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League official points out that Vikings could move

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The fact that Minnesota will conduct a special legislative session next month regarding a new Vikings stadium doesn’t mean that the Legislature will craft a plan for the construction of a new stadium.  It means only that the issue will be resolved; the resolution could be that there will be no new stadium.

And so the league is beginning to join in the not-so-subtle effort to make clear the alternative is the Vikings playing in a new stadium elsewhere.

Last week, Vikings V.P. of business affairs and stadium development Lester Bagley told PFT Live that “more than one community” has contacted the team regarding a possible move.  Today, NFL executive V.P. Eric Grubman made it clear that, if no stadium is built in Minnesota, the Vikings could indeed leave.

“We’re worried about a stalemate, and a stalemate means there’s no lease, or the lease is about to expire,” Grubman said, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.  “There’s no plan for a stadium, and there’s an alternative plan in another city.”
Oops.
“That’s a stalemate, and the alternative wouldn’t include Minnesota,” Grubman added. “That’s the way we look at it, [it’s] a crisis.”
It’s unclear how folks in Minnesota will respond to the increased pressure, especially since the pressure is now coming from an outsider.
Either way, we’ll all find out by January 1, if not sooner.  Without a deal for a new stadium, the Vikings could be playing elsewhere as soon as next year.
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  1. devinmr711 says: Oct 18, 2011 8:46 PM

    Los Angeles Vikings???

  2. commandercornpone says: Oct 18, 2011 8:47 PM

    they could always go year to year where they are.

    like renters.

  3. trbowman says: Oct 18, 2011 8:49 PM

    Toronto Vikings

  4. firerogergoodell says: Oct 18, 2011 8:49 PM

    As a Vikings fan, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If Minnesota refuses to build the new stadium, then they don’t deserve the Vikings. It’s as simple as that. If LA will build that amazing state of the art stadium, and all the necessary facilities, I won’t hesitate to follow them. It would just be awful to lose the Vikings name and all of the history behind it.

  5. sevensixtwonato says: Oct 18, 2011 8:50 PM

    Does LA really want the Vikings? I mean they don’t have the best Ju Ju that follows them….They may show up on LA just in time for Cali to fall into the Pacific…

  6. deanvernonwormer says: Oct 18, 2011 8:51 PM

    The Vikings should leave Minnesota and move to Los Angeles. That way they could stink over there instead.

  7. chwtom says: Oct 18, 2011 8:55 PM

    With the financial turmoil that just about every city and state are in, and with all the data to suggest that public financing for stadiums helps nobody but the owners, I hope that some criteria for new owners is that they can privately fund their own stadia.

    It is fair to criticize the Minnesota legislature for failing to get this done, but it shouldn’t be their problem to begin with. Vikings fans shouldn’t have their team ripped away from them because the state can’t pay for a new stadium and the owner won’t. If he won’t pay for a new stadium, and he feels like they need a new one (and who doesn’t think the Metrodome needs replacement), then he should sell to someone who will pay for a new stadium.

    It’s a crime that Minnesota could lose it’s team over this.

  8. philtration says: Oct 18, 2011 8:56 PM

    I think they will be gone before long.
    The other day I said that the Vikings belong in Minnesota and in the NFC North.
    That was probably because I did not want to see the Rams in the division.

    Put the L.A. Vikings in the NFC West.
    Put the Rams in the AFC South.
    Put the Colts in the NFC North.

    Better alignment based on proximity to the other teams in the divisions.

  9. packchampxlv says: Oct 18, 2011 8:57 PM

    Who else are the Bears going to beat?

  10. seanx40 says: Oct 18, 2011 8:58 PM

    I think San Antonio Vikings sounds about right.

    No public funds should be used to pay for such things. Billionaires receiving public funds for a place to play a game. Absurd. Obscene.

  11. sobora says: Oct 18, 2011 9:00 PM

    If there is any hope in keeping the franchise afloat, everyone in the state has got to get behind them- Viking fan or not. A pro sports franchise generates massive state revenue, and creating a new expansion team in the state would cost more money than adequately funding the existing one.

    Being a Packer fan from Minnesota, I don’t want to see the franchise crumble. I love my state, I love the Wisconsin-Minnesota banter, and I love football. For Pete’s sake, the Vikes were in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP just two seasons ago!

    It would be a crime to see the Vikings leave.

    Go football.

  12. ultimatecardinalwarrior says: Oct 18, 2011 9:00 PM

    Do you think the Vikings would rebrand if they moved to LA, like the Browns did when they moved to Baltimore? I think it’s the only appropriate thing to do. Vikings belong in Minnesota, not in LA. Of course, the Lakers make way more sense in Minnesota, too.

  13. ravensfan4life52 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:03 PM

    the Los Angeles Vikings sounds cool, but the London Vikings sounds better.

  14. gb4ever0811 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:04 PM

    How about the Vikings leave and the Bengals go to the NFC North? We can have Lions, tigers, and Bears in the same division!

    Oh, my…

  15. idriveamoped says: Oct 18, 2011 9:05 PM

    Who cares? The Vikings are terrible, and the whole NFC is terrible.

  16. rudegger says: Oct 18, 2011 9:08 PM

    The purple clown looks so sad in that picture.

  17. brickwilly says: Oct 18, 2011 9:08 PM

    How about the Saskatoon Vikings ?!?!!!!!

  18. scudbot says: Oct 18, 2011 9:09 PM

    The league’s bean counters know that expansion is out of the question. The league is hell bent to put a team in LA. They don’t care which team. They don’t care about fans. They care about their corporate image, TV revenues and protecting themselves from future lawsuits. They care about football but only as a vehicle to corporate profits and image.

  19. dannymac17 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:10 PM

    We dont want the Vikings here in LA.

    For us Charger fans that are here, that would pave the way for them to move to San Antonio.

