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Andy Dalton challenging Cam Newton for rookie QB supremacy

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Cam Newton has been a great story this season, a first overall pick performing even better than expected and putting up huge numbers for the Panthers. But don’t be too quick to coronate Newton as this year’s best rookie quarterback.

Andy Dalton of the Bengals has, like Newton, started every game this season. But unlike Newton, Dalton is putting up good numbers while his team is winning games.

On Sunday against the Colts, Dalton completed 25 of 32 passes for 264 yards, with a touchdown and no interceptions, for a passer rating of 111.5 on the day. It was the third time in six starts that Dalton has had a passer rating above 100, and his passer rating on the season is a solid 84.3. Newton’s passer rating is 78.3.

In terms of fantasy football numbers, Dalton can’t compare to Newton: Newton has 500 more passing yards than Dalton, and Newton also has six rushing touchdowns to Dalton’s one. But Dalton and Newton have the same number of passing touchdowns (seven apiece), and Newton has thrown nine interceptions to Dalton’s five. Dalton’s completion percentage is better than Newton’s as well.

And, of course, there’s the little matter of Dalton leading his team to a 4-2 record, making the Bengals one of the pleasant surprises of the season. Newton has racked up a lot of his big numbers while trying unsuccessfully to bring the 1-5 Panthers back while they were trailing in the second half.

Dalton has only had one really bad game, his two-interception effort in a loss to the 49ers. But aside from the fourth quarter and overtime against Tony Romo, the 49ers’ defense has made every quarterback look bad this season. There’s no shame in struggling against San Francisco.

Dalton’s stats also compare favorably to the stats Sam Bradford put up last season while winning the offensive rookie of the year award in St. Louis. And Dalton’s stats compare favorably to the 2010 numbers of Benglas quarterback Carson Palmer, too.

Obviously, Dalton isn’t doing it all himself. The Bengals’ 1-2 punch at wide receiver this year, A.J. Green and Jerome Simpson, has been an improvement over last year’s combination of Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco. And offensive tackles Andrew Whitworth and Andre Smith are playing very well — they shut down the Colts’ pass-rush combination of Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis.

But Whitworth pointed to Dalton after the game when asked what the difference is for this year’s Bengals.

“And this guy right here made the plays,” Whitworth said. “Dalton had a heck of a day. It’s all on him. It’s Andre and I’s job to keep people off him. He executed and he did what he had to do and that’s what he continues to. He comes in with a game plan and if things don’t go exactly right he stays with the game plan.”

Dalton has been following the game plan all year. And his production has been even better than the Bengals could have planned.

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  1. waxthat says: Oct 17, 2011 12:31 PM

    “There’s no shame in struggling against San Francisco.”

    I thought I’d never hear this again..feels good to be a Niners fan

  2. realitypolice says: Oct 17, 2011 12:32 PM

    Dalton is clearly having the superior season. He’s better where it counts- taking care of the football, completion percentage and putting games in the win column.

  3. sdchargers25 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:33 PM

    The Bengals also have a solid defense which is another reason why they are winning games

    Carolinas Defense is TERRIBLE. Giving up 25+ points every week isnt gonna help win too many games.

    Give Cam the Bengals Defense and hes NOT gonna be 1-5….

  4. wawa33 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:34 PM

    Richie Cunnigham should be MVP, not Cam “Fonzie” Newton.

  5. kwgator says: Oct 17, 2011 12:35 PM

    DALTON ….. ROADHOUSE

  6. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 17, 2011 12:36 PM

    More reason for the Vikings to start Ponder. Most people had Ponder and Dalton ranked about the same in the draft. I wish the Vikings would have copied the Bengals’ blueprint for success this year. Did I just say that?

  7. djteknision1200 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:36 PM

    Dalton is winning…Check the Bengals record.

  8. mooremusicllc says: Oct 17, 2011 12:36 PM

    Dalton doesnt have the hardest schedule in the NFL either…like cam does

  9. ineptguy8 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:37 PM

    I am not a fan of either of them. I especially think that Newton is wildly overrated, but I think the real difference has been the quality of the competition these 2 have faced. The Bengals faced the Browns, Jags, Colts, 49ers, Bills and Broncos. Also the Bills played terribly in that game. While Newton has had to deal with the Cardinals, Packers, Bears, Jaguars, Saints and Falcons. Maybe after the Bengals play a few games against the Steelers and Ravens we will have a better idea, but until then it is hard to judge Dalton.

  10. 1buckeye76 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:37 PM

    4-2 vs. 1-5. No contest, I’ll take the guy who wins.

  11. Kaz says: Oct 17, 2011 12:38 PM

    I agree, Dalton is having the better year by far. His leadership and poise while lacking the Entertainment or Icon play is what you need in a QB. Newton has exceeded expectations but you have to give it to the 2nd round pick of a team destined to go 0-16 (by the pundits)…

  12. catman72 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:40 PM

    Dalton is playing well no doubt, but he’s also playing on a more talented team team right now against inferior competition.

