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Jets explain presence of camera man on sidelines

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Well, the latest NFL controversy was over before it even really began.

Many of you have been up in arms regarding the presence of a man with a camera on the Jets sideline during Sunday’s game against the Patriots.  The camera was pointing out onto the field, and possibly across the field to the Pats sideline.

The Jets have explained to PFT that the man with the camera “works for Jets TV and shoots footage for our team programming.”

The Jets also have pointed out that the league’s 2011 policy on sideline media access permits “[c]lub video crews and video crews from television stations that produce and telecast club-licensed programming (e.g. coaches’ shows, team magazine-style shows, etc.) may also be permitted to have a camera on the sidelines to shoot footage for those club-licensed programs only.”

Also, club-related sideline video personnel are required to wear lime green vests.  The man shown with a camera was wearing a lime green vest.

Thus, the presence of the camera doesn’t constitute a violation of the rules.  And any team can do it.

But how does anyone know that the footage shot by a team employee won’t be used by the team for some improper purpose?

If coaches are paranoid about the placement by NFL Films of microphones into the pads of offensive linemen, how can coaches be OK with the presence of cameramen who work not for the league or NFL films but for the team that could misuse the images captured by the cameras?

This one just seems odd.  Maybe every coach is fine with it because every coach has an in-house camera guy potentially doing precisely what the Patriots used to do, with only the addition of a lime green vest.  Or maybe the lime green vest makes it easy to track the guy with the camera in order to make sure no funny business is happening.

Still, it seems odd — to say the least — that NFL teams would want to have to worry about this.

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  1. thehelmutt says: Oct 11, 2011 9:59 AM

    Either way the Bears still suck though, right?

  2. PFTiswhatitis says: Oct 11, 2011 10:00 AM

    Sure! A Jets employee with a camera being used for NOT cheating….of course.

  3. sdelmonte says: Oct 11, 2011 10:00 AM

    All I can say is that if I had a camera at that game, the only footage I’d want was of the Pats. And I was rooting for the Jets.

  4. pawesl says: Oct 11, 2011 10:01 AM

    I’m actually quite disgusted that people have raised a stink over nothing. And Pats fans of all people are rehashing old crap.

    But I am glad you acknowledged that all teams have done this.

  5. tfbuckfutter says: Oct 11, 2011 10:02 AM

    Just another example of how Spygate was wildly blown out of proportion by an over-zealous new commissioner.

  6. hairpie says: Oct 11, 2011 10:03 AM

    Goodell still works for the Jets… thats pretty obvious. Oh, and “the heart of Spygate” wasnt about cracking defensive codes, it was about timing defensive substitutions in order to get a possible illegal substitution penalty.

  7. kate773 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:03 AM

    What a joke. So all Matt Walsh had to do is throw a lime green vest on and Spygate wouldn’t have happened?

    This is exactly what I thought would happen. Lame excuse, swept under the rug.

  8. kbrebner says: Oct 11, 2011 10:03 AM

    there’s no way of policing it, short of denying anyone working for the team access to the field with a camera, which would never happen.

  9. nflofficeadmin says: Oct 11, 2011 10:04 AM

    So Jets will still be able to draft Luck?

  10. kate773 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:05 AM

    tfbuckfutter says:
    Oct 11, 2011 10:02 AM
    Just another example of how Spygate was wildly blown out of proportion by an over-zealous new commissioner.

    ______________________________

    Bingo.

  11. richm2256 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:05 AM

    This lame explanation is total bull-sheet.

    I’d love to hear Belichick’s reaction to this excuse. Bob Kraft needs to have a little chat with Goodell.

    This turd of an explanation isn’t flying.

  12. zimaman says: Oct 11, 2011 10:06 AM

    and this is exactly why “spygate” was over hyped and it’s value was minimal at best

    the players on the field “play to win the game”

    the game is way to fast especially with no huddle for the tapes to provide any value

    go ahead morons – give me a thumbs down to protect your dynastys or wanna bees (you know who I am talking about dont you)

  13. redrew says: Oct 11, 2011 10:07 AM

    Why is the the entire Jets sideline looking to their left, but the camera man is shooting straight across the field? Belichick and the Patriots were punished for taking advantage of a gray area. Now Fat Rex is giving the middle finger to league rules. Good thing Goodell is a lifelong Jets fan

  14. The Fantasy Curmudgeon says: Oct 11, 2011 10:07 AM

    This is stupid. Teams could simply put an obscure employee in street clothes with a video camera in the stands and no one would be the wiser. There is no way to stop teams learning your signals and calls over time, which is why most teams change them every few games if not sooner.

    If the NFL wanted to stop this, they would put the radios in every single player’s helmet so signals were never displayed on the sideline at all.

  15. tedmurph says: Oct 11, 2011 10:07 AM

    Ahhh, Mike, defensive signals are radioed in through the helmet, not by hand signals. since 2008.

  16. skoobyfl says: Oct 11, 2011 10:08 AM

    How many cameras are in the stadium during the game, thousands ?? This is like splitting hairs now.

  17. gergie1957 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:10 AM

    My guess is all the NFL teams try to steal coaching signs in some way. With technology today it should be pretty easy.

  18. minkytails says: Oct 11, 2011 10:11 AM

    It was a controversy in your own mind, sir.

