could struggle against a truly elite defense.

2. Cornerback Tramon Williams hasn’t been the same since a Week One shoulder injury, according to Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. The Packers are 31st against the pass in terms of yardage, although they are first in interceptions.

We’d argue that Sam Shields and Charles Woodson haven’t been any better in coverage.  This is probably Green Bay’s biggest concern, but the personnel is there.

3. Jason Wilde of ESPNMilwaukee.com looked at why Clay Matthews is stuck on one sack. Matthews does lead the team in QB hits. We covered this topic last week, but Wilde does a nice job going inside the numbers.  The Packers rush three defenders more than any team.

So there you go: The Packers aren’t perfect.  They are closer to complete through one quarter of the season than any team out there.

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  1. clavette says: Oct 7, 2011 9:30 AM

    They are no where near perfect but they are still the top team in the nfl

  2. sj39 says: Oct 7, 2011 9:30 AM

    Their fans are obese?

  3. cakemixa says: Oct 7, 2011 9:30 AM

    Then why are their 10 Eagles/Cowboys stories for every 1 Packers story on here?

  4. joetoronto says: Oct 7, 2011 9:32 AM

    That defense doesn’t look so great to me.

  5. jwil444 says: Oct 7, 2011 9:32 AM

    every team gets better as the season goes on, (provided they stay healthy and in tact) and that is a scary thought.

    QB driven league, what QB and receiving combo would you rather have in the NFL?

  6. botchedextrapoint says: Oct 7, 2011 9:33 AM

    Their special teams struggle to identify the guy catching the ball.

  7. mypackersownyourteam says: Oct 7, 2011 9:34 AM

    Right on. For many Packers fans like myself, any kind of criticism seems like nitpicking.

    I’ll say a couple things…

    This team doesnt need a running game. They don’t want to run the ball and they only do it so Rodgers doesn’t get hit 20 times a game.

    And as far as a “forgiving schedule”? Please. After they play in Atlanta the Packers will have already played 3 playoff teams (through 5 games) from last year. They’re also in the best division in football (having to play the Lions and Bears twice) and travel to San Diego and NYG after the bye week.

  8. boover3 says: Oct 7, 2011 9:35 AM

    I agree. It is definitely the secondary. Packers corners are getting beat off the ball, and are giving up a ton of yards, especially to less than stellar teams. Sure, a lot of those yards have come in stat-packing in the 4th quarter, but the defense does not have that same feel as it did a year ago, but clearly the offense’s production offset the deficiencies. Go Pack Go.

  9. stoogy says: Oct 7, 2011 9:36 AM

    Aaron Rogers was perfect last week though! A decent running game is all he needs to open up the secondary, he will find the open guy. Seems like the recievers are not gready and don’t complain about targets. But Aaron spreads it out even. The secendary will continue to compete and technics will improve. This team is special. Kinda wish I was a packers fan. But the hearts elswhere

  10. flash1283 says: Oct 7, 2011 9:37 AM

    So the fact that they have the 28th ranked D isn’t a problem?

  11. turk2875 says: Oct 7, 2011 9:38 AM

    This team is just on a roll right now. I would pick Aaron Rodgers right now over Tom Brady, even though it is close.

  12. buckybadger says: Oct 7, 2011 9:39 AM

    The Packers aren’t perfect and do have their flaws. As a fan who watches their games [usually twice] very closely you can find them.

    The biggest one is the pass rush or lack their of. The team is missing the play of Cullen Jenkins. Hopefully Mike Smith can get healthy and bring some help in this area. Tramon hasn’t been as good as last year but I think it has more to do with the pass rush than him not being able to cover. No one can cover forever.

    Walden has been decent at the other OLB position but getting Zombo back will improve and he can rush the passer a little better as well. Getting Zombo and Smith back will give the defense more depth with their rotations which should keep them fresher.

    Yes they have some minor issues but I do think they get them corrected. Just hand us the trophy because it is coming home again anyways, why risk the injury of everyone in the league when the Packers are just going to win it all anyways?

  13. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 7, 2011 9:40 AM

    C’mon over vike and bear fans. We’ll make room for you. You don’t even have to buy stock, but it would be nice (assuming you’re financially able) if you did the next go around.

  14. vernhh says: Oct 7, 2011 9:41 AM

    All that cheese has their fans severely constipated, but nothing new there.

    They look like a team that has that swagger, a team that finds a way to win. Hate to say it but there isn’t another team in football that you would more hate to have your favorite team facing this and every other week.

