McNabb still thinks he’s the Vikings’ starter

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Donovan McNabb was benched in favor of Christian Ponder in the Vikings’ loss to the Bears on Sunday night, but McNabb doesn’t think it was a permanent decision.

I don’t see it ending like this,” McNabb said. “But it’s tough. You’re 1-5 at this particular point. I felt like we did a lot of great things [Sunday]. But I guess we’ll sit down to talk, but I still expect to be in there next week.”

I don’t know too many people who would agree with McNabb that the Vikings “did a lot of great things” in their 39-10 loss to the Bears. McNabb was far from the only reason the Vikings lost, but he didn’t do a lot to help them win, either.

So is McNabb right that he’s still the starter? Vikings coach Leslie Frazier wouldn’t commit to that.

“We’re going sit down on Monday and just talk about a lot of things and just decide on what direction we want to go,” Frazier said.

For his part, Ponder looked like, well, a young Donovan McNabb, showing off good mobility and good pocket awareness but missing some throws. He finished 9-of-17 for 99 yards, and he didn’t have any turnovers. He said afterward that he wasn’t sure if he’ll be back on the field next week against the Packers.

“I don’t know,” Ponder said. “Who knows? I know I missed a couple plays, made a couple plays. But that’s not my call. That’s always Coach’s call, and Donovan didn’t have a bad game this game either. But who knows? We’ll see.”

The bottom line is that McNabb isn’t getting the job done, and the Vikings need to see what they have in Ponder. If Frazier isn’t going to declare Ponder the starter effective immediately, the only reason that would make sense is that Frazier doesn’t want to throw Ponder to the wolves with the Vikings set to play the best team in the league on Sunday. But sooner rather than later, McNabb needs to be sent to the bench permanently.

81 responses to “McNabb still thinks he’s the Vikings’ starter

  1. “I don’t see it ending like this.”

    Does he mean his career, or his time starting for the Vikes? If the latter, it’s been only six weeks… and it didn’t just end like this– it started like this and stayed like this. What’s a team supposed to do?

  2. “McNabb still thinks he’s the Vikings’ starter”

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    And Jeff George thinks he can still play, too…

  3. its time to go McDone you are a shadow of yourr former self and your taken up a roster spot. you and berrian both need to go i dont understand why we even signed your over the hill a$$!!!!

  4. McNabb also thinks those ground balls the throws are laid out perfectly. McNabb also thinks that it’s a-okay to just lie down in the endzone for a safety. McNabb also thinks it’s acceptable that he’s gasping for air 15 seconds in to each drive.

    But, as long as HE doesn’t see it ending like this, I’m sure he’s right about all of the above.

  5. Dude has lost his touch, both as a player and with reality. He is not what he was a few years ago. The saddest athlete ever is one who doesn’t know to let go.

  6. I won’t be watching any more Vikings games as long as McNabb is under center. What a snoozefest.

  7. When Ponder came into the game I realized how old and slow McNabb now is. And those classic passes into recievers feet so. I heard Collingsworth at one point say that his stats arent that bad. Thats McNabb in a nutshell. He doesnt take chances and will take a sack to avoid incompletions. Ponder certainly has a lot to learn but what advantage do the Vikes have by starting McNabb? Its not like theyre drafting Luck.

  8. McNabb sucks. Always has.

    The talent around him in Philly was always much better than people thought and that covered many of this guy’s shortcomings.

  9. scudbot – PR has nothing to do with McNabb and his team playing well. read my post above. A reciever has to be wide open for him to take a chance. Hes been like this for the past 6-7 years after T.O. left him. McNabb isnt a guy that you can read his stats the next day and assume the loss wasnt on him. He was aweful last night.

  10. Stick a fork in him. McNabb is done.

    Have the gonads to call it quits when you cant play anymore. You had a decent run in Philadelphia and should have retired. All you are doing now is padding your already exorbitant bank account and ticking fans off.

  11. Never followed McNabb closely when he was in Philly, but always thought he was a pretty good, accurate QB.

    After watching him a couple of times this year now, it seems every pass he throws bounces off the grass at the feet of the WR’s. His passes are awful.