  19. ny82jy says: Oct 11, 2011 10:11 AM

    This is a non story. They didnt beeak any rules. You guys at pft just love to try and create any jets drama you can. Two articles on this topic today and nothing wrong was done. Try posting articles of meaningful storys. O wait you guys will just wait till the next ryan press conference and then take what he says and twist it around on here to make it look like hes talking crap like always. I know the pats fans got excited over this cause they know they are the real cheaters but sorry guys.

  20. bullcharger says: Oct 11, 2011 10:11 AM

    Having team cameras for any reason on the sideline seems to taking the practice far less serious than they did a few years ago. I guess the defensive helmet radio changed things to the point where they don’t have to worry so much about signal stealing anymore.

  21. nyjalleffingday says: Oct 11, 2011 10:12 AM

    Hahahaha I swear I just heard a giant collective groan coming from the north. Nothing to see here, folks.

  22. hairpie says: Oct 11, 2011 10:13 AM

    Why doesnt the league just demand to look at the tape, just like they did to the Pats?

  23. ny82jy says: Oct 11, 2011 10:15 AM

    How much you wanna bet the pats had a video guy on the sidine to sunday. If its not illegal i bet they have someone too just like probably every other team.

  24. dan1919 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:17 AM

    Give the Patriots a supplemental 1st round pick and all will be good. What a joke – just proves Goodell doesn’t have a clue at what he is doing.

  25. browntown57 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:17 AM

    Most coaches hold a giant, laminated, color-coded chart containing plays and formations in front of their faces for the world to see during a game. If they are not concerned with other teams stealing that, I don’t really think this is much of an issue, either.

  26. j0esixpack says: Oct 11, 2011 10:19 AM

    The NFL Rules also permit taping of play calling and plays from the stands as well – and now as we see they allow taping from the sidelines, with absolutely no threat of having the NFL check the video to see if play calling is being taped.

    (Telescopic microphones and telephoto camera lenses for lip reading or “hearing” plays generally make sideline taping unnecessary – with the NFL approved stand taping sufficing just fine)

    In a nutshell, for fans too stupid to add 1 and 1 to make 2, means that taping of playcalling continues today, as it has since the 1950s (as confirmed by Al Davis in his 1969 interview with Lee Groscup for Sport Magazine)

    Most fans ARE stupid however and continue to beat the “Patriots are cheaters” drum regardless of the facts and the rules allowing it

    How they rationalize the fact that coaches across the NFL routinely cover their mouths when calling in plays, I’m not sure, but I’m never surprised to find out how stupid many NFL fans are – or how blinded they are by their hatred for successful teams.

    The fact of the matter is that all teams have an even playing field when it comes to stealing signals – those that think the Patriots had an advantage in 2007 or the Jets have one now are just sad and deluded.

  27. mrzazz41387 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:20 AM

    You guys are morons. Do you honestly think the Jets would label a guy videotaping illegally in a jets shirt, and put him right behind our offensive coordinator?

  28. pfii63 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:20 AM

    Yes, and let’s remember that it was the Yets taping habits that started Spygate.

    What later came out tho is that the Yets are making highlight tapes of Sanchize in order to trade this sorry excuse of an NFL quarterback. To date the tape is empty. But they have a great magazine spread!

  29. descendency says: Oct 11, 2011 10:22 AM

    Did he get a shot of Bill Belichick smiling after the Patriots whacked the Jets?

  30. darthvincent says: Oct 11, 2011 10:23 AM

    hairpie says: Why doesnt the league just demand to look at the tape, just like they did to the Pats?

    …and demand to see all previous tapes taking by this Jets employee…

  31. larryfinfan says: Oct 11, 2011 10:25 AM

    ny82jy: Yeah, right, like the media doesn’t pay any attention to the jests ever…sheez…if the jests didn’t exist, neither would half the media yoyos…

  32. richm2256 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:25 AM

    redrew says:
    Why is the the entire Jets sideline looking to their left, but the camera man is shooting straight across the field?
    ———————————————————

    Absolutely RIGHT! The coaches are looking to their left while the camera is pointed to the right. And it would HAVE to be pointed across at the Patriot sideline.

    If this guy “works for Jets TV and shoots footage for our team programming”, THEN WHY IS HE FILMING THE PATRIOTS instead of the Jets?????

    This excuse isn’t flying, and I don’t expect the Patriots to accept it.

    Nice try, Rex.

    Your team cheats, AND sucks!!!!!!!

  33. savannahrose44 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:28 AM

    “works for Jets TV and shoots footage for our team programming.”

    What footage could he possibly be filming that isn’t already filmed by the League cameras already present and generally with a better viewpoint than this camera man would ever have?

  34. supashug says: Oct 11, 2011 10:29 AM

    dumb article

  35. drduckbutterer says: Oct 11, 2011 10:29 AM

    I work for an NFL team and the video staffs for all teams do this. Lots of promos have in game footage from the field.

  36. turdfurgerson68 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:30 AM

    Rex Ryan: big mouth..blowhard…CHEATER.

  37. mrconnors says: Oct 11, 2011 10:30 AM

    Goodell used to work for the Jets, so it’s okay.

    Everything is only an issue when the Patriots do it. Because, you know, Brady has a super model wife and stuff. And Belichick is a grouch.