  15. japdouds says: Oct 7, 2011 9:41 AM

    Defense wins championships. Just go ask the 2010 Patriots and their high powered offense. The Packers have the 28th rated defense in the NFL, and are 31st against the pass.

    When they play a team in the playoffs that can slow their offense, they could be in trouble, just like New England has found in the playoffs every year since their D started to stink.

  16. rodgersrules says: Oct 7, 2011 9:43 AM

    the only half-chink in the armor is the pass defense with Collins out and Williams needing to pick up the pace a little.

    Other than that everyone else is just hoping for a delayed hangover effect

  17. waxthat says: Oct 7, 2011 9:44 AM

    they smell kind of cheesy

  18. gmsingh says: Oct 7, 2011 9:44 AM

    The best thing you can say about the Packers is that if Rodgers gets hurt they’ll probably still be better than the Colts.

  19. clintonportisheadd says: Oct 7, 2011 9:47 AM

    “It’s not easy to find Packers problems…..”

    ————————-

    Sure it is.

    1) Not enough seats to accommodate the folks who want to see them play.

    2) A waiting list for tickets that is so long if your parents put you on it at age 5 you would still have only a miniscule chance of getting tickets before you hit 70.

    3) Jealous Bear fans one must contend with.

    4) Jealous (and bitter) Viking fans one must contend with.

    5) Finding enough places to display all the World Championship hardware.

  20. Soulman45 says: Oct 7, 2011 9:48 AM

    The Packers is so good that they are right behind
    THE GREAT DETROIT LIONS which is the best
    team, second place is not bad for the Packers better than the Viking which is 32.

  21. glac1 says: Oct 7, 2011 9:49 AM

    Our defense still concerns me but we didn’t jell until late November last season. So maybe we’ll come around and be a competitive football team.

  22. tb12eatitbitches says: Oct 7, 2011 9:51 AM

    The Packers are who we thought they were, if you wanna crown them then crown they’re A$$.

  23. nitschke66 says: Oct 7, 2011 9:52 AM

    Biggest flaw the Packers have is not getting to the QB quicker. They’ve given up a ton of yards and scores. Can’t win SB without intimidating D. Losing Collins was huge. Need to get better on D. So far O lead by #12 has been able to make up the difference with their outstanding play!

  24. bsandcs says: Oct 7, 2011 9:53 AM

    joetoronto says:
    Oct 7, 2011 9:32 AM
    That defense doesn’t look so great to me.

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    i agree. yes we all know NE has the the 32nd ranked pass defense, but Green Bay comes in solidly at #31.

  25. PackersHome.com says: Oct 7, 2011 9:59 AM

    All those holes the Packers have are solely related to the Packers not having any player get together-practices during the off season. It’s also why they’ve started out so slow.

    In ten years, when we endure another lockout, hopefully that Packers team learns from this teams mistakes.

    FIRE TED THOMPSON!!!!

  26. autolend27 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:02 AM

    im tired of hearing the packers have a weak schedule. det twice, bears twice, san diego, new orleans, atlanta and the giants. only good team missing is the patriots. looks kinda tough to me……..just sayin

  27. bostonhasrealhockey says: Oct 7, 2011 10:05 AM

    Pats have the most versatile offense putting up more yards and a billion games straught with 30 plus points and a defense ranked 4 spots behind green bays. But im just a homer.

  28. autolend27 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:06 AM

    as far as pass defense, i bet every team is letting up more passing yards this year then last. packers are usually playing with a big lead so all teams do is throw anyway. stats dont tell the whole story about our defense. i think a bigger concern is the lack of qb sacks.

  29. shieldsisland37 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:15 AM

    The Packers are good, borderline great. They are not crowned as “great” in my eyes unless they repeat. If they repeat, then bust out the great word, start talking about hall of famers, start naming restraunts after them. But right now, they are just very very good.

  30. comeonnowguys says: Oct 7, 2011 10:22 AM

    clintonportisheadd says: Oct 7, 2011 9:47 AM

    “It’s not easy to find Packers problems…..”

    ————————-

    Sure it is.

    1) Not enough seats to accommodate the folks who want to see them play.

    2) A waiting list for tickets that is so long if your parents put you on it at age 5 you would still have only a miniscule chance of getting tickets before you hit 70.

    3) Jealous Bear fans one must contend with.

    4) Jealous (and bitter) Viking fans one must contend with.

    5) Finding enough places to display all the World Championship hardware.