  20. scudbot says: Oct 18, 2011 9:12 PM

    I sincerely hope that the Goodell era comes to an end sooner rather than later and that the owners are then smart enough to put a football guy in charge.

  21. nunpuncher says: Oct 18, 2011 9:12 PM

    How about the Vikings to London?

    Sincerely,
    An Annoyed Buccaneers Fan

  22. Matt-NC says: Oct 18, 2011 9:13 PM

    If it happened, Vikings to the NFC West and Rams to the NFC North.

  23. bangbangbilly says: Oct 18, 2011 9:14 PM

    Las Vegas Vikings!!! tell Ragnar to load up the chopper and head west

  24. ajtexans says: Oct 18, 2011 9:14 PM

    This thing has dragged on and on, but having been through this in Houston, once it gets to the final stages, it moves quickly. Vikings fans may suddenly find themselves in a totally helpless situation. That’s when things really get bad for the fans. It’s not fun when you find out that you’ve lost your team. It gets worse when the games start the following season and you’re not part of it — and you see ‘strangers’ rooting for your team.

  25. cusoman says: Oct 18, 2011 9:14 PM

    Those of you calling this the doom of Minnesota and saying they will be leaving without a doubt don’t understand political games. This is all just posturing and galavanting – this thing is coming to a head and the parties are sabre rattling, nothing more.

    The momentum right now is in the favor of this thing getting done, and I believe it will with the people backing it who need to be now.

    The Vikings are going nowhere.

  26. donterrelli says: Oct 18, 2011 9:15 PM

    London Vikings?

  27. glad4sgone says: Oct 18, 2011 9:18 PM

    Hey, big Pack fan here – also a big Viking hater…

    I sincerely hope the Vikes settle this issue in Minnesota, and stay there. It be a tragic end to a great border rivalry for the Vikes to move.

    Good luck Vike fans, I hope you are able to keep your team.

  28. namestim says: Oct 18, 2011 9:19 PM

    firerogergoodell says:
    Oct 18, 2011 8:49 PM
    “As a Vikings fan, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If Minnesota refuses to build the new stadium, then they don’t deserve the Vikings. It’s as simple as that. If LA will build that amazing state of the art stadium, and all the necessary facilities, I won’t hesitate to follow them. It would just be awful to lose the Vikings name and all of the history behind it.”

    And as a former Oilers (current Texans) fan, I can say that it should bother you. I still hold a massive grudge for losing my Oilers. I would do anything to get the Oilers name and those awesome uniforms back but it ain’t happening. I hope, for your sake, that you guys don’t lose your team. As for the history, thats a confusing situation. When you look at the Browns, they got everything back in Cleveland…but the Oilers history now resides in Nashville and the name, logo and colors belong to bud adams and will never be seen again. I never understood why that happened here.

  29. Robert says: Oct 18, 2011 9:19 PM

    Put the L.A. Vikings in the NFC West.
    Put the Rams in the AFC South.
    Put the Colts in the NFC North.

    ****************************************

    NFC North

    Chicago
    Green Bay
    Detroit
    St Louis

    NFC West

    Seattle
    Arizona
    San Francisco
    Los Angeles (Vikings)

    Interesting enough.

    The Colts lease is up in 2013.

    Could the Colts be the AFC team to move to Los Angeles?

  30. scudbot says: Oct 18, 2011 9:21 PM

    Next week will be the 50th anniversary of the first Packers-Vikings game. Build Arden Hills, Zygi.

  31. vikesfansteve says: Oct 18, 2011 9:23 PM

    The fools that live in MN are actually going to let the Vikings leave. People in MN always stick their heads in the sand & hope a problem will go away.

    So sad.

  32. dazdillinger213 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:26 PM

    Thanks for deleting my post.

    I’ll make this one shorter. The Vikings aren’t leaving so just stop. They are having meetings all this month to get this hammered out. Thanks for making everyone think the Vikes have already packed their bags though! An NFL rep said something we all know. The Vikings will leave IF a stadium agreement is not reached. We all know that. But they are in the middle of reaching one! Now stop with the over the top headlines that you try to make it indicate something that’s it’s not. The Vikings aren’t leaving.

  33. xli2006 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:27 PM

    The obvious question from an outsider???

    Why didn’t the Vikings and the University of Minnesota tagteam a New Stadium?

    By all accounts the new Minnesota Stadium is quite nice. It could have even been nicer with more ammenities/revenues with both the Gophers and Vikings on board.

    So now the Vikings need to build their own new stadium immediately after the Gophers and Twins finished theirs?

    This is a very poor time to try to pass this in a state that is not very keen on taking on a massive new Stadium Bill.

  34. Slim Charles says: Oct 18, 2011 9:28 PM

    Nice use of blackmail by the team. I thought that with the new CBA, the owners had plenty of money! It’s very shocking that they’d continue to be greedy to to the point of threatening one of the best fanbases in the NFL. /sarcasm

    Any fan who supported the owners this summer is an idiot. Say what you will about England and their odd form of kickball, but you would never, ever, in a million years hear of an EPL team being moved because their owner needs more ivory backscratchers.

  35. citizenstrange says: Oct 18, 2011 9:28 PM

    It is shameful that the NFL with it’s BILLIONS in revenue would resort to try to scare taxpayers into giving money to a billionaire.

    Am I taking crazy pills here?

  36. hillzmickelzon says: Oct 18, 2011 9:32 PM

    Now after hearing this news im starting to think the vikings may be on the move, being from L.A i dont think keeping the viking name is a good idea the LEAUGE is gonna want new uniforms, new logo,new name to fit the west coast i just dont see people gettin hyped up for another purple & gold thats not the Lakers. But can somebody come up with a name that will sell? people say L.A cant support a team i.e look at the raiders or rams?? build a state of the stadium and you get a sellout for at least 6 years & maybe a pac 12 championship game.. the L.A??????