    Has he always been this way, or is he just regressing as his career winds down?

  12. If vikes are smart, (and they are not) they would try to trade him to the raiders for a draft pick or two. Raiders are delusional enough to think they have a shot this year at doing something.

  13. “I felt like we did a lot of great things…”

    Oh, yeah? Name one!

    As a lifelong Vikings fan, I didn’t see many GOOD things, let alone GREAT things. Another failed bridge QB experiment!

  14. Is there a more delusional man in the entire NFL?

    Sad.

    Most guys would know they suck, and simply not say anything at all.

  15. “If Frazier isn’t going to declare Ponder the starter effective immediately, the only reason that would make sense is that Frazier doesn’t want to throw Ponder to the wolves with the Vikings set to play the best team in the league on Sunday.”

    Actually, there is one other reason that makes perfect sense, but most people aren’t comfortable talking about it.

  16. Maybe they should take some advice from Ted Thompson and know when to say when. Get that young blood Ponder out there and leave him out there.

    I don’t even know why the Vikes picked up McNabb in the first place. Then again, they were the same team who picked up Favre. Don’t you know how this story’s gonna end?

  17. TV426- What talent? As much as everyone wants to blame Mcnabb, this us a team sport and it isn’t just Mcnabb that’s losing these games. Quit acting like rubes and pretending our team would be performing much better with a different qb. We got smoked and Mcnabb played fairly well. Frazier should be on the hot seat.

  18. Only good things can happen for the Vikings this weekend. If Ponder starts, you’ll start to learn whether you have a keeper. If he doesn’t start, you’ll know that your coach is a gutless non-leader.

  19. Christian Ponder=Troy Williamson. A pure panic move and a waste of a first round pick where the Vikings took a player to fill a position who was rated much lower in the draft.

  20. McNabb seems to suffer from the same delusions that Childress did… must be an ex-Philly thing.

    The kid didn’t look that bad last night… I wouldn’t compare him to a young McNabb, but he showed off some mobility, a good pocket awareness, and that he can make some throws. I just hope Frazier swallows his pride sooner rather than later and gives Ponder a chance to get meaningful game reps this season since we’re going nowhere fast.

  21. They will have to cut McNabb before the end of the season as he will criticize Ponder at every turn. McNabb is somewhat separated from reality and will be unable to watch quietly from the sidelines.

  22. If Frazier isn’t going to declare Ponder the starter effective immediately, the only reason that would make sense is that Frazier doesn’t want to throw Ponder to the wolves with the Vikings set to play the best team in the league on Sunday

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    The O-line is horrible, plus they lost two starters to injury yesterday. If those guys are still out next week that means you have the back-ups starting. If you’re a back-up to a bad offensive line just how bad are you? Why subject your future QB to this?

    Wait a week and start Ponder against the Panthers or wait until after the bye week. The Vikings aren’t going anywhere anyways and they would still have half the season to evaluate him.

  23. As usual, the media has pounced on McNabb and Grossman, calling for them to be fired. Fortunately for those two, the media doesn’t really get to make those calls (except in Denver). Good luck to Rex and Donovan.

  24. That Oline should be fire on the spot. That was some of the worst pass blocking I’ve ever seen. Ponder was running for his life the second the ball was in his hands.

  25. Watching McNabb move yesterday reminded me of my 10 year old Golden Retriever:

    -Awkward
    -Clumsy
    -Not as fast as he used to be
    -Deliberate

    McNabb didn’t make any mistakes last night, but that box was stacked against the run, and he could never make them pay for it.

  26. McNabb was great, his young receivers will get better if they work really hard and compensate for their inexperience…. O line too

    love, Donovan’s Mom….

  27. 42 yr old Favre is better than Mcnabb at any age. Though i wasnt a fan of picking up favre in the first place he proved a lot of people wrong the first year, even the second it wasnt all on him. Mckinney pretty much got favre killed last year, and Rice decided he was done for the vikes.