    I want to see how Dalton does against the Packers, Bears, Saints and Falcons before I make a decision.

  13. humbleminded85 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:46 PM

    If Mike Brown doesn’t trade Palmer and get something in return then he really is the worst owner in all of sports. Is he really hard headed enough to the point the he would hurt his own team by letting his ego control this situation, and thus not getting at least a 3rd, 4th, or maybe a 5th round pick? Everyone knows Palmer is gone, so as of right this second thier options are either (1)let Palmer go (2) trade Palmer for a mid to high draft pick and yet somehow Brown will go with option 1 because of well…his ego.

  14. citizenstrange says: Oct 17, 2011 12:47 PM

    He is also challenging Roethlisberger for AFC North QB supremacy.

    ESPN Passer Rating Leaders – Qualified

    Roethlisberger – #12 – 90.0

    Dalton – #17 – 84.3

    Mark Sanchez (just for fun) – #22 – 80.4

    Flacco – #23 – 79.6

    McCoy – #27 – 78.1

  15. Kaz says: Oct 17, 2011 12:48 PM

    catman72 says:
    Oct 17, 2011 12:40 PM
    Dalton is playing well no doubt, but he’s also playing on a more talented team team right now against inferior competition.

    I want to see how Dalton does against the Packers, Bears, Saints and Falcons before I make a decision.
    ____

    How about the Steelers and Ravens twice… That should settle it.

  16. humb0lt says: Oct 17, 2011 12:50 PM

    It’s a good thing when the 35th pick of the draft equals or exceeds the performance of the 1st pick of the draft.

  17. reddskeletor says: Oct 17, 2011 12:51 PM

    Now, if only the Bengals could find a way to dump Mike Brown.

  18. sundog05 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:51 PM

    Remember Dalton has to face the Ravens X 2 and the Steelers X 2. That’s 4 guaranteed losses. Let’s see how does against those defences before we crown him the Messiah.

  19. mbanks05 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:51 PM

    The Bengals haven’t played ANYBODY. The Panthers have played and hung in the game with the Packers, Saints, Bears and Atlanta. Noway Dalton is 4-2 against with the Panthers schedule. No way Dalton throws for as many yards against these teams.

  20. mannyicey says: Oct 17, 2011 12:51 PM

    I’ve watched them both. This isn’t even close. Cam Newton is the far more superior quarterback than Andy Dalton.

    Cam is the Carolina offense. He’s scary good. Andy Dalton looks like a good quarterback, but nowhere near Cam. If they switched teams, Cam would probably be undefeated.

  21. mikric1977 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:53 PM

    Bengals 2nd in total defense.
    Panthers 16th.

    Bengals 3rd in passing defense.
    Panthers 11th.

    Bengals 6th in rushing defense.
    Panthers 31st.

    Here is the reality. No one cares about QB ratings.

    Cam has the same number of passing touchdowns as Dalton and he also has 6 rushing touchdowns. The point is if you give Cam the Bengals D and I bet we are looking at a 4-2 or better Panthers team.

  22. ampatsisahypocrite says: Oct 17, 2011 12:55 PM

    Carson WHO? Like I said the Bengals would be better off with this rookie than with the Souther Cal Choker, Carson Palmer.

  23. peopletrains says: Oct 17, 2011 12:56 PM

    I was perplexed why some teams were enamored with Dalton leading up to the draft. I’m eating my words now. He’s solid.

  24. nineroutsider says: Oct 17, 2011 12:56 PM

    I was hoping the Niners would take Dalton, the guy knows how to win!

  25. romosexualtendencies69 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:57 PM

    But he plays for the Bungles.

    We all know this isn’t going to end well

  26. svcfilmguy says: Oct 17, 2011 12:57 PM

    I’m not ready to make a judgment yet, because…you know, we’re less than halfway through the season. However, *at this time*, Dalton is the better passer of the two. You can’t put the 1-5 record on Cam, as he’s done reasonably well with the talent around him. It’s certainly not his fault that the Bengals have a more talented team. But, right now, I have to give the nod to Dalton. A very pleasant surprise. Palmer, who had little leverage against Brown to begin with, officially has none.

  27. 303bengalguy says: Oct 17, 2011 1:00 PM

    The counter-points here are vaild. Cam is playing much stiffer competition and Dalton has a much better D keeping him in close games.

    But… give Dalton credit, he’s already got a couple 4th quarter comeback drives, and has ‘played within himself’ as the experts say (what I’d call the Trent Dilfer circa 2001 ‘game manager’ profile of a quarterback) for the most part.