  37. thoughtsofawretchedone says: Oct 18, 2011 9:32 PM

    Why mess with Minnesota? At least they fill the seats! They are also steeped in NFL history. Quit messing with Minnesota and replant the Bucs if someone needs to move.

  38. xli2006 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:32 PM

    philtration says:

    Put the L.A. Vikings in the NFC West.
    Put the Rams in the AFC South.
    Put the Colts in the NFC North.

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Wouldn’t it just be easier to swap the Vikings and Rams? Why do the Colts need to swap divisions?

    As a Colts Fan, we already have rivalries and are quite content where we are. Don’t bring us into this mess. Meanwhile, the Rams were a recent move (late 90s) and don’t have as deeply rooted rivalries and would at least stay in the NFC and geographically would be ideal for them (Rams, Bears, Packers, Lions).

  39. pkrjones says: Oct 18, 2011 9:33 PM

    My post was deleted yesterday for saying this same thing… Zyggi is already working on “Plan B”: the move and/or sale of the Vikings to L.A. The Vikings will more than likely be 1-9 by the time the legislature meets (AGAIN!!), and public support (and tax money) will be at a an all-time low.

  40. 11wheatd says: Oct 18, 2011 9:33 PM

    I love how so many people hate the vikings. WHy would you want ANY team to move..? destroys the amazing rivalries between teams (Packers/Vikings). i mean its just sad how many arrogant/stupid/jealous people are on this site.

    It’s funny cause all of you that rag on the Vikings all the time are jealous of them. I mean, you wouldn’t hate a team so bad if it sucked. Heck I never hated the Lions, because they were so bad for so long. I hate the Packers cause they’re good. It’s funny how so many people on here love to take any shot at the Vikings, don’t get too jealous now hahaha

  41. malinois1983 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:34 PM

    Its sad how many idiots have access to the internet just so they can write BS

  42. txxxchief says: Oct 18, 2011 9:36 PM

    The South Texas Gringos!

  43. mojo32jags says: Oct 18, 2011 9:39 PM

    FINALLY! now stop picking on my jaguars!

  44. kerrigansgotahighmotor says: Oct 18, 2011 9:39 PM

    Way I see it, and this goes for all teams, if a team uses public money to fund a stadium, the owner also agrees to hand over a percentage of the ownership stake to the people of that state or city (depending on whether the stadium is funded by state money or city money) or follow the Green Bay Packers model and have the team become a public company and sell stock.

    I know the league rules prevent this from occurring because there is a limit on the number of owners of a team but this would put teams in cities that truly want them. It would show the owners how serious a city or state is about a team. If these cities took a hard line with these owners we would see these owners thinking twice about wanting to build a new stadium.

    But there is always another city out there who wants to take on a team just because of the prestige of having a team, even if their city doesn’t have the fans to support the team. But it would be interesting to see how these owners would take on the issue of new stadiums or stadium expansion if they had to use their own money or find private contributors.

  45. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 18, 2011 9:45 PM

    OK, Minnesota people, let’s practice! Dum-dum-da-dum-dum-dum…. (you go now)

  46. bobnelsonjr says: Oct 18, 2011 9:46 PM

    Why have the vikings been so scared of having a referendum as the law requires?

    If they have as much support as they claim why are they so gutless and chicken?

    Put the stadium issue on the ballot next year when they get all toxic waste issues, how much more in taxes they have to collect from everyone, finance charges and cost overruns responsibility resolved.

    You can’t rammed through a half baked hairbrained scheme or people will say no.

    Work out the details and put it on the ballot.
    LA, the vikings, and Minnesota can wait one year. Afterall it is Wilf’s fault that this latest stadium idea was proposed only days before the Legislative session ended.

    The way Wilf has changed his mind over the various stadium ideas over the years one can make the case he drug his feet the whole time because his plan all along was to move the franchise.

  47. jesmith12 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:50 PM

    “Interesting enough.

    The Colts lease is up in 2013.

    Could the Colts be the AFC team to move to Los Angeles?”

    **********************************************

    I’m not sure about the Colts lease, but they just got a new stadium in Indy so I’m pretty sure they signed a new lease as part of the stadium deal. Am I wrong?

  48. chowface86 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:56 PM

    Build a stadium in Compton. Bring out JaMarcus and Clarett together.

  49. sterling7 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:57 PM

    I said earlier that if the Vikings could field a competitive NFL football team it would be easier to convince the powers that be to build a stadium . However some “assclown” pointed out that the stadium will be built for future teams and not just for this particularly horrible team and that I should read before I write down what I think. I say to you ” assclown”, learn to read between the lines, The Vikings have fifty (50) years of incompetence. The Vikings were not even competitive and any of their four Super Bowls, “they were dominated”!. Even Buffalo came to within a field goal of several feet of winning a Super Bowl against a very good New York Giants team. MY point? I’ve said it before and it bears repeating, the Vikings have broken my heart so many times and have left me broken and crushed as I am their biggest fan. I truly believe if the Vikings go that they will win a Super Bowl within 4 to 5 years after they leave Minnesota-if they stay, my heart truly believes there’ll be another 50 years of incompetence.

  50. chobes68 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:58 PM

    “How about the Vikings to London?

    Sincerely,
    An Annoyed Buccaneers Fan”

    ===========

    Agree! This whole London thing is a joke. Its a one time attraction, they don’t want American football.

    “NFC North

    Chicago
    Green Bay
    Detroit
    St Louis”

    St Louis? If I was a betting man, I would bet the Rams are not in St Louis in 5 years.

  51. chobes68 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:00 PM

    The LA Vikings would probably change their name. LA Lakers is rather ridiculous when you realize where they’re originally from.

  52. txxxchief says: Oct 18, 2011 10:00 PM

    There’s plenty of football love down here in Texas for another NFL team don’t ya know!

