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Penalty on Harbaugh may have started feud with Schwartz

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Jim Harbaugh and Jim Schwartz’s altercation heard around the football world may have been inspired by a mistake Harbaugh made in the first quarter Sunday.

After Brandon Pettigrew scored the game’s first touchdown, Harbaugh decided to challenge the play.  He was given a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for an illegal challenge.   (All scoring plays are automatically reviewed.)

Chris Chase at Yahoo! Sports unearthed the television broadcast of the aftermath, which shows Lions coach Jim Schwartz enjoying the penalty to no end. He strutted up and down the sideline yelling towards the 49ers sideline.

It’s unclear what Schwartz yelled, but it seemed to be about knowing the rules.  (Check around the 2 minute mark of the video.) Perhaps that moment caused Harbaugh to be a little more exuberant in his back-slapping at the game’s end.

Florio may disagree, but I enjoy seeing the emotion out of the coaches. It’s an emotional game and great theatre. Harbaugh and Schwartz have a lot in common, which is why their confrontation almost makes sense.

Of course, Harbaugh was the one able to display the most enjoyable emotions after the game.

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  1. jnbnet says: Oct 17, 2011 1:22 PM

    Can you imagine the uproar if Bill Belichick had been involved?

  2. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 17, 2011 1:22 PM

    It was a good run for the Lions, but this is the beginning of the implosion.

  3. londonfletcher says: Oct 17, 2011 1:23 PM

    Cooley/Romo AND Harbaugh/Schwartz cagefight! NFL goes UFC Pay-Per View!

  4. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 17, 2011 1:24 PM

    They may be coaching 5-1 teams, but both of these coaches are losers.

  5. jcdavey2011 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:25 PM

    oh it definitely started it

    the lions coach was laughing at sf when the flag was given, harbaugh made a noob mistake

    there’s no doubt, if you watched the game, that flag started it

  6. steelnucs says: Oct 17, 2011 1:25 PM

    I really wanted to blame this on Harbaugh. But if this is accurate about Schwartz, then he is pretty much a tool and I’m glad they got beat.

    Karma has sharp teeth sometimes.

  7. goawayeverybody says: Oct 17, 2011 1:25 PM

    I enjoy seeing emotion out of the coaches. I do not enjoy them behaving like a bunch of lunatics at the end of the game.

  8. nineroutsider says: Oct 17, 2011 1:25 PM

    Harbaugh shouldn’t have been so fired up running across the field, but I support my guy…Schwartz took it to another level be trying to get physical (with a guy that punched out Jim Kelly for calling him soft). Harbaugh, like his team, is not soft.

    Schwartz had no business yelling at the Niner sidelines…they got penalized for it. Glad to see the 9ers had the last laugh though. Schwartz was like a little poodle biting at Harbaugh’s leg as he walked away.

    9ers!

  9. servegmo says: Oct 17, 2011 1:25 PM

    niners baby!! coach harbaugh and this team is a bad a@@!! go niners

  10. svcfilmguy says: Oct 17, 2011 1:26 PM

    Hey, I enjoy it when coaches show emotions as much as the next guy, but Schwartz really embarrassed himself here. Unless spittle or a barbaric insult to one of Schwartz’s loved ones was involved, there is no justification for acting like that. I don’t want to hear about Harbaugh’s back slap or grandstanding being a justification. That’s kindergarten “but he started it!” nonsense. Unprofessional and humiliating.

    That being said, Harbaugh could have acted like he has won before. Tom Coughlin showed more restraint when he pulled off arguably the biggest upset in NFL history. Neither coach comes off particularly well.

  11. johnnycash19 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:26 PM

    Face it, both of the coaches were in the wrong, but you would love either one of them on your team. Good coaches and emotional coaches. Neither of them want losing to become a habit to their respective teams.

  12. jimbobobjr says: Oct 17, 2011 1:26 PM

    Three words for you Schwartz:
    Get Over Yourself!

  13. joetoronto says: Oct 17, 2011 1:29 PM

    Harbaugh looked like a 49er, with his hands over his head and jumping up and down.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that, if you live in Frisco.

  14. glac1 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:29 PM

    Schwartz needs to grow up……….. Pitiful behavior by the “leader” of the team.

  15. oruacat2 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:29 PM

    Harbaugh slapped him on the back a bit too hard, but Schwartz’ revisionist version of what happened (“shoved out of the way”?) pretty much tells you all you need to know about this one.

    Schwartz had the tables turned on him and that’s why he overreacted.

  16. ninernation49 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:30 PM

    When watching that replay Harbaugh is jumping up in celebration, giving players highfives, then he meets Schwartz and its like ok here is my hand now move out I’m celebrating! Don’t see anything wrong with that. Plus, Schwartz was talking mad smack over that challenge “learn the F**** rules Harbaugh” If was I Jim I would have just walked right on by no handshake needed. Niners looking tough, and that D is just scary! I hope we meet them Lions in the playoffs!

  17. badfish6907 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:30 PM

    Looked to me like he said, “Know the rules Harbaugh!”, and then proceeded to strut up and down the sidelines.

  18. realitypolice says: Oct 17, 2011 1:30 PM

    There is a pretty clear connection between coaching personalities and Super Bowl champs.

    The rah rah jump up and down, college coach style doesn’t have a very good record of success- if you measure success by super bowl wins and not by regular season wins.

    Not talking about emotional coaching. I am specifically talking about the back-slapping, high fiving, one-of-the-boys types.

    Don’t believe me? Go to a list of Super Bowl champs over the last 20 years.

    One coach, ONE over the last twenty years- Gruden in 2003 with Tampa- can be classified as that type of coach.

    So, umm…yeah. I will wait a little awhile until I put Harbaugh in the coaching hall of fame.

