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Officials gave 49ers five free yards on game-winning drive

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The bad blood between Jim Harbaugh and Jim Schwartz has so overshadowed Sunday’s 49ers-Lions game that we’ve barely even discussed what the players on the field for these two 5-1 teams did on Sunday.

Unfortunately, we’ve now got another controversy coming out of this game that has nothing to do with the players: At the start of the 49ers’ game-winning drive, they were given five free yards when the officials spotted the ball in the wrong place.

It all started with the Lions leading 19-14 and punting from their own 36-yard line with five and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter. San Francisco’s Ted Ginn fielded the punt at his own 25 and got off a good return, crossing midfield before getting pushed out of bounds at the Lions’ 40-yard line.

And then, when they came back from the commercial break, the officials spotted the ball at the Lions’ 35-yard line, putting the 49ers five yards closer to the goal line. There wasn’t a five-yard penalty, it was simply that the officials put the ball on the wrong yard line following the break in the action. The Lions didn’t notice, the TV announcers didn’t notice, and if any members of the media noticed, it got drowned out in the Harbaugh-Schwartz hubbub. Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com appears to have been the first reporter to mention the issue; he was alerted to it by a fan on Twitter.

It took the 49ers eight plays to go 35 yards, and they eventually scored on a fourth-down pass from Alex Smith to Delanie Walker. Obviously, it’s entirely possible that they would have scored if they had needed to go 40 yards, too. But the Lions would have preferred not to give the 49ers a free five yards on a crucial drive.

The 49ers were called for 15 penalties on Sunday, and they were the ones doing most of the complaining about the officiating after the game, with receiver Michael Crabtree saying referee Mike Carey had an “attitude,” and cornerback Chris Culliver saying the officials were “Detroit fans.” But on balance the bad calls seem to have hurt the Lions more: There was also a questionable ruling that Matthew Stafford’s forward progress had stopped in the end zone on a safety, and a bad horse-collar tackle call against the Lions helped to set up a 49ers field goal.

Maybe instead of yelling at Harbaugh to learn the rules, Schwartz should have been yelling at Carey to learn the rules.

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  1. jrmbadger says: Oct 18, 2011 9:44 AM

    Or Schwartz should have been paying more attention to the game instead of perfecting his fist-pumps.

  2. leofan1234 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:45 AM

    I doubt it would have made a difference.

  3. joetoronto says: Oct 18, 2011 9:47 AM

    Michael Crabtree saying referee Mike Carey had an “attitude.”

    Ha, of all the players in the league to say a referee has an attitude, Mr attitude himself, Michael Craptree.

  4. klunge says: Oct 18, 2011 9:47 AM

    Well, subtract 5 yards from where Walker was tackled on the game-winning score, and he’d have been stopped at the 5-yard line with a turnover on downs. So yeah, it’s possible the spot directly influenced the outcome of the game.

    Shame on Schwartz for not noticing that. How do officials mysteriously move the spot FIVE YARDS??? They could not possibly have been distracted by the commercials.

  5. linebusy says: Oct 18, 2011 9:48 AM

    There was also a play in the 4th where the runner was given an extra 6+ yards when the officials thought he landed on a Lions player and got back up. Replay showed his elbow was clearly on the ground. It set up a 3rd and 1, I believe, instead of a 3rd and 8.

    There were lots of errors in this game. Still, we had the ball with a minute to go and totally gave up. That sort of negates the feeling of injustice that a fan might normally have after so many ball-placement and personal foul gaffs.

  6. jimbobobjr says: Oct 18, 2011 9:49 AM

    HAHAHAHAHA! Michael Crabtree saying someone else has an “attitude!” HAHAHAHAHA!

  7. redsoxaa says: Oct 18, 2011 9:50 AM

    There also was an instance on the final drive where the SF back’s elbow touched down 3 yards shy of where they ended up marking the play making the 3rd down much easier to pick up.

  8. Grulks says: Oct 18, 2011 9:51 AM

    Or maybe Schwartz should learn to be a good sport. Being obnoxious when you win is fine if that’s what you want. Cowboys fans didn’t say ish about his “in your face” fist pump. That’s the benefit of winning.