  53. sikoix says: Oct 18, 2011 10:10 PM

    I went ahead and read the comments on the linked article — the comments left by locals in Minnesota.

    They were horrifying.

    “I fail to see how moving the Vikings will make them a better team. LA fans are fair-weather at best — I’ve lived in southern California for 30 years (from Minneapolis), so I know what I’m talking about.”

    ^This guy seems to think the move is about the on-the-field product of the Vikings.

    “Lets look at the past history of our PRO Teams……The lakers go to LA and become successful…………The North Stars go to Dallas and become successful……….Minneapolis replaces both of these PRO teams with other PRO teams that fall flat on their faces. WHY PAY for another team (VIKING) who are certainly QUESTIONABLE by any measure care to name.”

    ^I don’t follow what this guy is even getting at…

    “They are bluffing. Guaranteed.”

    ^Maybe, but the politicians haven’t exactly managed this scenario well. Or at all.

    “The NFL should be funding this project, not taxpayers. If they want to lose the 13th largest market in the US, LET THEM LEAVE.”

    ^Another person missing the point.

    I guess my point here is that the locals in Minnesota scare the crap out of me, as an out of state Viking fan. Whether this is politics or not (and it does have that tinge of politics to it), the Vikings are as good as gone with that kind of local support and all around IQ level.

  54. minnysoda says: Oct 18, 2011 10:14 PM

    firerogergoodell says:
    Oct 18, 2011 8:49 PM
    As a Vikings fan, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If Minnesota refuses to build the new stadium, then they don’t deserve the Vikings. It’s as simple as that. If LA will build that amazing state of the art stadium, and all the necessary facilities, I won’t hesitate to follow them. It would just be awful to lose the Vikings name and all of the history behind it.

    Well at least there would be no expense in moving Lombardi trophies. Although they would lose their security deposit to pay for all of the dusting

  55. sikoix says: Oct 18, 2011 10:15 PM

    No sooner did I post my last comment when I went to close the page of horrifying comments when I saw the ULTIMATE local Viking fan comment:

    “If they leave we will save so much money. No more 16 million dollar contracts for old has beens to grab Minnesota money and run back to Alabama. Right Brett?”

    Are there seriously people in that state that think the players are paid with tax money? Stop me if I’m being redundant… but does anyone understand how income tax works?

  56. dazdillinger213 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:21 PM

    The Vikings are not moving. I can’t believe some of you believe what this guy writes. It’s become the TMZ of the NFL. They are in meeting hammering out the deal right now. The Vikings are not leaving and I wish you would published the REST of that interview in your website.

    Once again, the Vikings are going nowhere. So people can just write their pointless comments.

  57. deconjonesbitchslap says: Oct 18, 2011 10:24 PM

    trust me. after the packers blow this team out on sunday 84-0, all Minnesotan’s will help the vikings with their luggage.

  58. vikefan says: Oct 18, 2011 10:29 PM

    i was on phone all afternoon with local reps @ capitol, it sounds like serious jeopardy to me. the only yes votes i could muster from my local reps was if the bill is tied in with a racino package to pay for stadium….bottom line, it does not sound like the majority are willing to raise taxes for a state funded stadium, the dollars must come from somewhere else in their view. I was trying to pull every rabbit out of the hat and give every reason to vote for a stadium bill and got the same last comment from all of them which was “what makes you so sure they have any intention of leaving at all?”. The heads are definitely in the sand in st. paul…….so sad.

  59. santolonius says: Oct 18, 2011 10:30 PM

    i love the way people feel that because a wealthy person buys a football team he/she now must hand over all their money to the community in the form of self financing a stadium. it’s like the owner was adopting a deadbeat child who always has his hand out and pockets empty. even on my most socialist days of bogged down poverty, i don’t think those are reasonable expectations to put on wilf or any of the others.

  60. pooflingingmonkey says: Oct 18, 2011 10:31 PM

    The Oklahoma Vikings?

    No…

    The Oklahoma Wranglers?

    Too much like “Cowboys”…

    The Oklahoma Catfish?

    Perfect!

  61. gberg09 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:32 PM

    anybody that lives in minnesota knows the state legislature is worthless and incapable of resolving a damn thing.

  62. deconjonesbitchslap says: Oct 18, 2011 10:37 PM

    Minnesotans will NOT bite this bait set out by the NFL. we have a billionaire owner. if he wants a stadium, do what all corporations do when they want a new building but need some money: float bonds.

  63. scomibord says: Oct 18, 2011 10:41 PM

    to the poster who said leave the name, the colors and the history.

    Why hold on to a history of losing????????

  64. vikes34 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:43 PM

    I am very frustrated with the stadium debate and how out of touch people seem to be right now in Minnesota. The reality is that there is a number, greater than $0, probably less than $1Billion, where it makes sense for the state to contribute to a stadium. But this point has not been raised or discussed rationally by anyone?

    Take for example that at 8% State Income Tax Rates, the Vikes payroll of $120M is worth approximately $10M/year for the state. Factor in that a lease might be 30 years and we know that NFL payrolls are increasing faster than inflation, that means losing the Vikes will cost the state more than $300M in Tax Revenue over the course of the lease.

    Even is the state kicks in $250M, it is still a $50M gain for the state! The argument I keep reading about “Billionaires” paying for their own playgrounds is ridiculous and short-sighted at best, there is tax money – and a lot of it – that will be lost if the Vikes move.

    I have only taken into account the State Income taxes on the players. There is so much more money in play to be taxed:
    – Income tax from workers building stadium
    – Sales tax on concessions
    – Taxes on parking revenue
    – Income tax on viking employees
    – Income tax on stadium employees


    On and on and on.

  65. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 18, 2011 10:46 PM

    seanx40 says:
    Oct 18, 2011 8:58 PM
    I think San Antonio Vikings sounds about right.

