Raiders go all in with Carson Palmer

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The Raiders are not afraid to test the theory that good teams are built through the draft.

Following the acquisition of Carson Palmer, the Raiders don’t have a pick in the first four rounds of the 2012 draft.  They used three of the picks on the quarterback position alone.

They sent their 2012 first round pick for Palmer.  They used their third round pick in the supplemental draft for Terrelle Pryor.  And the fourth-round pick was used (smartly) to acquire Jason Campbell during the 2010 draft.

The Raiders also sent their second round pick in a trade during the 2011 draft with the Patriots.  (They took Joseph Barksdale and Taiwan Jones in exchange for the picks.)

The Palmer trade is an all-in move.  Nothing less than a playoff appearance would be a massive disappointment. This type of investment is all about winning a title this year or soon.  Palmer should be the team’s starter, for better or worse, for a while.

Palmer’s history with Raiders coach Hue Jackson is one reason to think it will work.  Palmer’s play the last few years is one reason to think it won’t work.

It better work, because the Raiders can’t expect any help on the way from next year’s rookie class.

125 responses to “Raiders go all in with Carson Palmer

  1. I don’t really see any way this ends up being worth it. Palmer is almost 32 and has 4 good years left TOPS, and based on how he’s looked that past couple years, not even clear that these will be good years. But even if they are, 4 good years at QB is not worth two 1sts.

  2. Awful trade. Palmer is a turnover machine, and his arm strength is all but gone. Seriously, watch him these last few years – he can’t drive the football.

  3. Everyone’s bashing this move. Do I think they overpaid? Of course. But the Raiders are 4-2 with no starting QB. They just lost one of the most iconic football figures ever and they probably feel like it’s their duty to try anything to win. I’ll be rooting for them for sure.

  4. Career QB rating of 86.9. Palmer was 6th in the league in passing in 2010 EVEN THOUGH the Bengals averaged a league low 3.6 yards per carry on the ground.

    31 years old QB.

    It’s a win win. Happy for the Raiders nation

  5. Mike brown gets two first-rounders for nothing WHILE having a potential franchise qb?

    Maybe he isn’t as stupid as we think…

  6. he Raiders don’t have a pick in the first four rounds of the 2012 draft.
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    Not really true.

    but they will get 2012 Compensatory Picks

    probably a 3rd for Nnamdi and 2 4th rounders for both Gallery and Miller.

  7. Palmer is great and will be for the next five years,..Mike Brown now has our next years 32nd overall pick,..and he will screw that up. Raider Nation.

  8. We shall see. But this is no way to build a CONSISTENT winner! Oakland may have a winner this year and perhaps next, but they’ve mortgaged their future on these trades. You can’t give up an entire draft class (top 4 rounds) in any given year and not expect to suffer from it. As they say in the NFL, if you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse and if you’re standing still, you’re going backwards. As to this move, I highly doubt that Carson Palmer has enough skills left to play well at the next (playoff) level (assuming they hold off San Diego and win the AFC West). The proof will come in the pudding when the Raiders play Pittsburgh and Baltimore later this year.

  9. I would have thought next years 2nd and maybe the 3rd thrown in — at the most.

    Wow!

    If Mike Brown had turned this down he would have quickly acheived Art Model status as a cities public enemy #1.

  10. A first round pick?! Thank you Raiders. It’s almost as if Mike Brown has no control at all anymore in Cincy. Who Dey!

  11. With McFadden/Bush able to carry this team, Carson Palmer might flourish since he won’t be forced to make the big plays like he often was in Cincy. I wouldn’t put my faith in a guy who hasn’t even had a single practice, let alone real game play, yet this season.

  12. Oakland keeps burning too many high draft picks for players on the decline. When Mike Brown gets the better of you, you have bigger issues than who your starter will be on Sunday.

  13. The Raiders are pleased to introduce our new General Manager… this Ouija Board, which will ensure Al Davis remains in charge of this franchise for the rest of eternity.

  14. At least Jesse James rode a horse, the Raiders just got took and robbed. The writers make fun of the Bengals owner Brown but he is building a good team and a young team and adding top draft choices it was a great move.