    But coupled with that, when you rub stuff in people’s faces, or when you talk smack before you win, you gotta man up and take your beatings when you lose.

    So my advice for Schwartz, is to start winning gracefully, bc karma is constant, and that dog has some sharp teeth. Vick pun not intended.

  9. bspurloc says: Oct 18, 2011 9:53 AM

    a W is a W

  10. kingmj4891 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:54 AM

    Gotta love those refs same old same old, the fix is in

  11. nflofficeadmin says: Oct 18, 2011 9:54 AM

    Schwartz will continue practicing his fist pumping bc he has every intention of fisting Harbaugh next time around.. Now get to pumping..

  12. thelomasbrowns says: Oct 18, 2011 9:58 AM

    Don’t forget the bogus chop block on Pettigrew. Instead of being 1st and goal, we were moved way back and Hanson missed a 52-yard field goal.

  13. rayvd says: Oct 18, 2011 9:59 AM

    I was wondering on that safety call and just thought they (the refs) thought he was down. Even though they got that wrong (he wasn’t down yet), wouldn’t the intentional grounding they didn’t call have resulted in a safety anyways?

    Pretty weird mistake on ball placement, I’d be ticked if I were the Lions, but they had plenty of other opportunities as well.

    As to whose team got the worst of the calls, as usual, that depends what tint of lenses you’re looking through. :-)

  14. hairpie says: Oct 18, 2011 10:01 AM

    Hmmm… they must have thought the Steelers* were playing. Silly refs.

  15. tshirttom says: Oct 18, 2011 10:07 AM

    It may sound of sour grapes but I noticed the bad spot and the pettigrew chop block is legal provided the defending player is not engaged with another blocker. The replay showed he was not. I think the 6 or 9 pt swing that it caused changed the outcome of the game. The refs in this league definitely need improvement.

  16. ahs2 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:09 AM

    Schwartz’ fist pumps are coming off the sideline, he actually COMPOSES himself when he approaches and shakes the hands of the opposing coach…BIG difference there!

  17. hatesycophants says: Oct 18, 2011 10:14 AM

    There was also the block in the back on that Ginn return. Still, we lost. Forward.

    Go Lions! Go Badgers!

  18. sonoco says: Oct 18, 2011 10:15 AM

    One way or the other that was a Safety. In the grasp, intentional grounding or we can’t decide because we have our collective thumb up our collective butt.

  19. rabidbillsfan says: Oct 18, 2011 10:17 AM

    @ linebusy

    The only part of a runner that matters is his Knee’s/Legs. He could have run with his facemask across the turf and he still wouldn’t have been ruled down.

  20. bobbyhoying says: Oct 18, 2011 10:19 AM

    I personally believe some refs manage the point spread with questionable penalty calls. If it worked for the NBA why not the NFL? However, spotting the ball five yards further down field is pretty brazen.

  21. Michael David Smith says: Oct 18, 2011 10:21 AM

    @sonoco

    If it was intentional grounding Carey should have called intentional grounding. What Carey called was that Stafford’s forward progress had stopped in the end zone, and that was clearly not correct — he was lunging forward as he threw the ball.

  22. leofan1234 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:22 AM

    klunge says:
    Oct 18, 2011 9:47 AM
    Well, subtract 5 yards from where Walker was tackled on the game-winning score, and he’d have been stopped at the 5-yard line with a turnover on downs. So yeah, it’s possible the spot directly influenced the outcome of the game.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    It may or may not have, but there is no way of knowing if SF would have called the exact same plays in the sequence they did on that drive. So, I stand firm that it wouldn’t have made a difference.

    There were so many bad calls on/for both teams the whole game that may or may not have influenced the outcome of the game. We lost. Period. You can’t go back and take it away. Let’s move on. We have another tough match up this week!

  23. scarletmacaw says: Oct 18, 2011 10:24 AM

    Carey’s squad calls twice as many penalties as any other squad, and they make lots more mistakes.

  24. brooklynniner19 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:28 AM

    49ers still would have won !! Lions defense was horrible. ;)

  25. jaybird304 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:29 AM

    If you didnt notice it then it is your fault lol. That is what challenges are for as well!