  38. richm2256 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:31 AM

    ny82jy says:
    Oct 11, 2011 10:11 AM
    This is a non story. They didnt beeak any rules. You guys at pft just love to try and create any jets drama you can. Two articles on this topic today and nothing wrong was done. Try posting articles of meaningful storys. O wait you guys will just wait till the next ryan press conference and then take what he says and twist it around on here to make it look like hes talking crap like always. I know the pats fans got excited over this cause they know they are the real cheaters but sorry guys.

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    The reaction we would expect from a Jets fan, low-key the whole thing.

    I’ll ask every one of you posters to ask yourself one simple question, and you KNOW what your answer to this would be:

    How big of a ruckus would this be, if that was the Patriots doing this????

    You people would be SCREAMING for Roger Goodell to do something.

  39. Patskrieg dot com says: Oct 11, 2011 10:35 AM

    2-3*

  40. mrconnors says: Oct 11, 2011 10:37 AM

    Oh yeah, and imagine if this were the Patriots instead of the Jets. We would have 15 topics on it, 3000 posts by the typical bozos on this site, crying about how it’s just a big conspiracy and cover up, and how Belichick should be banned from the league, the Patriots be docked every draft pick for 10 years, and the organization fined 50 million dollars.

    Do you think the explanation “works for Patriots TV and shoots footage for our team programming” would really fly?

    We’ve already been defending our team for the past 5 years over the non-story that was spygate in the first place.

  41. 6ball says: Oct 11, 2011 10:39 AM

    .

    The patriots should be stripped of 5 years of first round picks. After all, this is their second “involvement “.

    .

  42. leftysmoke says: Oct 11, 2011 10:40 AM

    Let’s make this clear: Belichick cheated.

    Thanks.

  43. grilledjesus says: Oct 11, 2011 10:42 AM

    I hope he got tape of Cromartie getting torched by lil Dieon Branch.

  44. tfbuckfutter says: Oct 11, 2011 10:43 AM

    Lets get serious you guys……the cameraman was not there to do any illegal taping.

    He was there to trip opposing players.

  45. nyjalleffingday says: Oct 11, 2011 10:48 AM

    @richm

    Can we go back to Jest/Jests? The Not Yets/Yets was never funny/clever to begin with.

  46. nyj69 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:50 AM

    The Jets were filming from their own sidelines. The cameraman is directly behind Brian Schottenheimer. There is nothing he could have filmed that the players and coaches couldn’t have seen for themselves and committed to memory regardless. The Patriots were filming from the Jets sideline. This isn’t even comparable, there’s absolutely no connection.

  47. tallguyme says: Oct 11, 2011 10:50 AM

    Rex Ryacheat

  48. jivinitrotton says: Oct 11, 2011 10:50 AM

    Notice you didnt hear anything abut a camera man from the jets before. but they lost 2 in a ow goin in to new england and needed a win desperatly. i have both teams but this is how you ell goodteams from bad teams. every team does this but the good teams can sttill win games ha.

  49. bradwins says: Oct 11, 2011 10:51 AM

    Someone owes the Pats a first round pick. Maybe the J-E-T-S? Seems fair to me.

  50. nesuperfan says: Oct 11, 2011 10:53 AM

    There should be specific places where the media can film from, and it should not be behind one of the coordinators DURING the game. They should also be required to wear “Press” prominently displayed, and be barred from wearing things that associate them with the team.

    That guy is clearly wearing Jets’ aparrel…If it looks like a Jet, it probably is a Jet…at least in the case, it clearly stinks like a Jet.

  51. richm2256 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:55 AM

    drduckbutterer says:
    Oct 11, 2011 10:29 AM
    I work for an NFL team and the video staffs for all teams do this. Lots of promos have in game footage from the field.

    ———————————————————
    Right.

    Don’t we all?

    Me, I work undercover for the Seahawks, and I personally know of 23 other PFT posters who work for NFL teams.

  52. richm2256 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:58 AM

    Patskrieg dot com says:
    Oct 11, 2011 10:35 AM
    2-3*

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    Post of the Week!

    (actually laughed when I read this)

  53. Ralphie says: Oct 11, 2011 11:02 AM

    The Fantasy Curmudgeon says:
    Oct 11, 2011 10:07 AM
    This is stupid. Teams could simply put an obscure employee in street clothes with a video camera in the stands and no one would be the wiser. There is no way to stop teams learning your signals and calls over time, which is why most teams change them every few games if not sooner.
    ______________________________

    Teams don’t even need to be in the stands. With the technology they have today they can just as easily film from other places that are sanctioned by the league in the stadium. The Pats did two things wrong in 2007.

    1.They filmed from the field. If their camera guy was in an officially sanctioned spot in the stadium it would have been legal.

    2. Before 2007 many teams in the league were filming from the field and Goodell sent out a memo right after the 2006 season that essentially said “cease an desist filming from the field”. The Pats arrogantly ignored him so he burned their asses. Lesson there: Don’t mess with the new Commish. They did and they paid a price.

    Whatever sideline filming occurred before that new rule was put in place (pre-2007) was not violating any NFL rules – anyone could do it. By the way, you can still tape an opponents signals today – just do it from the right place, and you can still steal signals on the sidelines today, just use any other technology besides video.

    The moral of this story? Always remember that your NFL team will never, ever cheat or steal signals, even if the NFL has given them permission to do it from upstairs or from the sidelines (sans video of course).