  15. The team is counting on the comp picks that theyll get for losing Aso, Miller, and Gallery. Should be a couple of 4th in there. Tell the whole story.

  16. A QB with a shot arm and repaired knee is the future?

    Don’t get me wrong, I hate Phillip Rivers, and promote anyone in that division smashing his face in, but come on.

  17. raiders still get three picks for miller, nnamdi, and gallery…….I mean fact is you can only have 53….so not even sure if a high pick could make this team….who would you cut?

  18. Looks Like at the end of the day the Raiders win.. The Media like to say “haha raiders are dumb”
    But lets see what we got and what the other teams got..
    We get Richard Seymour Pats get Ryan Mallet a back up qb
    We Get Tawian Jones a guy who will become the next Barry Sanders Now Raiders get Carson Palmer and Bengals get a gamble on a rookie..
    At the end of the day Raiders get Palmer and a couple Super Bowl wins and ESPN gets a broken heart

  19. Wondering if you start Palmer this weekend? This moves says that you think you’d be throwing your season away by riding with Kyle Boller for the next several weeks, so how can he command the huddle on Sunday? But then again, how can Palmer come in and QB the offense with only days of practice.

    This isn’t like Aaron Curry, who came in at the end of the week and started on Sunday. A lot more going on in the QB position compared to LB.

  20. I’m inclined to think it will work. Carson will be a better passer with better receivers…(see, Chad Ochocinco dropped passes in NE)

  21. Instead of condemning the trade before Palmer has even played a snap, why doesn’t everyone just wait and see what happens. Thank God none of you are GMs.

  22. big win for the Bungles. They already have their qb and wr of the future and now have an extra #1. Ballsy move for the Raiders. If Carson can regain any of his old mojo this makes them much better at QB even compared to Campbell who was at best a caretaker. But the price was very high. This puts the Raiders in the same area as the Pats, Steelers, Ravens. But I don’t think it puts them above any of them.

  23. edmazeing1 says:
    Oct 18, 2011 11:55 AM
    They needed a decent QB they got one ever one hateing need to shut the hell up damn!!!

    The only thing I’m hating on is your futile attempt to put an intelligent sentence together

  24. The Raiders are good enough to win now, but don’t think what’s happening with the 49ers doesn’t have a little to do with this All In move.

  25. All great,but who does he have to throw to? Palmer wasn’t very good last year with decent recieving corp around him. Not much of an upgrade and they still will not make the playoffs. Terrell Pryor is mad.

  26. So, since the next 2 first rounders are likely already gone, does that mean New England will get a first round pick in like, 2017, when Oakland trades to get Ocho…? lmfao

  27. its about time Mike Brown does something for the cincy fans. and raiders fans hope you have the best o- line out there cause thats the only way he will be productive

  28. huejackson says:
    Oct 18, 2011 12:09 PM
    LWe get Richard Seymour Pats get Ryan Mallet a back up qb
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    Actually Raiders get Seymour an aging Dlineman
    Pats get Nate Solder the guy who has started at RT all season, the guy who was supposed to be better off taking over the LT job next season and supposedly couldnt play RT, yet has played at a probowl level as a rookie at that position

  29. What about the conditionals they will get for Nnamdi and Zach? But that would be actual analysis.

    We will be fine Henny Penny’s. We already have a young team.

  30. Timing couldn’t really be better to bring in Palmer.

    Raiders home against the Chiefs this weekend (should be a win), bye week, then Broncos at home. That’s nearly a month for CP to get up to speed before going to San Diego a very likely 6-2. Meanwhile, Chargers have road games at Jets and Chiefs before coming home to Packers.

  31. It is like when you are out of toothpaste and it is midnight, and you are at the 7-11. You pay through the nose.

    It is called a convenience store, and the Bengals were our 7-11.

  32. God bless the Raiders. As for them banking on compensatory picks, don’t expect much. Performance is part of the formula. Zach Miller has been a ghost in Seattle, Asomugha has been a disappointment and Gallery hasn’t even played a full game yet.