  19. jimbobobjr says: Oct 17, 2011 1:30 PM

    Schwartz needs to stop acting like Jim Harbaugh’s whiny brother.

  20. stanmackley says: Oct 17, 2011 1:32 PM

    its hard to believe that a team with a qb that consistently throws 13-28, 170 yards, 0 TD’s, and 1-2 picks a game is bound for the playoffs. sorry 49ers, the 2nd half of the season will be brutal.

  21. xpensivewinos says: Oct 17, 2011 1:32 PM

    Even if go with the premise that Harbaugh was totally to blame (for the sake of argument), Schwartz still blew it because he could have been the bigger man and walked away and made Harbaugh look like a clown. He couldn’t handle losing any better than Harbaugh handled winning.

    When the dust settled, I think Schwartz actually found a way to come out of this looking worse than Harbaugh.

  22. bengalsown says: Oct 17, 2011 1:32 PM

    Is that the first time EVER that a penalty has been given out for an illegal challenge?

  23. cmstrick says: Oct 17, 2011 1:32 PM

    I like seeing emotion from coaches, too. What say we get rid of overtime and have tie games settled by a Head Coach vs. Head Coach cage match?

  24. tangeuray says: Oct 17, 2011 1:33 PM

    The problem I have with the TD was there was no actual review. once the refs called it a TD Det took 13 seconds to setup for the PAT…..

  25. pacificamjr says: Oct 17, 2011 1:33 PM

    Harbaugh, like most of his Umich and Stanford brethren is a D-BAG of the first order! Schwartzy would have knocked him out if Harbaugh didnt run and hide!

    I hope the Lions get a playoff rematch with these clowns!

  26. romosexualtendencies69 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:33 PM

    Harbaugh already has a history. I don’t think he needs any reason to act like a…yeah

    Just two hotheads going after each other

  27. cowboyhater says: Oct 17, 2011 1:34 PM

    Schwartz is just a sore loser, and was beaten by the better team. Harbaugh showed some emotion. Is that so bad from a head coach. I would love that my head coach is excited about a win, and shows emotion in front of his team. This whole situation is ridiculous.

  28. cornellsteelers says: Oct 17, 2011 1:34 PM

    Hopefully they meet again in the playoffs. They could have a cage fight for the halftime show!

  29. phelbin says: Oct 17, 2011 1:34 PM

    Schwartz’s reaction after the game was unbelievable. Suddenly he’s taking the moral high ground and is surprised by obscenities? Pot, meet kettle. This would be like Rex Ryan being offended by trash talking.

  30. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Oct 17, 2011 1:34 PM

    Double G, Mike Pereira at Fox had video of this, too. In fact, he thinks Schwartz used a couple choice words before “knowing the rules.” Might be interesting to check the time stamps to see who had the story first.

  31. jhart615 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:34 PM

    Okay…it’s done. Let’s move on..

  32. your6ringsaremeaninglessnow says: Oct 17, 2011 1:34 PM

    This story is already overblown and boring. I’m a Lions fan, and what bothered me most about yesterday’s game was not Harbaugh’s ridiculous chest bump or Schwartz snapping and acting like a fool. What bothers me is losing, getting straight up out played by the Niners. It was an embarrassing performance by our offense. Our O-Line was exposed once again and until we fix this problem, we’re not making it past the first round of the playoffs.

  33. supashug says: Oct 17, 2011 1:35 PM

    insert cricket sound

  34. clownsfan says: Oct 17, 2011 1:35 PM

    May da Schwartz be witcha!

  35. leatherhelmets says: Oct 17, 2011 1:36 PM

    What would Woody Hayes do?

  36. 1phd says: Oct 17, 2011 1:37 PM

    Let’s also not forget that Schwartz was talking trash at the start of the game as well, when he said the 49ers deferred receiving the opening kickoff (something they’ve done all season) because they were afraid of the Detroit D and the crowd noise. Not exactly.

  37. humb0lt says: Oct 17, 2011 1:37 PM

    One one hand, this entire episode is being way overblown. So what.

    On the other hand, it is a bit surprising that two grown men in their mid ’40s who earn millions can be so immature.

  38. andre504 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:37 PM

    As a Niner fan, the aftermath after the game takes away from a great road win against a good home team. But, hearing all of the media coverage about the altercation is annoying. These are two emotional driven head coaches that love their teams, so what if they got into it, its football. On the other hand, Mr. Schwartz can’t complain about Harbaugh, look at the link, he says ” Know the rules Harbaugh!” Lions coach is just as enthusiastic after his post game conferences and at sometime, stating that the 9ers should fear the Lions D. Do not dish out what you cannot handle, that is all I am saying. Let the Lions come to the Stick, I believe it will be a different game.

  39. joecool16280 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:37 PM

    Chris Chase is a horrible writer. Proof is in his past articles.

  40. stampede101 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:38 PM

    Schwartz is still stewing about not getting the Niners’ HC job back in ’05…hold on to a grudge much?

  41. eaglesandravens says: Oct 17, 2011 1:39 PM

    Has the look of a head coach rivalry and soon a team rivalry. This is good stuff

  42. 319hike says: Oct 17, 2011 1:40 PM

    6 more days left before this is forgotten.

  43. drew44 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:41 PM

    Harbaugh is 100% team oriented coach. He has little time for the formalities of NFL coaching. Plus, in the offseason, Schwartz met Harbaugh at an NFL event, and told him he could not succeed with San Francisco and Alex Smith. So to loose to the Niners, he had a back slap and an obscenity coming. In yo face!

  44. wickedmadd says: Oct 17, 2011 1:42 PM

    I still don’t think Harbaugh acted out of line. His team just had a huge win. Hes jacked up. Schwartz needs to man up, this world is far too PC….