    ______________________

    6) Having to sneak medication into the fans’ beers to prevent the overdeveloped and unwarranted sense of self-importance into regressing into outright d.o.u.c.h.e.baggery. (Hint, it’s not working)

    7) Silly little thing called defense.

    Dear God, I’m starting long for more Steeler fans on here. That’s how bad it’s getting.

  31. tritz32 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:23 AM

    buckybadger says:
    Oct 7, 2011 9:39 AM
    The Packers aren’t perfect and do have their flaws. As a fan who watches their games [usually twice] very closely you can find them.

    The biggest one is the pass rush or lack their of. The team is missing the play of Cullen Jenkins. Hopefully Mike Smith can get healthy and bring some help in this area. Tramon hasn’t been as good as last year but I think it has more to do with the pass rush than him not being able to cover. No one can cover forever.

    Ummmm, who the hell is Mike Smith? For someone who watches the games twice (get a life) you should know the personnel a litte better don’t you think?!?

  32. glac1 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:33 AM

    A pass rush would take this team to an entirely different level.

  33. clavette says: Oct 7, 2011 10:39 AM

    And another thing not pointed out is that monster TE finley. What a beast that guy is. Best tight end in football right now and if he stays healthy that offense will continue to destroy teams

  34. tsi4431 says: Oct 7, 2011 10:50 AM

    It hard to get a pass rush when you only rush 3, due to being up by 10-20 points at half time. Packers pretty much play prevent defense for half the game, thus the high amount of pass yards given up. Every other team so far has to play catch-up, so they get pass happy. This is also way the Packers have so many INT.

  35. your6ringsaremeaninglessnow says: Oct 7, 2011 10:55 AM

    Here’s a Packers weakness: if Rodgers goes down, Matt Flynn is the backup. O-line has a few weak links still and if Rodgers gets hurt, this team quickly becomes a .500 team.

  36. smoothjimmyapollo says: Oct 7, 2011 10:58 AM

    “So the fact that they have the 28th ranked D isn’t a problem?”

    Depends on how you want to rank a defense. For example, in points per game, they’re ranked 18th, but that also includes a barn-burner against the Saints. When they get a few games in there against teams like the Rams or Vikings that number should come down. If it’s turnovers you like, they are tied for the league lead in takeaways. Their ranking against the pass is also skewed because teams are trailing and therefore passing more. They’re second against the run.

    Their early performances last year weren’t impressive either with losses to the Bears, Skins, and Dolphins, but we know how that turned out. I’ll take 4-0 with room for improvement.

  37. purpleguy says: Oct 7, 2011 11:01 AM

    It kills me to say this, but the Pack is solid. You could quibble with the O-line as injuries impact starting caliber depth, they miss Jenkins, the corners (other than Woodson) haven’t been as good as last year, Hawk can’t tackle and is lousy in pass coverage, and the safeties are now average. However, the offense can overcome all those weaknesses, and certainly the other NFCN teams have more glaring flaws.

  38. nowillrepeat says: Oct 7, 2011 11:04 AM

    Saints are lurking.

    I dont care what happened in the first game, we pretty much mirror this team in every aspect.

    I actually give the Saints running game the edge.

    A-rod is very impressive tho.

  39. irishstout says: Oct 7, 2011 11:06 AM

    your6ringsaremeaninglessnow says:
    Oct 7, 2011 10:55 AM
    Here’s a Packers weakness: if Rodgers goes down, Matt Flynn is the backup. O-line has a few weak links still and if Rodgers gets hurt, this team quickly becomes a .500 team.

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    There is almost no elite team in the league this doesn’t apply to. You might make a case for the Ravens, but they are about it. For the rest, if I fill in the name of their QB your “weakness” is just as accurate.

    If Brady gets hurt, this team quickly becomes a .500 team.

    If Brees gets hurt, this team quickly becomes a .500 team.

    If Stafford gets hurt, this team quickly becomes a .500 team.

    Etc. etc. Very few teams, especially teams with offenses built around passing, are going to survive a major QB injury and still be on the same level afterwards.

  40. pack15forever says: Oct 7, 2011 11:24 AM

    The Packers are 4-0 and they have not yelled. As the season goes on the defense will get better. The worse thing that can happen in sports is to have the team peak too early in the season and plateau. If you look around the NFL there aren’t too many defenses that are having great years. The lockout and the limit on practicing with pads has had an affect. Despite not hitting all cylinders yet the Packers continue to roll. I hate to think what will happen when everything does come together.

  41. boiler72 says: Oct 7, 2011 11:29 AM

    So the fact that they have the 28th ranked D isn’t a problem?