    What i do find interesting is that when Favre was on the sidelines, even when he wasnt playing he was always studying the defense, Mcnabb stares out into space thinking his wrist band is enough. Favre is a first ballot hall of famer Mcnabb will most likely not make it in.

    Its laughable to think Frazier thought Mcnabb would elevate this team to compete like Favre did. And if Frazier continues to keep Berrian in there when he proves time and time again he should not be a Pro WR, the owner should question whether he needs to make a coaching move before the end of the season.

  28. Not a Vikes fan but halfway through the game McNabb was like 11-15 so he was basically doing his job. There was no running game and the defense sucked so they blaimed him. I thought he played relatively well and there was a lot of dropped passes.
    I would put money on Ponder starting. I noticed he did a good job of imitating Aaron Rogers, short quick passes in the flats and running the ball with authority. He is the started period.
    This is the Packers coming to town and if they win only one more game it must be against them.

  29. “throwing a rookie QB to the wolves” makes me laugh, this is the NFL, time to put your big boy pants on, whether its the superbowl champs or Arizona they’re all going to get after the QB just as hard. The Vikes chances to beat the pack are at 1% with Mcnabb. those chances stay at 1% with Ponder.

  30. Les Frazier has enjoyed a honeymoon period due to fan hatred of the cold, surrly and incompetant Brad Childress. If Mc Nabb walks out as starter next week against Green Bay, the honeymoon period is over and Frazier joins Mcnabb and Berrian as fan targets for boos.

  31. McNabb reminds me of the Knight from Monty Python’s Holy Grail….

    “Oh no….no problem…it’s just a flesh wound.”

    He could be cut and he’d still think he was the starter….what’s up with this guy?

  32. Ilaughatitall writes:
    Dude has lost his touch, both as a player and with reality. He is not what he was a few years ago. The saddest athlete ever is one who doesn’t know to let go.
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    We Philly fans have been saying this since 2008. It’s funny though…his decline was so quick and at an early age for a QB. He went from specializing in the ridiculous (with some problems and weaknesses) to absolutely horrible in like one year. And the worse he played, the more sensitive and passive aggressive he got with the media and his team. He certainly looks done now.

  33. If McNabb is re-installed he’ll require a FINANCIAL APOLOGY.

    If McNabb is not the starter, he probably should be let go. He’s not what I think of when I envision an aging vet helping the youngster.

    Maybe the Raiders would give him a shot.

  34. McNabb gives the Vikings their best chance of winning – if you define winning as suck for Luck as Luck could be the next great qb. With the first overall pick in hand they could trade it for so many players it may turn out to be a reverse Herschel Walker or they could keep the pick and deal Ponder.

    McNabb was a good qb in his day (eagles fan). He will make for a very good backup for the next few years. He just doesn’t have the heart or the work ethic to be a qb in the NFL.

  35. kissbillsring,

    OK, the unthinkable…I am going to defend McNabb. McNabb is not “stupid”, that’s off-base and there’s nothing to support it.

    He’s simply a guy that relied on his natural athleticism and ability, and both are eroding rapidly. He’s a shell of his former self physically – and can no longer “out-athlete” defenders. This was what we saw in Philly his last 2 seasons.

    He was never a “student of the game”, and now he’s paying for it.

    His decision not to raise his football IQ was a choice. And it has nothing to do with his “real world” IQ.

  36. Love or hate Philly fans, they were absolutely right in their assessment of Donovan McNabb when the Eagles let him go…

    The perception of McNabb has always been greater than reality…

  37. It is time for them to make Ponder the starter so they can at least have a hint about what the 2012 Los Angeles Vikings will look like.

  38. On one hand, McNabb was very accurate in that he completed most of his passes last night. On the other hand, when he tried to roll out or run with the ball, he looked very old and slow and he refuses to chuck the ball downfield. So the opposing team knows everything is going to be short and underneath.

    Having said all that, I still think McNabb is the least of this team’s problems. The insane playcalling and poor defense and special teams have done this team in from the beginning.