  45. 9ernation says: Oct 17, 2011 1:43 PM

    You can clearly see Harbaugh looking across the field and seeing Schwartz make him look like an idiot. Schwartz seemed to love making fun of him, it would have been easy for him to just shut up and enjoy the moment without trying to make Harbaugh feel like an ass.

    I wasn’t happy with Harbaugh but after seeing that video I am so happy with they way he handled that handshake!!!!

    Go 49ers!!!!

  46. cursedvikingfan says: Oct 17, 2011 1:45 PM

    Jim Schwartz wants to talk about sideline and postgame protocol? What a hypocrite! I am enjoying the Lions success, but come on coach. Don’t like someone celebrating a win and then acting like a fool thereafter? Sounds like karma to me.

  47. P_Willy says: Oct 17, 2011 1:45 PM

    love it!

  48. jnbnet says: Oct 17, 2011 1:46 PM

    Way to stay classy Schwartz. Prance up and down the sidelines…taunting the opposition after you score, but can’t talke it when you loose. The football world is going to be hating on the Lions sooner than later if you keep acting like this.

  49. patbocam says: Oct 17, 2011 1:46 PM

    Wow, the biggest shocker to me is the fact that both of these teams are relevant again and WE are talking about them

  50. kellyb9 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:47 PM

    I don’t understand how you can lecture your players about keeping your composure and not taking stupid penalties after that display. It was a complete lack of class by both of them. This isn’t college ball – act like professionals. It’s amazing that everyone made such a big deal out of Belichick and Mangini’s handshake after seeing this.

  51. romosexualtendencies says: Oct 17, 2011 1:52 PM

    realitypolice:

    Do you remember a guy by the name of Jimmy Johnson? won 2 superbowls in the 90′s.

  52. musicman495 says: Oct 17, 2011 1:58 PM

    Schwartz was wrong in his behavior after the game, but this story is baloney. Schwartz is not gloating in this video, he is yelling at the ref to make sure that a penalty is called because he knows the rule. I have seen coaches do this a hundred times to make sure the ref calls an infraction, especially if it is a rule or situation that does not come into play that often.

    If you want to know why Harbaugh did what he did, or what and to whom Schwartz yelled in the 1st Qtr, why the heck don’t you ask him instead of guessing?

  53. angrycorgi says: Oct 17, 2011 2:00 PM

    Yup…As I commented before, Schwartz LOVES to run his mouth. It’s a wonder why he would be shocked to hear some retaliation from it. I guess this time he couldn’t wait until the post-game to mock the opposing team and just made right at it mid-game. The lions have built some really good talent, now they just need some decent coaches.

  54. brooklynniner19 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:00 PM

    How about them 9ers?! ;)

  55. dukemarc says: Oct 17, 2011 2:03 PM

    That’s not emotion Rosie – it’s both of them acting like children.

  56. tinbender2000 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:04 PM

    stanmackley says: Oct 17, 2011 1:32 PM

    its hard to believe that a team with a qb that consistently throws 13-28, 170 yards, 0 TD’s, and 1-2 picks a game is bound for the playoffs. sorry 49ers, the 2nd half of the season will be brutal.
    ======================================
    Do you watch football? The 2nd half of the 49′ers season is mostly all downhill, nothing brutal about it.

  57. GhostoftheBay says: Oct 17, 2011 2:04 PM

    Coaches have a little rivalry brewing, but how about the players, ” @AnthonyDavis76 Lions got TeaBaggggggged in thier house lmao.. lol and i saved shwartz life at the end..” This was tweeted to Cliff Avril and removed ten minutes later.

  58. zeckwreck says: Oct 17, 2011 2:07 PM

    Is it me, or was that one of the most boring games of the year?

    Both teams looked awful to me, so not sure why 9ers fans are doing backflips over it. I’m pretty sure most teams in the NFL could beat a Lions team playing that terribly on both sides of the ball.

    Good job on a fast start, but the real games that matter are coming up. If the 9ers or Lions play any contender on their “A” game, they are screwed.

  59. bischof21 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:08 PM

    No one here has ever let their emotions get the best of them before? Find that hard to believe.

    I’m sure both realize they acted like clowns and realize they looked stupid. I’ve done stupid things before as well I’m not going to sit up on my high horse and throw stones at people.

    Blount let his emotions get the best of him after a game and punched an opposing player. I don’t think he has had any similar antics since then. Things happen and you move on.

    This is what the 4th article about this topic? Give it a rest already.

  60. romosexualtendencies69 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:11 PM

    And can we please stop talking about Harbaugh is making miracles in San Francisco.

    Wasn’t this team considered to have the best talent in the sorry NFC West for years?

    Hasn’t this team had a good running game for years?

    Aside from last year, hasn’t San Francisco had a solid defense as well?

    Heck, didn’t they come close, despite an 0-for whatever start to winning the pathetic NFC West?

    I think Harbaugh can become a good coach(especially if he ever learns to calm down) but give me a break already. Clearly he can motivate but who knows how long that will last and it’s not like he was given nothing to work with.

    I seem to recall Josh McDaniels starting 6-0 with the same smug attitude and couldn’t keep it up.

    How about Harbaugh(the QB) works on that passing game(which is near dead last) and actually make it average. Now that would be a miracle.

    Last I checked, The Jets with a much better defense and running game the past two years haven’t won squat with Alex Smith…I mean Mark Sanchez.

  61. yaryers says: Oct 17, 2011 2:11 PM

    Someone please answer me this: Why was Jim Schwartz not penalized for doing THE EXACT SAME THING?! He threw the red flag and challenged Nate Burleson’s non-TD, and got it reversed. Shouldn’t that play have been automatically reviewed?

  62. bigbaldpapahawk says: Oct 17, 2011 2:13 PM

    It is stunning that in such a competitive environment that folks get heated every now and then!