    ____________________________________

    This is 2011. It’s not 1975, 1995, or even 2010. If the opponent scores 35, the Packers will score 36. Big deal. This is what the NFL wants now.

  42. giselleisasucubus says: Oct 7, 2011 11:34 AM

    So let me get this straight- the Packers, which are 31st against the pass and 28th overall, are fine on defense because they make big plays…yet the Patriots defense, which is ranked right along with Green Bay and also make many plays(int’s, forcing fg’s instead of giving up td’s) is pathetic. Huh? What is the difference? The Pats and the Packers are basically the same team. We will see in February who the better team is, because they will both be there.

  43. thedisbackindtown says: Oct 7, 2011 11:47 AM

    They have not seen the Lions yet… wait until the front 4 each Arod for lunch!!

  44. irishstout says: Oct 7, 2011 11:48 AM

    The Packers’ “weak defense” is one of those areas where we should listen to Mark Twain on the subject of “lies, damned lies, and statistics”.

    If all you look at is total YPG, and passing YPG, the Pack looks like it has one of the weakest defenses in the NFL. However, last I checked we don’t tally the final score in YPG, and there are a ton of other factors that go into the W-L outcome.

    First, the Packers are #2 in rushing YPG, allowed, and #10 in rushing YPA. Opposing rushing attacks are having trouble finding success, and often end up having to abandon the run trying to play later as the Packers offense kicks into gear.

    Second, the Packers are #14 in points allowed, which is a middle of the road defense, but combined with their #1 rank in points scored, gives them the #3 rank in net points, behind only the Ravens and Lions.

    Third, on the passing defense itself, YPG is the only stat that is really a big problem. Opposing QBs have an 88.6 QB rating, for a slightly worse than average #18. The Packers also have 8 interceptions, tied for #1 in the league.

    The days of a team coming out of a season ranked top 5 in all or most offensive AND defensive cateogories are over. Parity doesn’t permit the NFL to work that way.

    So, yes, it may be “conventional wisdom” heresy, but a team CAN win with an excellent offense and just an ok defense as long as the defense does some things well. The reverse is less common, but is probably also true.

  45. thedisbackindtown says: Oct 7, 2011 11:48 AM

    eat Arod for lunch…damn auto correct

  46. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 7, 2011 11:48 AM

    jwil444 says:
    Oct 7, 2011 9:32 AM
    every team gets better as the season goes on, (provided they stay healthy and in tact) and that is a scary thought.
    _____________

    That is absolutely not true. Every year there are teams that start fast and then fall off, even without injuries. It’s a long season and teams tend to have stretches where they’re very good and stretches where they’re not so good. The Packers might be good enough that they’ll still win when they’re not playing as well, but it’s possible this is the best they’re going to play all season.

  47. whoknowsnothing says: Oct 7, 2011 11:52 AM

    Packers have a good chance at repeating as Super Bowl Champions.

    What team doesn’t have hole’s to fill in their roster, whether it’s on offense or defense?

    I’m not a Packers fan, but Aaron Rodgers looks like a man on a mission and he wants to have more rings than Brady.

    Ted Thompson built this team to last and it shows with the depth they have. Even though he ran Farve out of town he has done the best job in the NFL in putting a roster together.

  48. acmepacker says: Oct 7, 2011 11:54 AM

    I agree with most of the comments about defense
    and the need for a better pass rush. The upside of Packer defense is that while teams march down the field with relative ease, when they hit the red zone
    the march stops and often results in only a field goal
    and it’s hard to beat the Packers with field goals.

  49. gregm5s7 says: Oct 7, 2011 11:56 AM

    Defense will get better, as long as there aren’t anymore injuries. Missing 3 starters right now: Mike Neal, Zombo, and Collins. Neal has a ton of potential, Collins is 1st or 2nd best Safety in the NFC, and Zombo won the starting job opposite Matthews.
    2 scapgoats right now: Shields and Peprah, who I expect to improve as Capers makes adjustments.

  50. briggsweatbird says: Oct 7, 2011 11:56 AM

    O line very thin. Clifton not up to last year’s standard when he had possibly best year of career. Hardly participates in practice. Sherrod not ready to step in. Clifton going down = big problems. Need a pass rush to help cover for loss of Collins and Shields’, who has taken a step backward. Finally, Hawk cannot cover anyone. A good O coordinator will pick him apart. Inspite of all this, Packers still team to beat.

