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Every week, the NFL gives us something rare or unprecedented.  On Sunday, the post-game altercation between 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh and Lions coach Jim Schwartz was unprecedented.

But now that something like that has happened, will it happen again?  The league’s reaction could go a long way toward deciding that.

Before going much farther with this, let’s shift from introduction to topic No. 1 in our 10-item look at the Sunday that was.

1.  Where have you gone, Tom Landry?

Not that long ago, all coaches exuded a sense of dignity toward the game and respect toward each other.  From Tom Landry to Chuck Noll to Bud Grant to John Madden to Don Shula, coaches didn’t treat each other like opponents in the main event of the next pro wrestling pay-per-view.  Even when Buddy Ryan was coaching, he was the lone exception — perhaps along with Jimmy Johnson, the man who succeeded Landry in Dallas.

One G.M. who requested anonymity blamed Sunday’s scrum between Harbaugh and Schwartz on Buddy’s son, Rex Ryan, who has introduced a new era of big talking NFL coaches.  From Rex to Josh McDaniels to Todd Haley to Jim Harbaugh to Jim Schwartz, more and more coaches are displaying confidence — and emotion — both in their words and in their actions.

It never became truly physical until Sunday, with Harbaugh exuberantly shoving Schwartz in the back and then Schwartz bumping Harbaugh.  Given that the NFL liberally metes out discipline against players who misbehave, the league shouldn’t hesitate to make an example out of Harbaugh, who unwittingly started the problem by not dialing down the celebration when shaking Schwartz’s hand, and Schwartz, who deliberately finished it by chasing Harbaugh down and bumping him.  Given that the example set by the NFL trickles down to all other levels of the sport, the league needs to make a strong statement that coaches who act like overgrown kindergartners will be dealt with swiftly and severely.

We personally like Harbaugh and Schwartz.  But we don’t like what they did today.  And we think that the league needs to quit talking about holding coaches to a higher standard and start actually holding them to a higher standard.  If the league doesn’t, the bar will keep sinking lower and lower.

2.  Niners could be in line for 12 or 13 wins.

Far more amazing than the 49ers’ 5-1 record is the fact that they’ve compiled that mark against a schedule that has included only one NFC West foe — and three games in the Eastern part of the country.

When the Niners emerge from their bye, they’ll face a slate of game that includes two against the 0-5 Rams, two against the 1-4 Cardinals, one against the 2-3 Seahawks, and contests against the Browns, Redskins, Giants, Ravens, and Steelers.

A 7-3 record in those 10 games translates to a 12-4 finish.  Based on how the 49ers have played so far, they could win eight or even nine of their next 10 games.  Which would virtually guarantee the No. 2 seed, at a minimum, in the NFC playoff field.

3.  League needs to investigate Vick’s “injury”.

In the third quarter of Sunday’s win over the Redskins, Eagles quarterback Mike Vick took off running with the ball.  He absorbed a helmet-to-helmet hit, before his head hit the ground.

Vick was motionless for a few seconds.  When he got to his feet, with clumps of sod in the top of his face mask, a la Kevin Kolb in Week One of the 2010 season, Vick seemed a little groggy and disoriented.  He eventually left the playing field, and Vince Young entered the game.

After Young threw an ugly interception on his first attempt, Vick suddenly was healed.

FOX’s Laura Okmin reported the team’s official position — Vick had the dreaded football condition known as dirt on his face (even though Vick uses a visor).  Eagles spokesman Derek Boyko separately told PFT via e-mail that Vick also had the wind knocked out of him.

Sorry, but we think someone is throwing something other than dirt in our faces on this one.  Given that Vick would have been prevented from returning to a game that the Eagles desperately needed to win at a time when the game was still in the balance, it’s hard not to be suspicious.

The league should be suspicious, too.  And the league needs to institute procedures to ensure that, whenever a player leaves a game with “dirt on his face” or the wind knocked out of him or whatever cockamamie excuse a team may offer when the video suggests a possible concussion, there will be no doubt or suspicion about the player’s condition if/when he re-enters the game.

4.  League finally gets it right with Burleson call.

Too many times over the past few years, catches in the end zone that appeared to be touchdowns ultimately were ruled not to be catches due to application of a rule that initially was intended to include within the definition of a catch those situations in which the ball touches the ground.  Setting aside for now the wisdom of ever treating a catch as a catch when the ball makes contact with anything other than the player, the officials and the league office have had a hard time with this rule when the catch is made — or not made — in the end zone.

From plays involving Louis Murphy to Dante Rosario to Mike Sims-Walker to Lance Moore in Super Bowl XLV to Calvin Johnson to various other examples, the application of the rule has at times defied common sense and/or the language of the rulebook.  The problem arises when the receiver is going to the ground.  In such situations, the receiver must maintain possession through the act of falling.  But when the act of falling includes breaking the plane of the goal line, the NFL has ruled at times (mistakenly, in our view) that the play ended as soon as the ball passed into the front of the end zone.