    That was sarcasm for those of you who have a hard time seeing it.

  63. leofan1234 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:14 PM

    The problem I have with the TD was there was no actual review. once the refs called it a TD Det took 13 seconds to setup for the PAT…..

    ______________________________
    all TD’s are reviewed by the booth. It doesn’t matter how fast a team tries to kick the PAT.

    “Learn the rules!”

  64. ninerdynasty says: Oct 17, 2011 2:15 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 17, 2011 1:22 PM

    It was a good run for the Lions, but this is the beginning of the implosion.
    —————————————————-

    The same was said about the bucs last week and look what they did to the saints. People need to start giving more credit to SF and stop putting excuses to the teams they beat. They are good teams and so is this niner team…

  65. raiderlyfe510 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:15 PM

    Harbaugh looked at Shwartz, like “it’s on now,mf’er.” then proceeded to put on a coaching clinic..letting the DTs shoot their gaps then sealing them while Gore ran right through them..it’s Beautiful..poetry in motion.

    But really..Schwartz thought he was the talk of the NFL..the new wiz kid..Harbaugh made him feel like a battered broken man after the game..and he couldn’t handle it. Had it not been for the refs…Frisco would have romped over Detroit.

  66. downsouth49er says: Oct 17, 2011 2:16 PM

    I noticed that while watching the game also. I’m telling you this Schwartz guy prances around the field in a manner like his team has already made it. Like they have the super bowl won already. Not to mention their fanbase who all of a sudden think they are the 12th man like in seattle. I’m so glad the 49ers shut their mouths yesterday.

  67. deedub22 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:16 PM

    Both coaches acted bad, their players are probably loving it. End of story. Let’s move on or move out!

  68. dirtyjersey9er says: Oct 17, 2011 2:16 PM

    @stanmackley

    A few questions about your assessment of Alex Smith.

    1: How does he average 1-2 picks a game when the pick Alex Smith threw yesterday was his second of the season.

    2: Not the easiest to throw for a lot of yards when you only get 20 attempts a game in a WCO. With the exception of yesterday when he has been given 30 or more passes it has been bigger games for Alex.

    3: What is brutal about the second half? Ok Baltimore and Pittsburgh are potential losses but half the games after the bye are against the NFC West. Every one wants to knock the NFC West but you apparently think 5 of 10 games being against the NFC West is brutal? And they play Washington, the Giants, and Cleveland after the bye. Those 3 teams don’t scare me as a fan of the 49ers at all.

  69. nineroutsider says: Oct 17, 2011 2:17 PM

    yaryers says: Oct 17, 2011 2:11 PM

    Someone please answer me this: Why was Jim Schwartz not penalized for doing THE EXACT SAME THING?! He threw the red flag and challenged Nate Burleson’s non-TD, and got it reversed. Shouldn’t that play have been automatically reviewed?
    ————————————————————-
    It wasn’t called a TD, so he could challenge it. All called TDs are reviewed automatically by the booth and therefore unchallengeable. That play wasn’t reviewed because it wasn’t called a TD.

  70. ninerdynasty says: Oct 17, 2011 2:17 PM

    yaryers says: Oct 17, 2011 2:11 PM

    Someone please answer me this: Why was Jim Schwartz not penalized for doing THE EXACT SAME THING?! He threw the red flag and challenged Nate Burleson’s non-TD, and got it reversed. Shouldn’t that play have been automatically reviewed?
    ———————————————-
    Because the call was a NO TD.. the coaches have the option to review. It is only when the call is a TD is when is automatically reviewed and is unchallengeable.

  71. leofan1234 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:18 PM

    yaryers says:
    Oct 17, 2011 2:11 PM
    Someone please answer me this: Why was Jim Schwartz not penalized for doing THE EXACT SAME THING?! He threw the red flag and challenged Nate Burleson’s non-TD, and got it reversed. Shouldn’t that play have been automatically reviewed?
    ====================

    no. the ruling on the field for the Pettigrew TD was eventually (after a long discussion) ruled a TD, so therefore automatically reviewed.

    The Burleson non-TD/TD was ruled incomplete on the field, therefore reviewable.

  72. nineroutsider says: Oct 17, 2011 2:19 PM

    ninerdynasty says: Oct 17, 2011 2:15 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 17, 2011 1:22 PM

    It was a good run for the Lions, but this is the beginning of the implosion.
    —————————————————-

    The same was said about the bucs last week and look what they did to the saints. People need to start giving more credit to SF and stop putting excuses to the teams they beat. They are good teams and so is this niner team…
    ———————————————————-
    Funny you should say this, my buddy is a huge Bucs fan and went to the Bucs/Niners game with me. This week he bet against his own team because “…they weren’t good enough to beat the Niners”…today he owes me $50.

  73. svcfilmguy says: Oct 17, 2011 2:20 PM

    “No one here has ever let their emotions get the best of them before? Find that hard to believe. ”

    Yes, but:

    1. Never at work, and
    2. Never in front of a national audience

    Please, don’t pretend that Schwartz’s hissy fit is in any way related to someone losing their temper in an argument. It’s silly.

  74. leofan1234 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:20 PM

    I meant challengeable not reviewable.

  75. jimboslice208 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:22 PM

    @joetoronto

    I signed up just to respond to your constant ignorant statements. Hope you enjoy watching Boller carry your Raiders to another .500 record while the 49ers will be making noise in the playoffs. You seem to comment more on Niner threads than you do Raider threads. “Nothing wrong with that if you live in Frisco…” You are either 10 yrs old or need to come out of the closet man.

    Anyways, enough of this story. Lets just enjoy the niners being 5-1 for the first time since 1998. We havent been relevant since 2002 so lets keep enjoying this ride, enjoy the bye week, and get ready for the Browns!