  26. lionsftw says: Oct 18, 2011 10:31 AM

    There was also the BS horse collar that got called for a Lions player grabbing a 9ers players jersey that put them into scoring position. Michael Crabtree should be kissing the refs ass because it seems the refs beat the Lions not the 49ers. Crabtree = crybaby bitch

  27. tatum064 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:32 AM

    Doesnt matter…Niners were hitting… Lions havent really diversified their offense, just yet. Have a feeling they will be meeting again in January…unless either of them face GB.

  28. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 18, 2011 10:34 AM

    That’s the most incompetent thing I’ve ever heard of. Don’t they spot the ball immediately after the guy is tackled? Don’t the first down markers get set at that point? What are they doing during the commercial break? Someone should know where the ball is supposed to be and something like this should never happen.

  29. scratchnpost1234 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:36 AM

    So then Walkers down on a 4th and 9 at the 5 yards line not a TD and the ball is turned over and Lions should be 6-0 and the Niners 4-2. Maybe Schwartz WAS yelling at Carey when he said Learn the rules? Walkers catch would not have been a TD and would have been 3 yards short of a 1st down.

  30. mezter says: Oct 18, 2011 10:42 AM

    These Lions fans are still bitching?! The 49ers beat your Lions! End of story! They were the better team. Now shut up!

  31. adembroski says: Oct 18, 2011 10:48 AM

    @rabidbillsfan

    No, if any part of the body BUT the hands or feet touch the ground, the runner is down.

    As for the endzone call, it’s irrelevant. The call was wrong (forward progress), but the correct call (intentional grounding) has the exact same result. Aldon Smith credited with a sack, 2 points for the ‘Niners.

  32. adembroski says: Oct 18, 2011 10:49 AM

    Ugh… if the 49ers had not had that five yards, they would not have run the play they did to score. Maybe they don’t score, but you can’t sit an analyze the slant play because that’s not what they would have run.

  33. scratchnpost1234 says: Oct 18, 2011 10:58 AM

    Can’t argue with the math Whiners. 4th and 9 with a 6 yard pass is ball over on downs and no TD for the Niners. The TD call was correct, the ball did break the plane but it should have been the 3 yardline not the goal line. Not Whining …just sayin , can’t argue with FACTS

  34. jrmbadger says: Oct 18, 2011 11:01 AM

    NFL teams should hire former officials to monitor this kind of stuff. Maybe the same guy who monitors the replays. It’s hard to believe that not one member of the Lions organization noticed this especially considering the situation.

  35. scratchnpost1234 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:02 AM

    The chop block and the safety call were correct as was Walker breaking the plane .The chop block was iffy but Pettigrew DID wind up on the ground and the Niner player was pushed over him. The safety was a safety not because Stafford was down, but because he intentionaly grounded it in the endzone even tho he tossed it towards Best he didn’t get it over the LOS so it’s an automatic safety, an elbow doesn’t mean the Niner RB was down it’s the knee. Learn the rules!

  36. howley1 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:02 AM

    The only part of a runner that matters is his Knee’s/Legs. He could have run with his facemask across the turf and he still wouldn’t have been ruled down.

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    That’s incorrect. The ball carrier is down when any part of his body other than his feet or hands touches the ground and player is contacted by a player from the opposing team, or is caused to go down by contact by a player from the opposing team.

  37. stephenjr311 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:02 AM

    As to the safety, look at the replay. It was not intentional grounding. Stafford attempted to throw it but instead it turned out being a pitch as he was going down. It WAS a fumble and should’ve been 6 points.

  38. scott494949 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:02 AM

    I’m so tired of hearing about the safety call. If it wasn’t a sack, then it was intentional grounding and it would have been a safety anyway. We outplayed Detroit and deserved the win.

  39. dnahojom says: Oct 18, 2011 11:03 AM

    The 49ers got another bonus 4 yards on the go-ahead drive and no one seems to have noticed. Watch the Kendal Hunter run where he gets upended but keeps churning and gets another 4 yards. The officials gave him the continuation because his knee never touched… but his elbow did. You can see it clearly on the replay.

    Bad calls happen in every game. Get over it. The Lions had plenty of calls go their way in this game, especially in the early going. Coaches always tell you that you can’t control the officials, you can only control yourself. If the game is decided by an official’s bad call, you didn’t play well enough to win.