This year, the league has emphasized the element of time, treating such plays as valid receptions if the receiver who, while going to the ground, had enough time to make a football move, regardless of whether a football move is actually made.  Fittingly, the NFL got it right not once but twice for the Lions on Sunday, via touchdown receptions made by tight end Brandon Pettigrew, who lost the ball only after clearly being on the ground, and by receiver Nate Burleson, who caught the ball and stumbled toward the turf and, in eerie similarity to the Calvin Johnson play from a year ago, lost possession of the ball when the ball struck the ground while in his hand.

During Football Night in America, the Johnson play from 2010 and the Burleson play from 2011 were shown side by side.  Both looked like touchdowns.  The fact that the more recent one was correctly ruled to be a touchdown shows that there’s hope that the league has finally figured out how to make the ruling mesh with the expectations of the average fan watching a game.

5.  It’s Beck time in D.C.

The Shanahans supposedly love John Beck.  Now that the guy who beat out Beck has landed on the bench during Sunday’s loss to the Eagles, it’s time to see what Beck can do.

Coach Mike Shanahan said he’ll make a decision on Wednesday.  It would be shocking if the decision is anything other than Beck starting.

Grossman has had his chance.  He played better than anyone thought he would play.  But as we said back in early September, the guy who wins that job merely wins the right to lose it first.  Grossman has lost it, and now we’ll see whether Beck can keep it.

If he’s as good as the Shanahans say he is, he will.

6.  The trade deadline comes too early.

The NFL’s trade deadline falls roughly one third of the way into the regular season, far earlier than the corresponding date for the other major league sports.  As a result, not many trades happen.

They don’t happen because teams aren’t ready to fold their tents after only six weeks, which for a dozen teams this year means only five games.  There’s simply too much time left in the season to justify a fire sale, if the team hopes to keep its fan base engaged (i.e., paying for tickets and/or watching on TV).

And that’s precisely why the trade deadline comes when it does.  If it landed a month from now, some teams would dump salaries and/or unload looming free agents they have no hope of keeping, sending a clear message to the fan base not to bother with rooting — and giving contending teams a chance to fatten up their rosters in the hopes of partially mortgaging their futures for a Super Bowl run.

7.  It’s the Packers, a gap, and everyone else.

One thing we know through six weeks of the season is that the Packers are, without question, the best team in the league.  They continue to look like the team that found its groove in the 2010 postseason, and it now seems highly likely that, barring an injury to Aaron Rodgers, they’ll be the top seed in the NFC.

Which mean that the road to Indy will wind through Lambeau Field.

Which means that the Packers could end up doing what no Packers team has done since the first two Super Bowls — winning back-to-back titles.

Given the way this team is playing, it’s not too early to start wondering whether the Packers could be the first team to win three straight Super Bowls.

8.  Unlucky Texans still have a lucky draw in their division.

In coach Gary Kubiak’s make-or-break season, the Texans can’t catch a break.  Linebacker Mario Williams is gone for the year.  Receiver Andre Johnson is gone until further notice.  They drew the Saints on the fifth anniversary of the reopening of the Superdome, the Raiders the day after Al Davis died.

On Sunday, Houston had to go to Baltimore to face a rested Ravens teams.

Next Sunday, the Texans go to Tennessee, to play a Titans team that is also coming off a bye week.  Still, the Texans have to contend only with the Titans in the AFC South; the Jaguars and the Colts have a combined record of 1-11.

Though it would be ironic if the team that used to be in Houston keeps the team currently in Houston out of the postseason, the 3-3 Texans remain in great shape to win their first division title.

If they can take care of the Titans.

9.  We’ll learn a lot about the Bengals soon.

Through six games, the Bengals have beaten the 2-3 Browns, the 4-2 Bills, the 1-5 Jaguars, and the 0-6 Colts.  Cincinnati has lost to the 5-1 49ers and the 1-4 Broncos.

It’s still too early to tell whether the Bengals are for real.  After their bye, we’ll get an idea.

The Bengals go to Seattle and Tennessee before facing in consecutive weeks the Steelers and Ravens.  Then, the Bengals play the Browns, the Steelers again, and the Texans.

Those seven games will let us all know whether the first six games were a fluke.

10.  Pryor suspension hurts the Raiders.

With starting quarterback Jason Campbell gone, perhaps for the rest of the season, with a broken collarbone, the Raiders need help.  They reportedly want Carson Palmer.

They possibly wouldn’t need Palmer, or any other veteran quarterback, if the league hadn’t suspended rookie Terrelle Pryor five games to start the season.

If Pryor, who arrived late in the preseason after the league dragged its feet on the scheduling of the supplemental draft, had been able to practice for the first five weeks of the season, Pryor could be ready to play.  Given what Cam Newton and Andy Dalton have been able to accomplish as rookies, there’s no reason to think Pryor isn’t the real thing — or that he wouldn’t be ready if he had been able to prepare during weeks that he otherwise was frozen out.

If the Raiders can’t get Palmer or sign another veteran, they should try to get Pryor ready sooner.  If, as Jon Gruden supposedly believes, Pryor has a higher upside than Cam Newton, it makes sense to start finding out what that upside is.

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72 Responses to “Week Six Monday 10-pack”
  1. axespray says: Oct 17, 2011 2:10 AM

    I learned that Sam Bradford is gonna be scary once he has a person that can run routes/catch/putdateamonhisback/etc.