  76. dspohn55 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:22 PM

    I wasn’t at Ford Field but I know exactly what happened.

    Schwartz punks Harbaugh by taunting him for trying to challenge a play that’s not reviewable.

    Harbaugh hands Schwartz his first loss this year (and first since Week 13 last year).

    Harbaugh crushes Schwartz’s hand, delivers a forceful pat on his back and whispers an obscenity.

    Schwartz chases down Harbaugh but is blocked by a convoy of players and press.

  77. dublindemonszfl says: Oct 17, 2011 2:24 PM

    Schwatz is wrong, Harbaugh derserves to be happy after the biggetst win of his young career.

  78. ramanzano says: Oct 17, 2011 2:24 PM

    All I can say is that watching all the Niners games this year this is the first time Harbaugh has been THIS animated after a win. Gotta believe it had something to do with who he was coaching against and ‘giving a little back’ to Schwartz. Not what we’ve typically seen from a Head Coach, and while I hope Harbaugh handles himself with tact against most opponents I wouldn’t mind him letting loose again with the Pete Carroll’s and Jim Schwartz’s of the league.

  79. fcs34 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:28 PM

    I love the whole “I would so hit you right now if all these guys weren’t holding me back” routine on Schwartz. Hold me back bro !

    Dude you were standing right beside him with nobody around for like 10 seconds. If you were gonna be a tough guy and actually scrap that would have been the time.

  80. deedub22 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:28 PM

    I believe the Lions also took issue with the 9′ers defense allegedly calling out the Lions offensive calls.

  81. jep2224 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:34 PM

    Someone please answer me this: Why was Jim Schwartz not penalized for doing THE EXACT SAME THING?! He threw the red flag and challenged Nate Burleson’s non-TD, and got it reversed. Shouldn’t that play have been automatically reviewed?

    ——————————————————————————– 

    The rule is that if the play on the field is called a touchdown then the coaches can’t challenge because the play automatically gets reviewed. The Nate burleson play was called an incomplete pass, so there for the play could be challenged.

  82. comeonnowguys says: Oct 17, 2011 2:37 PM

    Look at that pic.

    One of the coaches trying to look the other in the eye, and the other coach is Jim Schwartz.

    And yes, he spent most of that “Hold me back! I mean it! Hold me back, bro!” chase after Harbaugh not looking Harbaugh in the eye.

  83. waxedagain says: Oct 17, 2011 2:38 PM

    “Since ESPN won’t answer that question, we’ll assume the answer is yes.”

    An ex-attorney ‘assumes’ contract language? I don’t think ESPN has any obligation to reveal the terms of its contracts with employees – especially to competitors.

  84. snowpea84 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:41 PM

    Haurbaugh made himself look pretty classless and…well, like a jerk.

  85. theysone says: Oct 17, 2011 2:43 PM

    @yaryers

    The play Harbaugh challenged was ruled a TD. The play Schwartz challenged was ruled incomplete. Only plays that are ruled a TD are reviewed by the officials (supposedly).

  86. kingmj4891 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:44 PM

    Schwartz won his players over and will end up being the better coach over their careers.

    Comment from Burleson:

    “We follow his lead,” Burleson said following the game. “He’s the leader of the team. Most teams are a direct reflection of their coach, and the way that Jim approaches each week, gameday, is the same way we are on the field. I’d rather have him high energy, ready to go in the backyard and brawl, rather than a quiet coach who doesn’t say much, doesn’t show emotion.”

  87. dougy1970 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:49 PM

    Harbaugh was lessed demonstrative after this game than Schwartz was after winning in Metrodome.

  88. ajknox88 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:49 PM

    You guys do realize that Swartz was reacting to someone swearing in his face in a condescending way right?

    Swartz might have a mouth on him, but he’s not going to blantenly disprespect someone in their face after just winning a game against him.

    I’m glad he actually reacted that way and didn’t let Harbaugh just roll over him like he tried to do. If he doesn’t react that way he’d be viewed as a push-over.

  89. theysone says: Oct 17, 2011 2:53 PM

    Why are my posts not being approved? There are no obscenities, no name calling…do the interns not understand some of the words and automatically reject this? Or is it rejected because my points contradict this article which is trying to create a stir?

    1) Schwartz said something along the lines of “learn the mf rules Harbaugh. He uses the mf often. See post game punch celebration against the vikings and the post incompletion ruling taunt of Dez Bryant of the Cowboys.

    This makes his reaction to Harbaugh, as well as his post game press conference conference complaining about Harbaugh using an obscenity (a lie fabricated by Schwartz, when it was he who shouted yet another obscenity) an absolute joke. Schwartz, you are a classless hypocrite.

    2) Harbaugh’s jumping, firm slap handshake and hug-slap on the back were not out of malice. He had no smirk on his face, didn’t laugh at Schwartz. He was pumped up over a big, 3rd straight road win over an undefeated opponent who had won 9 straight games, with a loud, amped up crowd, on a last minute 4th down td play.

  90. funkylovemonkey says: Oct 17, 2011 2:57 PM

    pacificamjr says:
    Oct 17, 2011 1:33 PM
    Harbaugh, like most of his Umich and Stanford brethren is a D-BAG of the first order! Schwartzy would have knocked him out if Harbaugh didnt run and hide!

    I hope the Lions get a playoff rematch with these clowns!

    ————————————————-

    I’m hoping for a playoff match up too. In San Francisco. Without the crowd noise.

    Let’s see how well the Lions do when the 49ers don’t give up so many yards on false start penalties. Let’s see how the Lions do when the 49ers aren’t forced to start their fourth string special teams wide receiver because of injuries.