  51. nowillrepeat says: Oct 7, 2011 12:00 PM

    So let me get this straight- the Packers, which are 31st against the pass and 28th overall, are fine on defense because they make big plays…yet the Patriots defense, which is ranked right along with Green Bay and also make many plays(int’s, forcing fg’s instead of giving up td’s) is pathetic. Huh? What is the difference? The Pats and the Packers are basically the same team. We will see in February who the better team is, because they will both be there.
    ——————————————
    The Pack? Maybe

    The Pats? Not so sure.

    That team is Brady and nothing else.

    Defense is pure trash (better hope Mayo makes it back, cause they got no one else), they have no running game and if you fluster Brady they are very beatable (see Buffalo two weeks ago).

    Pats are the same team that has been ousted the past few years.

  52. irishstout says: Oct 7, 2011 12:03 PM

    giselleisasucubus says:
    Oct 7, 2011 11:34 AM
    So let me get this straight- the Packers, which are 31st against the pass and 28th overall, are fine on defense because they make big plays…yet the Patriots defense, which is ranked right along with Green Bay and also make many plays(int’s, forcing fg’s instead of giving up td’s) is pathetic. Huh? What is the difference? The Pats and the Packers are basically the same team. We will see in February who the better team is, because they will both be there.

    ______________________________

    Yup, I agree. The Patriots defense is also underrated because some years ago someone decided that YPG was the right way to rank a defense. Which is silly, YPG is probably one of the WORST ways to rank a defense because it is too heavily influenced by game situations and the offensive production. (Teams have attempted 168 passes against the Pats, 164 against the Packers, for #1 and #4 in the league in attempts against). Why? Against Brady and Rogers they find they are frequently playing catch up, which boosts both attempts and yards (even mediocre passing offenses usually complete almost 60% of their passes)

    YPG is a statistic to look at, but it is not the ONLY statistic, and should not be used to rank defenses straight up. I would look at:

    Opposing QB rating (a lot of people QB rating, but it has been statistically shown to be a great predictor of success)

    Rushing YPA (not perfect because of things like garbage time, but still decent.)

    Turnovers

    Points allowed

    The Packers and Patriots are both fairly middle of the road in each of those categories except turnovers, where they are elite. In the modern NFL, that’s enough to win.

  53. 6ball says: Oct 7, 2011 12:16 PM

    .

    I’m an AFC guy, but you have to give a lot of credit to the Thompson / McCarthy team for their personnel decisions. Yes, not all moves worked . Every team has some that don’t pan out. However, it appears to me that the packers are destined to be like the patriots …..highly competitive over a extended period. Packer fans have a lot to look forward to.

    .

  54. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 7, 2011 12:24 PM

    Overconfidence is their only weakness.

  55. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 7, 2011 12:42 PM

    irishstout says:
    Oct 7, 2011 11:06 AM
    your6ringsaremeaninglessnow says:
    Oct 7, 2011 10:55 AM
    Here’s a Packers weakness: if Rodgers goes down, Matt Flynn is the backup. O-line has a few weak links still and if Rodgers gets hurt, this team quickly becomes a .500 team.

    ____________________________

    There is almost no elite team in the league this doesn’t apply to. You might make a case for the Ravens, but they are about it. For the rest, if I fill in the name of their QB your “weakness” is just as accurate.

    If Brady gets hurt, this team quickly becomes a .500 team.

    If Brees gets hurt, this team quickly becomes a .500 team.

    If Stafford gets hurt, this team quickly becomes a .500 team.

    Etc. etc. Very few teams, especially teams with offenses built around passing, are going to survive a major QB injury and still be on the same level afterwards.

    ______

    One exception, if the vikes starting QB goes down, they rocket up from a winning percentage of .188 to .375…

  56. aaronitout says: Oct 7, 2011 1:07 PM

    Right now the defense is ranked 28th in total yards allowed per game. Whereas the scoring defense ranks 18th. Not a great ranking but it is a testament to the bend don’t break philosophy. Even though they are giving up a lot of yards on defense, especially through the air they are tied for 1st with 8 interceptions, 8th in sacks with 11, and 9th in forced fumbles. I don’t care if they rank 32nd in yards allowed as long as the scoring defense stays middle of the pack and they lead the league in turnover differential.

    Concerning injuries, they are nowhere near as decimated as last year but the injuries to the team have been very specific to pass rush. Frank Zombo, the best pass rusher on the team opposite CMIII has been out with a broken scapula, he is back practicing this week and should play. Vic So’Oto, the free agent rookie, showed a lot of promise as a pass rusher in the preseason. If he can regain some of that composure over the next few weeks then you will see the sack total for the team go up. I really don’t care who is getting the sacks as long as someone is getting them.

