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Vick says blame should be placed on players, not Reid

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With a growing throng of Eagles fans beginning to demand that coach Andy Reid be held accountable for the performance of the so-called “Dream Team,” quarterback Mike Vick says that the blame should be placed not on the coach, but on the players.

I know it’s not Coach’s fault,” Vick said Wednesday, via CSNPhilly.com.  “It’s not Coach’s fault.  Coach can’t go out and hold onto the ball.  Coach can’t throw the ball down the field.  Can’t go out there and do it, he can only give us what we need.  The recipe for victory and that’s what we need.”

But, Mike, the problem is that, since Week One, “Coach” hasn’t given you the recipe for victory.  And the ingredients in that stew for success include ensuring that the players on the field know how to hold the ball and do all the other things necessary to cook the meal.

“It’s the little things that’s killing us in games,” Vick said.  “And I know the game of football, and I’ve been around the game a long time, and I know the intricacies and the ins and outs, and it’s not Coach.  Bottom line.  So put the heat on the players.  Put it on us.  Don’t put it on him.”

It’s easy for Vick to say that, since there’s no way he’s getting fired.  (Yet.)

Even though it’s the players who play, it’s for the coaches to prepare them to play — and for the front office to pick players who will be able to play.  In the Eagles’ case, Reid ultimately wears both hats, making him completely responsible for the product on the field.  Either he should be getting the guys on the team to do a better job, or he should have gotten better players.

So while Reid isn’t playing the game, it’s on Reid to get his players to do what they’re supposed to do.  If they can’t, then he should have gotten other players.

The Eagles have gone “all in” this year, but neither Reid nor the players can claim that the coaching staff is merely playing the hand they’ve been dealt.  By signing Nnamdi Asomugha and Vince Young and Ronnie Brown and Steve Smith and other recognizable names, and by moving a 13-year offensive line coach to defensive coordinator, Reid tried to stack the deck in his favor.  If what he thought would be a full house ends up being queen-high, it’s on no one but him.

But I’m sure Reid appreciates that the recipient of that $100 million contract is expressing his gratitude by trying to take the heat off the man who gave it to him.

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51 Responses to “Vick says blame should be placed on players, not Reid”
  1. batterychucker25 says: Oct 12, 2011 5:03 PM

    There is PLENTY of blame to spread around.

  2. colonelcamp says: Oct 12, 2011 5:03 PM

    Suck for Luck?

  3. freedomispopular says: Oct 12, 2011 5:03 PM

    You also have to take into consideration that Vick would be nothing without Reid’s coaching.

  4. snowpea84 says: Oct 12, 2011 5:04 PM

    What? Coach picked these players. The players are the problem, not the gameplan. That I agree with. But Reid picked this team. He made these choices. He put out an inferior roster.

  5. gobills716 says: Oct 12, 2011 5:05 PM

    Amazing, during the summer I thought Philly had a legit shot at 3 Championships this year…looks like it all boils down to the Flyers.

  6. humboldt420 says: Oct 12, 2011 5:05 PM

    I was originally inclined to agree with Vick. Andy Reid had a major hand in assembling this roster and the players are on the field….

    However….

    The coach and his staff are responsible for teaching and installing plays to ensure players succeed.

    And moving a coach who has a background heavily tilted toward the offensive side of the ball to defense didn’t help matters.

  7. kazkal says: Oct 12, 2011 5:06 PM

    You think the Eagles would have learned spending big in Free Agency doesn’t equal Success from the Redskins…

  8. broncobillie says: Oct 12, 2011 5:07 PM

    Nice of Vick to say, but he doesn’t play linebacker. And he doesn’t decide how to use 3 prime cornerbacks. And he doesn’t jump offsides on an obvious 4th and 1.

    He can help a little by sliding now and then to say healthy, taking sacks instead of trying to force a ball in where it can’t go. But there’s more that ails the green birds than the quarterback…

  9. derekjetersmansion says: Oct 12, 2011 5:08 PM

    What has gone unmentioned is that they HAVE had a chance to win every game.

    They aren’t playing like the Rams, for goodness sake.