    Also, on top of the fact that Newton has been racking up yards in come-from-behind mode, a LOT of his yards seem attributable to the YAC stat too. I’ve seen at least 3 huge Steve Smith TD’s that were the result of Smith racking up the YAC, not necessarily Cam throwing the ball deep. Whereas, I’ve seen Dalton throw some pretty nice 40′yd TD’s without a whole lot of YAC… for what it’s worth. And I still think Cammie Newts has been pretty damn good!

  28. youboettcha says: Oct 17, 2011 1:02 PM

    I have to ask half-jokingly (and I ask half-jokingly because people seem to hate it, even though I like it):

    Yeah, but what are their Total QBRs?

  29. glac1 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:04 PM

    The media, in their efforts to “anoint” Cam has completely forgotten about Andy…………

  30. catman72 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:10 PM

    If you are evaluating QB’s based on wins/losses then I’d guess you have to say Dalton projects to be better than Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning as well.

  31. contraryguy says: Oct 17, 2011 1:15 PM

    it’s been, how to put it, unexpectedly fun to watch my Bengals this year (no blackouts in Columbus!) But the AFC North is the toughest defensive division in the NFL right now, and the tough games are still ahead. Here’s hoping the new kid can carve out at least an 8-8 season, that’s probably a fair target to set for Dalton’s first year.

  32. boswivel says: Oct 17, 2011 1:17 PM

    This is a guy you want to block for. Romo, Vick, not so much. Good luck Andy Dalton.

  33. Robert says: Oct 17, 2011 1:18 PM

    Go Dalton! Go Bengals!

  34. theytukrjobs says: Oct 17, 2011 1:21 PM

    Newton has put up about the same passer rating while also doing a ton with his legs. But Dalton is better because his team’s record is better?

    Um, you sure that isn’t just due to the defense, which QB’s don’t control?

  35. mvpanthersfan11 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:22 PM

    Yea and there’s also no shame in struggling against the Packers, Saints, and Falcons. In case you people forgot the Panthers have to toughest schedule in the NFL. Also if you give Cam the Bengals D he’d probably be undefeated! Get real this article is a joke

  36. ncsteve83 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:24 PM

    All things considered, if there was a draft TODAY, and you are drafting your QB of the future….

    Thumbs Up: if you take Cam Newton
    Thumbs Down: if you take Andy Dalton

  37. oriolesvsravens says: Oct 17, 2011 1:24 PM

    It also helps Dalton when he has a capable defense to keep him in close games and help sustain leads where he does not have the pressure of doing it all on his end. Newton still has a way to go and his learning curve would be knowing when to gamble and knowing when to take a sack or throw the ball away.

    Dalton may have that over Newton early but they’re both good young QBs.

  38. ppdoc13 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:24 PM

    I must admit to being surprised at both newton and daltons success. However, without belittling what dalton has done, their wins have been over horrible teams. I am the first to say that you have no control over the schedule, but I will reserve judgement on Dalton until he has to face the best d in the NFL in the ravens and a very good albeit aging d in the steelers. What he has going for him is his defense which flys under the radar but is in the top five in the NFL.

    If it wasn’t for the bengals sucking for so long you’d have figured someone would have made Zimmer a HC by now. Everywhere he goes the d gets a hellofalot better.

  39. ticalcaldwell says: Oct 17, 2011 1:26 PM

    You guys forget, Dalton played against Cam in the preseason,,,,check those stats too…Dalton dominated…..jus sayin…I know it wil take you guys a few more games to get it…………….

  40. mvpanthersfan11 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:29 PM

    Oh and the Bears!

  41. partiotictiger says: Oct 17, 2011 1:30 PM

    Dalton has never played to pad his stats. He has always played to win. Fantasy Football is just that, Fantasy. He is playing in the real NFL with a real desire to be a winner.

  42. stockdogdca says: Oct 17, 2011 1:41 PM

    Not going to happen. If we were discussing two rookie runningbacks and one ran for 1500 yards and the second for 1000 yards regardless of style points or yards produced after first contact the runningback with 1500 yards would still be the Rookie MVP. How Cam has thrown for 500 yards more than Andy is so conveniently glossed over. Hell, it’s amazing that Cam is launching so many scud missiles with only “one” receiver unlike Andy who has “two” receivers and a great tight end ! I repeat, 500 more yards than Andy with 1/3 the offensive weapons !!!!!!!!!!!

  43. ivanofftheterrible says: Oct 17, 2011 1:41 PM

    Dalton is good, but he is no Cam Newton. Cincy has beaten Cleveland, Buffalo, Jacksonville and Indianapolis. Only one out of the four has a winning record.

    Carolina has lost to Arizona (first game fluke), Green Bay (sb champs), Chicago (2010 playoff team), New Orleans (2010 playoff team), and Atlanta (2010 nfc #1 playoff seed). Only Atlanta beat Carolina by more than a touchdown.

