Second first-round pick for Palmer comes from playoff win

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During Monday’s Raiders-Bengals edition of PFT Live, FOX’s Jay Glazer said that the Bengals get a second first-round pick if the Raiders win a playoff game in 2011.  Otherwise, the Bengals get a first-round pick in 2012 and a second-round pick in 2013.  ESPN’s Chris Mortensen also has reported these basic terms.

Here are a few quick takes regarding the deal.

1.  With the new CBA implementing a real rookie wage scale, first-round picks are worth more than they were before 2011, especially in the upper reaches of the round.  Teams can now acquire blue-chip talent at far lower pay, squatting on them for at least five years.  At a time when not many players have been yielding first-round picks via trade, the possibility that the Raiders will give up two of them for Palmer is stunning.

2.  Even if Palmer stinks and the Raiders otherwise make it to the postseason and win one game, the compensation becomes two first-rounders.  It’s unknown whether the Raiders pressed for a trigger based on Palmer’s performance, but given the way he played last year, it would have made sense to get such protection.

2.  The Broncos may be kicking themselves for sending receiver Brandon Lloyd to the Rams for a sixth-round pick that can become a fifth-round pick.  After the Palmer deal, it seems that maybe the Broncos could have done better.

3.  Or not.  The Palmer trade could make it difficult if not impossible to get any more trades accomplished before this year’s deadline, since the team with the player who would be traded will (or at least should) start the talks by pointing out what the Raiders gave up for Palmer.

4.  Palmer reportedly has said he’ll never again set foot in Paul Brown Stadium.  Under the current scheduling formula, he will next year.

5.  If the Raiders win the AFC West and the Bengals capture a wild-card berth, Cincy could face a no-lose situation in the postseason, if the playoff tree sends Cincinnati to Oakland.  Win the game and advance, lose the game and get a second first-round pick.

6.  As Paul Gutierrez of CSN Bay Area pointed out during PFT Live, Raiders coach Hue Jackson clearly is running the show in Oakland.  And he’s taking a big risk that Palmer won’t be worth the price that was paid.  Which could eventually limit Jackson’s influence, if Palmer doesn’t deliver.

7.  As Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer pointed out during PFT Live, the Bengals ultimately can thank the Browns for helping the Bengals get up to two first-round picks for Palmer.  If the Browns don’t break Jason Campbell’s collarbone, Palmer doesn’t get traded until 2012, at the earliest.

8.  Palmer’s decision not to file retirement papers made it easier for the deal to go down quickly, since Palmer didn’t have to send a letter to the Commissioner with a request to be reinstated to the active roster.

9.  If receiver Chad Ochocinco gets cut by the Patriots, his beeline to the Bay may not happen.  There’s a belief that Palmer has had enough of Chad, and that Palmer wouldn’t want to play with him again.

10.  Terrelle Pryor’s career is now on hold indefinitely, unless he enters the game in a Wildcat package or plays another position.

11.  Carson Palmer eventually got what he wanted, without drawing much criticism.  As others in the media have pointed out, it’s hard to imagine other players essentially quitting on their team to force a trade and not being called out aggressively.

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48 responses to “Second first-round pick for Palmer comes from playoff win

  1. 5. If the Raiders win the AFC West and the Bengals capture a wild-card berth, Cincy could face a no-lose situation in the postseason, if the playoff tree sends Cincinnati to Oakland. Win the game and advance, lose the game and get a second first-round pick.
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    There is some serious flawed logic here. No team would rather lose a playoff game and get a 1st than win and get a 2nd. If you lose, you’re out of the playoffs. Who cares about the pick changing from a 2nd to a 1st.

  2. I despise this trade. This was a back alley mugging and The Raiders are left in a crumbled ball laying beside a garbage can.

  3. Raiders, When Cambell is healthy and ready to go. Trade him back to us, Can’t see going into next season with Grossman and Beck. We miss you buddy.