  33. High price for a one or two season rent a QB who has been average at best the past few seasons.

    Senile Al is still making the business decisions of the Raidahs from beyond the grave.

  34. westmantooth says:
    Oct 18, 2011 12:17 PM
    This is quite possibly the most hilarious thing to ever happen in professional football.

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    Definately one of the more whoomo comments I’ve ever seen.

  35. The Raiders probably could have gotten Brian Hoyer from the Patriots for less than two #1’s.

    Terrible trade for the price it cost.

  36. I think Carson will play well behind that strong O line of Oakland and he is a way better option than Vince young. Mike Brown needs to take up poker he has the best pokerface I’ve seen in a while WHO DEY!!!!!!

  37. I recall a few years back the Raiders trading a first round pick for Richard Seymour and getting lambasted universally for being “fleeced”. Seemed to work out OK for the Raiders.

    Just sayin….

  38. @huejackson

    Do you even pay attention to transactions? Or are you trying hard to make this revisionist history? The pick New England used to get Ryan Mallett was acquired from Minnesota in the Randy Moss trade.

    The Pats got Nate Solder for Richard Seymour via the pick traded to the Pats.

    Carson Palmer as it stands right now is not worth a 1 and a 2 considering how he played the past few seasons. There is the chance those bad seasons could be blamed on the team around him or the injury a few years back. But as of right now you will get killed for making this trade.

    Donovan McNabb was coming off a pretty good season in 2009(Struggles against Dallas not withstanding) and the Eagles got a 2010 2nd and a 2011 4th for him. He was coming off far better play than Palmer was last season.

    There is a chance that Cincy gets 2 first round picks for Palmer. Of course if that one pick becomes a first rounder that means Palmer was good enough for that trade to work out for Oakland too. But at worst it’s a 2nd round pick for Cincy.

  39. The Raiders didn’t overpay, they did what it took to get the best available option. Garrard just had surgery, Vince Young is a bust, and Palmer — though he’s never going to live up to his Elite promise — was the best QB not starting every week.

    Even though they’ve had some busts, they have some promising young talent like RunDMC, Bush, Denarius, Heyward-Bey, Taiwan…a guy like Palmer can probably carry OAK for the next two-three years while they groom a rookie that can hopefully lead them for a decade.

  40. High price, but did the Raiders really have a choice? When your options are guys like Vince Young, no price is too high to get a legitimate starting QB. The same people criticizing this deal are the same people that blasted Jason Campbell. Well now the Raiders don’t have to rely on Campbell. It would have been nice if the Raiders could have signed a decent free agent and kept the draft picks, but the picking were slim. Besides, the Raiders are young and don’t need more questionable draft picks. They need leadership. In my view, the Raiders made the best of a bad situation.

  41. Seriously, I could read these raider fans comments all day trying to justify this trade, it’s hilarious. Stop acting like JaMarcus never gave you anything, he obviously left you his recipe for purple drank.

  42. Last time the Raiders had an over-the-hill, pure pocket passing quarterback was Rich Gannon… didn’t turn out too bad now did it?

    Need to wait and see what happens before people start ripping/praising the trade…

    Two 1st’s may end up being way worth it… could end up not being worth jack sh!t. its 50/50 at this point which way it will go…

  43. Are the Raiders ever going to Value the Draft? Oh Well. I hope the Chargers are paying attention. Lets see who gets the Stadium in LA.

  44. @angrycorgi

    In their defense the injury to Campbell didn’t give them many options. I am sure they would have tried for Kolb or someone in the off-season had they known this would happen.

  45. its so easy to say the raiders got robbed, when the raiders hadnt played a game with palmer! hell i would want to be exiled out of cincy too! Do we forget who rich gannon was before he got to oakland? this deal is very expensive but remember all those idiots who hated Gannon? how did that turn out??? as for the draft picks, hell mike brown is a terrible owner as we all know anyway.

  46. “Nothing less than a playoff appearance would be a massive disappointment.”

    uhhh … what does THAT mean?