    No public funds should be used to pay for such things. Billionaires receiving public funds for a place to play a game. Absurd. Obscene.
    ___________

    Who do you think paid for that Alamo Dome?

  66. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 18, 2011 10:49 PM

    sterling7 says:
    Oct 18, 2011 9:57 PM
    I said earlier that if the Vikings could field a competitive NFL football team it would be easier to convince the powers that be to build a stadium . However some “assclown” pointed out that the stadium will be built for future teams and not just for this particularly horrible team and that I should read before I write down what I think. I say to you ” assclown”, learn to read between the lines, The Vikings have fifty (50) years of incompetence. The Vikings were not even competitive and any of their four Super Bowls, “they were dominated”!. Even Buffalo came to within a field goal of several feet of winning a Super Bowl against a very good New York Giants team. MY point? I’ve said it before and it bears repeating, the Vikings have broken my heart so many times and have left me broken and crushed as I am their biggest fan. I truly believe if the Vikings go that they will win a Super Bowl within 4 to 5 years after they leave Minnesota-if they stay, my heart truly believes there’ll be another 50 years of incompetence.
    _____________

    Get off our side! We don’t need you! You’re the Vikings’ biggest fan? With fans like you, who needs detractors? We’d have a stadium with a competitive team? We were a stupid interception away from the Super Bowl two years ago! Where’s the stadium? I think Detroit would love to be dominated in four Super Bowls.

  67. philtration says: Oct 18, 2011 10:49 PM

    Wouldn’t it just be easier to swap the Vikings and Rams? Why do the Colts need to swap divisions?

    As a Colts Fan, we already have rivalries and are quite content where we are. Don’t bring us into this mess. Meanwhile, the Rams were a recent move (late 90s) and don’t have as deeply rooted rivalries and would at least stay in the NFC and geographically would be ideal for them (Rams, Bears, Packers, Lions).
    =================================

    The Colts have only been in Indianapolis since the mid 80s and their rivalries with the teams in their current division are not that old at all. (2002)
    They played in the AFC East for 31 years and they have far more history with the Jets, Patriots, Bills and Dolphins.

    Indianapolis is only…
    184 miles from Chicago.
    230 miles from Detroit.
    383 miles from Green Bay.

    Indianapolis is…
    864 miles from Houston.
    700 miles from Jacksonville.
    398 miles from Memphis.

    Indianapolis is a Northern Mid-West city while St. Louis is only 285 miles from Memphis.
    It just makes more sense.

  68. burrito12 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:51 PM

    “—–It would just be awful to lose the Vikings name and all of the history behind it.——-”

    If they did move, perhaps the NFL would allow name and history to remain in Minnesota similar to what they did for the Browns when they moved to Baltimore.

    I’m sure LA’s new team would be glad to sever ties with the Vikings historical achievements that include

    -4 super bowl losses
    -2 NFC championship losses on a classic INT by #4 and a the only FG miss all season by the kicker
    -Randy Moss, twice
    -A super bowl ticket scalping coach
    -A coach who looked like Mr Noodle on Sesame Street
    -the Hershal Walker trade
    -Favre, nuff said
    -TV blackouts
    -dome roof collapsing
    -McNabb, nuff said
    -and last but not least, the infamous Love Boat cruise!!

    Yeah, Minnesota deserves to keep that rich history and tradition!

  69. phonecops says: Oct 18, 2011 10:51 PM

    Remember when owning an NFL team was source of pride instead of income? Like a charmic cleaning for being so damn rich.
    Now it’s just a way to make even more money….

  70. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 18, 2011 10:53 PM

    I don’t think the Vikings are leaving but I know it’s a possibility. The thought of it is very depressing. I think the people on here who are rooting for the Vikings to move and are figuring out divisional realignment are very cruel. Think how you would feel if your team left. Thank you to all the Packer fans who want to see the rivalry continue. The rest of you know what you can do.

  71. dtrb10 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:00 PM

    Why do we have to go through this? I have been a Vikings fan all my life and there is nothing I can do about this and it’s frustrating. I know what PA is talking about. The politics are horrible. I hope they get this done on the 21st of Nov. I think this is what they needed to know that they are serious about moving. I think they will get this done in Arden Hills. I mean I hope.

  72. bcknights says: Oct 18, 2011 11:00 PM

    At first I hated the idea of the Vikings moving to LA. But now screw the state of MN you have been stalling to long. It’s time to move on! MN you don’t know what you got til it’s gone!

  73. deadeye says: Oct 18, 2011 11:02 PM

    Every single city that gets threatened with a relocation of the local franchise needs to tell the NFL to go f— itself. The nations economy is literally collapsing, and these billionaires want fans to pay for fancy new stadiums that will make them alone richer.

    I’ve got nothing against someone who earns their billions. I’ve got a big problem with handouts to anyone, especially those guys.

  74. usedtool says: Oct 18, 2011 11:03 PM

    Several points: 1) When a major corporation moves/expands in an area they almost always get some form of tax assistance. In the case of a stadium you at least know where the tax money is going. 2) It is impossible to do more than estimate how valuable a pro franchise is to an area. It isn’t just the direct income. It includes lot of stuff including the cache of being an NFL city when trying to attract new businesses. 3) The Vikings have been playing in stadiums designed “baseball first” their entire existence. They have been patient. 4) The “stadium issue” has been going on for at least a decade. It should have been resolved years ago. They’ve made repeated proposals and all have been shot down. 5) The lease is up. No major business is going to accept a year to year, “we’ll try to make it right by you later” deal. That would be worse than bad business. It would be just plain dumb. LAST: Therefor, if MN doesn’t put up, the Vikes are gone or their owners are fools.

  75. footballnut2011 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:14 PM

    Come on minnesota. Get this done please. I have been bleeding purple for thirty eight years. I need to witness one superbowl victory before i die. My life will be incomplete without it. GO VIKES!