  4. So the Raiders have to win a playoff game for it to be a first round pick… So basically, Carson Palmer for a 1st and 2nd, still an absolute steal for the Bengals. Got a 1st and 2nd for a guy who wasn’t going to ever play for them again anyway. Amazing how stupid the Raiders are.

  5. jessethegreat says:Oct 18, 2011 2:07 PM

    5. If the Raiders win the AFC West and the Bengals capture a wild-card berth, Cincy could face a no-lose situation in the postseason, if the playoff tree sends Cincinnati to Oakland. Win the game and advance, lose the game and get a second first-round pick.
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    There is some serious flawed logic here. No team would rather lose a playoff game and get a 1st than win and get a 2nd. If you lose, you’re out of the playoffs. Who cares about the pick changing from a 2nd to a 1st.
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    He never they would rather lose. He just said it was a no lose situation. In other words, if that were to happen, they get something very good either way.

  6. “In a shocking turn of events, the Raiders just blew a 35-point 4th-quarter lead here in the Wild Card matchup against their California foe San Diego Chargers. Even more surprisingly, Raiders personnel are smiling on the sidelines.”

  7. 11. Carson Palmer eventually got what he wanted, without drawing much criticism. As others in the media have pointed out, it’s hard to imagine other players essentially quitting on their team to force a trade and not being called out aggressively.
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    I think this has a lot more to do with the fact, no one really cared outside of Cincy what Carson was doing. He hasn’t been the same QB since ’06. He has almost no mobility and can be easily rattled. He honestly looks like he is still afraid of his knee folding on him again. While he MIGHT be an upgrade on Campbell, he’s not going to be the difference maker that a lot of Raiders fans think they’re getting.

  8. Who in the world thought ocho would be making a “beeline to the Bay”?

    Have the writers at this site watched a Raider game this year or even glanced at a roster?

    Proceed with your ignorant Raider hating, I have playoff tickets to buy.

  9. PALMER COULDNT WIN WITH 2 PRO BOWL WRs AND KNOWING THE SYSTEM AND HAVING OTAs, MINICAMPS, TRAINING CAMP and 6 GAMES UNDER HIS BELT. Mike Lynn is happy this will make people forget HERSHEL WALKER TRADE!

  10. yep raiders suck, cue the haters. Same crap i read when the raiders traded a first rounder for seymour, whose best days were behind him as well if I recall

    and for the haters and losers out there who think you can win by losing, (especially in the playoffs, lmao) just tattoo a giant ‘L’ on your forehead so you can brand yourself what you really are….

    JUST WIN BABY!!!!! with Carson

  11. Why would the Broncos be kicking themselves on the return of the Lloyd trade? First off, QB’s get more value anyways. 2nd, this trade was viewed as a surprise, not the norm.

  12. I thought Al was crazy but Hue makes him look sane. A 1st and a 2nd (minimum) for a 32 year old QB who hasn’t played at a high level since before Jamarcus Russell was drafted.

  13. Wow… the Bengals won on this trade. Palmer is kinda washed up at this point, look at last year. He missed throws high and gets his WR’s killed AND they are WINNING w/o him. I know he has history with the Coach Jackson but a 1st round pick?!? . They could have gotten a better player for a lesser pick. NOT TO MENTION THE PANSY QUIT ON HIS TEAM.

  14. “The Broncos may be kicking themselves for sending receiver Brandon Lloyd to the Rams for a sixth-round pick that can become a fifth-round pick. After the Palmer deal, it seems that maybe the Broncos could have done better.”

    Yes, but isn’t Lloyd a free agent after this year (meaning he could walk to another team) while Palmer is signed for several more years? That’s a big difference. One guy is locked up, the other guy isn’t.

  15. This reminds me of when the Sixers traded for Chris Webber. We thought we we’re getting a great player but he was on the decline , and now Oak will be getting a good QB who will never be elite again, enjoy Raider nation. Cincy just made Philly’s trade for Kolb seem like a fair deal. TRADE OF THE YEAR !!!

  16. