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ESPN’s QBR stat puts Tebow ahead of Rodgers


It’s the Year of the Quarterback.  We know this because ESPN has told us that it is.  (Perhaps next year will be the Year of the Second String Long Snapper.)

As part of the Year of the Quarterback, ESPN has attempted to cure our reliance on the decades-old passer rating system with a new “Total QBR” number that supposedly incorporates everything that the most important player on the field does.

I’ve ignored it to date, for several reasons.  First, I’ve got no problem with the passer rating system, especially if the NFL has no problem with it.  Second, I prefer my measurables with non-metric scales.  Water boils at 212 degrees, not 100.  And a perfect showing for a quarterback gets a 158.3.

Third, I feel like ESPN is trying to force it down our throats.

I’ll unignore the Total QBR long enough to point out that I have found justification for ignoring it:  Under the Total QBR, Tim Tebow performed better on Sunday than Aaron Rodgers.

Rodgers, whose Packers won at the Georgia Dome, completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yards and two touchdowns.  His Total QBR was 82.1.

Tebow, whose Broncos lost at home to the Chargers, completed four of 10 passes for 79 yards and a touchdown.  And he ran the ball six times for 38 yards and a touchdown.  And his Total QBR was 83.2.

So, yeah, I’ll continue to ignore ESPN’s Total QBR stat.

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134 Responses to “ESPN’s QBR stat puts Tebow ahead of Rodgers”
  1. nyctexan says: Oct 10, 2011 8:19 PM

    F ESPN… except for PTI, Around the Horn, and SN… dey be cool.

  2. dionoil says: Oct 10, 2011 8:21 PM

    Dumbest. Stat. Ever.

  3. beerandtitties says: Oct 10, 2011 8:24 PM

    I’m ok with it. I mean let Tebow have something. Next year this time there is a good chance he will be selling used office furniture on San Fernado Blvd.

  4. mrplow3 says: Oct 10, 2011 8:24 PM

    I hate ESPN as much as the next guy, they are politically correct tools. However, you guys at NBC are no better (except Dan Patrick, he’s awesome)

    If we could pass a law leaving NFL coverage to CBS and Fox only, I’d be the first person to sign it.

  5. urfinished says: Oct 10, 2011 8:24 PM

    ESPN also pretends Emmitt Smith and Cris Carter are good commentators just because they were born athletes. Lot of smoke and mirrors there.

  6. ninerdynasty says: Oct 10, 2011 8:26 PM

    Dont forget that Alice Smith had the top total qb rating in the league… LOL!! WTF.. ESPN has to rethink this…
    dont get sack or throw ints and u’ll be the best.. what a joke! lol

  7. shawon0meter says: Oct 10, 2011 8:26 PM

    Coincidentally, Tebow 8:32 is my favorite bible verse.

  8. radtrigger says: Oct 10, 2011 8:27 PM

    Trent Dilfer had a “major part” in developing QBR. No more needs to be said.

  9. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Oct 10, 2011 8:27 PM

    Boycott ESPN!

  10. claydefayette says: Oct 10, 2011 8:29 PM

    “ESPN also pretends Emmitt Smith and Cris Carter are good commentators just because they were born athletes. Lot of smoke and mirrors there”

    No. Just a lot of smoke.

    I’m going to develop my own method of evaluating quarterbacks. It’s going to involve watching the games.

  11. radtrigger says: Oct 10, 2011 8:29 PM

    I bet they have Cris Carter develop a system for rating current wide receivers…

    Cris Carter would put Randy Moss’s retired butt at #2 only behind himself at #1.

  12. vegasbronco says: Oct 10, 2011 8:29 PM

    Only ESPN would state that “Tim Tebow is a better QB then Aaron Rodgers” yea they are tools and QBR is a madeup stat.

  13. giantrutgersfan says: Oct 10, 2011 8:30 PM

    “I dont understand how it works, so it sucks”

    Basically sums up the position of PFT. Total QB rating is much more accurate then QB rating.

    QB rating simply rewards playing scared, throwing 4 yard dump offs. Does not reward doing what it takes to win like Total QB rating does

  14. gwhempel says: Oct 10, 2011 8:30 PM

    Great post.

  15. Bearfan54 says: Oct 10, 2011 8:30 PM

    If Tebow would have played the whole game he would’nt be ahead of Rodgers in this stat.Trust me.

  16. AndDave says: Oct 10, 2011 8:32 PM

    “Water boils at 212 degrees, not 100.”

    Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius.

  17. paperlions says: Oct 10, 2011 8:32 PM

    Of all of the reasons to give credence (or not) to a stat….that has to be one of the dumbest I’ve ever read. There seems to be some combination of three things going on: 1) you have no idea of the importance of sample size, 2) you haven’t bothered to learn what the stat actually measures (as opposed to what you would like it to measure), and 3) you are just too mentally lazy to bother to understand the stat to have a legitimate basis for rejecting it.

  18. sirsupersouthern says: Oct 10, 2011 8:32 PM

    Total QBR is obviously just ESPN’s attempt to prop up “athletic QB’s” numbers.

    They fire Hank Williams for making one silly comment and make a new stat because “athletic QBs” weren’t getting high enough scores.