  54. marcuswelby70 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:06 AM

    mrconnors says:
    Oct 11, 2011 10:37 AM
    Oh yeah, and imagine if this were the Patriots instead of the Jets. We would have 15 topics on it, 3000 posts by the typical bozos on this site, crying about how it’s just a big conspiracy and cover up, and how Belichick should be banned from the league, the Patriots be docked every draft pick for 10 years, and the organization fined 50 million dollars.

    Do you think the explanation “works for Patriots TV and shoots footage for our team programming” would really fly?

    We’ve already been defending our team for the past 5 years over the non-story that was spygate in the first place.

    ———————————————-

    Spot on mrconnors!

  55. jolink653 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:12 AM

    more to the point does anyone really give a crap? tape all you want it won’t help you with anything as we saw after the patriots got “caught” and then proceeded to go 16-0…i was more pissed about the loss of that draft pick than i was with all the idiots coming out of the woodwork to call the patriots cheaters

  56. steviethewiz says: Oct 11, 2011 11:15 AM

    So what you’re saying is the Pats* are still the only team to be fined and docked a draft pick for cheating…………..Yup still the only cheaters in the whole league.

  57. kellyb9 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:28 AM

    Goodell needs to strip them of both of their Super Bowls over the last two years!

  58. bigperm33 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:30 AM

    so what this is really saying is that what the Patriots were doing is something that really any team can do, so long as they put the guy in the right colored vest? and if so, doesn’t this just underscore the fact that the league overreacted to what the Patriots did and that whatever it was, wasn’t really that big a deal because 1) teams are allowed to shoot video while on the sidelines, and 2) these coaches all know this, all know they are right out in the open sending in signals, and thus unless they are idiots (then shame on them) any signals being sent in from the sidelines are disguised and changed frequently.

  59. Stiller43 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:36 AM

    You could have, you know, waited for the league and/or the Jets to comment on the situation before implying that they were doing a la Spygate.

    But I understand you want page views and comments.

    But also understand the D signals are through the headset now, not displayed to the whole world to tape and take note of.

    Not a Jets fan by any stretch, but they couldn’t be as stupid to put a guy in a highlighter yellow/green vest (as to draw attention to himself) and then put him on the sideline with players and coaches (where EVERYONE can see him) if they were really breaking the rules.

    Or maybe they’re crazy like a fox, who knows.

  60. Andre's Johnson says: Oct 11, 2011 11:37 AM

    Cromartie hired the guy to shoot some footage and send it to his thirty-seven kids. They’ve forgotten what daddy looks like.

  61. 6ball says: Oct 11, 2011 11:39 AM

    .

    So, if the Patriots had a lime green vest on their cameraman, their super bowl victories would restored to untainted glory?

    It’s not a game of inches, it’s a game of vests.

    .

  62. tfbuckfutter says: Oct 11, 2011 11:43 AM

    Stiller43 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:36 AM

    You could have, you know, waited for the league and/or the Jets to comment on the situation before implying that they were doing a la Spygate.

    But I understand you want page views and comments.

    —————————————–

    Or it could be that this part of the website is called RUMOR MILL and not SUBSTANTIATED FACT MILL.

  63. bobbywalsh45 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:45 AM

    the reason why people would want belicheck banned is because he DID cheat, for years, and thus won many games that they would not have won otherwise.

    if you happen to disagree, dont you think it’s a bit odd that the patriots didnt even fight the league, and just kind of shut up until people stopped talking about it.

    that generally means…..GUILTY

  64. marinephinfan says: Oct 11, 2011 11:46 AM

    Jeez…will the Pat love-fest around here ever end? How many more excuses will this writer make for the Pats and their cheating? How many years has it been since the Pats won anything? And when they were winning, what was going on? And since that “going on” was found out, how many things have they won? ;)

    Anyhow, if the Pats tapes showed nothing, why were they destroyed before ANYONE could see them? Just what was on those tapes? Occam’s Razor people- Usually the most simple explainantion is the correct one.

    Meaning…

    Tapes being destroyed= something bad was going on.

    Huge fines= something bad was going on.

    Loss of 1st round draft pick= something bad was going on.

    Conclussion- The Pats were cheaters and their 3 Super Bowls will forever be tainted.

  65. richm2256 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:48 AM

    nyjalleffingday says:
    Oct 11, 2011 10:48 AM
    @richm

    Can we go back to Jest/Jests? The Not Yets/Yets was never funny/clever to begin with.

    ———————————————————
    I’ve explained the “Yet’s” thing before, but you must be new to their bandwagon.

    It’s a reference to the players and fans, for all the loud-mouth predictions that the Jets were “going to the Super Bowl” or were better than teams that DID make it to the Super Bowl, and the countless times their trash-talking players and fans claimed they were going to shut down this team or run over that team.

    When in fact, they haven’t won ANYTHING ………. YET.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, your two-time defending Super Bowl Champions, the New York “Yets”

  66. rc33 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:52 AM

    Spygate was the most overwrought bunch of crap ever. The Jets do something questionable and all anyone can do is put New England back on trial?
    Embarrassing.
    Just move on, for crying out loud.

  67. damnsureis says: Oct 11, 2011 11:52 AM

    nyj69 says:
    The Jets were filming from their own sidelines. The cameraman is directly behind Brian Schottenheimer. There is nothing he could have filmed that the players and coaches couldn’t have seen for themselves and committed to memory regardless. The Patriots were filming from the Jets sideline. This isn’t even comparable, there’s absolutely no connection.