    Let’s talk after Dalton plays the Steelers and the Ravens.

  44. panthers34 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:42 PM

    I’m a Panthers fan who would have no problem with Dalton winning OROY. However, thanks to the Panthers D, Newton will have to put up thirty points a game to win. The defense is horrific against the run and doesnt force turnovers.

  45. CKL says: Oct 17, 2011 1:49 PM

    Newton is a gunslinger type with tons of natural ability, Dalton is a careful type who doesn’t get rattled easily who won’t usually be a reason your team loses. Both look quite able to be successful QBs for years as long as they keep developing and they have both already shown the ability to rally their teams from behind and both seem to fit their teams well.

  46. bengals3285 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:50 PM

    Im tired of seeing “If Newton had the bengals team he would have the same success.” The question is, who is playing better in their rookie year. It is clearly Dalton. His stats are beyond impressive. Cam Newton is on his way to a 30 int season. Are all those interceptions the panthers defenses fault too? If you ask me, newton looks more like a Mark Sanchez while Dalton looks more like a mathew stafford. And let’s not forget, the bengals have played the bills and won, and should have beaten the niners as well. Those two teams have superior defenses.

  47. granadafan says: Oct 17, 2011 1:51 PM

    Gotta admit that both QBs have surprised a lot of people, perhaps even making Tiki flabbergasted. Props to both young QBs.

  48. riderspantherssk says: Oct 17, 2011 1:52 PM

    The Panthers’ run D is horrible, the pass D is worse off now with both safeties out, but as long as Newton has to play like it’s a shootout and Dalton can manage the game for his D, Dalton will have better numbers (as he is also a good QB)

  49. skins23 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:53 PM

    Ponder will get there if he plays. He looked good last night.

  50. patbocam says: Oct 17, 2011 1:54 PM

    If I’m building a team I still take newton all day every day over dalton. It’s not a knock against Dalton as much as it is a declaration of newtons greatness.

  51. riderspantherssk says: Oct 17, 2011 1:54 PM

    Newton’s sched was also the hardest in the NFL when Wash and Tenn looked like easy wins, now it’s even tougher.

  52. panthers34 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:03 PM

    I think its funny how quickly the conversation went from “Newton can not play in the NFL” to “Newton is only about fantasy stats and not winning”. Not hating, just makes me chuckle.

  53. rugdog100 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:07 PM

    Ponder will leave all the rookie QBs in the dust now that McNabb will be on the sidelines.

  54. flapjackdaddy says: Oct 17, 2011 2:11 PM

    Um, Dalton has a defense. And teams that are special in a non-special ed. sense.

  55. blackqbwhiterb says: Oct 17, 2011 2:12 PM

    I wanted to see the Redskins draft Dalton, would have been a great TCU/Sammy Baugh/Dalton/Redskins history thing, and you could see he’s no Rex Grossman…………..Alas, what am I to do?

  56. quizguy66 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:17 PM

    I think both are destined for great careers. As a Bengals fan I have to say, though, that I got the I wanted in Dalton (there was a time ahead of the draft where it seemed possible that Newton would’ve been there at 4). They bring different skill sets. The thing that would worry me about Newton is that he’s trying to do too much himself at this point – there’s a risk-reward with that, for sure. In a perfect world he’d end up in that Elway mold (a guy who carried his teams early but didn’t win the big prize until he became more of a piece and when his legs were less a part of his arsenal). When I look at Dalton I see a guy who can run the machine – in a hopeful world that turns into a Simms or a Montana type of player.

    Both have bright futures – it comes down to how the teams are built.

    Btw, I will say to those talking about competition, Dalton has come up big in the 4th quarter a bunch of times already, even shaking off rough starts. How many rookie QBs have come from 14-down at half-time against a team like the Bills that was 3-0 heading in? Not many.

    One great thing I’ve noticed in Dalton (and Newton fans please feel free to point out if Cam is doing this too) is that he has done a great job of adjusting at the line and changing to a correct play call. That is very unusual in a rookie. Also he doesn’t have Carson Palmer syndrome whereby he must take at least 4 delay of game penalties every game – he runs things at a much crisper rate.

    Hopefully these two guys will settle the “who’s better” debate in a February game in the not-too-distant future.

    -QG

  57. quizguy66 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:19 PM

    Btw, I will say that I think Ponder will be good too as long as the Vikings give him a fair opportunity to do so. He’s the guy I would’ve wanted to Dalton was drafted before we got the chance (yes, I was shocked to see Ponder go #12).

    -QG

  58. bdert says: Oct 17, 2011 2:26 PM

    Cam Newton has 1,267 yards passing in 4 games…against teams all of whom made the 2010 playoffs…GB NO CHI ATL Dalton has 1311 for the season…i.e. 6 games against teams non of whom made the playoffs…I’d rather my rookie face the best

  59. ivanofftheterrible says: Oct 17, 2011 2:26 PM

    Ok Bengals fans, if you’re tired of seeing:

    “If Newton had the bengals team he would have the same success.”