    ESPN is not at all run by Leftist Jews though. Not one bit…

  19. derekjetersmansion says: Oct 10, 2011 8:33 PM

    To be fair, Tebow willed them back into that game by himself. He was more valuable yesterday than Rodgers was.

    I don’t know what QBR is.

  20. beastofeden says: Oct 10, 2011 8:35 PM

    Wait a minute?!?! You claim you have:

    “no problem with the passer rating system, especially if the NFL has no problem with it.”

    What about OVERTIME RULES? You were crying like 2 year old about those.

    And several, several more issues you’ve moaned about yet the NFL had no problem with.


  21. buckeye044 says: Oct 10, 2011 8:36 PM

    What a joke of a sports network they have become. Yet, the sheep continue to follow.

  22. melikefootball says: Oct 10, 2011 8:36 PM

    Even PFT has fallen under the spell. How many wins does Tebo have?? How many Rogers???

  23. juiceboxsupply says: Oct 10, 2011 8:37 PM

    Thou shalt not doubt Tebow. You’re going to hell

  24. badtimeoutcaldwell says: Oct 10, 2011 8:37 PM

    Pointing out one time where the QBR may not be a complete accurate picture doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense or it won’t work.

    That happens dozens of times per year with the current QB rating… so why don’t you write an article about how ridiculous that is??

    The current system is definately flawed, and I do think this QBR is a step in the right direction.

  25. 15gb2 says: Oct 10, 2011 8:40 PM

    Tebow must work out..

  26. ctimm says: Oct 10, 2011 8:41 PM

    Cris Carter a man who believes Calvin Johnson is king of the nfl but not a top 5 receiver.

  27. lance19 says: Oct 10, 2011 8:42 PM

    Last season, Tebow ran all over the
    Chargers, Timmy-Nation went wild,
    and, oh, the Chargers won.

    Yesterday, Tebow ran all over the
    Chargers, Timmy-Nation went wild,
    and, oh, the Chargers won.

    I love those Bronco fans.
    Y’all keep being thrilled by a guy who can’t
    pass, running all over the field.
    And my Chargers will keep taking the Ws.

  28. scoffaveli says: Oct 10, 2011 8:42 PM

    Well to be fair, passer rating is just as absurd. Mark Sanchez had a higher passer rating than Tom Brady this week.

    You tell me who had the better game…

  29. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 10, 2011 8:43 PM

    Water boils at 100 degrees Celcius.

  30. hoobsher says: Oct 10, 2011 8:48 PM

    i think QBR is meant to be used for complete performances, just like regular quarterback rating.

    23/40, 340 yds, 3 tds 2 ints merits a 122.1.

    1/1, 54 yds, 1 td, 0 ints merits a 158.3.

    now tell me, if the latter comes in for one play and it happens to be a 54 yard touchdown pass, did he have a perfecter game than the former?

    no. both rating systems have their flaws in the area of volume. but in terms of complete games, QBR is a much more comprehensive and useful stat.

  31. packerjer says: Oct 10, 2011 8:48 PM

    Who invented this thing? Skip Bayless?

  32. mh28102 says: Oct 10, 2011 8:49 PM

    ESPN put Tebow into the hall of fame before his parents conceived him.

  33. nationalmediacansuckit says: Oct 10, 2011 8:49 PM

    So ESPN and their QBR is trying to convince me that Tebow had a better game than Rodgers. Riiiiiight. And Hank Williams Jr best friend is black.

  34. sedcontra97 says: Oct 10, 2011 8:52 PM

    I hope Tebow succeeds, but if he fails I also hope Broncos fans will be rational enough to accept the fact and move on.

  35. j0hnny63 says: Oct 10, 2011 8:53 PM

    “Water boils at 212 degrees, not 100.”


  36. bigblaw says: Oct 10, 2011 8:53 PM

    Am I the only ONLY one that has realized this QBR make the “founder of QBR” not look as bad as “he” was …DILFER??????? How would you like to be critiqued by him???? How anyone has missed this is beyond me. His QBR I bet is better than most and that’s why he came up with this BS ! It is BS!

  37. skinoclock says: Oct 10, 2011 8:54 PM

    if you change those runs to completions it does make sense 10/16 117 yds 2 tds vs 26/39 2 tds… old QB rating also gives the same result..

    not saying this makes sense, but it does give a good idea of the impact of a player and Tebow did have it..

  38. Gordon says: Oct 10, 2011 8:55 PM

    LOL @ ESPN!!!!

  39. voiceofben says: Oct 10, 2011 8:57 PM

    Doesn’t seem that far fetched to me.

    QB Rating takes rushing into account. Tebow has 38 yards rushing and 1 TD. If you were to add those numbers to his passing numbers, it would make his passer rating 123.7, which would still be higher than the 117.0 posted by Rodgers.

  40. skinsrock says: Oct 10, 2011 8:59 PM

    And those would be people I like to call ………….. Wrong!

  41. thegonz13 says: Oct 10, 2011 9:00 PM

    Further proof that this QB “rating” is total B.S.!

  42. johnjosephyossarian says: Oct 10, 2011 9:01 PM

    Yeah, mrplow3, good idea.

    Leave it to the organization that lies to you and tells you are seeing when actual news footage, when in fact you are seeing stuff they completely made up, but told you was real so as to fit their narrative.