  76. jagmania65 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:19 PM

    This is exactly why we in Jacksonville laugh whenever PFT beats the drum for the Jaguars to move to LA. Historically, NFL teams have not moved over attendence issues – they move over stadium issues. Baltimore, Cleveland, Houston, St Louis all wouldn’t build their teams new stadiums, and the owners of those franchises moved their team to a city that would. Now it looks like the Vikings and Chargers are going to race to Los Angeles…

  77. textexington says: Oct 18, 2011 11:26 PM

    The Packers will be in Green Bay forever!!!Go Pack Go!

  78. scudbot says: Oct 18, 2011 11:57 PM

    deconjonesbitchslap says: “trust me. after the packers blow this team out on sunday 84-0, all Minnesotan’s will help the vikings with their luggage.”

    We’ve played 100 times. GB leads 51-48-1. Trust you? There are diehard Packers fans who would try to help Minnesotans keep the Vikes in Minnesota if we could. And the record doesn’t even matter.

  79. thetooloftools says: Oct 19, 2011 12:03 AM

    Why would they build a stadium for the Gophers and not the Vikings ? It’s so all about the $ anymore it’s just disgusting.

  80. scudbot says: Oct 19, 2011 12:29 AM

    deadeye, some $billionaires are that way because they’re smart.

    There’s no way Zygi can escape government involvement. They want to tell him where he can and can’t put the stadium, how much he’ll have to pay for privilege, what kind of stadium he can put up. If they decide something A or B it can affect his bottom line substantially, affect the quality of the product he can put out and affect fan experience. So what’s Zygi supposed to do? Whatever the pols tell him and pay for 100% no matter what?

  81. scudbot says: Oct 19, 2011 12:31 AM

    The Phantom Stranger: +1. Post of the day.

  82. relaunche says: Oct 19, 2011 12:32 AM

    I’m a Bears fan and The Vikings leaving Minnesota would be a travesty! Figure this S*&%! out! My goodness! The NFC North without the Vikes would be terrible. I mean Come On’ Man!

  83. threedeep1998 says: Oct 19, 2011 12:41 AM

    Governor Dayton wants them to stay. MN is here to stay… People love them too much

  84. kcrobert10 says: Oct 19, 2011 12:47 AM

    If the vikings go the way of the lakers will the NFL move the rams to the north and the vikings or whatever there called to the west.

  85. sevensixtwonato says: Oct 19, 2011 12:50 AM

    sterling7 says:
    Oct 18, 2011 9:57 PM
    I said earlier that if the Vikings could field a competitive NFL football team it would be easier to convince the powers that be to build a stadium . However some “assclown” pointed out that the stadium will be built for future teams and not just for this particularly horrible team and that I should read before I write down what I think. I say to you ” assclown”, learn to read between the lines, The Vikings have fifty (50) years of incompetence. The Vikings were not even competitive and any of their four Super Bowls, “they were dominated”!. Even Buffalo came to within a field goal of several feet of winning a Super Bowl against a very good New York Giants team. MY point? I’ve said it before and it bears repeating, the Vikings have broken my heart so many times and have left me broken and crushed as I am their biggest fan. I truly believe if the Vikings go that they will win a Super Bowl within 4 to 5 years after they leave Minnesota-if they stay, my heart truly believes there’ll be another 50 years of incompetence.

    ————————————————–

    So I’m an “Assclown” now? Hey I have to hand it to you, thats a better insult than “mud duck” which some guy called me earlier. Anyways, I was going to try to argue your point, but after reading that “the Vikings have broken my heart so many times and have left me broken and crushed” I really didnt have it in me any more. Dude….its a game. The team plays 3 hours a week for maybe 20 weeks a year, if you are feeling soul crushing sarrow over a game that you have no control in the outcome you should talk to someone.

  86. soaddma says: Oct 19, 2011 12:51 AM

    Why do the Vikings deserve a new stadium? When’s the last time they were decent? The Vikings have been playing crap football for years now, and all of the sudden they “deserve” and upgrade? give me a break. Screw them, move to LA and see how long that city tolerates a crap team. When’s the last time people in LA were excited to watch the Clippers? exactly

  87. gobills716 says: Oct 19, 2011 1:14 AM

    Isn’t the Metrodome only 30 years old? It’s amazing how small the shelf life for stadiums is in the NFL today. What are there, five stadiums that are older than 30 years? It’s a shame that a team is going to be relocated because the state wont finance a new stadium.

  88. vegasgolds says: Oct 19, 2011 2:14 AM

    Las Vegas will welcome the Vikings with open arms!

    With the lack of construction here and all the out of work construction workers, we could have a stadium built by next season.

  89. The Prophet says: Oct 19, 2011 2:22 AM

    Sad Viking fans make the best pictures. i guess its the ludicrousness of a fat middle aged guy dressed up like a purple Viking warrior and then being sad. photos and TV shots in the stands. it jsut kills me. And i’m a Viking fan too!

  90. michfan says: Oct 19, 2011 2:22 AM

    Lester Bagley, has been point man for the last 15 years or so, for the Vikings to get a new play pen! The Last owner, Red McCoombs, said that he was the only “Bag”man that always had an “empty” Bag! That said, The good folks of Ramsey / Hennepin/ counties are tired of being forced into “sales” tax increases to pay for this stuff. The owners stand pat with their wallets on hold, while they patiently wait to see what exactly they might have to contribute! They have the leverage to wait, thinking that the “good fans” “will never let us leave”. Bagley has collected his “salary” as a front man for a long time and has been a puppet in this mess. Until the Zyg man, grows a pair, shows them off, Vikes will say BYE BYE

  91. joyjoy69 says: Oct 19, 2011 2:30 AM

    firerogergoodell says: Oct 18, 2011 8:49 PM

    As a Vikings fan, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If Minnesota refuses to build the new stadium, then they don’t deserve the Vikings. It’s as simple as that. If LA will build that amazing state of the art stadium, and all the necessary facilities, I won’t hesitate to follow them. It would just be awful to lose the Vikings name and all of the history behind it.