    Then put Dalton on the Panthers, an inexperienced, injury ravaged team with the toughest schedule in the league, and I bet Dalton looks more like Jimmy Clausen than Matthew Stafford.

    Ha! Can’t believe you compared Dalton to Stafford and Cam to Sanchez. Idiot.

  60. polishkingski says: Oct 17, 2011 2:32 PM

    as a bills fan i am very happy for the bengals supporters if envious. the bengals took a chance on a supposed “iffy” q.b and it looks like the hit a homer. with that defence and the firepower dalton has at his dissposal these dudes are primed for a great future and maybe the future is now.

  61. skinzfan21 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:39 PM

    I’m happy for Dalton and the Bengals…….he’s doing exactly what a young quarterback is supposed to do when they have a great defense, manage the game! But anyone who says they’d take Dalton over Newton would be out of a job really quick! Not even close enough to argue this topic……..just be happy for the Bengals, they deserve it

  62. NoHomeTeam says: Oct 17, 2011 2:42 PM

    The Phantom Stranger says “More reason for the Vikings to start Ponder. Most people had Ponder and Dalton ranked about the same in the draft. I wish the Vikings would have copied the Bengals’ blueprint for success this year.”

    Ponder doesn’t need to “as good” as Dalton, he needs to be better. The Vikings, out of desperation and panic, reached badly by picking him at 12. It’s unfair to the kid, but his production will almost certainly be compared to the guy taken almost 1 full round later.

  63. panther17 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:04 PM

    Different offense. Different supporting cast on offense. Asked to do different things. And a huge difference on defense. Let alone a huge difference in SoS so far. No way you can compare the two.

    Panthers are one injured QB away from looking like a team that could lose to the 2010 Panthers.

    Bengals are looking at playoffs?!

    Both Newton and Dalton have been great and done what their team have asked of them beyond what is expected.

  64. pskotte says: Oct 17, 2011 3:06 PM

    Do you recall all the Bengal Bashers smugly predicting 0-16? They posted their predictions knowing exactly what the schedule was, so leave that out of the discussion once and for all.
    The critical difference in this team that explains the turnaround is Dalton, according to every public statement by his teammates. Newton has not yet turned around his team like this, so in terms of impact the edge has to go to Dalton.
    Neither QB is as good as they are going to be so let’s just sit back and enjoy watching them grow. Who cares which is better after six games?

  65. ktravp says: Oct 17, 2011 3:12 PM

    Newton reminds me a of a young Randall Cunningham. His mobility punishes defenses who over commit personnel either down the field or on the line of scrimmage. He has the ability to extend a play that looks dead. Long term, Newton will need to make quicker and better decisions with the ball while still in the pocket, otherwise he’ll suffer the same fate of other mobile quarterbacks and will become injury prone.

    Dalton’s physical abilities are certainly less than Newton’s natural prowess and throwing motion. However, Dalton excels in the department of the “intangibles” such as quick decision making and leadership on/off the field. Case in point: yesterday in the 2nd quarter, when Dalton called their defense off-sides, the penalty was called just after the ball was snapped….instead of taking a knee and settling for the automatic 1st down, he throws the ball for a good 15 yards to an unguarded Simpson and caught their entire defense asleep.

    At any rate, I’m certainly happy with Dalton as the Bengals new QB. Carson who?

  66. eezyxyz says: Oct 17, 2011 3:13 PM

    The point about the Bengals record being helped by a good D is well taken. I’ve never been a fan of simply judging QBs by win-loss record when there’s so much they don;t have control over. However, to the people downplaying Dalton’s passing numbers and talking about how he has such great receivers compared to Newton: the Bengals two starting WRs had combined for 2 NFL starts before this season started, and the Bengals lead the league in dropped passes this season. So, think about that before downplaying Dalton’s very solid passing numbers.

  67. londonfletcher says: Oct 17, 2011 3:15 PM

    I not a fan of either team, so my opinion is as follows. If I were to take my “qb of the future” it would be Dalton, simply for one reason. Cam runs. Any qb who runs like that(Vick) is GOING to get hurt(ex. the Skins pancaking Vicks ribs last year). Dalton is the safer bet. I don’t want to have an amazing qb for half the season, and a backup for the other half when Cam gets himself blown up.

  68. Kaz says: Oct 17, 2011 3:16 PM

    Lol at everyone pointing to the Bengals having a good team. In the preseason these same fans were talking about those “Bungles”. Now suddenly they have a top team, good coahes, top D etc.. What happened to those Bungles that were in so much trouble without there star players (Carson, Chad. T.O), and would go 0-16. Now you tell me you WISH you had our team? Crazy…

  69. panthers34 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:17 PM

    Newton has had a huge impact. The Panthers were UNCOMPETITIVE last year. Forced five turnovers at home against the Bears and were still blown out. They now average a full 11 more points a game.