    ….And the worst part is I bet people need to tell you which channel I’m talking about for you to figure it out.

    (oh wait, was that too complex for you? sorry.)

  43. jvibottomline says: Oct 10, 2011 9:06 PM

    Alex Smith will be I’m the pro bowl this season

  44. favreforever says: Oct 10, 2011 9:07 PM

    Simply put, Tebow is a more effective quarterback than The Little Rudejerk. He averaged 20 yards per completion, and picked up a bunch on the ground. Scored two touchdowns in a half of play and might have had a third except for a missed call by the refs.

    Ahwhine Waaahhhjuhs should just be happy they don’t factor, looks, intelligence, and character into the formula. He would be pulling up the rear.

  45. favreforever says: Oct 10, 2011 9:08 PM

    …Oh, and lest I forget. Ima go check out ESPN now.

  46. vexey says: Oct 10, 2011 9:09 PM

    It’s a completely arbitrary, useless stat. I have no idea why it’s needed or why they’re sticking to it so hard

  47. wtfchiefs says: Oct 10, 2011 9:10 PM

    My QBR Says

  48. supersuckers3 says: Oct 10, 2011 9:12 PM

    ESPN is a joke. If only Greenberg and Golic could get out of that rotten situation…..

  49. elwaysbrain says: Oct 10, 2011 9:13 PM

    Water boils at 212 degrees? Where did THAT come from? I love how when people read something in a magazine they think is fascinating they always feel like randomly blurting it out.

  50. bucsraysboltsfan says: Oct 10, 2011 9:13 PM

    Fear Tebow

  51. rmorales7 says: Oct 10, 2011 9:17 PM

    um ninerdynasty

    alex smith has 7 TDs and 1 INT

  52. mommasaystherewillbedayslikethis says: Oct 10, 2011 9:23 PM

    Water does boil at 100 C. Total QBR must be unamerican.

  53. japdouds says: Oct 10, 2011 9:23 PM

    Even worse, ESPN ranked the starting QB for the 0-16 Detroit Lions higher on it’s QBR scale than Ben Roethlisberger who won the Super Bowl that year.

    ESPN = FAIL!

  54. richm2256 says: Oct 10, 2011 9:24 PM

    Someday, ESPN will be credible and relevent.

    Not today, of course, or the foreseeable future.

  55. doe22us says: Oct 10, 2011 9:27 PM


  56. tfbuckfutter says: Oct 10, 2011 9:33 PM

    “So, yeah, I’ll continue to ignore ESPN”

    No need to continue that sentence any further.

    I haven’t been to ESPN’s website in like 10 years (God it is awful) and, aside from their actual sports broadcasts, I haven’t watched their network in that long.

  57. warvette says: Oct 10, 2011 9:38 PM

    football rules. math sucks.

  58. sports_dude says: Oct 10, 2011 9:42 PM

    This stat is dumb. Even more of a reason to block ESPN out of my sports life…There are options out there people.

  59. itsmebobd says: Oct 10, 2011 9:44 PM

    I hate the QBR, I hate how they are forcing it down our throats and I posted this same topic on the bengals message boards a week ago. I asbolutely hate it, and am pissed they try force it upon us. The reason being, right now someone is likely to get a rating closer to the A-B-C-D-E-F scale used for grades in school. 12.0 is atrocious, and 158.3 is amazing. Its hard to get over 100 in school, but it was possible with extra credit etc, and we know that if u were to get 130 u did excellant in that class. Bad QB’s get between 50-70 rating, that of an F or D, and avg Qb’s get B’s and C’s, good QB get A’s, we dont need a new system. the only thing the old system didnt incorporate well was rushing yards and TD’s by QB’s, but a whole new system by some math whiz kid who based it off 1 years stats is crap. If they were going to invent a new system, they should have done a better job. I hate it, we all hate it, espn needs to LET IT DIE.

  60. Davo says: Oct 10, 2011 9:44 PM

    Actually, water does boil at 100 degrees…..Celsius! Maybe QBR is the european version of the NFL version.

    Makes we want to eat some Freedom Fries.

  61. mrjnumber1 says: Oct 10, 2011 9:46 PM

    If you’re going to say you prefer a number in a scale, you need to make sure you actually do it. You don’t say “212 degrees” because that has 0 meaning. You also don’t say “I went out and ran 5!” because it has 0 meaning. You say “212 degrees fahrenheit” or “5 miles” because those have meaning to them. Hope this helps.

    With that said, QBR’s dumb as heck. The only measurements that truly determine the value of performance are proper film review instead of cherry-picked statistics..

  62. oarangecrush says: Oct 10, 2011 9:51 PM

    I’m an idiot for reading this article. Bigger one for posting a comment.

  63. tilllman40 says: Oct 10, 2011 9:52 PM

    Ughh espn is terrible, who are they to make own their own qb rating, almost as big of joke as Andy Reid clueless at the Ralph on Sunday.

  64. myshkingfh says: Oct 10, 2011 9:53 PM

    The other week they told me that Joe Flacco was the top QB in the league by QBR. So, uh, yeah.

    Its the stat equivalent to that year when they had the hypothetical matchups between USC and every college championship team ever, and USC won by like 50 against all comers, and then lost to Vince Stinkin’ Young.