  39. Who cares if they play the Packers next week. Ponder can handle it. He’s a rookie QB who been in this situation before in college. Yes, college and pro football are different, but Ponder was one of the most NFL ready QB’s coming out of the draft. IF you’re going to play him this year, do it NOW. Screw the Packers and waiting until the bye week. This kid will do just fine.

  40. Eagles fans have seen this forever and its only getting worse. Nothing is ever his fault. Even when he “accepts” responsibility, he will throw others under the bus immediately. His act is tired and its time to go…

  41. Ponder hit more receivers in stride in his 9 completions than McNabb has all season. Its an absolute no-brainer, PLAY PONDER.

  42. It is time for them to make Ponder the starter so they can at least have a hint about what the 2012 Los Angeles Vikings will look like.
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    rip any part of the Vikings lack of talent or ability pool you wish, however the constant rhetorical comments relating Vikings to LA are as adolescent as you at this point, come up with another angle for a change if you want to b relevant. ur a worthless broken record.

  43. As a carrer long McNabb fan, I’m not afraid to “fess up” on this board. Iwas wrong about him over the past few years. He is done, finished, over and out as a starter in the NFL. He is now older than his actual age, slow and physically challenged. Plus his confidence is shot to pieces.

    The Vikings should end this charade immediately and go with Ponder as number 1 with Webb in reserve and in special packages for the rest of the year.

    Ponder looked terrific in a very limited role last night. He demonstrated a surprisingly strong, accurate arm and quick decision making ability. For awhile, he reminded me of a youthful Steve Young. And that team responded to his presence very well. Don’t waste your time thinking about this Frasier. Throw the kid to the Wolves and trust him. I, for one, believe he can tame the beasts. Pressure didn’t seem to rattle him at all.

  44. favre really never mentored anyone, and he made some stupid plays, but he was trying to win.

    his head was in the game. and he was one of the guys. after myron pryor crunched him, favre got to spend time on the bench. and he helped.

    never thought mcnabb was well conditioned. his accuracy has never been that good. he isnt ever mentoring anyone. reid and westbrook carried him for years. he might be afraid that ratbag in philly will criticize him for even thinking about mentoring ponder.

  45. Best part of last night’s game was Momma McNabb saying “screw it, I’m going to bed”

    So much for Sunday Night being the place to be

  46. “If Frazier isn’t going to declare Ponder the starter effective immediately, the only reason that would make sense is that Frazier doesn’t want to throw Ponder to the wolves with the Vikings set to play the best team in the league on Sunday. ”

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    on the topic of throwing your inexperienced first rounder to the wolves:

    frazier did that last night when the starting center went down, as did the starting right tackle on an already shaky line.

    they were replaced at center by berger, who seems half decent, and a right tackle that most of us haven’t heard of, who struggled for the remainder of the game.

    i’m with the superstar mike morris in wanting to see what the guy can do behind the starting offensive line. i think he flashed fairly well behind last night’s swiss cheese line.

  47. Not sure why my last comment was removed. All I said was the Packers are 30th in the NFL in pass defense, so I don’t think starting Ponder against them is exactly “throwing him to the wolves.” Starting McNabb would be throwing somebody to the wolves because the fans will be all over him.

  48. Philly look smarter each team McNabb goes to. His mother even walked out on him last night in Chicago.

  49. vikefan says:
    Oct 17, 2011 11:22 AM
    rip any part of the Vikings lack of talent or ability pool you wish, however the constant rhetorical comments relating Vikings to LA are as adolescent as you at this point, come up with another angle for a change if you want to b relevant. ur a worthless broken record.

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    At least Green Bay will have an NFL team in 2012 unlike that Canadian Province of Minnesota.

  50. I’m sure it’s not a popular opinion but McNabb was one of the few Vikings to show up. He missed on one pass all night. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth giving Ponder a shot.

  51. Just quit and start your media career, McNabb!!!

    Your best attribute was sucking up to the cronies in Bristol!!!! Why else are you not that thick skinned???

    Cuz you got more love than you deserved!!!

  52. The O line & swiss cheese secondary is the real problem for the Vikings. Don’t forget the LB’s who look like they are running in wet cement.