  10. 2sausage11 says: Oct 12, 2011 5:15 PM

    What has gone unmentioned is that they HAVE had a chance to win every game.

    ————————————————-
    So did every other team in the NFL then they had the opening KICKOFF

  11. hoobsher says: Oct 12, 2011 5:15 PM

    yeah, partially…

    but reid made the biggest mistake of all, and there’s no denying or avoiding it. the players are playing like garbage because their scheme sucks.

  12. vallz5 says: Oct 12, 2011 5:16 PM

    Just another team that serves as a perfect example that “you can NOT buy championships.”

  13. philahitman says: Oct 12, 2011 5:27 PM

    The players did go out and sign one the best man to man CBs in the enitre NFL and make him play zone every game despite the fact he sucks at it and its a waste of a safety that could be helping our lousy LBs… oh, wait. nvmnd.

    But the players did sign undersized offensive lineman and wonder why they cant get 1 yard when they need it… oh, wait. nvmnd.

    The players do call a run pass ratio so out of whack it makes the offense predictable and allows players to pass rush all out every play without fear of stopping the run despite Shady McCoys terrific yards per carry average… oh, wait. nvmnd.

    The players did go into the season with lousy safeties and LBs… oh, wait. nvmnd.

  14. scudbot says: Oct 12, 2011 5:30 PM

    I’ve heard more than enough from Michael Vick.

    He is what he is – a great but somewhat small athlete who’s playing the wrong position.

    Nevertheless Reid put him at QB but didn’t take what Vick can and can’t do into account. Even after that became apparent at the end of the 2010 season, they signed Vick to a long term huge QB contract. Reid’s answer to Vick getting hurt a lot fumbling and throwing INTs when he’s mobile is to make him stand in the pocket. But Reid never thought about providing him enough protection to do that. But then that’s who Reid is – a coach who doesn’t think things through. That’s why he sucks as a time manager.

  15. firethewalrus says: Oct 12, 2011 5:31 PM

    Apparently Michael didn’t follow the Eagles while he was in Leavenworth.

    The fans, for the most part, know what Vick couldn’t possibly know. It’s not so much the play on the field, per se, but the fact that there is little difference between the play on the field this season from any other year in the Reid-led Eagles. At least since 2004. While Vick was serving his time in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary, the Eagles couldn’t tackle, couldn’t stop the run, couldn’t stop Tight Ends, couldn’t run in short yardage situations, couldn’t understand clock management, etc.

    Clearly, they don’t get Eagles games in Leavenworth, Kansas.

    Fire The Walrus

  16. billsfan1 says: Oct 12, 2011 5:32 PM

    Didn’t Reid prepare them by saying don’t jump off sides? The offensive mind that he is, are u telling me that he didnt say to vick at the end of the half, 3 steps and the ball is out don’t waste time? I find that hard to believe….
    Should he get some blame? Clearly but vick is right…

  17. greymares says: Oct 12, 2011 5:33 PM

    if this team goes 1-15 andy reid will still be back as the coach, unless HE doesn’t want to be. the owner loves this man, and unless you know of a hot shot assistant or a great college candidate who would replace him? the re-treads Gruden,Cowher, Fisher, are either not capable or in some cases already QUIT when the going got tough.

  18. colombian9kid says: Oct 12, 2011 5:34 PM

    I think vick is 100 percent right. The games we’ve lost have all been close. If you go back to the atlanta game, mike kafka was taking this team down the field and were inside the 30 yard line.
    Jeremy maclin dropped a 4th down pass that would have gotten us the first down and who knows what else. You can’t tell me that is on reid. Maclin is a real good wr.
    in the giants game on the eagles first drive, the eagles were moving the ball and got in the red zone until a pads thrown to steve smith was tipped by steve right into the hands of a giant db. Totally changed the momentum. Not on andy.
    San Fran? Again jeremy maclin fumbled the ball on the last eagle play when we were down by one, jeremy was inside the 30 yard line. Not on andy. Can’t say he doesn’t tel ball capers to protect the ball. Thats on maclin again.
    And in the bills game, two tipped balls that got intercepted and another picked off cleanly by barnett and taken in for a score.also a fumble by avant, who is usually a sure handed wr. Cant win with 5 turnovers. Defense have up 24 points to a bills team that was averaging around 37 points a game. Thats pretty good considering the offense handed the ball over 4 times.