  65. sikoix says: Oct 10, 2011 9:54 PM

    I agree with every word in this post. It felt like this moment would be different.

  66. Pat says: Oct 10, 2011 9:56 PM

    If you had been and still were ignoring it, you would have ACTUALLY just ignored it instead of mentioning it for the 12th time still coming off as if you are bitter against not being apart of the World Wide Leader of Sports.

  67. pack13queens0 says: Oct 10, 2011 10:02 PM

    ESPN has become a joke. First they dump Hank Williams Jr. & now they put Tebow ahead of A-Rod? Next they’ll rank Dale Earnhardt Jr. or Jeff Gordon higher than Matt Kenseth.

  68. skins23 says: Oct 10, 2011 10:03 PM

    MFlo – the QBR stat is still more accurate than your power rankings.

  69. rmurdockcp says: Oct 10, 2011 10:06 PM

    I’m sorry but your argument is absolutely ridiculous. First of course Tebow’s rating is based on a small sample size (based on a 4th quarter perfomance which is obviously valued more). Second, you pull one example as “evidence.” Of course there are hundreds of examples that would point to the exact opposite conclsuion. Your other comments (against round numbers? my god that is stupid) are barely worth a mention. And for the record I am neutral re ESPN and I can’t stand Tebow. This is a comment of an anti-intellectual Luddite if I ever saw one.

  70. medtxpack says: Oct 10, 2011 10:08 PM

    you have to have at least 10 attempts for the passer rating.

    QBR is skewed, it was invented by Trent Dilfer folks.

    Teblow played a half, he will win some games but he is NOT a franchise QB, if you think he is, you arent a football fan, youre a team fan, and thats ok.

  71. botchedextrapoint says: Oct 10, 2011 10:23 PM

    Any stat is only as useful as how it gets used. Tebows QBR is high due to one big play and no big mistakes. The sample size is too small. All stats have to pass the eye test. Anybody who saw the games knows Rodgers had the better game. I’m sure PFT posted this story to see how many stupid people would just react to the headline and bash ESPN without thinking. QBR is only a stat and should always be taken with a big grain of salt.

  72. realitypolice says: Oct 10, 2011 10:23 PM

    Both QB ratings systems produce statistical anomalies like that.

    As one poster pointed out, the standard QB rating system gave Sanchez a better rating than Brady yesterday.

    And if NBC had come up with the Total QBR system, you would be saying how obviously greater it was and pointed to the Brady/Sanchez thing as proof.

  73. mrplow3 says: Oct 10, 2011 10:26 PM

    “Yeah, mrplow3, good idea.

    Leave it to the organization that lies to you and tells you are seeing when actual news footage, when in fact you are seeing stuff they completely made up, but told you was real so as to fit their narrative.

    ….And the worst part is I bet people need to tell you which channel I’m talking about for you to figure it out.

    (oh wait, was that too complex for you? sorry.)”

    Hey weirdo, I’m not talking about MSNBC or Fox News. So why don’t you go punch a small animal you angry little man.

    Leave us norms here to talk sports. (of course I use the term “norms” very loosely)

  74. Andre's Johnson says: Oct 10, 2011 10:28 PM

    My new defensive player rating system that espn can shove up its butt (DPRSTECSUIB) says that Vince Wilfork is a better defensive back than Nnamdi Asomugha because Wilfork has two interceptions this season and Nnamdi only has one.

  75. nicardoneil says: Oct 10, 2011 10:28 PM

    You’re article as quite silly and a bit too snarky. Ok, I get it you aren’t a fan of ESPN (what a shocker…u work for a rival network), but get over yourself. You’re argument makes no sense because you’re basically saying that Tebow couldn’t possibly have had a better game because he didn’t play as long, lost, and had less stats. Thats not what QB ratings are about (whether its QBR or the ole system). Its about what a QB does in the time he’s given and what were the results. By the regular system both QB’s weren’t tht far apart either. By the current rating Colin Kapernick who only had 3 pass attempts had essentially the same rating as Rogers. Both systems aren’t perfect but dissing the system because Tebow was rated higher one week is silly.

  76. dmobey says: Oct 10, 2011 10:33 PM

    Watch out, Rogers will claim he’s being disrespected.

  77. roseann894 says: Oct 10, 2011 10:37 PM

    If the conventional rating system is too complicated for folks, how about this instead: Passing yards MINUS interception return yards DIVIDED BY pass attempts. Doesn’t penalize the harmless INT e.g. on a hail mary pass, and doesn’t reward cheap TDs. I call it the QRSTMAS (QB Rating System That MAkes Sense). A good rating is around 7.0, perfection would be right about 10.0 and poor is around a 3 or 4. Fantasy leagues would be wise to incorporate it.

  78. purpleisreallypinkyouknow says: Oct 10, 2011 10:45 PM

    Sure, sure…..and anyone that watched that game saw how sick some of Rodgers’ throws were in tough spots and on the run.
    Tebow couldn’t throw the balls Rodgers did last night playing as himself on Madden ’12 versus this year’s Vikings….against a loaf of bread.
    Remember what eventually happens to rushing QBs….it ends poorly. Something little Timmy (and that Vick guy) will learn the hard way.