    That English is a bad as Carson’s football … i’m guessing you meant:

    “ANYTHING short of … “, or
    “NOTHING except …”

  47. If that was Cincy’s asking price….then I’m really, REALLY happy Seattle went ahead and signed Tavaris Jackson.

  48. All in? I’ll say. They have to be thinking Super Bowl by the 2012 season. The lack of cap room and draft picks will start taking a heavy toll by 2013 at the latest.

  49. trbowman says: Oct 18, 2011 11:57 AM

    They could have had Vince Young, who’s better than Palmer at this stage, for a much lower price.
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    Ah ha ha!

    Thanks for the laugh.

  50. bottom line..Palmer is a cry baby who is making millions and will now bring that sappiness to Oakland…

    Cincy went with an unproven rookie rather than having Palmer earn his money..he is a knee sprain away from ending up in KC..that is the spot where ‘SC QBs go to die…

    I think the rest fo the AFC West are a little happier than the Raiders are right now…

    Go Bolts!

  51. jdsteady says:
    Oct 18, 2011 12:42 PM
    I recall a few years back the Raiders trading a first round pick for Richard Seymour and getting lambasted universally for being “fleeced”. Seemed to work out OK for the Raiders.
    Just sayin….
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    Hey genious, apples to oranges — a few years back Seymour was probably the top DL in NFL and OAK only gave up one #1 for him. (and I still think that was a bit much). Now in order to replace JCampbell you give up possibly TWO #1’s to acquire another…JCampbell.

    Bad trade.

  52. pastabelly says:
    Oct 18, 2011 12:01 PM
    Oakland keeps burning too many high draft picks for players on the decline. When Mike Brown gets the better of you, you have bigger issues than who your starter will be on Sunday.

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    No idea what you’re talking about.

    You mean dealing a 7th rounder for a top-5 overall pick from a couple of years ago in Aaron Curry? That’s not a high draft pick and Curry is on the ascension, not decline.

    Or are you talking about getting Richard Seymour, who already has 5 sacks this season and is the team leader and has been as much a force at changing the locker room as he is in collapsing the pocket.

    Both of those trades were absolute steals for the Raiders.

  53. Go ask the Pats how many playoff games they’ve won and how their defense has fared since sending Seymour to Oakland.

  54. Ok, guys, listen up.

    First, Palmer is not the future of the Raiders. He is the present, a band-aid to help keep their momentum moving. No one expects him to be there for the next 10 years as a franchise QB. He is better than Boller even with mittens on.

    Second, the Raiders have so much young talent that not having that many picks next year may not be as painful as it looks.

    Third, look at what the Seymour trade did. Everyone thought they were nuts to give a 1st rounder for him, but he made our defense what it is. He was worth the pick, maybe even two. They are probably hoping Palmer does for the offense what Seymour did for the defense.

    Finally, Campbell is a good QB, but it not like we just lost Peyton Manning. He is not THAT irreplaceable!

  55. angrycorgi says:
    Oct 18, 2011 12:51 PM
    So….It was Carson Palmer or Vince Young? The new Raiders sure don’t aspire very high when looking for talent at the signal-caller position.

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    You’re right. We should’ve dealt for Aaron Rodgers instead.

    Nitz.

  56. Love this move. Love it, Love it, Love it. The Raiders have young talent all over the roster. What they needed was a vet QB who could get the ball to the speedy WR’s, and they have done that. Campbell was decent, but Palmer makes the Raiders a division champion caliber team. It’s a steep price, but they have their QB now, along with a bunch of young talent to put around him. They’ve just made themselves a much better team and a contender.

  57. suckafree67 says: Oct 18, 2011 1:24 PM

    bottom line..Palmer is a cry baby who is making millions and will now bring that sappiness to Oakland…

    Cincy went with an unproven rookie rather than having Palmer earn his money..he is a knee sprain away from ending up in KC..that is the spot where ‘SC QBs go to die…

    I think the rest fo the AFC West are a little happier than the Raiders are right now…

    Go Bolts!
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    The Dolts don’t have the balls or the money to make a move like this, that’s why their trophy case is bare, loser.