    Wrong. He was on the Patriots sideline. How would he film hand signals given to the field if he was standing behind them?

  68. dsigrey says: Oct 11, 2011 11:53 AM

    This Jet Show camera man just happens to be facing his camera across the field… This whole thing is pointless anyways. Do you really think that any team has time to view (even) live footage, translate it and have it help on the field??? No f’in way. It didn’t work for the Pats (no matter what anyone says) and it won’t work for any other team.

  69. semperfi24 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:55 AM

    steviethewiz says: Oct 11, 2011 11:15 AM

    So what you’re saying is the Pats* are still the only team to be fined and docked a draft pick for cheating…………..Yup still the only cheaters in the whole league.
    ________________________________

    I know the Broncos lost a draft pick for salary cap circumvention in 98′, so I guess you are wrong there. If I am not mistaken, the Steelers also lost a pick for the same thing.

    nyj69 says: Oct 11, 2011 10:50 AM

    The Jets were filming from their own sidelines. The cameraman is directly behind Brian Schottenheimer. There is nothing he could have filmed that the players and coaches couldn’t have seen for themselves and committed to memory regardless. The Patriots were filming from the Jets sideline. This isn’t even comparable, there’s absolutely no connection.
    _______________________________

    Hahahahaha, you must be new around here, the Pats were not busted for filming from New York’s sideline, they were on their own sideline, where did you dream that up from?

    Remember, New England wasnt penalized for what they were filming, they were penalized for where they were filming. If their camera guy was in the front row, “Spygate” never happens

  70. kate773 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:56 AM

    bobbywalsh45 says:
    Oct 11, 2011 11:45 AM
    the reason why people would want belicheck banned is because he DID cheat, for years, and thus won many games that they would not have won otherwise.

    if you happen to disagree, dont you think it’s a bit odd that the patriots didnt even fight the league, and just kind of shut up until people stopped talking about it.

    that generally means…..GUILTY
    ________________________________

    Right. Because no one ever brings up Spygate anymore.

    Its called taking your punishment. They did something wrong, yes. And deserved to be punished. But the offense blew up into something it wasn’t.

  71. kate773 says: Oct 11, 2011 12:01 PM

    Stiller43 says:
    Oct 11, 2011 11:36 AM
    You could have, you know, waited for the league and/or the Jets to comment on the situation before implying that they were doing a la Spygate.

    But I understand you want page views and comments.

    But also understand the D signals are through the headset now, not displayed to the whole world to tape and take note of.

    Not a Jets fan by any stretch, but they couldn’t be as stupid to put a guy in a highlighter yellow/green vest (as to draw attention to himself) and then put him on the sideline with players and coaches (where EVERYONE can see him) if they were really breaking the rules.

    Or maybe they’re crazy like a fox, who knows.
    ________________________________

    Funny how the “in plain sight” excuse was brought up by Pats fans for the last 4 years, but that was never accepted by anyone. Then all of a sudden its perfectly acceptable when a Jets employee does it.

  72. steelerfan999 says: Oct 11, 2011 12:10 PM

    DESPARATION TIME.TRYING ONE LAST HAIL MARY!!!

  73. crownofthehelmet says: Oct 11, 2011 12:13 PM

    @semperfi

    “If their camera guy was in the front row, Spygate never happens”

    But he wasn’t, and it did. And life goes on with Pat’s fans vehemently defending their cheating (or claim it had no benefit – take your pick), and all other fans knowing they cheated, got caught, and were penalized. So go ahead and defend the Pat’s actions or spin it any way you can, but it won’t change what’s already happened and the perceptions that resulted.

  74. nyjalleffingday says: Oct 11, 2011 12:20 PM

    @richm

    I’m not new here or new to being a Jets fan, and as it so happens I do understand the meaning behind something as complex as “Yets.” I’m simply stating it’s not funny nor clever. At least the Jest thing makes me think of those goofs who did the signs wrong and gives me a chuckle

  75. j0esixpack says: Oct 11, 2011 12:21 PM

    Just to sum up:

    1. Filming/Taping other teams plays and play calling is LEGAL under NFL rules as it has been since the 1950s – just not from the sidelines as of 2006.

    2. If doing something the rules allows is deemed “cheating” by idiot fans, so be it – they’re too stupid to read or understand the rules.

    3. The Jets claims that this was for their magazine is laughable – and means that not only are the Jets “cheaters” – they’re also liars, and Goodell’s determination to look the other way in the case of the Jets is shameful.

  76. semperfi24 says: Oct 11, 2011 12:25 PM

    Crown of the helmet, I am not saying the Pats didnt break the rules, they certainly did.

    Answer me this: Would the Patriots gain an advantage from the sideline, but not from the front row??? That is all I am saying. Everyone pretends that New England gained an advantage because they filmed signals. Guess what, they werent punished for what was on the film. They were punished because of where the camera man

    Again, what was on the tapes wasnt the violation, so I dont understand how the placement of a camera makes any difference. And now that the NFL has come out and said you can film from the sideline, what exactly did New England do wrong (other than not make the guy wear lime green)?

  77. to147 says: Oct 11, 2011 12:30 PM

    Is it odd/hypocritical/unexplainable that the NFL threw the book at the Pats for spygate, then turned right around and allowed all teams to do the same thing every week as long as they wear a green vest? Tough to find the logic there.