    Ponder looked good…Makes me kinda feel sorry for McNabb if it’s over, but the Dude has family & friends that are proud of what he accomplished in his career, I mean… how many people can say, “Hey, I know a guy that does soup commercials or Hey my dad converted 4th & 26 in a playoff game, or Hey my son had a heck of an NFL career!”

  2. mistersmith22 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:18 AM

    Some serious nonsense in here…

    – The Packers are playing better than anyone else, true…but like most other teams, they’re one hard sack away from a QB injury that effectively ends the season. Three straight? Come ON. Few things are harder than winning a Super Bowl…and you want to discuss two more, straight?

    – We don’t know who the Bengals are because they beet some bad teams and a good team. But it’s prescient to say we’ll know who they are after a break, two awful teams, four okay teams, and a good team? What an observation. To say that you can ID a team after most of the season is done, and with a wide sampling of evidence, is like saying you know what the weather will be like after you’ve stepped outside and lifted your face to the sky.

  3. bluemist says: Oct 17, 2011 2:22 AM

    It is a bit of a leap to equate “big talking” with the physical confrontation on the field between Harbaugh and Schwartz.

    No doubt about it, Rex Ryan has a big mouth, but I really can’t picture him acting like either of these two buffoons did today.

  4. dannymac17 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:28 AM

    What that “upside” is = Wide Receiver

    Call Rich Gannon ASAP.

  5. purpwalk says: Oct 17, 2011 2:31 AM

    but, who’s ahead in the ‘suck for luck’ contest?

    i guess ya gotta wait for monday’s game, but the vikings did a pretty good job of sucking

    at least deserves a mention, dontcha think?

  6. walkedintoabar says: Oct 17, 2011 2:33 AM

    Packers are good, but you’re clearly getting sloppy with this whole “not too early to wonder if the pack win 3 superbowls” garbage.

    and for number 6, i dont really get what you’re trying to say. you write the deadline comes too early but then give a bunch of reasons why the deadline as it is now works, its confusing

  7. lottsmissingfinger says: Oct 17, 2011 2:35 AM

    Calling Harbaugh’s too exuberant pat on the back a “shove” is simply ridiculous. Considering Schwartz’s behavior after wins and toward opposing players makes his crying foul even more so. All in all, it’s a shame that this will overshadow what was a very good game.

  8. fancyleague says: Oct 17, 2011 2:38 AM

    Tom Landry is in Pittsburgh at the moment. The fedora has been replaced by a puffy coat.

  9. rhiannon42 says: Oct 17, 2011 2:39 AM

    So Buddy Ryan and Jimmy Johnson get passes for their coachely transgressions because they coached a generation ago. But Harbaugh and Schwartz can scrap into the tunnel, and the junior Ryans can jaw til the cows come home, and that’s an affront to Landry’s memory – because they were born after 1970.

  10. o0omorriso0o says: Oct 17, 2011 2:46 AM

    Seriously the problem with you guys and the media is you guess around to omuch. Maybe Vick did have Vick in his face and it could of gone under the visor like he said in his press conferance. Quit making stuff outta nothing. Dont say crap unless you have the facts you idiot. And lets hold off on the SB talk about Green Bay. Its about how good you play going in to the playoffs. NOT NOW. Remember the pats losing in the SB against the giants or the seahawks beating the saints last year? ETc… Lets hold off we dont know jack yet

  11. oldbloodstegosaurus says: Oct 17, 2011 2:47 AM

    It’s easy to make the coaching spat bigger than it is. I’m sure it’s good for the locker rooms of both teams though. I’m a niner fan and I thought it was cool. The core players for the niners have been together for a while and I don’t expect them to take any games off. 13-3 sounds legit. Ravens-Niners, Harbaugh Bowl will be a big game. If Alex Smith even makes the playoffs, that’s redemption, I’m rooting for him he’s always had the right attitude.

    And “Given the way this team is playing, it’s not too early to start wondering whether the Packers could be the first team to win three straight Super Bowls.” A hypothetical game 17 months away? Too early… It’s only like a third through this season, c’mon man!

  12. trbowman says: Oct 17, 2011 2:48 AM

    Even if Pryor weren’t suspended, he wouldn’t help the Raiders. He’s not an NFL quarterback.

  13. buzzbissinger says: Oct 17, 2011 2:50 AM

    Man, is it just me or is everyone making a big deal about this whole Harbaugh-Schwartz thing?

  14. twardyyy says: Oct 17, 2011 2:57 AM

    I would love to see what Terrelle Pryor could do…and watch him crash and burn in the process. I honestly don’t think that he will be a great QB in this league.

    And the Bengals will probably end up fading down the stretch. There’s no way that they will be able to make the playoffs with so many solid teams in the AFC..and with the Ravens and Steelers in their division.

    The 49ers will also probably fade down the stretch. They’ll win the division but they’ll probably go 9-7 or so. Definitely won’t win 12 or 13 games with Alex Smith at the helm. But we will see in about 10-11 weeks..

  15. raideralex99 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:00 AM

    When ever happened to that story that Andy Dalton is the worst starting QB in the NFL.