  70. steeltown56 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:21 PM

    Mike Brown is not the worst gm in the NFL . Jerry Jones is. Andy Dalton is a good young QB. As a Steeler fan i wish Carson “Rosie” Palmer was the QB not this guy. Mike Brown did the right thing for a change by retiring Carson.

  71. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 17, 2011 3:21 PM

    NoHomeTeam says:
    Oct 17, 2011 2:42 PM
    The Phantom Stranger says “More reason for the Vikings to start Ponder. Most people had Ponder and Dalton ranked about the same in the draft. I wish the Vikings would have copied the Bengals’ blueprint for success this year.”

    Ponder doesn’t need to “as good” as Dalton, he needs to be better. The Vikings, out of desperation and panic, reached badly by picking him at 12. It’s unfair to the kid, but his production will almost certainly be compared to the guy taken almost 1 full round later.
    ___________

    I don’t think it’s reaching badly to pick the guy you want when you have the chance. If they wouldn’t have picked him, they wouldn’t have gotten either quarterback. Then where are they?

  72. woodsa22 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:29 PM

    Im neutral. Im impressed by both QB’s. However, a lot of QB’s in this league would love to have this kind of experience in the passing game…. Shockey, Olson, Steve Smith. This seems to be an understated fact.

  73. carpanthers89 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:36 PM

    first of all, yes Dalton has been playing well and putting up decent numbers and wins and i have nothing against him, but Newton has been putting up much better numbers except in the win column, but look at the teams each QB has played. Newton has kept it extremely close against the two previous Superbowl winners in New Orleans and Green bay losing by a touchdown or less, also putting up crazy numbers in those games. Dalton hasn’t even played against a playoff team from last year. Wait until he plays the steelers or ravens, he still has 4 games against those two power house defenses and then we’ll talk about QB’s

  74. brdnc says: Oct 17, 2011 3:40 PM

    I’d suggest 2 tests:
    (1) How many teams if offered an equal trade would want to get Dalton over Newton? I suspect answer would be zero.
    (2) Which player would defensive coordinators rather face and which player is tougher to game plan against.
    All best wishes for Dalton, but barring injury, Newton is going to be a superstar (after 6 games, he’s not all that far away already). BTW, wins and losses are important, but the Panthers losses are all attributable to the defense. None to the offense.

  75. paulisrollin says: Oct 17, 2011 3:40 PM

    “steeltown56 says:
    Mike Brown is not the worst gm in the NFL . Jerry Jones is. Andy Dalton is a good young QB. As a Steeler fan i wish Carson “Rosie” Palmer was the QB not this guy. Mike Brown did the right thing for a change by retiring Carson.”

    Absolutely 100% incorrect. Mike Brown is only forcing Carson to retire because he won’t play for us. Carson retired Carson. Got it? Mike Brown wanted nothing more than for Carson to be this team’s QB even with his history of terrible play (and long list of injuries). So Mike knew Carson wasn’t coming back and drafted Dalton on the second round hoping and praying that Dalton would do just “good enough” to make this team competitive to bring the sheep back in herds. Although I love this team and how they’re playing with heart, I despise Mike Brown. By far the worst Owner/GM in all of pro sports hands down. Nothing he does makes any sense whatsoever. Yeah the AJ Greene pick was great but that was a no brainer. Even Mike couldn’t mess that one up.

  76. udub says: Oct 17, 2011 3:46 PM

    After the Saints v Panthers I came on here and talked about how Newton’s actual performance wasn’t matching the perception of his performance…and my comments got ripped apart.

    How quickly things can change.

  77. theroc5156 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:48 PM

    I’m a Bengals fan and I live in NC. I’ve seen all the Panther games and can tell you that Newton has more weapons. Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Greg Olson and Jeremy Shockey and a better offensive line.

    Who would you want, Steve Smith or AJ Green?
    D Willams/J Stewart of Cedric Benson and Bernard Scott?
    Olson/Shockey or Gresham?
    Panther O-line or Bengals O-line?

    Yet, people are concentrating on the defenses and saying if this guy had that guy’s defense.

    In any event, the Panthers haven’t faced a stiff defense either. Go look at the rankings: Bengals faced the #7 (Cle), #8 (Jax), #12 (SF), #24 (Den), #26 (Ind) and #31 (Buf) defenses.

    Panthers faced #8 (Jax), #17 (NO), #21 (Arz), #22 (Atl), #23 (GB) and #28 (Chi).

    Bengals faced 3 top-15 defenses. Panthers just one.

    (oh, and I like Newton a lot. I have no issue with him winning the award regardless of what happens)

  78. theroc5156 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:50 PM

    The Panthers defense is ranked #16. Hardly “terrible” considering they faced the Packers and Saints.