  58. @oldbrowndog,

    You can’t give up an entire draft class (top 4 rounds) in any given year and not expect to suffer from it. As they say in the NFL, if you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse and if you’re standing still, you’re going backwards. As to this move, I highly doubt that Carson Palmer has enough skills left to play well at the next (playoff) level (assuming they hold off San Diego and win the AFC West). The proof will come in the pudding when the Raiders play Pittsburgh and Baltimore later this year.
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    You should really research the topic before commenting. They did not give up an entire draft class. Here’s what they did:

    2012 draft picks:

    1st round: Carson Palmer
    2nd round: Taiwan Jones and Joseph Barksdale
    3rd round: Terrell Pryor
    4th round: Jason Campbell

    So as you can see, they did not just give away picks. They got players for them; 3 young and 2 vets. Palmer also makes them much better immediately. I love it when people criticize something without taking into account that players were actually acquired with the picks.

  59. huejackson says:
    Oct 18, 2011 12:09 PM
    LWe get Richard Seymour Pats get Ryan Mallet a back up qb
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    jpak12 says:
    Oct 18, 2011 12:28 PM
    Actually Raiders get Seymour an aging Dlineman
    Pats get Nate Solder the guy who has started at RT all season, the guy who was supposed to be better off taking over the LT job next season and supposedly couldnt play RT, yet has played at a probowl level as a rookie at that position
    — — —
    @jpak12- The ‘aging Dlineman’ trade worked because Seymour has completely changed the culture in that locker room and the attitude on the Dline.

    @huejackson- The Raiders gave a 1st for Seymour and the Pats didn’t draft Mallet until the 3rd. Your commments on here are weak sauce and you need to change your username. Jackson is looking like a good coach and you’re sullying that good name. Seriously, you’re done. Thanks for playing.

  60. The Raiders didn’t give up 2 1st round picks like most are saying. The Bengles get 2 only if the Raiders win a playoff game this season, if they don’t then the 2013 pick turns into a 2nd. Still way to much for a 32 year old.

  61. Palmer not good for the speedy WR’s the Raiders have..that being said why didnt the Bengals go after 1 of them + get a pick..Raiders would’ve paid and Bengals could’ve had 2 really good wideouts for Dalton for the future

  62. Had Carson’s knee not been destroyed in 2005 it may have been Pittsburgh watching the SB @ home.

    Really.. how many QB’s have the Raiders had in the last 10 years that have been part of an 11-5 season and thrown for over 400o yards?

    Not many QB’s could have done any better in Cincinnati during the last 8 years.

    Palmer is a huge upgrade from Campbell.

  63. Some stats to prove Carson wasn’t the reason the Bengals haven’t been in the SB. Who else is available to the Raiders that have these numbers?

    Bengals franchise records
    Highest Passer Rating, Career (Min. 500 attempts) – 89.0[19]

    Highest Passer Rating, Season (Min. 14 attempts/team game played) – 101.1 (2005)[20]

    Highest Completion Percentage, Career (Min. 200 attempts) – 63.8%[19]

    Most Completions, Season – 373 (2005)[20]

    Most Passing Yards, Season – 4131 (2007)[20]

    Only Bengals QB to pass for 4000 yards in a season (twice; 2006–2007)[20]

    Most 300+ Yard Passing Games, Season – 5 (2007; tied w/Boomer Esiason, 1987)[21]

    Most Touchdown Passes, Season – 32 (2005)[20]

    Most Touchdown Passes, Game – 6 (9/16/2007 at Cleveland Browns)[22]

    Most Consecutive Games w/Passer Rating over 100 – 9 (NFL Record; tied w/Peyton Manning and Tom Brady)[22

  64. autumnwind999 says: Oct 18, 2011 1:28 PM

    Go ask the Pats how many playoff games they’ve won and how their defense has fared since sending Seymour to Oakland.
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    They don’t like that question, AW, they really don’t.

  65. rtl1984 says:
    Oct 18, 2011 11:57 AM
    Mike brown gets two first-rounders for nothing WHILE having a potential franchise qb?