  40. sammievee says: Oct 18, 2011 11:05 AM

    “thelomasbrowns says: Oct 18, 2011 9:58 AM
    Don’t forget the bogus chop block on Pettigrew. ”

    Second or third replay showed it was a text book illegal chop block as the defender was absolutely “engaged” with a lineman. The announcing team was clearly negligent in suggesting it was a bad call then not correcting their error when replay clearly showed them to be wrong. The producer provided the needed replay to verify the illegal block, yet the first line of the broadcast ignored it.

  41. ninerdynasty says: Oct 18, 2011 11:05 AM

    Ugh… if the 49ers had not had that five yards, they would not have run the play they did to score. Maybe they don’t score, but you can’t sit an analyze the slant play because that’s not what they would have run.
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    Those 2 five years were 2 first downs before you dum dumb… no difference on the scoring play

  42. majorseahawk says: Oct 18, 2011 11:06 AM

    Lions got jobbed, Walker also had his knee down before he got into the endzone but they gave it to him anyways. And then they missed an obvious PI on Rogers that made the Lions turn it over on downs and end the game. And now we find out they gave them free yards on the game winning drive, withou which 9ers would have turned it over on the 5 yard line. This kind of stuff makes you wonder if games are scripted.

  43. nghthwk137 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:10 AM

    ninerdynasty got it right. You can’t just say if they change a thing like being 5 yards back things would end the same. You need to think about how much even a little change in anything that has already happened can effect the entire picture. That play wouldn’t have been run. Heck the plays before it might not have been run if they were farther back.

  44. scratchnpost1234 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:11 AM

    No fumble on the safety, QB’s throw shuttle passes all the time like that. He tossed in towards Best and had it gone over the Line of scrimmage it would have been an incomplete pass, since it didn’t it was intentioanl grounding in the endzone and an automatic safety, no problem with that call at all.

  45. kleahy82486 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:17 AM

    Games arent scripted the lions lost they had every opportunity to win that game and didnt the lions are 5-1 were their 5 wins scripted too just shut up and stop whining

  46. svcfilmguy says: Oct 18, 2011 11:18 AM

    Zero sympathy here. It’s absurd to suggest that the Lions would have won if 5 yards were subtracted. They had plenty of chances to win this game. They didn’t. Don’t blame the refs. If you have to point to one play as the reason you lost, you didn’t deserve to win. And wow, people suggesting that this was a fix need to grow up. As if the refs thought 5 extra yards would be such an advantage as to decide the outcome of the game.

    You lost. Get over it.

  47. detroitrollin22 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:26 AM

    The game is over and it’s a new week, both teams and the MEDIA (underlined 5 times) need to focus on week 7

  48. leofan1234 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:29 AM

    Games arent scripted the lions lost they had every opportunity to win that game and didnt the lions are 5-1 were their 5 wins scripted too just shut up and stop whining

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Exactly!! We lost and we are 5-1 and I am not upset with that record. We were going to lose a game eventually. At least it was to a good team! I only wish the loss came on the road.

  49. otis52gsh says: Oct 18, 2011 11:33 AM

    He will come more excuses from the lions fans

  50. otissor says: Oct 18, 2011 11:41 AM

    There were stupid calls all game long for both sides. The Refs were terrible this game.

  51. pigskinswag says: Oct 18, 2011 11:44 AM

    Whoops!

  52. dstep24 says: Oct 18, 2011 11:55 AM

    The floor is about to fall out from under this SF team…just watch.

  53. td40 says: Oct 18, 2011 12:05 PM

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a football season so marred by inept officiating. I mean, it seems like there’s some kind of controversy, however glaring or minute, in just about every game now.

    Don’t get me wrong- I’m neither an SF fan or a Lions fan (though I was happy to see the Lions get taken down a notch before their heads get too swollen and the sports press anoints them kings of the universe..)

    But seriously- it’s BAD this year. But, as usual, there will be no changes made, no real reprimands, no threats to suspend or fire officials who continuously make wrong calls, non-calls, and bad spots. C’est la vie.