  16. freedomispopular says: Oct 17, 2011 3:26 AM

    I haven’t watched any of the aftermath, so I have no idea what actually happened, but it really looked to me like Harbaugh just enthusiastically patted him on the back.

  17. 1fast84 says: Oct 17, 2011 3:30 AM

    #10
    If Mike brown doesn’t trade palmer to the raiders it will show everyone how he cares so much more about himself than the team/fans

  18. 4t9er says: Oct 17, 2011 4:08 AM

    Jim Harbaugh was extra exuberant and celebratory, but Schwartz just lost his mind .

  19. discosucs2005 says: Oct 17, 2011 4:14 AM

    When Shula and Landry coached, there was no obligatory handshake after every game. the whole concept of a handshake is ridiculous. If the coaches are friends, and want to talk, go for it. But if they don’t have any interest in shaking the other coaches hand, why insist that they go through this dog and pony show? Doing that disingenuous dance in at the 50 yard line after every game doesn’t automatically make you a good sport.

  20. benwantsababyruth says: Oct 17, 2011 4:53 AM

    Schwartz was way outta line. His comments after were pretty hypocritical for a coach who is constantly fist pumping like a lunatic, taunting opposing players, and cussing out officials. I agree that harbaugh shoulda handled the situation differently and showed a little too much excitement over the win. But Schwartz is more st fault for not being able to handle his team’s first loss of the season

  21. ee00ee says: Oct 17, 2011 4:55 AM

    10: If Pryor hadn’t been a dolt and knowingly broken the NCAA rules things would have gone a lot better for him, and others, on many levels. It’s important the NFL draws a line in the sand you can’t avoid NCAA punishments by jumping ship like this.

    6: no doubt! that’s an excellent take on the situation and also reason why it wont change :/

    3: it’s why there needs to be the equivalent of a ring doctor for each game to administer the concussion tests. It seems obvious some teams aren’t integritous to self regulate.

    2: that would be something! I doubt it will happen but it sure could. It’s funny hearing SF fans singing Smith’s praises now after the McNabbesque abuse they laid on him.

    1: agreed! It was an over the top mental lapse by Schwartz to react as he did. If he ever has to talk about a player not having composure, such as he had to with Cherilus just a few weeks ago, everyone will rightly remember this rage fit.

  22. toledoohoh says: Oct 17, 2011 4:58 AM

    7) Maybe calm down a bit; they just beat a winless team at home.

    Pack looking great, but they’re not exactly rolling through a killer schedule. @San Diego in week 9 is probably their 2nd of only 2 real tests on their entire schedule. Being 6-0 against opponents with a combined record of 12-22 is good, but good enough to have them winning this Superbowl AND next year’s? Calm down.

  23. eigglesnosuperbowls says: Oct 17, 2011 6:28 AM

    One coach was happy he won the other was mad he lost lets not make a big deal about this !

  24. jtm18113 says: Oct 17, 2011 6:31 AM

    One G.M. who requested anonymity blamed Sunday’s scrum between Harbaugh and Schwartz on Buddy’s son, Rex Ryan,

    I seem to recall Bum Phillips was a bit of an attention grabber as well.

    But it really took to higher levels when that jag-off Jerry Glanville became a head coach.

  25. poopstinx says: Oct 17, 2011 6:50 AM

    There’s no question that Vick was concussed yesterday. As soon as Vick stood up (after Landry’s hit) London Fletcher and several of Vick’s teammates actually had to hold him up to keep him from falling over due to the fact that he was so groggy and out of it.

    The Eagles needed that win and they got it. But after four Grossman INTs and a lackluster Redskins’s offensive performance, you’d think Philly would have won by more than 7….

  26. sbs0311 says: Oct 17, 2011 6:53 AM

    So let me get this straight:

    We have Rex Ryan, a loudmouth coach who always talks up himself and his team but rarely gets personal and combative with anyone specific.

    We then have Jim Schwartz who mixes it up with anyone and is always looking to pick a fight.

    So, Schwartz takes exception to Harbaugh’s pat/smack on Schwart’z back, and this is Rex Ryan’s fault?

    My guess is that “G.M.” is someone like AJ Smith or another child who has sour grapes over a loss. Pathetic.

  27. botchedextrapoint says: Oct 17, 2011 6:59 AM

    The Harbaugh/Schwartz thing made the 6 pm news in Australia. The NFL is never on the news except for the Super Bowl.

  28. scudbot says: Oct 17, 2011 7:08 AM

    “And we think that the league needs to quit talking about holding coaches to a higher standard and start actually holding them to a higher standard. ”

    They could start by getting rid of the on-camera post-game coaches handshake requirement that never used to be there.

  29. kleppnasty says: Oct 17, 2011 7:12 AM

    Again with the “shove”? It was a pat on the back, and half a bro hug, it was not a shove.

  30. therhino44 says: Oct 17, 2011 7:27 AM

    Harbaugh did not shove Schwartz in the back as an act of aggression. Yes, he could if hid his joy for a few seconds and shook his hand. However, if Schwartz didn’t go “ghetto” and chase Harbaugh down the field like a maniac there would be no story here. Stop being so sensitive Jim. This is the NFL. There should be no involvement of the league.