  91. dstep24 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:03 PM

    The celebration was incredible…

    reminded me of one that Josh McDaniels performed at the 6-0 mark of his first season in Denver before getting canned only a year later…

  92. schnalls says: Oct 17, 2011 3:05 PM

    The general agreement among NFL coaches is that Harbaugh did a stupid thing with that handshake.

  93. dstep24 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:06 PM

    This is what you get when a franchise has averaged a little more than 6 wins over the last 13 years. You start thinking that the Super Bowl is played in Detroit, in October.

    Poor ‘Niners still have 10 games to spin completely out of control.

    Newsflash: QBs who can’t throw the ball more than 8 yards at a time don’t win playoff games.

  94. alaricsrevenge says: Oct 17, 2011 3:11 PM

    Schwartz was clearly flabbergasted.

  95. funkylovemonkey says: Oct 17, 2011 3:13 PM

    stanmackley says:
    Oct 17, 2011 1:32 PM
    its hard to believe that a team with a qb that consistently throws 13-28, 170 yards, 0 TD’s, and 1-2 picks a game is bound for the playoffs. sorry 49ers, the 2nd half of the season will be brutal.

    —————————————

    I would be more forgiving, but it’s just so easy to check stats I don’t think I can give you a pass on your stupidity.

    Did you just pull those numbers out of your ass?

    Alex Smith has thrown two, count them two, picks this season. I know it’s confusing, but let me explain some simple math. Since this is the sixth game, for your numbers to be right Alex Smith would have had to have thrown between 6 and 12 picks by this point. He’s thrown 2.

    Alex Smith has thrown 8 touchdowns this season, not the 0 you generously gave him.

    Finally, you say that Alex Smith is averaging a 46% completion rate. In actuality, Alex Smith has been completing 63.3% of his passes.

    I guess your post was a bit of creative license.

    Finally, the utter stupidity of saying that NOW the 49ers schedule is going to get hard is ridiculous. Their one loss this season was to a Dallas team that almost beat the Patriots and it was in overtime. Even if they lose to Baltimore and Pittsburgh (and the 49ers match up very well against Pittsburgh) they still should make the playoffs. The Cardinals and Rams are even worse this year then last if that’s possible, and they have four of their upcoming games against them .

  96. gustavejfrerotte says: Oct 17, 2011 3:18 PM

    “I can dish it out but can’t take it!

    oh yeah, well……

    I am super-geeked over a week 6 win!”

    Does anybody want to be either one of these guys in this situation?

    Too bad it is over-shadowing a great game by two solid teams.

  97. mancave001 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:24 PM

    This is awesome!

  98. momar3000 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:33 PM

    Attn: 49er’s fans

    As you should know from the Singletary days and I know well from the early Ravens days, this will not last. You can win a few games and get on a roll with a fiery coach, a great defense, and a running game. But you will not last long in the NFL with Alex Smith at QB. You should enjoy the wins and you will probably win your division by default, but don’t get too excited.

    But take heart, you have a good coach, a good D, and once you find that QB the skys the limit for a good organization like the 49er’s. Just don’t expect a nice dessert on Thanksgiving. Ravens gonna roll, John > Jim.

  99. scratchnpost1234 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:36 PM

    The play Shwartz challenged of Burlesons was ruled a no catch on the field. You CAN challenge that, you can’t challenge a TD like Harbaugh did Pettigrews TD. I’m a Lions fan in ninerland, and like both teams tho I’m a born in MI guy so Lions are my 1st team. Ugly game on both sides but that favored the Niners and their ground game. Harbaugh was a little excited about the handshake, bu Schwartz should have told Harbaugh to pound sand and kept his cool if he didn’t like it. I like both coaches, and hope both teams can keep it up and meet again in the playoffs. The media is doing the hyping AGAIN on this story and it needs to die with both coaches maybe calling each other and saying My bad.

  100. citynative says: Oct 17, 2011 3:41 PM

    @dstep24

    5 Super Bowl Rings. I don’t know who you root for, but you should pick on another organization for celebrating in October.

  101. mrplow3 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:51 PM

    “its hard to believe that a team with a qb that consistently throws 13-28, 170 yards, 0 TD’s, and 1-2 picks a game is bound for the playoffs. sorry 49ers, the 2nd half of the season will be brutal.”

    Have you even seen Alex Smith play this season? He has had zero games like you describe. He’s actually been pretty damn good. This was his worst game of the year and he threw the game winning TD in it. Not to shabby.

  102. swagger52 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:54 PM

    The story here is why was a flag given for an illegal challenge? I think I have seen Bellichek throw the challenge flag to stop play so that the refs can interpret for him what the call was. Then once he gets his interpretation, they give him back his red flag and say it can’t be challenged. What the heck is an unsportsmanlike penalty for not challenging correctly. The Refs need to be consistent. We have enough “tuck rules” where the rules are applied differently.

  103. statesenator says: Oct 17, 2011 4:05 PM

    I’m a Lions fan. And I thought it was a hell of a game between two franchises on the rise. Defensive, old school football. Too bad for me that the Niners broke our backs at the end of the game, but hey, now we know what we need to fix to make the jump from good to great (run defense, offensive line).

    Both Schwartz & Harbaugh are pretty intense dudes. I hope they both keep it up. After years of watching Rod Marinelli sit there dispassionately watching his team lose with that dumb, hangdog look on his face it’s nice to see a coach give a damn. Schwartz just has to realize that if you want to be animated on the sidelines and jaw at everyone, it’s a two way street and you can’t lose your cool when your chickens come home to roost.

    Good luck to the Niners the rest of the season. The better team won on Sunday; hopefully we’ll get a chance to prove better against you in January.

  104. arrowmint says: Oct 17, 2011 4:13 PM

    Is there something wrong with Jim Schwartz?? He seems like he has deep anger issues. Maybe he can go to a counselor? It embarrasses his team, the league.