  78. dennis2488 says: Oct 11, 2011 12:33 PM

    who cares? the patriots didnt do anything wrong in the first place. when did scouting football become illegal? bring as many cameras to the game as you want and point them wherever you want, you still need to actually do something with the material for it to actually work. this is so dumb.

  79. Ralphie says: Oct 11, 2011 12:33 PM

    bobbywalsh45 says:
    Oct 11, 2011 11:45 AM

    if you happen to disagree, dont you think it’s a bit odd that the patriots didnt even fight the league, and just kind of shut up until people stopped talking about it.
    _______________________________

    Think about it; What was there to fight about? They got busted ignoring an edict from the new Commish that said don’t do it. He sent a memo that said “no filming from the sidelines starting in 2007″. They were told clearly not to do something by The Man and they did it anyway. They would have looked pretty damn stupid fighting it because they were in an absolute no-win situation. There was nothing to fight.

  80. caseyanthonymunoz says: Oct 11, 2011 12:36 PM

    First the coaches tripping players, now this. NY Cheats.

  81. jpb12 says: Oct 11, 2011 12:43 PM

    I’m guessing this guy has footage of every player’s feet.

    Seems obvious.

  82. patriotinvasion says: Oct 11, 2011 12:46 PM

    It’s hilarious how the haters say “what have the Patriots won since spygate?” when they went 16-0, were a miraculous catch away from winning the Super Bowl, Brady misses an entire season, and they lose almost every key defensive contribute to their Dynasty…and STILL have gone 57-17 since 2007 with a rebuilding roster…

    Keeping hating and thinking a geek with a camera can make 53 men win not 1, not 2, but 3 Super Bowls. We love it. Change your signals ladies….we did during that time ;-)

  83. kate773 says: Oct 11, 2011 12:50 PM

    semperfi24 says:
    Oct 11, 2011 12:25 PM
    Crown of the helmet, I am not saying the Pats didnt break the rules, they certainly did.

    Again, what was on the tapes wasnt the violation, so I dont understand how the placement of a camera makes any difference. And now that the NFL has come out and said you can film from the sideline, what exactly did New England do wrong (other than not make the guy wear lime green)?
    _________________________________

    EXACTLY

  84. routerunner says: Oct 11, 2011 1:06 PM

    We all know the Jets wouldn’t use thoe tapes for anything other than what they say they are. that would be unethical and we all know the Jets character is beyond reproach. Especially their team trainers standing on the sidelines.

  85. marinephinfan says: Oct 11, 2011 1:12 PM

    @SEMPERFI24:

    If what were on those tapes were harmless why were they destroyed before ANYONE had a chance to look at them?

    I believe there was more to this story that what was let out. I believe this not only because of the destruction of the tapes, but because of the harshness of the penalties.

    The Pats were doing something that none of us really know. This “something” could most likely be just enough to win 3 Super Bowls by a total of 9 points.

  86. rodgersrules says: Oct 11, 2011 1:14 PM

    haha, all the desperate Pats fans hanging onto whatever straw they can grasp

  87. wtf__seriously says: Oct 11, 2011 1:15 PM

    Looks like WalMart had a sale on tin foil this past week, huh?? Anyone who missed out in the greater Boston area can message richm225.
    He’s got a garage full of it.

    At least we now have an explanation for the Jets incredible 2-3 start this season, right??

  88. kellyb9 says: Oct 11, 2011 1:23 PM

    “marinephinfan says:
    Oct 11, 2011 1:12 PM
    @SEMPERFI24:

    The Pats were doing something that none of us really know. This “something” could most likely be just enough to win 3 Super Bowls by a total of 9 points.”
    9 Points? Could it be tape of the Pats practicing kicking?

  89. patriotinvasion says: Oct 11, 2011 1:25 PM

    For everyone that talks about Goodell destroying tapes…what are you talking about???? He showed the whole world like 8 different tapes of cameras showing the scoreboard, defensive signals IN PLAIN VIEW to everyone in the stadium, and cheerleaders.

    So the guy had another stack of tapes of the same exact thing. What else are you looking for? Again, a geek with a camera taping an opposing sideline which does everything it’s doing in front of 70,000 people in the stadium doesn’t make 53 men win 3 Super Bowl titles. You guys are bitter for a decade of getting your dreams crushed…get over it.

  90. wtf__seriously says: Oct 11, 2011 1:26 PM

    Did you all read the 2011 rules for allowing videotaping from the sidelines? My son’s best friend of 20+ years works for an NFL team as a videographer. He gets to wear a lime green vest when he stands on the sidelines on game day, too. We have all been laughing over this whole thing since it started. PFT definitely leads the pack in conspiracy theory posts, though.

    As for needing more tinfoil, If you can’t reach richm, try joesixpack. His basement apparently is stockpiled, as well.

  91. Andre's Johnson says: Oct 11, 2011 1:30 PM

    Oh boy. This really going to get embarrassing for the Jets when the NFL gets ahold of the tape and discovers that the footage is actually 45 minutes of Tom Brady’s feet.

  92. brwmstr says: Oct 11, 2011 1:36 PM

    some how this will all get turned around and BB and Pats will get fined

  93. kate773 says: Oct 11, 2011 1:36 PM

    marinephinfan says:
    Oct 11, 2011 1:12 PM
    @SEMPERFI24:

    If what were on those tapes were harmless why were they destroyed before ANYONE had a chance to look at them?