  31. woodyg says: Oct 17, 2011 7:27 AM

    Going into season 2011, it’s always been the Pack & the ‘other 31′ ……… The Pack aren’t rolling yet but look for them to reach a peak just before play-offs ……. It’s incredible that the defending SB Champs may also be the most improved team from last season ……

    NFL Fans ….. Get used to it ……. It’s not the ’60s but it’s going to feel like it for the next several years …….

  32. Sam Von Schamm says: Oct 17, 2011 7:32 AM

    The Bengals are not for real…they’re just better than they were last year.

  33. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Oct 17, 2011 7:52 AM

    “Given the way this team is playing, it’s not too early to start wondering whether the Packers could be the first team to win three straight Super Bowls.”

    Shouldn’t the Packers win their second straight Super Bowl BEFORE the topic of their third straight Super Bowl is even broached?

  34. ajsjohnson says: Oct 17, 2011 8:00 AM

    Are you serious? Harbaugh “shoved” Schwartz? I have seen this clip dozens of times, and every time what i see is a super excited Harbaugh vigorously shake Schwartz’s hand and pat him forcefully on the back–but in an amicable way. His face shows no sign of venom or malice at all. It seems to me that Schwartz was stinging from the loss and wanted to punch Harbaugh for beating him–he was the one manufacturing a reason to start a fistfight (which, btw, he most likely would have lost).

  35. oumoonunit says: Oct 17, 2011 8:00 AM

    The trade deadline is fine where it is. I do not want teams to be able to dump all of their mediocre players they can’t sign next season, or win with, to teams that are going for deep playoff runs. Teams should already know if they are going to suck so bad that it is not worth havin gtheir good players. In season trades are rarely beneficial anyways.

  36. shalamadingdong says: Oct 17, 2011 8:07 AM

    The call for the investigation on the Eagles is absolutely correct.

    This started in the Giants game where – after miraculously being cleared to play – Vick sustained his 2nd concussion in as many weeks. The Eagles used the “broken” hand ruse to give them an excuse to sit him for the rest of the game and limit the attention of the league when it was clear he couldn’t play with his head rattled. Why couldn’t Andy Reid remember if he saw the x-ray when the hand was mistakenly declared “broken”? Because there was never one taken. Vick was rushed back out onto the field after the Giants drive stalled quickly – before an x-ray could be taken.

    As you could tell after the hit from Chris Canty….Vick’s hand must have really been hurting. So much so that it joined his other hand in grabbing his helmet in obvious pain from having his head throttled again.

  37. truthserum4u says: Oct 17, 2011 8:12 AM

    It was a “good game” slap on the back, not a push. You can see Harbaug’s mouth has he runs up to Schwartz; there was no profanity. However, you can read Scwartz’s lips immediately after and tell what profanity was coming out of his mouth.

    Agree on Vick, sure looked like more than what they claimed.

    At no point did Burleson ever go to the ground during that catch. He took 5 steps, turned, lost his balance and put his hands to the ground to prevent himself from going down. A ball carrier who puts his hands on the ground isn’t considered on the ground, so how could it be in this case? Calvin Johnson actually went down to the turf for his catch (still think he put it on the ground as he got up) making it two different situations.

  38. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Oct 17, 2011 8:33 AM

    From my perspective, the trade deadline can’t come soon enough. When the topic of Chad Ochocinco to New England was first raised with Marvin Lewis, he reportedly laughed and replied, “Belichick’s smarter than that.”

    How many catches did Ochocinco have in yesterday’s game? Six weeks into the regular season, how many TD receptions has Chad had? Aren’t the answers “none” and “zero,” respectively?

    Chad is a likeable guy, but it’s time to pull the plug. This time, the “Hoodie” hoodwinked himself, and it cost New England a $4.75MM signing bonus and a fifth-rounder. Belichick should be smart enough to cut his loss and move on by tomorrow, the trade deadline.

  39. CKL says: Oct 17, 2011 8:37 AM

    Jerry Glanville and Buddy himself were pretty big talking dbags… long before Rex was in the NFL. That GM must be a n00b.

  40. steelerdynasty2010 says: Oct 17, 2011 8:39 AM

    10. ???? did i just read that right? did you guys just try to compare dalton and newton to TERELLE PRYOR!?!?!? are you serious? Pryor’s not gonna be ready in 5 years, let alone 5 weeks.

  41. bleedgreen says: Oct 17, 2011 8:43 AM

    And yet, Vick came back in, played fine, didn’t fall over, throw the ball to the wrong team, or run the wrong way. His helmet was NOT hit. He was it in the shoulder, and his head didn’t hit the ground very hard as much as it was slid across the ground (hence the dirt and grass in the facemask). Maybe… just MAYBE, there was dirt smears on the visor that needed to be cleaned off and the visor needed to be removed for it? Or maybe he really DID just need to catch his breath. Watch the replay again. No helmet to helmet.

  42. thebigkahuna23 says: Oct 17, 2011 9:01 AM

    Rex Grossman starting was just his say of execution. There was going to be a game in which he threw at least 3 pics and got himself benches. Aside from the first few dust of throws beck didn’t look that bad. Barring something spectacular from him, we’ll still be looking for a quarterback in the offseason anyways.