    —————————-

    Don’t deserve the team?! Really, because the team is the great boon that will be lost? How about this – if the team doesn’t want to pay for a stadium in the state, they don’t deserve to play there. That would be a much more rational perspective.

    Vikes34 makes a much better point regarding the complexities of the economics. But he fails to take into account the opportunity cost issue. If the Vikes leave the state, it’s not like the fanbase will follow and take their money with them. They will spend their entertainment dollars elsewhere, possibly with more long-term value to the community. Certainly you can’t suggest that if Vikings fans can’t spend their money on a team that will divide it out among a few hundred people they won’t spend that money on more consumer goods and possibly the arts – that will be spread among many more people. Not passing judgment, I’m much more likely to buy Seahawks tickets than visit three different music and/or drama performances. Still, without the option, my $150 per ticket gets spread out in a lot of different places – all within the community. The tax base will still be there, just in less easy to identify places. Meanwhile, a lot of tax money can be saved that most teams in this league are doing without. Ask me when we are debating about government surpluses and I’ll probably have a different perspective. Ask me now when they can’t afford to pay enough teachers a living wage to give decent classroom rations to all kids in the community, and I’ll vote against tax support for a business interest every time!

  92. dstep24 says: Oct 19, 2011 2:34 AM

    Anything I can do to help out there?

    A letter?

    Anything?

    Wish I could donate catches or somethin…

    Hugs,

    Sidney

  93. skolby says: Oct 19, 2011 2:56 AM

    I said earlier that if the Vikings could field a competitive NFL football team it would be easier to convince the powers that be to build a stadium . However some “assclown” pointed out that the stadium will be built for future teams and not just for this particularly horrible team and that I should read before I write down what I think. I say to you ” assclown”, learn to read between the lines, The Vikings have fifty (50) years of incompetence. The Vikings were not even competitive and any of their four Super Bowls, “they were dominated”!. Even Buffalo came to within a field goal of several feet of winning a Super Bowl against a very good New York Giants team. MY point? I’ve said it before and it bears repeating, the Vikings have broken my heart so many times and have left me broken and crushed as I am their biggest fan. I truly believe if the Vikings go that they will win a Super Bowl within 4 to 5 years after they leave Minnesota-if they stay, my heart truly believes there’ll be another 50 years of incompetence.

    *******************************************

    “I am their biggest fan” – NOT!

  94. 420hippy says: Oct 19, 2011 3:35 AM

    think about how much purple and yellow in LA

  95. jimmysee says: Oct 19, 2011 4:30 AM

    The Vikings and the people of Minnesota are victims of circumstance.

    If republitards and tea party nut jobs were not so totally anti-every-tax, it would be a simple job to set up a stadium financing district, add-on a small sales or other tax, tie the revenues to pay off bonds, put people to work building the facility, and you’re in business. Mission accomplished. Vikings stay another 50 years.

    But the anti-tax crowd has totally poisoned that well.

    And Vikings fans are paying the price.

    Nothing is more certain than death and taxes. If you are going to pay taxes, might as well get something you want from them.

  96. dazdillingeristhevoiceofreason says: Oct 19, 2011 6:13 AM

    dazdillinger213 says:
    Oct 18, 2011 9:26 PM
    Thanks for deleting my post.

    I’ll make this one shorter. The Vikings aren’t leaving so just stop. They are having meetings all this month to get this hammered out. Thanks for making everyone think the Vikes have already packed their bags though! An NFL rep said something we all know. The Vikings will leave IF a stadium agreement is not reached. We all know that. But they are in the middle of reaching one! Now stop with the over the top headlines that you try to make it indicate something that’s it’s not. The Vikings aren’t leaving.

    __________

    Glad to see that you have such faith in th MN politicos.

    I have to say, I’ve just assumed this whole time that eventually they’d get it done, but for the first time I don’t see it happening. Hopefully, you’ll get to keep all of your division title medallions, but they will probably end up going to Cali with the rest of the team.

  97. bresilhac says: Oct 19, 2011 7:18 AM

    Definitely the San Antonio Vikings. The Dome’s in place and just needs a pro football tenant until a new more modern Dome can be built.

  98. bostonhasrealhockey says: Oct 19, 2011 7:40 AM

    Do certain states really NEED 3 or 4 pro teams?? I guess being from here it seems more odd because we have one team for 6 states lol.

  99. bostonhasrealhockey says: Oct 19, 2011 7:40 AM

    Do certain states really NEED 3 or 4 pro teams?? I guess being from here it seems more odd because we have one team for 6 states lol.

  100. vikefan says: Oct 19, 2011 8:15 AM

    jimmysee is right on the money……with republicans and tea party jerkoffs in office, their whole agenda is no more taxes and dont give a damn who or what it affects, they were all voted in at absolute most inopportune time for Vikings, the fact that this moronic state legislature and governors past and present refusal to move on issue in past 6 years or so leaves us to where we are today and elected folks still dont care enuff. 2 elected officials actually commented to me “why should residents pay for private business?” Target Field, Best Buddy, Cabelas in Rogers, the list goes on & on….its time for election and just hit complete reset button on legislature.

  101. santolonius says: Oct 19, 2011 8:17 AM

    you vikings fans who would let your team leave the state to protest some silly penny tax are unbelievable! the vikings will be GONE and all you will have left to entertain you and talk about monday morning will be you political principles. it’s like your mother needed a kidney transplant to live and you decided to let her die and just stare at the pictures because you thought the bill was 10% too high. you are fools and need to wake up. taxes pay for things a community wants. that what taxes are.

  102. MichaelEdits says: Oct 19, 2011 8:25 AM

    Maybe the Vikings can sign a new stadium deal in Minnesota if they cut McNabb. If I was a Minnesota politico, I’d make that part of the deal. That could be one reason why I’ve never been elected to public office.