  79. 6ball says: Oct 10, 2011 10:48 PM


    Does this mean that Rogers could remain in the NFL as a backup to Tebow? Or must he “get on with his life’s work “? (to quote Chuck Noll).


  80. dannomac21 says: Oct 10, 2011 11:18 PM

    Coincidentally, Tebow 8:32 is my favorite bible verse.


    phenomenal. hardest ive laughed reading comments on here.

  81. goldrush36 says: Oct 10, 2011 11:33 PM

    Let Alexis enjoy his one moment (even though it’s a bogus stat) of being the best QB in the league. That said he’s also 3rd in the league for passer rating behind only Rodgers and Brady. So that isn’t reliable either lol. Now Smith is certainly improved, but not # 3 in the league….

  82. deebo92 says: Oct 10, 2011 11:39 PM

    Bout to have a delicious Sunday dinner..does anyone know how hot the water needs to be to boil?

  83. stairwayto7 says: Oct 10, 2011 11:48 PM

    ESPN new QB rating has Trent Dilfer #1 all time with Quincy Carter and Ryan Leaf right behind him!

  84. minnysoda says: Oct 10, 2011 11:59 PM

    1st of all thank God that Tebow didn’t play against the Packers the Pack would have lost Whoosh just dodged that bullet but BrINT is talking to an Atlanta “news” paper again

    Looking at reporter and talking with his ahh shucks I am great look BrINT speaks:

    “With all the talent around (tap tappity tap tap tap click whirrrr (picture being taken) send) Aaron should never have a QB rating less than any QB if I had that talent I would have 10 TD’s per game and never throw an Int because they never drop TD passes or run the wrong routes like the crappy talent I had when I was there

    Reporter: “Are those new Crocs BrINT ? Please put that away I don’t want to see that. Who are you texting now a younger looking Deanna?”

    BrINT no my tastes have changed I’m texting Betty White with all my injuries we would both have to be careful so no bones are broken”

  85. jmacphee9 says: Oct 11, 2011 12:04 AM

    mrplow3 says:
    Oct 10, 2011 8:24 PM
    I hate ESPN as much as the next guy, they are politically correct tools. However, you guys at NBC are no better (except Dan Patrick, he’s awesome)

    If we could pass a law leaving NFL coverage to CBS and Fox only, I’d be the first person to sign it.

    this cannot be stated enough times, NBCs coverage of all sports is even worse then ESPNs and i thought that was hard to beat…

  86. gobills716 says: Oct 11, 2011 12:05 AM

    I might be mistaken, but doesn’t the ESPN Total QB Rating factor in how much you love Jesus?

  87. dellied says: Oct 11, 2011 12:37 AM

    You think that’s bad? Last week, Hasselbeck, with a 50% completion rate, was ahead of Rodgers in that absolutely ridiculous 6TD game against the Broncos in total QBR.

    What a frickin’ joke.

  88. sportsmediacritic says: Oct 11, 2011 12:40 AM

    I’m not a fan of Tebow, but I do think passing rating is kinda stupid because it doesn’t count rushing yards and rushing TDs.

    A QB that completes 60% of his passes, throws for 3,000 yards is not as good as a QB that completes 60% of his passes, throws for 3,000 yards and runs for another 800 yards and 10 TDs.

  89. scytherius says: Oct 11, 2011 12:44 AM

    Wow. Maybe the Packers can engineer a trade!

    lol This stat is as useless as their Monday Night Broadcast team.

  90. starvinharvin says: Oct 11, 2011 1:20 AM

    McNabb’s QBR must be off the McCharts.

  91. levingibbs says: Oct 11, 2011 1:20 AM

    the thing that’s so funny is that people are really only rejecting this stat because it’s from ESPN. Are you serious?

  92. rajbais says: Oct 11, 2011 1:28 AM

    Told y’all!!! ESPN IS in bed with Tebow!!!

  93. MCxShow says: Oct 11, 2011 1:53 AM


  94. buzzbissinger says: Oct 11, 2011 1:55 AM

    “So, yeah, I’ll continue to ignore ESPN’s Total QBR stat.”

    Sorry, I just read the headline. What was this thread about?

  95. cobibones13 says: Oct 11, 2011 2:09 AM

    I wonder what ESPN’s own Merril Hoge thinks of this, lol.

  96. childressrulz says: Oct 11, 2011 2:23 AM

    Running QBs are a joke. They never win the big one. There are RBs to run the ball. ESPN’s new stat is a total waste of time.

  97. descendency says: Oct 11, 2011 3:42 AM

    ESPN just has to fix some of the “clutch” variable issues. Basically (from my understanding), scoring a “critical” (game winning, or one that gets you back into the game) TD in the last few minutes is too much more important than scoring it in the second quarter.

    Total QBR is definitely better than the NFL’s QB Rating system, though. If you don’t think the NFL’s QB Rating is broken, I have no idea if you even watch football.

  98. truthserum4u says: Oct 11, 2011 4:28 AM

    Mike –

    Many in and around the NFL have complained about the passer rating, they just haven’t taken the time or effort to devise something in its place.