  43. pjhurley5 says: Oct 17, 2011 9:05 AM

    I agree with bleedgreen…Vick showed absolutely no concussion symptoms after coming back in. I think if you’re really that suspicious about all of this stuff, you need to put a person from the league office on every medical team for each team to investigate concussions…otherwise you’ll just never know…

    Also, the fact that Vick has a visor on the top half of his face mask doesn’t stop dirt from flying up into his face through the other parts, does it? I don’t think it’s that far-fetched to imagine that happening when you’re skidding with your face mask on the ground. However, I totally understand your completely irrational need to take digs at the Eagles every time you write about them….oh wait…I think I was missing a “don’t” in that statement. Use some logic please.

  44. jrmbadger says: Oct 17, 2011 9:12 AM

    If Vick did get a concussion, isn’t that his third this year? Shouldn’t people be thinking about shutting him down for his long term health?

  45. tinkletinkleonyourstar says: Oct 17, 2011 9:15 AM

    not being a fan of either team, here is my unbiased and unsolicited two cents.
    schwartz is a sore loser.
    the worst thing that can be said about harbaugh is maybe he was a little zealous in his handshake.
    he did absolutely nothing that warranted schwartz to come after him like that.

    as billy the kid once said…”take your medicine son”

  46. joshuavkidd says: Oct 17, 2011 9:15 AM

    This is what the NFL has become??? Lets make sure we take the player out of the game because he may or may not have hit his head? Seriously? And we can now diagnose a concussion based on the television coverage??? This is why the game is the way it is now. 15 yard flag every 5 minutes because a QB gets his pants dirty or god forbide a WR gets smacked by a safety. Congrats to all of you for slowly but surely turning the game into an intramural sport.

  47. clayswife says: Oct 17, 2011 9:15 AM

    7. It’s the Packers, a gap, and everyone else.

    _________________________________

    Don’t jinx us!

  48. tatum064 says: Oct 17, 2011 9:18 AM

    steelerdynasty2010 says:
    Oct 17, 2011 8:39 AM
    10. ???? did i just read that right? did you guys just try to compare dalton and newton to TERELLE PRYOR!?!?!? are you serious? Pryor’s not gonna be ready in 5 years, let alone 5 weeks.
    ===============================
    I think they were going off of Gruden’s appraisal of Pryor on “QB Camp”. There are some Raiders beat writers that feel the same way … buzz here is they may even bring in two quarterbacks, because they’re uncomfortable with the possibility of Pryor being the backup this early into it.

  49. angrycorgi says: Oct 17, 2011 9:20 AM

    Jim Schwartz is a sore loser, nothing more. How else do you explain the same guy that makes snide remarks about his opponents in post-game interviews now crying about someone not giving him what he perceives as adequate respect? This is also the guy who whines about Suh being targeted by the refs. Newsflash: If you guys would train Suh not to tackle people by the helmet and attempt to put after-the-whistle wrestling moves on QBs, maybe he wouldn’t get labeled as dirty. The coaching staff for the lions is a total joke.

  50. namestim says: Oct 17, 2011 9:26 AM

    This little situation between Harbaugh and Schwartz should make the playoff game between Detroit and San Francisco very, very interesting.

    My money goes on the Lions in round two…

  51. namestim says: Oct 17, 2011 9:31 AM

    tinkletinkleonyourstar says:
    Oct 17, 2011 9:15 AM
    not being a fan of either team, here is my unbiased and unsolicited two cents.
    schwartz is a sore loser.
    the worst thing that can be said about harbaugh is maybe he was a little zealous in his handshake.
    he did absolutely nothing that warranted schwartz to come after him like that.”

    I’m also a neutral party and I have to agree with you here, I saw nothing done purposely to piss off Schwartz. Looking at it, I’d say Harbaugh was just so excited that he never saw Schwartz come up to him until the last second and by then it was too late to slow down his celebration so he just shook his hand and kept moving. Then Schwartz, being a sore loser, lost his cool and blew up about it for whatever reason.

  52. pastabelly says: Oct 17, 2011 9:39 AM

    Trading deadline is not too early. It may be too late. If I were Miami and Indy and in the suck for luck sweepstakes, I’d accumulate draft picks and clear roster out of average/overpaid players that help you win some games.

  53. suhnami says: Oct 17, 2011 9:43 AM

    Harbaugh told Schwartz to ‘F**K OFF’ as he “patted” him on the back…that’s what set him off, and understandably so.

    I’m a Western Michigan Alum and avid UofM fan, and have NEVER liked the Harbaugh’s. Within Michigan they’ve never had that solid of support because ALL of them have always been pompous, arrogant, and rubbed many within their own “circles” the wrong way.

    The Michigan following is devout and its tough to find may “michigan men” that the fans don’t like or at least give the benefit of the doubt with…but the Harbaughs are and have always been an exception.

  54. cschick2317 says: Oct 17, 2011 9:45 AM

    #7…not too early to consider 3 super bowls? Seriously? I love the pack as much as anyone, but it’s WAY to early to talk about 3 super bowls. I think it’s even a bit early to talk about winning this year’s super bowl.