    I believe there was more to this story that what was let out. I believe this not only because of the destruction of the tapes, but because of the harshness of the penalties.

    The Pats were doing something that none of us really know. This “something” could most likely be just enough to win 3 Super Bowls by a total of 9 points.
    ______________________________

    Are you a conspiracy nut? Because you sound like one.

    Here’s your logic:

    1) The Pats were punished for taping
    2) The tapes were destroyed (nevermind that that tapes WALSH had were shown to the world)
    3) Therefore, the Pats were doing something MORE than what they were punished for, and that’s the reason they won 3 SB’s by 9 points.

    Do you not see that’s a logic fallacy? You’re drawing that conclusion based on nothing but your own hatred of the team. It makes you feel better to think they cheated their way to those SB’s, because it justifies your hatred. I get that. Doesn’t make you right, though.

  94. sundayisthebestday says: Oct 11, 2011 1:38 PM

    It’s funny that all the Pats fan are still butthurt that their team got caught cheating.

  95. brwmstr says: Oct 11, 2011 1:41 PM

    If this cameraman works for Jets TV then why does his field pass say “STAFF” and not “MEDIA”??

  96. chrisnbeckett says: Oct 11, 2011 1:53 PM

    sundayisthebestday Us pats fans are not butthurt its actually a relief to see that other team never to mentioned is doing the same thing they went and tatteled on the pats for HAHA

  97. patriotinvasion says: Oct 11, 2011 1:57 PM

    Rex Ryacheat and his filthy cheating ways. First TripGate…then SpyGate 2.0. The Jets are filthy dirty CHEATERS!!!!

    Fun stooping to your IQ levels….

  98. caseyanthonymunoz says: Oct 11, 2011 2:00 PM

    The Jets taping signals? Now we know why Mark Sanchez is putting up those huge numbers.

  99. steviethewiz says: Oct 11, 2011 2:08 PM

    @SEMPERFI24

    I said only team fined and docked a draft pick but apparently you are to STOOOOOPID to read – nice try however now go back to school and learn how to read Nancy.

  100. wikidpissah says: Oct 11, 2011 2:09 PM

    marinephinfan says:

    Jeez…will the Pat love-fest around here ever end? How many more excuses will this writer make for the Pats and their cheating? How many years has it been since the Pats won anything? And when they were winning, what was going on? And since that “going on” was found out, how many things have they won? ;)

    ======================================

    It seems to me that the Pats have won a Division Championship more recently than the Dolphins have won their last GAME.

  101. hairpie says: Oct 11, 2011 2:16 PM

    The reason Godell destroyed the Pats tapes is b/c it incriminated other teams as well and he didnt want to open up that can of worms since he was already in waaaaayyyy over his head.

    trut

  102. ampats says: Oct 11, 2011 2:18 PM

    Does it really matter? Rex Ryan could have had the Pats playbook and would still have lost the game. If Hernandez holds onto the pass before the half, we are at 37 points.

    The bigger story jets fans is the implosion has begun. All the over the hill high priced free agents are sniping at each other and the wheeels are coming off the bus.

    Looking forward to the next episode as the jests turn after they lose on Monday Night to Miami. Its not too late for the jets to join the Suck for Luck pool as it is obvious that Sanchez is not the answer.

  103. frankrizzo51 says: Oct 11, 2011 2:27 PM

    redrew says: Oct 11, 2011 10:07 AM

    Why is the the entire Jets sideline looking to their left, but the camera man is shooting straight across the field? Belichick and the Patriots were punished for taking advantage of a gray area. Now Fat Rex is giving the middle finger to league rules. Good thing Goodell is a lifelong Jets fan

    The cameraman thought he saw something on the Grassy Knoll.

  104. bozosforall says: Oct 11, 2011 2:50 PM

    The only thing that is CERTAIN here is that New England sports fans are the biggest crybabies in the sports world. Thumbs up OR down if you agree with me.

  105. bh83 says: Oct 11, 2011 2:51 PM

    I’ve read so many Comments saying that whatever the cameras can see, the sideline players/coaches can see. The coaches and players are focused on the game and they do not have high definition, ultra magnification, recording eyes. HUGE DIFFERENCE

  106. ampats says: Oct 11, 2011 3:29 PM

    marinephinfan,

    better question is when did your team last win a game?

  107. mh28102 says: Oct 11, 2011 3:58 PM

    Wow….never seen a bigger overreaction that these comments.

  108. mh28102 says: Oct 11, 2011 4:04 PM

    Also if you wanted to cheat….you put a guy with a huge camera on the sidelines next to the coaches that get the most air time. Its genius.

  109. castleanthrax says: Oct 11, 2011 4:44 PM

    @stevethewiz:

    Semper has you called and correctly the Broncos were fined and were docked draft picks. Just not as much of a fine as the Pats…different commish altogether however as Tags never would’ve fined the Pats that much, just look at Sheriff Goodell and the amount of fines on hits in the field of play.

    I believe the Lions were docked a low round (7th rounder I believe) for tampering. How much did that happen in Tags’ era?

    Goodell was making his name when this spygate garbage came about…those of you who believe the only way the Pats won was defensive signals, fine. Believe what you want. Others believe it didn’t have the advantage that you are claiming it had…whatever. Either way those SB victories stand no matter how you slice it. Tainted, untainted…I’d rather have one or three that is perceived tainted by the likes of Joey Porter and rag tag fans than not have one at all.