  54. statesenator says: Oct 18, 2011 12:07 PM

    We’re moving on in Detroit. We have another game to get ready for on Sunday. Blown calls, luck and general weirdness have always been part of the game. There’s no point in worrying about what could have been.

    Both teams played with their horns locked. We lost this one. Keep moving.

  55. alaricsrevenge says: Oct 18, 2011 12:13 PM

    @ linebusy

    The only part of a runner that matters is his Knee’s/Legs. He could have run with his facemask across the turf and he still wouldn’t have been ruled down.

    ——————————————–

    elbow counts too…..

  56. tombradyswig says: Oct 18, 2011 12:13 PM

    Does not surprise me, part time refs reffing a billion dollar game, makes no effin since at all!!!!

    FIX IT, GOD-ell!!!!!

  57. bradshawlives says: Oct 18, 2011 12:18 PM

    “I didn’t expect profanity. It hurt my feelings….sniff sniff.”

  58. dirtyjersey9er says: Oct 18, 2011 12:29 PM

    The 49ers have been on the tail end of this for years. Feels good to for once be the beneficiary of bad calls.

    But in the end a loss is a loss and complaining now isn’t going to change it to a win because you don’t know what would have happened had that call went differently. Maybe Harbaugh calls a different set of plays and they still score the TD? Or there is always the chance that the 4th and 9 play leads to a first and goal because of the extra yards and now the 49ers are closer to the end zone with 4 plays to make the TD and giving the Lions even less time to get it done? There are more factors playing than just the plays they did during that drive.

  59. derek1800 says: Oct 18, 2011 12:32 PM

    Don’t forget the 3 different penalties on Gores 60 yard run.

    Block in the back – Ted Ginn
    Hands to the Face – Anthony Davis
    Holding – Joe Staley

    And the 1 call on Detroit that wasn’t a penalty.
    HorseCollar – Houston

    That would have been a huge difference in the out come to.

  60. dhoffie1 says: Oct 18, 2011 12:36 PM

    There was a penalty at the end of that punt. It was an illegal man down field, the yardage was added to the end of the run. As for Hunter being down and getting an extra 6 yards, Schwartz “should know the rule” and challenge it next time!!!!!!

  61. stevied23 says: Oct 18, 2011 12:38 PM

    As a life-long Lions fan, I would say they looked pretty lifeless in that game. They were one play away from winning a game in which they didn’t show up for. They lost, I’m ready to move on.

    I’ll say one thing about the post-game dramatics. It was the fault of both coaches. You have Harbaugh jumping around pulling up his shirt like a clown and when Schwartz went to shake his hand, he felt slighted by what happened and chased him down. It was wrong but he goes into every game with a lot of emotion. I would rather have a coach that show’s that level of emotion during a game than a coach like Lovie Smith or Leslie Frazier whom you have to check their pulse to make sure they’re still alive.

  62. dhoffie1 says: Oct 18, 2011 12:44 PM

    The chop block was a good call.
    The safety was ruled in the grasp, whatever that means. As a Niners fan I don’t think it was a safety, but I will take it.
    Schwartz may do all of his fist pumping, like he’s on Jersey Shire, from the other sideline, but other coaches see that garbage. He’s gone to press conferences and called other teams soft, but now that it came at him a little bit, he gets his shorts all in a bunch? Come on, it was a good game. The players played hard, they all made mistakes, but at the end it was hard fought and it came down to the wire. Can you ask for anything more?

  63. ceadderman says: Oct 18, 2011 12:44 PM

    Safety was Questionable?

    NFL Ruling is that if a Safety is imminent and the QB doesn’t get the ball out to the Line of Scrimmage, it’s a Safety. There was nobody near that spot and it was 1 or 2 yards shy of the Line of Scrimmage. Ergo, it’s a Safety. That was a good call.

    How about the dead ball call of Neutral Zone infraction? That is NEVER whistled dead as it is a free play for the Offense and the play goes at snap if the Defender is still in the Neutral Zone, laundry hits the field, QB tries to make something happen and in the event that he fails Offense gets the benefit of the call.

    I completely agree that the Refs sucked but they called more of the game in benefit to the Lions than the 9ers. 5 yards backward against the 9ers would not have changed anything. How about all the holding going on? How about after blowing dead our NZInfraction the Refs missing theirs? Calling False Start on our Line when in point of fact their guys moved across the ball causing our guy to flinch.