    Yes they are playing pretty good, but I’d like to see the defense step it up a little more on the pass coverage before I start thinking we’re a shoe-in to win this years super bowl. We may be 6-0…but I’m going to hold off on saying “best team this year” until we play the chargers and lions and win convincingly.

  55. suhnami says: Oct 17, 2011 9:45 AM

    Oh yea and the Raiders need to sign David Garrard to come in and let Pryor sit and watch. Don’t make an “Al move” and send away more draft picks (that you don’t have) for Carson Palmer.

  56. gadgetdawg says: Oct 17, 2011 9:54 AM

    The players and the teams will not take concussion rules seriously when they get to ‘evaluate’ the injured player. They both have too much at stake in continuing to allow the injured player to play. The team has their record and the player has to worry about having his ‘toughness’ questioned.

    Please don’t tell me about the players later health problems. I know they are horrible but few people (in the heat of the moment) think that far in the future.

    The league has to have a physician of their own present to evaluate a possibly concussed player. Otherwise get rid of the concussion rules. It only penalizes teams that play by the rules and encourages more of them to skirt the rules. My vote is for the first option.

  57. baddegg says: Oct 17, 2011 9:58 AM

    I said I’d come back Monday to take my lumps if the Redskins went down, so hear I am. That said, yeah, it’s probably Beck time in D.C. The bigger issue here is really that the team has improved from last year — particularly on defense (20 points total and zero points vs. Eagles in second half is not bad, IMO) but the team definitely needs a QB who is not currently on the roster. Fortunately, it’s a deep QB class next year. The Shans need to let go and draft someone this year for sure. I’m still thinking 8-8 is a possibility for the skins and if so, it could still be a decent rebuilding year.

    Congrats Eagles…you finished. But with Rex throwing 4 picks, it may be concerning that you only held on for a 7 pt win…

  58. m2karateman says: Oct 17, 2011 10:13 AM

    angrycorgi says:
    Oct 17, 2011 9:20 AM
    Jim Schwartz is a sore loser, nothing more. How else do you explain the same guy that makes snide remarks about his opponents in post-game interviews now crying about someone not giving him what he perceives as adequate respect? This is also the guy who whines about Suh being targeted by the refs. Newsflash: If you guys would train Suh not to tackle people by the helmet and attempt to put after-the-whistle wrestling moves on QBs, maybe he wouldn’t get labeled as dirty. The coaching staff for the lions is a total joke.
    ———————————————————-
    First off, anyone calling Schwartz a sore loser doesn’t know recent history. Schwartz has been with this team for three season now, and in his first two seasons he’s lost 24 games…and this never happened. So, that argument is just plain crap.

    Secondly, I don’t condone what Schwartz did. I actually have lost some respect for him as a result, and I am a Lions fan. But Harbaugh went overboard. The handshake being too hard, as he tried to explain, was not the issue. What was the issue was his “slap on the back” which was actually him shoving Schwartz out of the way. That was disrespectful and petty. You can’t call it anything else but that. Schwartz has gone through his share of losing without any of these issues. However, Harbaugh has a history of acting like a d-bag, at times. I think this is another one of those times.

    I think both coaches acted like kids, and both should be punished.

  59. bucksnbengals11 says: Oct 17, 2011 10:13 AM

    Terrelle Pryor broke the rules and rather than stay and face the music like he said he would, took the cowards’ way out. He deserves whatever punishment the NFL metes out.

    Carson Palmer spent probably the best years of his career with the Bengals and did so without complaining. He deserves a second chance with whoever wants to give him one.

  60. drshakedown74 says: Oct 17, 2011 10:21 AM

    Love the Vick hating. Keep it coming. Philly will be 10-6…….watch. I still see players drop/twitch…..and return to games all the time. How about bringing up why the helmet to helmet hits on Vick aren’t getting called!!!!! If you think I’m wrong, roll the Washington footage and see it AGAIN for yourself. Yes, Vick is dumb….we know. BUT>>>>>he does play QB in this “touch football” league, and I think if this is ANY other QB…..the flags are flying.

  61. geniusfan says: Oct 17, 2011 11:17 AM

    Green Bay is really good but hardly unbeatable they looked vulnerable against the Falcons, Saints, and even the Panthers.

    Heck the Panthers could have and should have beat them.

    Anybody looks good against teams like Denver and the Rams.

  62. teddybear9 says: Oct 17, 2011 11:29 AM

    You know what, here’s what you don’t understand concerning whether Grossman plays or not. IT’S NOT YOUR CALL. Maybe he shouldn’t , maybe he should, but you have been calling for his benching from the start. I think you really have something against him. That’s the only thing I hate about this site, you can’t just report on things, you sit there and make “proclamations” like you are the god of all football. How bout letting owners, gm’s and coaches make the decisions and you can just report on them, and if you give an opinion make sure you do it in a way that reflects it’s JUST YOUR OPINION.

  63. drshakedown74 says: Oct 17, 2011 11:55 AM

    Philly gets a bye week….then 3 home games. Lets hear the tune when the Iggles are 5-4.