  110. semperfi24 says: Oct 11, 2011 5:01 PM

    steviethewiz says:Oct 11, 2011 2:08 PM

    @SEMPERFI24

    I said only team fined and docked a draft pick but apparently you are to STOOOOOPID to read – nice try however now go back to school and learn how to read Nancy.
    _______________________
    Name calling, nice, but here you are stephaniethestooooopidfvck:

    In December 2001, the Broncos were fined $968,000 and lost a third-round pick in the 2002 draft for violations reportedly relating to $29 million in deferred payments to quarterback John Elway and running back Terrell Davis.

    There you have it, the Broncos were fined, AND lost a draft pick. Dont tell me, now you are going to come back and say that you meant a first round draft pick. Go back to your mom’s basement

  111. patsfiend says: Oct 11, 2011 6:06 PM

    LOL. This is great. Somebody get a microphone in front of Arlan Spector. He needs votes.

  112. mrconnors says: Oct 11, 2011 6:07 PM

    I also like how apparently it’s easy to win a Super Bowl these days. The Patriots were taping defensive signals, yet their offense was just tagging along for the most part during their 9 key playoff wins (other than the steroiding Panthers). Defense and special teams won them titles, nothing to do with spygate.

    They haven’t won a Super Bowl because their defense stinks. At the moment they have two players, Tom Brady and Matt Light, from all three Super Bowl victories. TWO players. None of the defensive side, which was the main reason they did win.

    By the way, what have the Dolphins won recently? Not a single game from what I can see. But the Patriots haven’t won the friggin Super Bowl without their stellar defensive players, so spygate, which didn’t even help their mediocre offense, was apparently a big deal.

  113. blackngold4877 says: Oct 11, 2011 7:01 PM

    Why is it so hard to believe that Belichick misinterpreted the taping rules when crap like this is considered perfectly legal? I was under the impression that the operations manual stated that all cameras needed to be enclosed and couldnt be used in any area accessible by the team during the game, isn’t that what the Patriots were punished for? Stealing signals isn’t illegal, and now apparently videotaping from the sidelines is legal as long as the guy taping has a green vest, so what exactly did the Patriots do wrong here? It’s amazingly hypocritical of the league to come down as hard as they did on the Pats and then allow sideline taping like this a few years later which is just opening themselves up for more incidents. Can we all just admit that espionage in the NFL is as old as the league itself and Spygate was the most overblown story in the history of the league and purely ratings driven? If it wasnt why would they even think about letting team staff film from the sidelines?

  114. CKL says: Oct 12, 2011 7:12 AM

    Trying again, wouldn’t go yesterday.

    bobbywalsh45 says: Oct 11, 2011 11:45 AM

    the reason why people would want belicheck banned is because he DID cheat, for years, and thus won many games that they would not have won otherwise.

    if you happen to disagree, dont you think it’s a bit odd that the patriots didnt even fight the league, and just kind of shut up until people stopped talking about it.

    that generally means…..GUILTY
    _____________________________________
    They violated the rules so in that sense they were guilty. But just because they didn’t whine to the press about it doesn’t mean they felt it was fair or didn’t debate it with the league. Saying that someone didn’t fight something doesn’t mean that they felt it was just. Different people handle things in different ways.

    The harshness of the punishment is the thing people are using as the REASON the Pats must have gotten some huge advantage, which is one reason people who hate them cling to what they feel was the impact of the taping location. Fact of the matter is that Goodell was an overzealous parent about this. In other words, one parent punishes a 10 minute curfew violation with locking their kid in the house for the rest of the year, and taking their tv and phone and internet access from them. Another punishes them by grounding them for a week, which fits the seriousness of breaking that rule much better.

    The problem to me is that in the Goodell era, I have seen much less understanding overall of the NFL and its history and it shows what a true non football person Goodell really is. He’s an icing person, not a cake person. It’s all about money, political correctness/PR and “looking like something is being done” with him. NOT the GAME. If it were about the GAME and its integrity (like he pontificated with cameragate) there would be no new caveat about a team being allowed to do this for their own team videos. Almost everything I hate about the Goodell era is due to the current fascination with making sure there are MORE judgment calls which by nature will lead to inconsistencies, and fewer common sense calls and making rules more black and white so there’s no debate. Either ALLOW sideline cameras or DON’T allow them…don’t allow them NOW so teams can use the footage ON THE HONOR SYSTEM. Insanity.

  115. bcgreg says: Oct 12, 2011 8:28 PM

    @ kate773

    Matt Walsh was NOT the cameraman busted in Spygate. Get your facts straight. This is the 2nd thread you’ve said the same thing. Knock it off.

  116. bcgreg says: Oct 12, 2011 8:38 PM

    @nyj69

    You can have your opinion on Belichick and the Pats, but get your facts straight. The cameraman caught in Spygate was not on the Jets sideline. He was filming the Jets sideline from the Pats sideline.

  117. bcgreg says: Oct 12, 2011 8:56 PM

    @ marinephinfan

    Jay Glazer also released a tape, which was available on the internet at the time.

  118. bcgreg says: Oct 12, 2011 8:57 PM

    @ mrconnors

    You said that only Brady and Light were still on the team from the 3 SB years. You forgot Kevin Faulk.

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