    Sorry, the defense argument doesn’t hold water.

  79. realfootballfan says: Oct 17, 2011 3:52 PM

    ….And Dalton’s stats compare favorably to the 2010 numbers of Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer, too.

    ——

    Now, if I hear another loser in the media make more excuses for why Carson Palmer wasn’t the problem these past few years, I’m going to scream.

    I never thought Dalton was capable of being an NFL caliber QB, but it’s been obvious for a few years that Palmer has never been the same since that Pittsburgh playoff loss where he was injured on the first play from scrimmage.

    Blame T.O., blame Chad Johnson, blame his offensive line, blame whoever, but his successor has already matched his win total from last year with a worse team at every position (rookie wide receiver, no Jordan Shipley, worse version of Benson, Jonathan Joseph gone to Houston, etc).

    It was obvious that palmer was the problem in ’09 when the Bengals had everything to get to a Super Bowl except he simply isn’t good anymore.

  80. richkotitte says: Oct 17, 2011 3:55 PM

    And his orange hair matching his team uniform is just icing on the perverbial creamsicle cake!

  81. realfootballfan says: Oct 17, 2011 4:07 PM

    What’s sad in these comments is some of the depraved people who are still intent on Cam Newton not being good. Guys, get over it, he is.

    Anyone with half a brain can see that the Bengals defense is far superior to Carolina’s.

    The only thing that should be underlined with Dalton’s performance is that Carson Palmer has been holding that franchise back.

    Also, why having two new good QBs in the league instead of rooting for one of them to be bad because you had some strange preconceived notions of Newton are troubling to say the least. The better QBs that we have with all the teams, the better the league will be.

  82. crip2nite says: Oct 17, 2011 4:21 PM

    It’s the writers who are getting googly for Andy Dalton and the Bengals. Bengals fans are happy yes, as they should be. Another thing to remember is that the Bengals since the Zimmer era have split most games with Steelers and Ravens and in 2009 the Bengals Swept the entire division. Can your team beat the Steelers and the Ravens twice in one year??? Hell No!

  83. panther17 says: Oct 17, 2011 4:22 PM

    theroc5156 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:50 PM

    “The Panthers defense is ranked #16. Hardly “terrible” considering they faced the Packers and Saints.

    Sorry, the defense argument doesn’t hold water.”

    _____________________________________

    The Panthers defense is ranked 28th in scoring defense. The stat that matters on D. The stat that matters more then anything for offense and defense. Do you score and can you stop the other team from scoring.

    The defense argument holds.

  84. Deb says: Oct 17, 2011 4:45 PM

    Yeah, Cam is having a great season and he’s a fabulous athlete. But Dalton is winning games. Kudos to Andy!!

  85. jollygypsy says: Oct 17, 2011 4:57 PM

    As a football fan I think both of these guys are what their respective teams needed. If Carolina isn’t winning with Cam, then they probably wouldn’t win with any rookie QB…and Cam is doing what they need…carry the entire offensive on his shoulders…either get the ball to a play-maker, or be the play-maker.
    Dalton is doing what the Bengals needed…be a smart a cool game manager. They had some talent on both sides of the ball, especially their newest gem in A.J. Green.
    Dalton is kind of like Rothlesberger when he first came in. Everyone was enamored by Carson’s shiny new talent, but the Steelers needed someone who would just throw it 20 times per game, not get rattled and not turn it over and occasionally extend drives by getting out of the pocket.
    Bengals fans hated Rothlesberger because he was winning without huge stats(plus they were jealous and he was from Ohio). But in the long run, Rothlesberger has proved to be a better NFL QB than Carson because it was what the Steelers needed and they just used him better with a better team around him. Carson was great, but the Bengals never put a complete team around him except the year he got hurt(by the Steelers) in the first play of the playoffs.
    Both Dalton and Newton will be good probably for years to come, but it mostly depends on how their teams use them and who they have around them.

  86. phinfan says: Oct 17, 2011 5:17 PM

    Red Rifle!

  87. whodeyz says: Oct 17, 2011 5:23 PM

    sundog05 says:
    Oct 17, 2011 12:51 PM
    Remember Dalton has to face the Ravens X 2 and the Steelers X 2. That’s 4 guaranteed losses. Let’s see how does against those defences before we crown him the Messiah.

    ———————-
    This is not a certainty. Over the last few years, the bengals have always played the Steelers and Ravens well. Lets not forget the steelers have struggled against the colts and jaguars…two of the same teams the Bengals have played. Cincinnati gameplans well against teams in their own division and these divsion games are always close contests that are fun to watch. We can only hope and pray Dalton has the same streak of success against the ravens like Carson did. The red rifle has been poised and a great leader. You can’t ask for more from a rookie and he’s delivered a 4-2 record and a great QB rating. He’s a keeper.