    The casual fan who doesn’t pay attention may think CMIII is having a down year but you would be wrong. The man is wreaking havoc on opposing offensive lines. He destroyed the Bears offensive line on running plays and made Mike Martz completely abandon the running game. Sacks don’t tell the whole story. As the article stated, he leads the team in QB hits which is causing a lot of turnovers as the team leads the league in INTs.

    Haters hate all you want. It’s easy to see that the Packers are the best team in the league. They won’t go undefeated, they may even lose one to Detroit this year but they will back in the NFC championship game, if not the Super Bowl.

  57. your6ringsaremeaninglessnow says: Oct 7, 2011 3:26 PM

    @irishstout…my point is Matt Flynn is one of the worst backups in the league. I know because I watched my Lions completely dominate the Packers defensively week 14 last year once he went out with the concussion, marking the beginning of our 8 game win streak…the first four of which were won with Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton. No doubt, the Packers have the best QB in the NFL but seriously, a servicable, game managing backup QB for the Packers might be a good idea.

  58. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 7, 2011 3:54 PM

    your6ringsaremeaninglessnow says:
    Oct 7, 2011 3:26 PM
    @irishstout…my point is Matt Flynn is one of the worst backups in the league. I know because I watched my Lions completely dominate the Packers defensively week 14 last year once he went out with the concussion, marking the beginning of our 8 game win streak…the first four of which were won with Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton. No doubt, the Packers have the best QB in the NFL but seriously, a servicable, game managing backup QB for the Packers might be a good idea.
    __________

    You forgot that your Lions completely dominated before Rodgers went out too. Flynn actually played better than Rodgers. At least he led them to a field goal.

  59. aaronitout says: Oct 7, 2011 6:09 PM

    your6ringsaremeaninglessnow says:
    Oct 7, 2011 3:26 PM
    @irishstout…my point is Matt Flynn is one of the worst backups in the league. I know because I watched my Lions completely dominate the Packers defensively week 14 last year once he went out with the concussion, marking the beginning of our 8 game win streak…the first four of which were won with Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton. No doubt, the Packers have the best QB in the NFL but seriously, a servicable, game managing backup QB for the Packers might be a good idea.

    ————————————————————
    Are you talking about he same Matt Flynn that went into New England in his first start ever and was 4 points away from beating New England? That Matt Flynn?

  60. axespray says: Oct 7, 2011 6:21 PM

    ^ not hard to dominate “A” quarter….

    who knows what happens when Rodgers gets in a rhythm after that slow first quarter… Adjustments, figuring out what the lions were doing, we’ll never know cause the dude didn’t play the rest of the game.

    you viking fans should know; he led us to 31 unanswered points against the vikes after trailing by 3 points after the 1st quarter

  61. 1stngoal says: Oct 7, 2011 9:11 PM

    Their biggest weakness at this point seems to be an inability to generate a pass-rush from someone other than Clay Matthews from the front seven. And this is starting to show up in the gaudy passing statistics teams have been piling up on them so far in this young season. Hopefully they can get Frank Zombo back on the field soon, and Vic So’oto , Teddy’s latest undrafted gem may bloosom into a impact bookend to Matthews judging by his performance in the pre-season.

    Go Pack!!! ;-)

  62. welzy says: Oct 7, 2011 11:42 PM

    your6ringsaremeaninglessnow says:Oct 7, 2011 3:26 PM

    @irishstout…my point is Matt Flynn is one of the worst backups in the league. I know because I watched my Lions completely dominate the Packers defensively week 14 last year once he went out with the concussion, marking the beginning of our 8 game win streak…the first four of which were won with Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton. No doubt, the Packers have the best QB in the NFL but seriously, a servicable, game managing backup QB for the Packers might be a good idea.
    —————————————————

    The Sporting News recently had Flynn as the best backup QB in the NFL. It kind of makes you look stupid. Well, that and thinking you know something because you watch the Lions…

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-09-08/backup-qb-plans-green-bay-packers-and-new-england-patriots-in-good-shape

  63. pack13queens0 says: Oct 8, 2011 8:24 PM

    Defense has struggled but the Claymaker will get them back on track. Sam Shields, Tramon Williams & of corse Charles Woodson are 3 of the best defensive backs in the game. But with the way A-Rod is playing, it may not even matter.

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