    Also there is no real reason to play McNabb anymore unless Ponder & Webb get hurt. Webb looks awful in the wildcat. That isn’t working. Scrap it. Especially on first down. Musgrave isn’t doing well either.

  53. Like former Redskins coach George Allen once said. “The future is now!” Start Ponder right now and continue developing the talented Joe Webb. And the Vikes future could be set for the next 10 years at QB. Both young QBs look extremely promising. With Ponder showing the bigger upside because of his precision passing, strong arm, elusiveness and laser fast decision making skills. Webb will be the kind of talented backup need on the Vikes. One where the team won’t miss a beat as it matures and Ponder inevitably gets injured. And bring in a savvy old veteran sage like Chad Pennington, in the short term, to mentor Ponder and be a second or third option in case of injuries. Remember, Pennington was the ackowledged smartest QB in the NFL on an IQ basis. Just had a weak arm.

    Were I the Vikings, I would trade A Peterson to a contender because of his high trade value for a number one pick in 2012. Start Gerhardt and Harvin in the backfield with Ponder, while doing a lightning reload. They could be dangerous in a few years if they play this smart, instead of with their heart.

  54. NFL fans tend to be shallow and myopic. When McNabb was drafted by the Eagles in 1999, the Eagles had been struggling and going nowhere. He together with Andy Reid and a rejuvenated defense made the Eagles a perennial playoff contender. They went to 5 NFC title games and a superbowl.

    For his first 5 years at Philly, they had a mediocre offense and McNabb carried that offense with his arm and legs. When he finally got a great reciever in Terrell Owens for a year, he put together a great season statistically and Philly was the best team in the NFC. They went on to lose a close game to the Pats in the superbowl. In fact the year that he had TO, he was among the top 3 QBs in the league along with Manning and Culpepper. If McNabb had consistently had a talented offensive team around him like Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman, Steve Young etc there is no telling how great he could have been.

    John Elway was consistently mocked for being a choker and innacurate until he got Terrell Davis, Rod Smith and a great O-line. In many ways McNabb’s career paralleled Elway’s career a lot. Someday soon the Eagles fans will miss McNabb.

  55. eagles512 says:
    Oct 17, 2011 1:37 PM
    I’m sure it’s not a popular opinion but McNabb was one of the few Vikings to show up. He missed on one pass all night. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth giving Ponder a shot.
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    His first pass of the game was typical of McNabb. Most people say it was a drop by Shiancoe, but the pass was high and behind him. It should have been caught, but a competent QB would have put it in a spot where he could catch it in stride and run for a few yards. Three plays and punt is not the way to start a nationally televised game on the road. I’m tired of seeing those slightly off passes, in addition to the bounce passes and overthrows.

  56. “Someday soon the Eagles fans will miss McNabb.”

    —Yeah, the’ve been saying that for two years. Don’t miss him in the slightest. I’m more than willing to deal with Vick’s issues reading defenses and not knowing how to slide, just as I was more than willing to deal with Kolb. We saw McNutts starting to choke more and more…but it was worse than that. It’s his lackadaisical play, his passive-agressive attitude and his oversensitivity. He also throws his teammates under the bus, and never got how much it hurts the fans when the team loses. It’s just a game to him. Pretty sure that the fans shouldn’t take his job more seriously than he does.

  57. I called this before they even picked up mcNabb the Vikings need to start Ponder or they are throwing away this year and then next year when Ponder learns on the fly, by the third year the starters are past their prime…

    unless…. the Vikings want to do the NFL biddings and move to LA it’s about $$$ and they need a team there..

    ah the the evil we weave in order to deceive..

  58. Mooch, Vick actually credited McNabb with showing him to be a professional QB in terms of film study, working out, prep, etc. I’m an Eagle fan that actually appreciates what he did for us, unlike 80% of the idiot fans in this town.

  59. McNabb is far from the problem. No QB is going to succeed in this offense with the Oline and WR’s that the Vikings currently have. Putting Ponder out there in that situation isn’t a smart move. All risk and very little reward.

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