    Maybe he isn’t as stupid as we think…
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    Don’t forget the fact that he’s saving a ton of money by paying Dalton pennies compared to what Palmer is receiving. There is a knock on Brown for being cheap, but this move not only saved him money, but it also gives him more cap room in the future for those picks and eliminates the possibility of Palmer trying to force his hand coming back.

  66. I’m pretty sure if Al Davis were still here, this would not have happened. So no first rounders for two more years…. not smart. Palmer hasn’t been good his the ACL tear in the playoffs.

  67. For those who think Carson Palmer is a joke…answer this.

    What has TJ Houshmazadeh or Chad Ochocinco done without him???

    Heisman Trophy Winner + Powerful arm = Raider.

    Al Davis lives!

  68. I’m not as down on Oakland in this trade as most. As a Steelers fan, I remember playing Palmer back in 2005-2006 before the organization fell apart around him. Go look up his stats if you don’t remember. He was a beast.

    If *that* Palmer shows up in Oakland, with McFadden to take much of the defensive focus off of him, he could be an immediate impact. On a 4-2 Oakland team, with San Diego looking beatable, I can understand the thought process.

  69. Carson Palmer is good for the Raiders, but the Raiders overpaid. Really overpaid.

    The Bengals are so happy right now that if you call their office, they may all be on vacation. Christmas came early.

    Think about it: Carson Palmer is a guy with seriously diminishing skills. What you basically did is pay a 1st round pick for… Donovan McNabb. Just watch. He may even be worse.

    I’m telling you: McNabb is really happy because he knows that he’s an injury away from some other desperate team needing a backup.

  70. 2011 Jason Campbell (5)
    2010 Jason Campbell (12) / Bruce Gradkowski (4)
    2009 JaMarcus Russell (9) / Bruce Gradkowski (4) / Charlie Frye (3)
    2008 JaMarcus Russell (15) / Andrew Walter (1)
    2007 Josh McCown (9) / Daunte Culpepper (6) / JaMarcus Russell (1)
    2006 Andrew Walter (8) / Aaron Brooks (8)
    2005 Kerry Collins (15) / Marques Tuiasosopo (1)
    2004 Kerry Collins (13) / Rich Gannon (3)
    2003 Rick Mirer (8) / Rich Gannon (7) / Marques Tuiasosopo (1)
    2002 Rich Gannon

    And NOW Carson Palmer….. This could finally be the QB to get this team back to double digit wins after all this time!

  71. “The Raiders are not afraid to test the theory that good teams are built through the draft.”

    15 of 22 starter drafted. But hey you have the pen right?

  72. OK, all you guys who think that the Raiders had better options out there. Who SHOULD they have taken?

    Garrard? Bad back.
    Vince Young? Really?
    Kyle Orton? There is a reason they rushed Tebow in there.

    Kyle Boller is going to single-handedly ruin what this team has done so far this season. Terrell Pryor doesn’t even count as a player yet.

    What would have been REALLY cool was for them to bring back Bruce Gradkowski for 2 lower round picks…

  73. huejackson says:
    Oct 18, 2011 12:09 PM
    But lets see what we got and what the other teams got..
    We get Richard Seymour Pats get Ryan Mallet a back up qb
    We Get Tawian Jones a guy who will become the next Barry Sanders Now Raiders get Carson Palmer and Bengals get a gamble on a rookie..
    At the end of the day Raiders get Palmer and a couple Super Bowl wins and ESPN gets a broken heart
    ================================
    The Patriots got Nate Solder with the draft pick from Oakland. Ryan Mallet was a third round pick. Solder is a starter on the offensive line already as a rookie and makes about $8.5 million less on the cap than Seymour. As a Pats fan, I love the deal. Of course, Oakland gave up a lot more for Palmer. He is a decent but not upper echelon quarterback. Still scratching my head that Oakland was taken by Mike Brown, of all people.

  74. Good luck with Carson Palmer. He hasn’t looked the same since the knee injury. Also, just because someone is the best available, that doesn’t necessarily make them great, or even good for that matter. A grand total of two winning seasons in Palmer’s entire career. Hope he’s been working out because the price was really high.