    Sorry Lions got dinged but this is one rare instance where we got one over on the opponent. Go back to the beginning of the season and look how many times our guys got pooched by incompetent officiating. My heart bleeds for the opponent. Not.

  64. ceadderman says: Oct 18, 2011 12:50 PM

    Walkers knee never touched til AFTER the ball broke the plane btw. They showed it over and over and over again. Had the call not been Touchdown there would have been no way it gets reversed it was THAT close. It was called on the field so it was confirmed by the booth since it was that close.

  65. truthserum4u says: Oct 18, 2011 1:17 PM

    @ klunge & scratchnpost

    You both assume the 49ers would have gone for the first down (first & 10 from the 12) and failed had they started at the 40 and used the same sequence of plays. But perhaps they would have kicked the fieldgoal on what would have been a fourth & nine from the 11. Actually it’s likely. The outcome could have very well remained the same and only the score being different (21-19).

    There are NO FACTS concerning what someone would have done if things were different.

  66. scratchnpost1234 says: Oct 18, 2011 1:26 PM

    There was a penalty at the end of that punt. It was an illegal man down field, the yardage was added to the end of the run. As for Hunter being down and getting an extra 6 yards, Schwartz “should know the rule” and challenge it next time!!!!!!

    there was no penalty on the punt return. Check the play by play on CBSsportsline gamecast. They called Gin down at the 35 and he was run out of bounds at the 40

  67. scratchnpost1234 says: Oct 18, 2011 1:33 PM

    @ klunge & scratchnpost

    You both assume the 49ers would have gone for the first down (first & 10 from the 12) and failed had they started at the 40 and used the same sequence of plays. But perhaps they would have kicked the fieldgoal on what would have been a fourth & nine from the 11. Actually it’s likely. The outcome could have very well remained the same and only the score being different (21-19).

    There are NO FACTS concerning what someone would have done if things were different.

    Last time I checked a FG is only 3 points and the score would have been 19-18 and they would have had to kickoff to Detroit. The last 3 points came from Detroit going for it in their territory and SF getting the ball and getting another 3 .Those are the FACTS JACK, thank Carey’s crew for the asterisk win there.

  68. scratchnpost1234 says: Oct 18, 2011 1:37 PM

    If the Lions had the lead 19-18 with a little over a minute left in their territory you don’t think the Lions would have punted? Course the way the Niners and gore were gashing the Lions on runs maybe he takes in from 80 yards out. Doesn’t matter, niners got the win, and I’m just having fun, but being a Lionsfan in ninerland you guys shouldn’t gloat too much over it an the bad placement had a direct play in the outcome of the game no matter how hard you try to say it didn’t.

  69. jmadden23 says: Oct 18, 2011 1:37 PM

    This really makes me wonder about the handshake between harbaugh and carry was really about during the final timeout. They missed a block to the back call on that punt return to begin with. The 9ers should have started at around their 15 not detroits 35. Would’ve been a whole different outcome.

  70. truthserum4u says: Oct 18, 2011 1:44 PM

    Michael David Smith says:
    Oct 18, 2011 10:21 AM

    @sonoco

    If it was intentional grounding Carey should have called intentional grounding. What Carey called was that Stafford’s forward progress had stopped in the end zone, and that was clearly not correct — he was lunging forward as he threw the ball.

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    The point he’s making MDS is you can’t complain about a bad call and imply it should have been ruled differently, and ignore the other bad call on the same play that if called correctly would have the same result. The bottom line is the play correctly resulted in a safety and the game was not altered.

    I’ve seen the horse-collar tackle called so many times when it’s been the jersey that was grabbed, I assumed the rule was written to include it.

    I hate to see bad calls go against a team and affect games; but I don’t have any sympathy when it’s within their power to rectify them – throw the challenge flag

  71. truthserum4u says: Oct 18, 2011 2:01 PM

    scratch –

    That’s my point, you don’t know what would have transpired differently. Just like assuming Harbaugh would have called for a 6 yard pass pattern if he needed nine yards for a first down, Detroit punting from their own 25 still could have given the 49ers the ball in decent enough position to move into fieldgoal range in the last minute plus that was left.