  103. minkytails says: Oct 19, 2011 8:43 AM

    Build it with no public money. No problem.

  104. starderup says: Oct 19, 2011 8:46 AM

    “People in MN always stick their heads in the sand & hope a problem will go away. ”
    I think you mean snow. Anyway, it is a good idea to move to L.A. Just have McNabb make a donut run, and get the hell out of Dodge before he gets back.

  105. starderup says: Oct 19, 2011 8:48 AM

    “Do certain states really NEED 3 or 4 pro teams?? I guess being from here it seems more odd because we have one team for 6 states lol.”
    Yeah, that’s because some of our counties are bigger than your states.

  106. bigvinnyinjax says: Oct 19, 2011 8:51 AM

    I’m just shocked and pleased that this story was not attached to Jacksonville in any way.

    It’s a great day in J’Town. Except for that whole we-have-a-terrrible-team-and-a-lame-duck-coach thing.

  107. fwippel says: Oct 19, 2011 9:00 AM

    The saddest part about all of this is that if the Vikings leave, it will take the state about one year to realize that they’ve lost a significant revenue source, and then they’ll start trying to lure another team here.

    Problem is, in order to land another team, they’ll have to……wait for it……BUILD A NEW STADIUM!

    Baltimore, St.Louis, Cleveland and Houston all found this out the hard way. All lost teams because of their refusal to help build a new stadium, and all eventually built new stadiums to attract new teams. Let’s hope the Twin Cities learn from history.

  108. dickroy says: Oct 19, 2011 9:05 AM

    I hope the Vikings remain in Minnesota!

  109. otis52gsh says: Oct 19, 2011 9:43 AM

    I don’t want them to leave, that’s two easy wins a year for the Bears. Please stay and keep making those great (favre) moves. It was awesome watching him throw that pick against the saints. You know the play which was the very reason the packers let him go. I think they should go back and get him out of retirement again. I’m sure he still has some heartbreaking losses in him.

  110. prior0knowledge says: Oct 19, 2011 9:49 AM

    Just a reminder for all out here: When a business needs a new large expensive facility or a new business moves into a state, it is common for the state and local governments to pay lots of money to entice them. This usually includes roads, utilities, new highway off-ramps, special police protection, new electric sub-stations, help with the purchase of land, auxiliary buildings, and special tax exemptions. So for those that are saying Minnesota should not provide financial assistance for a billionaire owner, they just do not understand how government and companies combine to build new facilities. Do you have any idea the amount of money that Kia got to build that new factory in Tennessee? Obscene. But if Tennessee did not pay it, Kentucky would have been glad to.

  111. khmer379 says: Oct 19, 2011 9:51 AM

    Oh yea da vikings moving… To there new stadium in arden hill lol am not worry it could happen but I dont see it people just to dam paranoid round here sorry L.A you cant steal two team from the same state

  112. mrvikingsfan11 says: Oct 19, 2011 10:46 AM

    No the league said they want Vikes to stay in Mn and are good for hundred and fifty million towards a new stadium and will help them get stadium. The brand of the Vikings is too big for NFL that they could not afford to give it up. Mn is one of the 5 best places to have and own a pro football team, look it up, these are all facts.

  113. vadog says: Oct 19, 2011 10:54 AM

    I’ve been a Minnesota Vikings fan since 1968. I have followed them through thick and thin, heartbreak, frustration, etc…and I have always been loyal…even though I have lived my whole life in Virginia. If the Vikings leave, I will no longer be loyal to them…I will probably lose most of my interest in professional football…or, I will become a Browns fan as my wife and her family are from Cleveland.

    I think Minnesotans should get used to the idea of not have an NFL team. If the Vikings leave, the NFL is not going to relocate another team to Minnesota…16th largest market just doesn’t cut it I’m afraid. Lose the Vikings, Minnesotans will have to learn to live with being a Packers territory.

  114. hatesycophants says: Oct 19, 2011 11:28 AM

    @khmer379,

    What?

    Go Lions! Go Badgers!

  115. ruvelligwebuike says: Oct 19, 2011 12:00 PM

    Anyone who has spent significant time in Minnesota knows that these people simply don’t deserve to have a team. Sure, there are some diehards, but even they know the truth.

    Minnesotans are just not cut out for this type of thing.

  116. jessethegreat says: Oct 19, 2011 12:12 PM

    As a Packers die hard, I do not want the Vikings to move. I doubt it’s possible with the economy, but why doesn’t the state tell the Wilfs “If we’re going to build you a stadium, we are going to buy the team from you as well.” It would be a pretty sound investment. The Packers have never lost more money than they’ve earned. The salary cap era is here to stay, so by all financial measures, they will always be able to compete with the rest of the league. I’m curious to why the state isn’t looking into this kind of investment.

    I also have some personal reasons I’d like the Vikings to stay. In proximity, I live closer to Minneapolis/St. Paul than to Green Bay. Not to mention that its much easier for me to get Packers at Vikings tickets than Vikings at Packers tickets.

  117. skolby says: Oct 19, 2011 2:43 PM

    Vikings vs Packers 47-51-1
    Vikings vs Bears 46-52-2
    Vikings vs Lions 66-31-2

    And you cheer for us to lose our team and break up the Black and Blue division, it’s not just a clever nickname, IT’S A TRADITION!

  118. jlcarbone says: Oct 19, 2011 3:21 PM

    DULUTH, MN WHERE FOOTBALL ORIGINATED!

  119. bigjim50010 says: Oct 22, 2011 4:53 AM

    I personally can’t wait for the Vikings to move. Mpls is the worst fan base in the US. The supposed “state of hockey” couldn’t even keep a NHL team from moving.
    Lakers, North Stars, Vikings…. well at least you will have the Lynx.

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