  75. Look like Mark Davis is taking after Al, the senile Al, not the championship Al.

    This will also place the Raidahs in salary cap hell along with having no draft picks until the 5th round next year.

    Well back to suckage Raidah Nation, at a time when it looked like the Raidahs were making a trip away from mediocrity.

  76. Campbell had enough talent around him to be decent, but while he did some good things this season, he also made his fair share of bad plays. In two lumbering runs last Sunday where he failed to slide he lost a fumble, broke his collar bone, and forced his team to take a huge gamble on a questionable quarterback. If Oakland gets deep into the playoffs this year and next, and they can develop Pryor, it might work out. If not, it’s going to be ugly.

  77. crazysandude says:
    Oct 18, 2011 1:40 PM

    Really.. how many QB’s have the Raiders had in the last 10 years that have been part of an 11-5 season and thrown for over 400o yards?

    Not many QB’s could have done any better in Cincinnati during the last 8 years.
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    Yet, there’s a rookie in Cincy who’s playing better already than Palmer has over the last several years.

    Palmer is shot. I hope I’m wrong because I find myself rooting for the Raiders, but come on, panic move and paid way too much.

  78. autumnwind999 says: Oct 18, 2011 1:28 PM

    Go ask the Pats how many playoff games they’ve won and how their defense has fared since sending Seymour to Oakland.

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    Isn’t it the same number of playoff appearances the Raiders have made since Seymour joined the team?

  79. remember when Dikta went “all in” on Ricky Williams? that turned out great…the Raiders are done. Palmer won’t do anything for them this year, they’ll come up short of the playoffs and because of these idiotic trades, they’ll be stuck in a hole for the next few years.

  80. I do not agree with the writer’s comment that the Raiders will get no help in the 2012 draft. They will still get good development role players and maybe a lucky gem of a star in the later rounds and a bunch of undrafted college players. The NFL draft is about who wins 3 stages of it. Round 1, middle rounds, late rounds. We can’t forget this fact. There are thousands of colleges pumping out thousands of good developmental players every single year. The Bears went to the Super Bowl a few years back while trading away all of their picks until round 4. And they found 5 starters on that team in the latter rounds.

  81. autumnwind999 says:
    Oct 18, 2011 1:27 PM
    pastabelly says:
    Oct 18, 2011 12:01 PM
    Oakland keeps burning too many high draft picks for players on the decline. When Mike Brown gets the better of you, you have bigger issues than who your starter will be on Sunday.

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    No idea what you’re talking about.

    You mean dealing a 7th rounder for a top-5 overall pick from a couple of years ago in Aaron Curry? That’s not a high draft pick and Curry is on the ascension, not decline.

    Or are you talking about getting Richard Seymour, who already has 5 sacks this season and is the team leader and has been as much a force at changing the locker room as he is in collapsing the pocket.

    Both of those trades were absolute steals for the Raiders.

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    No, I have no idea what You are talking about, sir.

    How does what pastabelly said not make sense to you? He is obviously referring to the Seymour/1st and the Palmer/1st+2nd trade. I have no idea how you got to the Curry/7th trade, since he said “burning too many HIGH draft picks”. Are you under the impression that a 7th rounder is a high draft pick?

    Furthermore, he’s absolutely right in his point that trading 1st and 2nd rounders for players aged 30+ isn’t a sound strategy for NFL teams. While both good players, and good leaders, you cannot deny that they will soon start their inevitable decline. So you’ll have a few years of high level play, but you’ll miss out on several careers of high, 1st/2nd round level play.

    Please, someone, anyone- tell me how that doesn’t make sense? Anyone who thinks that either the Seymour or Palmer trades were steals for the Raiders are clearly too deluded to have a rational conversation with. Try to remember that these trades do not put the Raiders into serious Superbowl contention, and will hinder their future. Sounds like they lost these trades to me. If you disagree, tell me why in a rational, coherent way, and we’ll have a level-headed discussion about it…

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