    No one seems to fully understand the passer rating system either. It rewards QBs for throwing shorter, high percentage passes. It doesn’t take into account other aspects of QB play such as taking sacks or fumbling and never considers the context of the game. A QB can push his rating up by getting garbage yards in the 4th quarter; down by 21 and the defense playing prevent.

    And if you’re going to take a random sampling (Tebow/Rodgers) to show how something doesn’t make sense, then do so with the passer rating as well. Here, I’ll do it for you:

    Broncos vs. Bengals week 2

    Andy Dalton

    27 of 41 – 65.9%
    332 yrds
    8.1 yrd per att
    2 TD
    0 Int
    107 rating

    Kyle Orton

    15 of 25 – 60%
    195 yrds
    7.8 yrd per att
    2 TD
    0 Int
    111 rating

    More yards, more yards per attempt, better completion percentage and the same number of TDs & Ints and a lower rating. Hmmmm…..

  99. justadude71 says: Oct 11, 2011 4:28 AM

    skinoclock says: Oct 10, 2011 8:54 PM

    if you change those runs to completions it does make sense 10/16 117 yds 2 tds vs 26/39 2 tds… old QB rating also gives the same result..

    not saying this makes sense, but it does give a good idea of the impact of a player and Tebow did have it.


    Strangely enough, a said goal of the Total QBR is to factor in everything a QB does to help his team.

    Floboy, Tebow being ahead of Rodgers this week doe not make Tebow a better QB. Just to ease you mind.

  100. jimmysee says: Oct 11, 2011 4:48 AM

    First comes to mind —– “Garbage in Garbage Out.”

    or .. to quote Mark Twain — “There are lies — there are damned lies, and then there are statistics.”

    Either one fits here.

  101. funkylovemonkey says: Oct 11, 2011 5:12 AM

    ninerdynasty says:
    Oct 10, 2011 8:26 PM
    Dont forget that Alice Smith had the top total qb rating in the league… LOL!! WTF.. ESPN has to rethink this…
    dont get sack or throw ints and u’ll be the best.. what a joke! lol


    You realize that right now Alex Smith has the third highest Quarter Back Rating in the NFL under the traditional system too right? So far this season his rating is 104.1 below Brady and Aaron Rodgers.

    I also have no idea what you mean by the not get sacked thing, since Alex Smith has been sacked a lot this season (14 times).

    I find it odd that someone with the name ninerdynasty likes to come onto this board to rip niner players, especially players who are having the best season of their career. Or maybe you don’t really care for the team and just like the colors.

  102. cleekk says: Oct 11, 2011 5:17 AM

    Seems to me that any individual stat is ridiculous in a team sport. A running back’s yards are dependent on his offensive line. Peyton Manning’s stats are also dependent on his offensive line, his receivers, his coaches, etc. A quarterback that spends his day running for his life will have bad stats, but he may not necessarily be a bad qb. How many QBs have left lousy teams with lousy stats to end up on great teams and finish with great stats (Steve Young, Doug Williams). Yet week after week after week you see Quarterback comparisons that make no sense. Brady has more rings than Manning – therefore he is the better QB completely ignores that there are 22 guys on the field at any one time. It ignores the coaching factor. Ben Roethlisberger seems to have lousy stats, but when the chips are down, he sort of wills himself and his team to another level. Indy has never had anything that approached a dominant Defense – yet they still won a Super Bowl – there are just too many factors in a game to come up with a valid rating for a QB that sticks.

  103. funkylovemonkey says: Oct 11, 2011 5:32 AM

    The QBR system is something that I think is valuable, even if all the kinks haven’t been worked out. I would hope that at the end of the season they will look at the system and tweak it.

    Still, your example isn’t really that strong. Aaron Rodgers played the entire game, threw a lot more, and scored twice. Tebow came late, didn’t throw as much, and still scored twice.

    Shouldn’t that be recognized? 14 points is 14 points no matter how you get them, and the fact is the current Quarterback Rating system doesn’t pay attention to everything the Quarterback does on the field. Most notably it pays no attention to running the ball. A quarterback who is able to run the ball and score in the end zone under the old system was valued less then a traditional pocket passer.

    I also don’t think that ESPN is really shoving it down anyone’s throat. Maybe if you spend all day watching ESPN… But go to their site and click on Passer Statistics. They don’t even have the QBR rating on their Quarterback statistics page. You have to seek out the specific article in which they publish them to find the numbers. But on their statistics pages they simply have the old Quarterback Rating without their QBR. Doesn’t feel like they’re shoving it down anyone’s throat, in fact I expected ESPN to feature it more then they do.

  104. scudbot says: Oct 11, 2011 6:21 AM

    nicardoneil, QBR says that Alex Smith is the best QB in the NFL for the season.

    Smith: 83/126, 965 yds, 65.9%, 7.66 yds/completion, 7 TDs, 1 INT, 2 fumbles, PR 104.1

    Rodgers: 129/180, 1,721 yds, 71.7%, 9.56 yds/completion, 14 TDs, 2 INT, 1 fumble, PR 122.9

    Forget stats. Anybody who has watched both QBs this season and would pick Smith over Rodgers is a fool. QBR is a joke.

  105. EJ says: Oct 11, 2011 7:28 AM

    Not a very reliable stat.