  105. dirtyjersey9er says: Oct 17, 2011 4:22 PM

    @momar3000

    I disagree with your post. Singletary and Harbaugh are both great motivators but that is where the comparisons end.

    Harbaugh has an attention to detail that far exceeds Sing’s and you can tell he really has taken on some aspects to coaching that he learned from Bill Walsh in the years before Walsh passed. Sing wanted to just go out there and out muscle everybody and not gameplan at all which isn’t a good sign. Singletary would never do second half adjustments and that led to a lot of games being lost in the second half.

    As for the QB issue the Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. There are no real complaints about Alex this season. His turnovers are rare and he stepped up when needed. He might not get 300-400 yards passing a game but he has been very clutch.

  106. vikefan says: Oct 17, 2011 4:22 PM

    both of these coaches have attitudes, schwartz has been doing this all season after his wins & he completely deserved what he got, if u cant take the heat, get out…..what comes around, goes around, nice to see someone put schwartz in his place

  107. dwhitehurst says: Oct 17, 2011 4:23 PM

    If Harbaugh gets fined for being “insensitive”, then if I’m a head coach in the NFL, I would refuse to shake hands with the opposing head coach at all after the game. I mean, you could potentially get fined if the opposing head coach accuses you of “not looking at him”, “looking at him the wrong way”, or “shaking his hand too hard” or “not shaking his hand long enough”, or, like the most ludicrous charge Schwartz makes, namely, “of shoving him out of the way” in what was clearly Harbaugh simply patting him on the back. (The tape doesn’t lie)

    Harbaugh could have toned it down in the handshake no doubt, but Schwartz came off as a sore losin’ whiney sissy lapdog in the way he responded.

  108. 420hippy says: Oct 17, 2011 4:24 PM

    i remeber hue jackson tried to challenege a touchdowb too

  109. Deb says: Oct 17, 2011 4:42 PM

    Yeah, this stuff is good theater, I’ll give you that.

    I agree with swagger52–the bigger question is why Harbaugh received an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Carey should have just told him that play can’t be challenged. Was that penalty was legit? It wouldn’t be the first time Carey has misstated the rules. The whole Red Zone review has been a debacle.

    Schwartz’s reaction to the penalty was kindergarten, but he didn’t do it in Harbaugh’s face. Originally, I felt Harbaugh was more to blame for the end-of-game incident, but now I just think they both acted like jerks.

  110. td40 says: Oct 17, 2011 4:55 PM

    Plain and simple: Scwartz is a demonstrative, emotional guy. When the Lions pull off a big play or come from behind to win a game, Schwartz is the one fist-pumping, jumping up and down, high-fiving and slapping backs. I’ve seen it a million times.

    That said, Harbaugh’s “lowly” 49ers team came from behind and won a huge game over an undefeated team. Harbaugh was pumped up and excited just like he should have been and he let Schwartz know it. But after five games of winning and having everyone and their mothers swelling Schwartz and the Lions’ heads with all the premature coronations, Schwartz figures all that high-fiving and back slapping is HIS job and HIS right and he *really* hated seeing Harbaugh do it while ol’ Jimmy boy was on the other end for the first time this year. And boy did THAT piss him off.

    Sore loser.

  111. mogogo1 says: Oct 17, 2011 5:02 PM

    Coaches should obviously know the rules, but a 15-yard penalty for challenging a scoring play seems odd given that nobody gets hurt if a coach does that. Challenging some other play that isn’t reviewable delays the game, but since they’re already reviewing a scoring play, there’s no harm at all if the coach throws his challenge flag onto the field.

    And since they can’t challenge scoring plays, does that mean coaches can’t give refs any input regarding the review? That doesn’t seem smart or fair if that’s the case. I seem to remember a couple years ago where a coach tried to challenge the same call twice because they hadn’t looked at the part of the play he wanted them to. If they’re reviewing the play, they should get any special input a coach has regarding the play.

  112. goldrush36 says: Oct 17, 2011 5:38 PM

    Wonder how many of you pinheads have looked at the passer ratings this year as you continue to laugh at how the 49ers can’t make the post season with Alex Smith. He came into this week with the 3rd highest rating in the league. Is he Brady, no but I take him over Sanchez and some of the other overhyped chumps any day. I also wonder how many of you are fans of teams sitting at 2-3 or worse at the moment…

  113. madisonave99 says: Oct 17, 2011 6:14 PM

    Why should Harbaugh not have sprinted across the field in excitement that his team won?? I’ve seen EVERY head coach in the NFL do that after a big win, which this was. From the more hefty individuals like Rex Ryan to the usually reserved ones like Belichick. Harbaugh shook his hand and slapped Schwartz on the back, i’ve seen coaches do that hundreds of times after a game without incident. Now, because Schwartz wants to.be a sore loser and start some kinda playground scruff with Harbaugh, Jim H. is being made out to be the bad guy–despite the clearly reprehensible behavior being shown by Schwartz

  114. dstep24 says: Oct 17, 2011 6:26 PM

    Actually, Mark Sanchez doesn’t consistently throw balls high, and he doesn’t live on dump-offs. He also doesn’t have the running game to carry him, like Smith does with Gore. Stats paint a picture, but not the whole picture. How about watching a game and seeing with your eyes how horrendous a QB Alex Smith is? The NFL is not a computer game. It’s real live action, and over-complicating it by referring solely to stats is irresponsible. Alex Smith is the same QB he was last season and all seasons before. He’s terribly inaccurate on anything past 8 yards, and poise is the word that least describes his pocket presence. He’s horrible. Now, just hope that the secondary’s current mirage isn’t exposed anytime soon, because they’ve been miraculously getting by with a pretty bad group back there. This will tumble…soon.