  64. radrntn says: Oct 17, 2011 11:56 AM

    i think raiders need to sign back up until Pryor can get a few more weeks of pratice, At least until after the bye week , so maybe 3 weeks from now. I would just play Boller next week and pound the ball w/ Mc Fadden, and Bush,.

  65. drshakedown74 says: Oct 17, 2011 11:56 AM

    Eagles can match up with the Pack.

  66. war27 says: Oct 17, 2011 12:12 PM

    Concussion solution: sign a waiver

    Any player that signs it plays. If the coaching staff thinks he’s still right enough in the head and can get it done and the players wants to play put him in the game.

    They get paid millions to play a sport, think of it as hazard pay.

  67. Packernet says: Oct 17, 2011 2:13 PM

    Just cause you got your bell rung doesn’t mean you have a concussion. How stupid. Only thing dumber is talking about the Packers winning three in a row before they even win two in a row.

  68. dwhitehurst says: Oct 17, 2011 2:40 PM

    If Harbaugh gets fined for being “insensitive”, then if I’m a head coach in the NFL, I would refuse to shake hands with the opposing head coach at all after the game. I mean, you could potentially get fined if he accuses you of “not looking at him”, “looking at him the wrong way”, or “shaking his hand too hard” or “not shaking his hand long enough”, or “patting him on the back” or “not patting him on the back”, etc., etc.,

  69. Deb says: Oct 17, 2011 5:02 PM

    Given that the example set by the NFL trickles down to all other levels of the sport, the league needs to make a strong statement that coaches who act like overgrown kindergartners will be dealt with swiftly and severely.

    Completely agree with you, but you’re candy-coating the past a little bit. As a Steelers fan, I’m awestruck by Chuck Noll. Love Cowher, adore Tomlin, but Noll is the man. However, he did not shake hands with opposing coaches after games, win or lose. And no one cared. Nothing that happened between Harbaugh and Schwartz comes close to Buddy Ryan punching Kevin Gilbride in the face during that 1997 Oilers game. (Yeah, maybe the Ryans are to blame for it all ;) )

    Maybe the answer is to stop the handshake tradition. Your thoughts on that?

  70. dwhitehurst says: Oct 17, 2011 5:29 PM

    Exactly Deb. (How you doin by the way?)

    I mean, in a court of law, the interpretation of the video evidence available regarding this altercation would be nothing but “subjective”, at least in the case of Harbaugh.

    And as we’re seeing here in the case of some journalists, what on video looked like a pat on the back has now been given a “shoved completely out of the way” spin.

    While I do ‘believe’ that Harbaugh should have toned it down a notch, even in that there is no “irrefutable evidence” according to the video we can see.

    Hence, without “irrefutable evidence”, how can you fine Harbaugh? Like we’re saying, if the league fines Harbaugh for that, then if I were a head coach I would never “risk” shaking the opposing coach’s hand after the game, especially if our team had won the game!!!

  71. Deb says: Oct 17, 2011 11:10 PM

    @dwhitehurst …

    Hi! Guess the NFL agreed with you, but I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. Part of me thinks the coaches should have been left to work it out on their own. But if Goodell were being consistent, he’d have fined both of them at least a token amount to send a message regarding their personal conduct on the field. It does irk me knowing he would have fined two players in the same circumstances.

  72. paulieorkid says: Oct 18, 2011 9:51 AM

    I agree with joshuavkidd who said on Oct 17, 2011 9:15 AM:

    “This is what the NFL has become??? Lets make sure we take the player out of the game because he may or may not have hit his head? Seriously? And we can now diagnose a concussion based on the television coverage??? This is why the game is the way it is now. 15 yard flag every 5 minutes because a QB gets his pants dirty or god forbide a WR gets smacked by a safety. Congrats to all of you for slowly but surely turning the game into an intramural sport.”

    - – -

    Exactly. And PFT bangs the drum the loudest, preaching that players should be suspended (not just fined). They should listen to Mark Schlereth’s take — much better reasoned than PFT always trying to wussify the league.

    Anothe example: PFT says the “NFL got it wrong” on how the Schwartz/Harbaugh was “swept under the rug by the NFL.” They write 9,000,000 articles on Harbaugh/Schwartz – and then claim they want such provocative moments permanently extinguished.

    Then there’s the Turd Watch, where PFT shines the 500 Watt Lights on whatever person is merely charged of something. It doesn’t have to be proven true. Only the accusation is enough for the big headline to read “Turd Watch Back Down to Zero.” Anyone remember that?

    Another beef. PFT’s positions are always voiced from ONE person but ONE who claims “WE” think…,” “OUR” position here is …”, “WE here believe …”

    So why can’t the author of an opinion just OWN it? Does everyone on staff agree about everything? Does PFT expect us to believe they have meetings ahead of time to establish a consensus take? Just own it – rather than hiding in the crowd by cloaking the writer’s views as those held of a unfailingly united crowd. Don’t you people have differing opinions amongst yourselves?

    Finally, this comment will be censored. PFT likes to criticize the heck out of everything and everyone. PFT, however, does not appreciate criticism coming their way — though they do post a few poorly written rants, knowing such crackpot expressions will be harmless to them. Kind of hypotical to to bash everyone, and then keep a lid when someone offers fair criticism your way, isn’t is?

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