    I understand your agravation, but you guys are having a great year and you weren’t going undefeated anyways. There’s a lot of football yet to be played and that doesn’t even take into account the bright future the Lions seem to have waiting for them.

  72. TIM says: Oct 18, 2011 2:35 PM

    Schwartz was totally at fault for the altercation after the game. Harbaugh was celebrating with his players on the field,as he always does after a win,when all of a sudden he turned around and was face to face with JS. Harbaugh shook his hand and patted him on the back (a little too hard for the soft Schwartz) and then went on his way towards the locker room to celebrate some more. Schwartz then went after Harbaugh and bumped him from behind a couple of times like a coward before Harbaugh even realized it was that nutcase Schwartz who was bumping into him. Harbaugh then said ..get out of my face and then JS was the one who started swearing and acting the fool and running around losing his mind. Harbaugh and every sane person was amazed that a nutjob like Schwartz was let out of the mental hospital and is even allowed to be around normal people. How humiliating for the Lions organization that the face of their franchise is a complete lunatic. I am sure that if JH knew JS was unstable that he would have gently shook his hand and been on his way . But then we would have all been deprived of one of the funniest scenes in NFL history when Scwartz ran around like a fool ,with Jh and the Niners players looking on in wonder,scratching their heads and laughing AT Schwartz….LOL !!!

  73. hendeeze says: Oct 18, 2011 3:14 PM

    Hey Schwartz! *Fistpumps*

    – Niner Nation

  74. ninerfan42 says: Oct 18, 2011 4:16 PM

    Well what about the the missed call when Vanden Bosch was clearly off sides when he stripped the ball from Alex Smith or when our TE Walker was simply going in motion and the Lions jumped off sides and yet we were called for a false start and another time when a Lion’s DE jumped and yet they call a false start on Joe Staley. You may not think these 5 yard penalties really matter but it is a HUGE difference when you are on the road and you go from 1st and 10 to 1st and 15. There were PLENTY of missed calls/bad calls for both teams.

  75. ceadderman says: Oct 18, 2011 5:49 PM

    Exactly, ninerfan42. Only reason no 9er fan feels the need to cry about those things is cause we won the game. There were more calls in favor of the Home team than the Visiting team. It’s only due to two very excellent Runs from Frank that our team Won. Refs really couldn’t throw a flag on Holding since it was a Run play (same one both times) and Gore faked blocks only to roll over Detroit’s Defense. That was just awesome. There really is no way to Defense that since he very well could be blocking. Imagine what happens if their Defense tackles him on a Passing play. :D

    But if the Lions fans wish to boo hoo about bad calls they can call up the first 4 games of our season. #15 being denied a clear Touchdown because the Zebra in the back of the End Zone left his coke bottle prescriptions on the bench when he went to get a drink of water. That being just one of 8 really bad calls. And that phantom NZInfraction on a 3rd and 4(or something like that) that extended the series one play too long for the Cowboys who promptly scored on our Defense after Brock fell to the turf. That call isn’t made the 9ers are 6-0 not 5-1. I don’t expect our team would have gone undefeated but I’d be willing to bet that we’ve been the most punked team by the Zebras for a very long time. Going back YEARS.

    Oh and on that return? There was no block in the back. I saw plenty of shots taken in the sides but there weren’t any names being tattooed. That’s straight up false.

  76. rowhe says: Oct 18, 2011 5:51 PM

    It was an ugly game that masqueraded as competitive.
    There were a tons of bad calls and tons of bad play, and finished with a bad show of sportsmanship. Everyone is at fault.

  77. travisblink619 says: Oct 18, 2011 9:53 PM

    Every single team in the NFL has been on the winning AND losing end of a bad call. While, it feels good trying to justify a bad loss by bitching about it, remember that there was a time that a bad call won a game for you before. As long as there is a human factor involved in officiating games, errors will be made, period. Get over it and move on.

  78. moseszd says: Oct 19, 2011 9:16 AM

    rabidbillsfan says:Oct 18, 2011 10:17 AM

    The only part of a runner that matters is his Knee’s/Legs. He could have run with his facemask across the turf and he still wouldn’t have been ruled down.