    Lets go birds!

  19. jakek2 says: Oct 12, 2011 5:36 PM

    Why is Reid taking heat? Its October. Didn’t the Dream Team already win the SB this year?

  20. prior0knowledge says: Oct 12, 2011 5:40 PM

    How is it the players’ fault when the team acquires a shut-down corner, but lines him up as a safety?

  21. jagerbmb says: Oct 12, 2011 5:41 PM

    Last year Vick had zero pressure and looked good at times. This year the weight of the world (and Andy) on his shoulders. Sure Vick puts up gaudy individual numbers, but he is a coach killer.

    And Andy Reid deserves a huge slice of the blame. He hired a DL coach before a DC. He settled for Juan Castillo when all others said no way. He is still terrible at clock mangement and calling the plays.

    Eagles fans are flabbergasted.

  22. suckitphilly says: Oct 12, 2011 5:48 PM

    ahh, it gets better every week. i can’t wait to hear from reid and vick when the cowboys smack them down.

  23. bossplayer213 says: Oct 12, 2011 5:52 PM

    Vick is just sticking up for the man that gave him a chance to play football again. Was it really necessary to break down all his quotes?

  24. jagerbmb says: Oct 12, 2011 5:53 PM

    Jason Avant calls a players only meeting. Wow.

    Can anyone tell me why the #3 WR is the one calling the meeting and trying to take charge?

  25. drbob117 says: Oct 12, 2011 5:58 PM

    The media thinks this is some sort of referendum.Lurie and Banner have no reason to fire him, the place is sold out, there’s a waiting list of 50,000 for season tix, we buy up every piece of merchandise they sell, we attend all the charity functions, and THEY like Andy Reid. They do a good job of lip service with ‘gold standard’, ‘aim to win multiple championships’, “all in’ and other nonsense, but go by what they DO. What they’ve done is let Reid make all the important calls for 13 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if they extend him past 2013 in the next year or so.

  26. EJ says: Oct 12, 2011 6:04 PM

    What would happen if the Eagles did end up losing out the rest of the season and ended up with the first pick in the draft? Would they select Luck? Would they use that pick to gain an unbelievable amount of draft picks from the most needy team? They must value Vick because $100 million is no chump change…

    Or did they jump the gun on him?

  27. theblondbomber says: Oct 12, 2011 6:04 PM

    So what Mike, do you and the rest of the players force Andy Reid to make terrible challenges, and manage the clock poorly?

  28. doe22us says: Oct 12, 2011 6:19 PM

    The irony of it all is that the person that coined the dream team reference will have no part when the Eagles try to turn this ship around. However, they should throttle the Skins on Sunday no question.

  29. 2sausage11 says: Oct 12, 2011 6:20 PM

    drbob117 says:
    Oct 12, 2011 5:58 PM
    The media thinks this is some sort of referendum.Lurie and Banner have no reason to fire him, the place is sold out, there’s a waiting list of 50,000 for season tix, we buy up every piece of merchandise they sell, we attend all the charity functions, and THEY like Andy Reid. They do a good job of lip service with ‘gold standard’, ‘aim to win multiple championships’, “all in’ and other nonsense, but go by what they DO. What they’ve done is let Reid make all the important calls for 13 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if they extend him past 2013 in the next year or so.

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    So what your saying if they fire Andy you won’t go to the games or buy merchandise

  30. laeaglefan says: Oct 12, 2011 6:32 PM

    As bad as the Eagles have been and continue to be, there’s no way that they’ll lose out the rest of the way (therefore securing the top draft pick). They’ve been competitive in every game and had a chance to win all of them as late as the 4th quarter. One of these days (hopefully soon) they’ll manage to secure a win. At this stage of the game, I think an 8-8 record would at least salvage some kind of dignity for the team. I don’t think that’s out of the question.