  106. blackqbwhiterb says: Oct 11, 2011 7:32 AM

    Quit trying to turn football into baseball, with endless numbers and stats… is about power and emotion and speed, not statistics. Like Al said, “Just win, baby!”

  107. cuda1234 says: Oct 11, 2011 7:43 AM

    Why would anyone be surprised that ESPN is promoting Tim Tebow? Aren’t they the organization that did a documentary on his high school career? And his college career? And his heisman year? And his draft prep? And, my personal favorite, Timmy Picks An Agent? That network has lost its way. Thanks to NBC sports for filling that void and giving us some real sports programming.

  108. nflofficeadmin says: Oct 11, 2011 7:43 AM

    We’ll see what it is after he’s played a few weeks.. mechanics not pretty, but damn this guy can get it in.

  109. cleverbob says: Oct 11, 2011 8:01 AM

    To all the folks getting hung up on his boiling water comments – work on your reading comprehension.

    “Second, I prefer my measurables with non-metric scales. Water boils at 212 degrees, not 100.”

    Taken in full context, its perfectly clear that he prefers the Fahrenheit scale over the Celsius (metric) scale. Weak jokes are made weaker when you have to explain them…

  110. vadog says: Oct 11, 2011 8:10 AM

    I HATE QUARTERBACKS!!! The little “Media Darlings” get way to much attention. In case you “journalists” don’t realize it, football is a TEAM SPORT!!!

    There are just a bunch of glass slippers playing quarterback in the NFL these days. They are no more football players than punters are!!

  111. jera1234 says: Oct 11, 2011 8:22 AM

    Hey guys, the whole point of the QBR is that it takes into account everything the QB does, not just passing yards and completions. What Tebow DID do was generate two TD’s. How many did Rogers generate? Two.

    Tebow had 117 yards of total offense but that was for half a game. IF we double Tebows stats that puts him at 236 yards of total offense. And oh yeah, FOUR touchdowns.

    So would you rather have the QB that generated 4 TD’s or 2 TD’s?

    Yeah, espn is stupid.

  112. dougy1970 says: Oct 11, 2011 8:29 AM

    No QB rating would be complete without measuring the impact of QB rushing yards. Whether you believe a running QB can win/survive in the NFL or not, there is no difference between a QB that runs 8 yards for a first down or throws 8 yards for a first down.

    This fact is why John Elway is the greatest QB who ever played, even though his passer rating is behind Marino’s.

  113. getyourownname says: Oct 11, 2011 8:32 AM

    Actually, you’re all only partly right. Water boils at 212, or 100, or some other temp depending on the air pressure (and elevation).

    In other words, all things are never equal.

  114. scudbot says: Oct 11, 2011 8:46 AM

    vadog, you’re watching the wrong sport. Try WWE.

  115. vadog says: Oct 11, 2011 8:57 AM

    Actually scudbot, the way the NFL is going in protecting the glass slippers, the contact is about as “real” as the contact in professional wrasslin’.

    None of the quarterbacks playing today would have last an entire series 40 years ago!!

  116. godofwine330 says: Oct 11, 2011 9:05 AM

    This is such BS. They are seriously trying to ram a sub-par, taller, stronger version of Eric Crouch down our throats. Add to it, they are going to tell me that a guy who completed 40% of his passes for 79 yards for 2TDs (1 rushing, 1 passing) is better than a guy who completed 66.6% of his passes for 396 and 2TDs?

    Get outta town. No wonder I stopped watching BSPN years ago (except for PTI & Around the Horn, they are cool). Thank God for NFL Network (“Good Morning. Good Morning, to you”)

    BTW, I want to thank BSPN for not renewing Rich Eisen’s contract a few years ago. Because of that mistake, you allowed him to branch out to the fledgling NFL Network where he has flourished. Now, I don’t have to be inundated with Chris Berman’s 20+ year old shtick. Eisen, who is knowledgable, funny AND comes up with new material constantly. So now, on my favorite network I don’t hear a guy and felt like I have heard his before. Same soup, reheated.

    So thank you, BSPN. Thank you for Rich Eisen, but you can keep Tim Tebow. Great college QB, not an NFL QB at all, and I will offer to say will never have a game in his career where he outplays Rodgers in the same week.

  117. richm2256 says: Oct 11, 2011 9:07 AM

    Okay, I’ve had enough of this crap. I’m going to write a new way to measure quarterback performance right now:

    Did you have more completions than incompletions? 1 point

    Twice as many? 2 points

    Did you throw for more yardage in this game than the combined average of all starting QB’s last week? 1 point

    Did you throw for a touchdown? 1 point.

    Did you throw 4 or more TD’s? 5 points

    Did you WIN the game? 2 points

    Did your defense save your a$$ and win the game FOR you? -5 points

    Did you throw an interception? -1 point (each INT)

    Did you get sacked? -1 point (each sack)

    Did you run for more than 10 yards total? -20 points (you’re a quarterback, moron, you’re supposed to THROW the ball. We have running backs to run with it!)

    Did you have to hide in the trainer’s room after the game until all the reporters left? -5 points

    I’ll leave the rest of you to sort through this and apply it to an actual performance to see how accurate it is.

  118. tundey says: Oct 11, 2011 9:09 AM

    I don’t like QBR because it uses subjective metrics in what’s supposed to be a quantitative measurement. Plus, I hate a rating that has to be calculated by a bunch of nerds/suits at ESPN.