    Actually, there are only two parts of the players body that can touch ground after defensive contact: Feet and hands. All else mean the player is ‘down by contact.’

    Now, if it’s not by defensive contact, then it doesn’t matter.

  79. moseszd says: Oct 19, 2011 9:24 AM

    scratchnpost1234 says:Oct 18, 2011 10:58 AM

    Can’t argue with the math Whiners. 4th and 9 with a 6 yard pass is ball over on downs and no TD for the Niners. The TD call was correct, the ball did break the plane but it should have been the 3 yardline not the goal line. Not Whining …just sayin , can’t argue with FACTS

    The problem with your juvenile whining rant is that the situation, from the first play would have almost certainly been different because the STARTING CONDITIONS WERE NOT THE SAME. THEREFORE, the entire sequence of plays you rely on so you can ‘justify’ your crybaby ways would have almost certainly been different.

    Once you change one variable, everything past that point is speculation.

    For example, maybe the 49ers at 4th and 9 don’t run a slant? Maybe they hit the WR crossing on the back of the endzone. A slant is a good play for 6 yards. Not for 10. And both Smith and Harbaugh know this…

    Or, maybe since they’re 40-yards out instead of 35 they’re more aggressive. Maybe on the first play they run a pass-play to Vernon Davis pick up 20-yards instead. Then they run the jumbo line package and just run it in…

    Who knows?

    But to pretend ONLY THAT PLAY mattered in a 8-play drive is stupid and shallow.

  80. moseszd says: Oct 19, 2011 9:38 AM

    By-the-way, Schwartz is a punk. This was what happened after Harbaugh a challenge flag on the Burleson TD.

    TV replays showed Detroit coach Jim Schwartz yelling across the field at Harbaugh. He appeared to say, “Know the rules, Harbaugh” — with, perhaps, a little colorful language thrown in there, as well.

    If you read his lips. There’s definately some punk in what Schwartz said. Which is typical of Schwarts. He was like that with the Titans too. Big trash talker.

  81. moseszd says: Oct 19, 2011 9:41 AM

    One last thing for the crybaby Lions fans and the 5-yards:

    When Ginn fielded the ball at the San Francisco 26-yard line, there wasn’t a punt coverage player within 10 yards. After making a couple cuts up field, long-snapper Don Mulbach and linebacker DeAndre Levy closed the running lane at the 35-yard line, but the two collided going in for the tackle, allowing Ginn to squirt free and change directions.

    Your coverage was horrible and you missed the most important special-teams tackle of the game. Don’t want to hear about 5-yards when you blew it and gave up 30 of them yourselves.

  82. P_Willy says: Oct 19, 2011 10:52 AM

    Take the loss and deal with it. Bad calls all over the place. Our DB’s were getting pushed off on some of Calvin’s catches, and upon pointing it out – the ref’s laughing his ass off. How many times was ur O-Line getting away with holding our d-line? We had five sacks and ten QB hits but could’ve had a lot more.

    As for the return, the announcers even called it out @ the 36. Regardless – the “Silver Crush” was chirping all day on the sidelines emploring Jim to “‘Learn the mf rules”… he should learn to pay mf attention.

    To the fools who says the 9ers would’ve faced a 4th and long because of that spot on the final drive: Changing the spot, changes the sequence of plays – meaning it’s highly doubtful if the niners had to face a 4th and 11, and even more doubtful that if they DID, they wouldn’t have Walker run a slant to get 6 yards and hope for the best..

    Referee’s aside – u were outplayed when it mattered, had just under two minutes with 3 timeouts left to go for a game tying fieldgoal. End of story, take the loss and man up.

  83. sixjak says: Oct 19, 2011 5:16 PM

    If if if. If Detroit was a better tam they would have won. Have fun with Turner this weekend. SF just gave the rest of the league the blueprint on how to contain megatron and Suh. They really aren’t that scary as it turns out if you have the right scheme and personel as SF most assuredly does. I do hope for a rematch in the post season. Most likely it will be in SF. You will lose to GB twice and I bet you lose to ATL this weekend. I bet Detroit ends up as an 11-5 wild card and then gets drop kicked in SF. SF vs. GB for NFC Championship game.

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