  115. travisblink619 says: Oct 17, 2011 9:07 PM

    All I have to say is the Niners defense overcame with fewer passing yards than penalty yards, two turnovers, and a noise level comparable to Seattle. I’m done with the Harbaugh/Schwartz news, but you gotta give credit where its due. Go Niners!!!!

  116. dwhitehurst says: Oct 17, 2011 10:09 PM

    dstep24 says:
    Oct 17, 2011 6:26 PM
    Actually, Mark Sanchez doesn’t consistently throw balls high, and he doesn’t live on dump-offs. He also doesn’t have the running game to carry him…
    —–
    Oh, and, Aaron Rodgers DOES have a running game to carry him? Dude….

  117. funkylovemonkey says: Oct 18, 2011 3:26 AM

    dstep24 says:
    Oct 17, 2011 6:26 PM
    Actually, Mark Sanchez doesn’t consistently throw balls high, and he doesn’t live on dump-offs. He also doesn’t have the running game to carry him, like Smith does with Gore. Stats paint a picture, but not the whole picture. How about watching a game and seeing with your eyes how horrendous a QB Alex Smith is? The NFL is not a computer game. It’s real live action, and over-complicating it by referring solely to stats is irresponsible. Alex Smith is the same QB he was last season and all seasons before. He’s terribly inaccurate on anything past 8 yards, and poise is the word that least describes his pocket presence. He’s horrible. Now, just hope that the secondary’s current mirage isn’t exposed anytime soon, because they’ve been miraculously getting by with a pretty bad group back there. This will tumble…soon.

    ——————————————–

    C’mon man.

    So you want me to ignore unbiased measures instead trust your broad and sweeping statements like “He’s horrible”?

    I’ve watched the games, and I respectfully disagree. Alex Smith has shown plenty of poise, throwing some great passes to beat the blitz and take apart the coverage, especially in the Tampa and the Eagles game. I’ve seen him take a fumbled ball, pick it up, run around to give his receivers some time, and throw a touchdown pass. I’ve seen him protect the ball and not make many stupid decisions.

    I think it’s funny how you say that bringing stats into it is “irresponsible.” I imagine it’s only irresponsible when the stats don’t agree with the point you’re trying to make.

    I don’t think anyone is claiming that Alex Smith is an elite Quarterback. But he’s performed well, not made mistakes, and done what was asked of him. Part of the reason his yards per throw are simply average is because that’s how the plays are designed. They’re designed to get the ball out of Smith’s hands quickly. It’s true that Harbaugh hasn’t called many deep plays. Partly that’s because they’re higher risk for any quarterback (and perhaps a weakness of Alex Smith’s) and partly that’s because the 49ers don’t really have a Wide Receiver corps that’s can stretch the field. Neither Crabtree or Morgan are going to do that for you, and Ginn, while fast, doesn’t have the hands to catch the deep ball. He struggles, as we saw in the last game, on short routes. He’s on the team for his special teams ability and that’s all, and if Edwards and Morgan both weren’t injured in the last game he would have rarely seen the field if at all.

    I think you need to watch the games. The 49ers are a run first offense. As it should be. Gore has regained form after a few weak games and Hunter looks to be a possibly rising star. Together they have been tearing apart teams.

    I know you don’t believe stats are worthwhile, but here are some to consider anyway. The biggest weakness with Alex Smith if you look at the numbers is his yards per attempt. But consider this, Tom Brady in 2002 had only a pedestrian 6.26 yards per pass. In 2003 it was 6.87. Partly that was because the Patriots lacked the players to stretch the field, so Belichick stuck with shorter higher percentage passes.

    Oh, and the Patriots won the superbowl in 2003.

    Alex Smith’s yards per pass sits at 6.9.

    Finally, you can keep on hoping that the 49ers defense is going to collapse, but they have only gotten better all season long and are likely to continue to get better. Is the secondary weaker then the run defense? Yes, but then again I would argue the 49ers have one of the most dominating run defenses in the league. They’re ranked #2 in the league for yards per game, but I know you don’t believe in statistics so I guess that doesn’t mean anything to you. It’s more important that you “feel” like the defense is a sham and going to fall apart, numbers be damned.

  118. electstat says: Oct 18, 2011 9:28 AM

    The linemen can’t hear the QB because it’s so loud but suddenly the couches can hear each other from the other side of the stadium? Right.

  119. dstep24 says: Oct 18, 2011 1:17 PM

    @funkylovemonkey

    Dude…you didn’t read my post. I didn’t say stats don’t matter…pretty much throw out your entire response, because you were responding to language that I didn’t use.

    Keep believin’ in Alex Smith and see where it gets ya. By all means…be my guest.

    I was actually pulling for SF to win that game, so I have no reason to be hyper-critical of the team. I think the front 7 is the best in the league, but I’m also a realist about the fact that you need a really good QB to win in this league and SF doesn’t have one.

    I said you can’t rely SOLELY on stats. Not that stats don’t matter. Re-read.

  120. travisblink619 says: Oct 18, 2011 1:46 PM

    At this point in time, Alex Smith is doing what is asked of him and doing it well. I wont call him an elite quarterback, and he may never receive that title, but he is doing a good enough job to win. With the way the team is playing, Alex is playing well enough to do the trick. Harbaugh understands the concept of coaching to a player’s strengths. Good stats, bad stats or otherwise, the 49ers are winning, plain and simple, and against teams that everyone assumed would roll right over them. Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were both proof that you don’t need elite QB play to win a super bowl. Flacco and Sanchez are proof you don’t need a good QB to be perennial playoff contenders.

  121. jason9696 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:18 PM

    You 49ers fans really make me laugh. With their 5-1 record you’d think you were back in the Montana or Young era. You’re just lucky that you’re in the worst division in all of football. That’s the only chance you guys have.

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