    However, this specific issue isn’t proof of the QBR’s suckiness. Even with the classic “Passer Rating”, a replacement QB can come in, throw a TD pass of 20 yards and get a perfect 158.3 score. Does that mean he’s better than Rodgers with 117 score for 4 quarters?

  119. Derty Ernie says: Oct 11, 2011 9:24 AM

    I think you proved your point well. Comparing a mediocre Tebow performance to what Aaron Rogers did and placing Tebow ahead is just plain silly.
    The glaring flaw in the QBR is who you are playing.
    Tebow wasn’t going up against the Falcons at home.
    Rogers wasn’t up against whomever Denver lost to and Denver was at home.

  120. philriverslovespenis says: Oct 11, 2011 9:54 AM

    lance19 says:
    Oct 10, 2011 8:42 PM
    Last season, Tebow ran all over the
    Chargers, Timmy-Nation went wild,
    and, oh, the Chargers won.

    Yesterday, Tebow ran all over the
    Chargers, Timmy-Nation went wild,
    and, oh, the Chargers won.

    I love those Bronco fans.
    Y’all keep being thrilled by a guy who can’t
    pass, running all over the field.
    And my Chargers will keep taking the Ws.
    Except in AFC Championship games and Super Bowls, right lance?

  121. davisjosh20 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:14 AM

    he prefaced his comment about water boiling that he preferred his measurements without metrics, therefore, it doesn’t need the Celcius added. stupid people kill me.

  122. goawayeverybody says: Oct 11, 2011 10:15 AM

    Why is there no link in this article?

  123. woodsa22 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:30 AM

    I have a creative QB Rating system i would like to add.

    6 points for a TD with an opportunity to kick for an extra point. If you crazy enough you can go for 2 points.

    3 points for a field goal.

    Sometimes its not about being 35/40 for 500 yards 4 tds and 0 ints. Sometimes its about the Team with the Most Points WINS.

  124. kingmiedus says: Oct 11, 2011 11:12 AM

    Why is the US the only industrialised country not using the metric system?

  125. tatatoothy says: Oct 11, 2011 1:58 PM

    Suck it Merrill Hoge. You sucked as a running back and suck even more as an analyst. And really, who names their kid Merrill?

  126. jaymc1988 says: Oct 11, 2011 8:22 PM

    i agree 100%.. total QBR sucks… at first i liked the idea bec of all the qb rushers and things of that nature but as the weeks went on and i seen who was gettin ahead of who and how it worked.. i turn 2 hate it.. bring back the old system.. if u want see how a QB does rushin look at his rushing stats.. QBR should be for passing attempts only and if the QB should happen 2 run then it wouldnt affect his rating what so ever…
    i liked the experiment but its obviously not accurate on judging a QB . reverse it or atleat give up both stats.. with the original being first then factoring in total qbr

  127. mpc203 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:49 PM

    Ah, There’s one. So here it goes – This article is the equivalent of a journalist writing something like “OPS stat puts Jorge Posada ahead of Robinson Cano” 10 at-bats into the season. So what if it does? Tebow was responsible for 16 plays and his team scored two touchdowns. Aaron Rodgers was responsible for 47 plays and his team scored two touchdowns. Who did more with what they had? Tebow. Like the baseball example above, just let the season play out. Of course Tebow isn’t the better QB. Whoever thinks this stats suggests that has never heard the term “sample size” before and therefore should not be allowed to comment on message boards.

    If you’re going to bash a new metric (keep in mind things like RBI were once a joke), at least read past the headline.

  128. axespray says: Oct 12, 2011 11:41 AM

    lol, alex smith and tim tebow ranked ahead of Rodgers/Brady/Brees.


  129. apm says: Oct 12, 2011 1:19 PM

    I bet Gruden LOVES the QBR. Greatest stat ever!

  130. unosonnn says: Oct 12, 2011 2:03 PM

    does that mean that Willis McGahee had a perfect game for a quarterback?

    Rushing quarterbacks get respect by their rushing stats. If their passer rating is high along with their rushing stats, then they will get respect for having an amazing game.

    ESPN is making a stat that is not needed. Should we have a Total RBR or a Total WRR? What about a Total TER? These guys should be recognized for their blocking abilities, their rushing abilities, how hard they can hit, etc. Leave the stats how they are and just recognize that their salaries are a huge part of how well they have played in the past.

  131. robcypher says: Oct 14, 2011 1:57 AM

    Easy to fix the QB Rating stat so people that complete a single pass don’t score better than someone who played a whole game. Simply multiply the QB Rating (after it’s formulated) by the percentage of throws that player made in the game for his team. IE if a player only throws 1 pass and another player throws the other 19, then you would multiply 158.3 x .05 (the percentage of throws the one-time passer made for the team) to get the “true” QB rating.

  132. raylewis52 says: Oct 14, 2011 10:48 AM

    Rogers read this and was flabbergasted.

  133. revolution22 says: Oct 15, 2011 11:50 PM

    Tebow 8:32 says Rodgers just whooped your ass!

  134. cluelessdufus says: Oct 16, 2011 1:48 PM

    Wow this a joke there trying to give people a good laugh. Hopefully

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