  31. december77 says: Oct 12, 2011 6:43 PM

    “But, Mike, the problem is that, since Week One, “Coach” hasn’t given you the recipe for victory. And the ingredients in that stew for success include ensuring that the players on the field know how to hold the ball and do all the other things necessary to cook the meal.”

    Wrong. At the professional level, do you really need to be coached on hanging on to the football? Really? Is that not taught in high school? You’re paid millions of dollars to hold on to a ball. You want to hold a special practice session on how to hold on to a mfing football? Would you also like to dedicate a whole day towards not jumping offsides when the whole world knows they’re trying to draw you off? Really? You want Reid to walk on the field with them and hold their hands?

  32. bordner says: Oct 12, 2011 7:09 PM

    gobills716 says:
    Oct 12, 2011 5:05 PM

    Amazing, during the summer I thought Philly had a legit shot at 3 Championships this year…looks like it all boils down to the Flyers.
    ————————————————
    Listening to their fans a couple months ago, I thought the Eagles ALONE had a shot at 3 Championships this year.

  33. phillysuxbigd says: Oct 12, 2011 7:11 PM

    @ jagerbmb

    because according to the terrible judge of talent andy reid, jason avant is the best 3rd down receiver in the league. hahaha. and he sure showed that this past week in the bills game….not

  34. blackqbwhiterb says: Oct 12, 2011 7:21 PM

    Too much hype!! All this bad publicity for the Eagles scares this Redskins fan, I hope they’re as much a mess as all you make them out to be….but I’m not so sure….

  35. charlutes says: Oct 12, 2011 7:27 PM

    I agree with Vick. Reid isn’t out there turning the ball over. He picks and prepares the players, but nobody was calling the Eagles underskilled before the season started. No one mentions that due to the lockout Reid’s time to condition his guys was cut short. Everyone saw their problems on the front lines dating back to last season. Most of us were still picking the Eagles to take the division because of their skill at the glamorou positions. Still its an early season, and if the players don’t lose at least two games for the coaches by turning the ball over their 3-2 at least. I say the players take the blame for the rough start and the hall of fame coach gets a Mulligan, at least for now.

  36. bdawk2020 says: Oct 12, 2011 7:34 PM

    “But, Mike, the problem is that, since Week One, “Coach” hasn’t given you the recipe for victory. And the ingredients in that stew for success include ensuring that the players on the field know how to hold the ball and do all the other things necessary to cook the meal”

    Oh please, blame him for his mistake with castillo, sure, but fumbling? Interceptions? These are veterans here that are making these critical mistakes. The man has done all he can. Maybe he should call some goal line plays better and a little less trickeration but besides that he’s been solid and as good as ever. If he’s gonna get fired, then so be it. It’ll be the stupidest mistake we’ve made ever but OK. Because Andy is who he is and isn’t going to change. He has the formula for a championship, it just hasn’t happened yet. Ask Bill Cowher, sometimes it takes awhile.

  37. dd393 says: Oct 12, 2011 7:53 PM

    That’s what happens when you put together a fantasy football team, not a real football team.

  38. drbob117 says: Oct 12, 2011 8:10 PM

    @2sausage11: Nope. I’m saying that they have no reason to fire Andy that matters to them.

  39. broncobillie says: Oct 12, 2011 8:19 PM

    jagerbmb nailed it above. Maclin is calling the team meeting? Where’s the veteran leadership in the locker room?

    Oh wait, Brian Dawkins was traded away. Lack of veteran leadership falls on the boss’s shoulders.

  40. scudbot says: Oct 12, 2011 8:30 PM

    Truth is that the Eagles could still sneak into the playoffs if they get the ship righted next Sunday. NFC East isn’t exactly loaded with powerhouse teams (despite the Shannyskins record, you’ve got Beck backing up Grossman). The Giants are a mess and Dallas is schizo.

    But still. What a mess.

