As for the comparison of the quarterbacks if you really look at the numbers Dalton does play better when it seems to matter most. His QB Rating is 8 points higher in the second half (80.7 to 88.2) and Newtons drops 11 points (84.4 to 73.1.)

Cam may produce higher stats, but if he is “great” then why not have him control the game with his legs so they can keep the other offense off the field? Having him throw the ball all over the place is a risk, he has a big arm, big ego, and too many turnovers because of it.

And how many running quarterbacks have won a Super Bowl?

The answer is zero. Steve Young won one Super Bowl as a starter (1994.) He had under 300 rushing yards that year.

Take your stats Newton fans, I’ll take my wins.

If so, then see my prior point. Dalton has faced better defenses.

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The teams Car has played have played a brutal schedule against teams with a good offense.

The teams Cin has played has played crap except for 1 or 2 teams on their respective schedules.

Cin will play some great defenses. Right now it is too early to say if he has already played some great defenses.

Either way, my original point shows through like shining bright light with this conversation.

Different offenses. Different supporting cast. Asked to do completely different things for their offense. Vastly different strength of schedule. And different defense supporting the offense. You can’t compare the two. Both are doing great and exceeding expectations the team had of them coming in.

Cin fans enjoy your guy. Your team doesn’t look like the same old Bengals. Congrats.

The defense argument holds.
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If so, then see my prior point. Dalton has faced better defenses.

The Phantom Stranger says:

NoHomeTeam says:

The Phantom Stranger says “More reason for the Vikings to start Ponder. Most people had Ponder and Dalton ranked about the same in the draft. I wish the Vikings would have copied the Bengals’ blueprint for success this year.”

Ponder doesn’t need to [be] “as good” as Dalton, he needs to be better. The Vikings, out of desperation and panic, reached badly by picking him at 12. It’s unfair to the kid, but his production will almost certainly be compared to the guy taken almost 1 full round later.

I don’t think it’s reaching badly to pick the guy you want when you have the chance. If they wouldn’t have picked him, they wouldn’t have gotten either quarterback. Then where are they?

Sure hope all this formatting works out, otherwise all those quotes up there are going to look pretty weird . . .

I guess the question is whether or not you believe that the Ponder was the guy the Vikings wanted. I suspect that ownership felt that the team needed to draft a “1st-Round QB” to show that they were building for the future (in a new stadium), so they picked a guy that had some predraft buzz and hoped that he eventually justified the high pick.

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This is not a certainty. Over the last few years, the bengals have always played the Steelers and Ravens well. Lets not forget the steelers have struggled against the colts and jaguars…two of the same teams the Bengals have played. Cincinnati gameplans well against teams in their own division and these divsion games are always close contests that are fun to watch. We can only hope and pray Dalton has the same streak of success against the ravens like Carson did. The red rifle has been poised and a great leader. You can’t ask for more from a rookie and he’s delivered a 4-2 record and a great QB rating. He’s a keeper.

“The Panthers defense is ranked #16. Hardly “terrible” considering they faced the Packers and Saints.

Sorry, the defense argument doesn’t hold water.”

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The Panthers defense is ranked 28th in scoring defense. The stat that matters on D. The stat that matters more then anything for offense and defense. Do you score and can you stop the other team from scoring.

The defense argument holds.

Anyone with half a brain can see that the Bengals defense is far superior to Carolina’s.

The only thing that should be underlined with Dalton’s performance is that Carson Palmer has been holding that franchise back.

Also, why having two new good QBs in the league instead of rooting for one of them to be bad because you had some strange preconceived notions of Newton are troubling to say the least. The better QBs that we have with all the teams, the better the league will be.

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Now, if I hear another loser in the media make more excuses for why Carson Palmer wasn’t the problem these past few years, I’m going to scream.

I never thought Dalton was capable of being an NFL caliber QB, but it’s been obvious for a few years that Palmer has never been the same since that Pittsburgh playoff loss where he was injured on the first play from scrimmage.

Blame T.O., blame Chad Johnson, blame his offensive line, blame whoever, but his successor has already matched his win total from last year with a worse team at every position (rookie wide receiver, no Jordan Shipley, worse version of Benson, Jonathan Joseph gone to Houston, etc).

It was obvious that palmer was the problem in ’09 when the Bengals had everything to get to a Super Bowl except he simply isn’t good anymore.

Sorry, the defense argument doesn’t hold water.

Who would you want, Steve Smith or AJ Green?
D Willams/J Stewart of Cedric Benson and Bernard Scott?
Olson/Shockey or Gresham?
Panther O-line or Bengals O-line?

Yet, people are concentrating on the defenses and saying if this guy had that guy’s defense.

In any event, the Panthers haven’t faced a stiff defense either. Go look at the rankings: Bengals faced the #7 (Cle), #8 (Jax), #12 (SF), #24 (Den), #26 (Ind) and #31 (Buf) defenses.

Panthers faced #8 (Jax), #17 (NO), #21 (Arz), #22 (Atl), #23 (GB) and #28 (Chi).

Bengals faced 3 top-15 defenses. Panthers just one.

(oh, and I like Newton a lot. I have no issue with him winning the award regardless of what happens)

How quickly things can change.

Absolutely 100% incorrect. Mike Brown is only forcing Carson to retire because he won’t play for us. Carson retired Carson. Got it? Mike Brown wanted nothing more than for Carson to be this team’s QB even with his history of terrible play (and long list of injuries). So Mike knew Carson wasn’t coming back and drafted Dalton on the second round hoping and praying that Dalton would do just “good enough” to make this team competitive to bring the sheep back in herds. Although I love this team and how they’re playing with heart, I despise Mike Brown. By far the worst Owner/GM in all of pro sports hands down. Nothing he does makes any sense whatsoever. Yeah the AJ Greene pick was great but that was a no brainer. Even Mike couldn’t mess that one up.

Ponder doesn’t need to “as good” as Dalton, he needs to be better. The Vikings, out of desperation and panic, reached badly by picking him at 12. It’s unfair to the kid, but his production will almost certainly be compared to the guy taken almost 1 full round later.
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I don’t think it’s reaching badly to pick the guy you want when you have the chance. If they wouldn’t have picked him, they wouldn’t have gotten either quarterback. Then where are they?