  88. NoHomeTeam says: Oct 17, 2011 6:57 PM

    The Phantom Stranger says:

    NoHomeTeam says:
    The Phantom Stranger says “More reason for the Vikings to start Ponder. Most people had Ponder and Dalton ranked about the same in the draft. I wish the Vikings would have copied the Bengals’ blueprint for success this year.”

    Ponder doesn’t need to [be] “as good” as Dalton, he needs to be better. The Vikings, out of desperation and panic, reached badly by picking him at 12. It’s unfair to the kid, but his production will almost certainly be compared to the guy taken almost 1 full round later.

    I don’t think it’s reaching badly to pick the guy you want when you have the chance. If they wouldn’t have picked him, they wouldn’t have gotten either quarterback. Then where are they?

    Sure hope all this formatting works out, otherwise all those quotes up there are going to look pretty weird . . .

    I guess the question is whether or not you believe that the Ponder was the guy the Vikings wanted. I suspect that ownership felt that the team needed to draft a “1st-Round QB” to show that they were building for the future (in a new stadium), so they picked a guy that had some predraft buzz and hoped that he eventually justified the high pick.

  89. theroc5156 says: Oct 17, 2011 7:07 PM

    panther17 says:
    The Panthers defense is ranked 28th in scoring defense. The stat that matters on D. The stat that matters more then anything for offense and defense. Do you score and can you stop the other team from scoring.

    The defense argument holds.
    ____________________________

    If so, then see my prior point. Dalton has faced better defenses.

  90. gguffey says: Oct 17, 2011 7:21 PM

    Dalton is the real deal. He will be around for a while (barring injury), and should be in several pro bowls down the road.

  91. dino8500 says: Oct 17, 2011 7:29 PM

    For everyone who keeps bringing up last seasons playoff teams, this is a new year so that no longer matters. Defensive ranks 2011 season: carolina played- n.o.-17 arz-21 atl-22 gb-23 chi-28, cincinnati played- cle-7 s.f.-12 dev-24 indy-26 buff-31. So it would seem Dalton not Newton has played and won against the harder teams. Do your research before you say how “hard” Cam has had it. He is a very gifted qb and far exceeds what I thought he would do however Dalton is proving to be the better qb with better ratings and a better win/loss record.

  92. bengals3285 says: Oct 17, 2011 8:48 PM

    Bottom line, Daltons puttin up the stats and winning games. Yes, newton is having a great rookie year throwing the ball as well and he has a lot of passing yards, but he also has a lot of picks and a lower QB rating than Dalton. For everyone saying that Newton is playing harder teams, that may be true, but those teams defenses arent as good as the defenses the bengals have been facing. You can say all you want about the two quarterbacks, but as of now. Dalton has been putting up better stats and more wins. He is also the 2nd rookie QB to ever have over a 100 QB rating his first two starts. 1st is Dan Marino. All I got to say is it is great to be a bengals fan right now. WHODEY!

  93. stockdogdca says: Oct 17, 2011 11:47 PM

    We’ll see how Dalton does in conference play, although I wish him well Cam will win the hardware at the end of the season. “Nuff said”

  94. panther17 says: Oct 18, 2011 8:25 AM

    theroc5156 says: Oct 17, 2011 7:07 PM

    If so, then see my prior point. Dalton has faced better defenses.

    _____________________________________

    The teams Car has played have played a brutal schedule against teams with a good offense.

    The teams Cin has played has played crap except for 1 or 2 teams on their respective schedules.

    Cin will play some great defenses. Right now it is too early to say if he has already played some great defenses.

    Either way, my original point shows through like shining bright light with this conversation.

    Different offenses. Different supporting cast. Asked to do completely different things for their offense. Vastly different strength of schedule. And different defense supporting the offense. You can’t compare the two. Both are doing great and exceeding expectations the team had of them coming in.

    Cin fans enjoy your guy. Your team doesn’t look like the same old Bengals. Congrats.

  95. cincyjungle81 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:29 AM

    Don’t blame Dalton for the Bengals schedule. This isn’t college, you don’t choose who you play out of conference, the NFL makes those decisions.

    As for the comparison of the quarterbacks if you really look at the numbers Dalton does play better when it seems to matter most. His QB Rating is 8 points higher in the second half (80.7 to 88.2) and Newtons drops 11 points (84.4 to 73.1.)

    Cam may produce higher stats, but if he is “great” then why not have him control the game with his legs so they can keep the other offense off the field? Having him throw the ball all over the place is a risk, he has a big arm, big ego, and too many turnovers because of it.

    And how many running quarterbacks have won a Super Bowl?

    The answer is zero. Steve Young won one Super Bowl as a starter (1994.) He had under 300 rushing yards that year.

    Take your stats Newton fans, I’ll take my wins.

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