  41. thevet700 says: Oct 12, 2011 8:49 PM

    Sorry Mike, I know you are loyal to the man who help you back from the brink. But we have seen the fat mans show all to often. Everyone can see what the team needs but Andy knows best. So when it blows up in his face its always the same old song and dance. Who can forget the years of needing a top WR
    but we had Stinkston and Trash. They get a top wide out and they are in the Super Bowl. Years of miss clock management, predictable play calling , Skiers as Punt/Kick returners. Throwing the ball on every down. The fat man has been here 13 years and in that time two of the worst franchises in NFL history have won the super bowl. Big deal he makes the playoffs every year but no ring to show for it. Its time to go!! Oh and offensives line couches as Defense coordinators.

  42. howley1 says: Oct 12, 2011 9:01 PM

    He has the formula for a championship, it just hasn’t happened yet.

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    LOLWUT

    I don’t think the formula includes a crappy OL, a QB that can’t read blitzes but calls the OL protections and small, slow LB’s.

  43. howley1 says: Oct 12, 2011 9:12 PM

    I say the players take the blame for the rough start and the hall of fame coach gets a Mulligan, at least for now.

    —————————————-

    Jimmy Johnson’s not in the Hall of Fame and he’s got two Super Bowl wins under his belt. George Seifert won two and isn’t in. What in the world makes you think that Andy Reid deserves to be enshrined?

  44. tigrrrr says: Oct 12, 2011 9:19 PM

    Scudbot…. Wake up! Your dream teaming again!

  45. howley1 says: Oct 12, 2011 9:19 PM

    You also have to take into consideration that Vick would be nothing without Reid’s coaching.

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    What makes you think he’s all that in the first place? For all the crap Romo takes he’s won a playoff game more recently than any other NFCE QB has, including Michael Vick (who won his last playoff game after the 2004 season).

  46. flair1239 says: Oct 12, 2011 10:35 PM

    I disagree completely.

    When a team is committing fundamental errors… that is not the coaching staff’s fault. That does go back to the players not maintaining the level of focus that the profession requires.

    I would agree that if the pattern continues and the staff does not address the issue, then it is their fault. But you cannot lay short term lack of focus on the coaching staff.

  47. md23rewlz says: Oct 12, 2011 10:41 PM

    You can put the blame on Reid up to a point, but if it was as simple as merely coming up with a great gameplan and implementing it, then a lot of teams would be great. It’s still a human game. Reid can drill fundamentals into his players until he’s blue in the face, but on the field that only takes you so far. Ronnie Brown lateraling the ball at the goal line isn’t Andy Reid’s fault. It’s simply a weird brain cramp on Brown’s. And Vick throwing four INTs isn’t Reid’s fault either–it’s Vick being Vick. You can coach him up all you want, but he’s always going to be a little wild. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. That the whole thing has gone horribly awry is based on a combination of factors, only some of which are under Reid’s control. In the end, it IS a player’s game, and all you can do is put them in the best possible position to succeed. Reid might have screwed up at times this season, but he really can’t throw the ball for Vick or tackle for the defense or any of that. Beyond all that, to say GM Reid screwed up is just weird to me. Nobody was saying that during the offseason when he signed those guys. Nobody was saying the Eagles would get off to a 1-4 start. The team had flaws coming in, but let’s not kid ourselves: It’s still a good team, just one that has made far too many mistakes on the field. #logicoverandout

  48. jbraxton3rd says: Oct 12, 2011 10:53 PM

    Sorry Vick, but as bad as the Eagles are playing, the coaching can’t get any worse. There’s enough blame to go around between players and coaches.

  49. richm2256 says: Oct 12, 2011 11:11 PM

    “The recipe for victory and that’s what we need.”

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    Ummmmm …… wasn’t that “recipe” supposed to be YOU, Mike “100 mil, lights out” Vick ?????

  50. richm2256 says: Oct 12, 2011 11:17 PM

    jakek2 says:
    Oct 12, 2011 5:36 PM
    Why is Reid taking heat? Its October. Didn’t the Dream Team already win the SB this year?

    No, they lost in a squeaker to the Jets

  51. db3300 says: Oct 13, 2011 1:51 PM

    The team’s main problem is apparently Mike’s verbal communication. Maybe the answer is to just replace Andy Reid with Chevy Chase.

    “I’ve been around the game a long time, and I know the intricacies and the ins and outs, and it’s not Coach.”

    “Me winning isn’t. You do.”

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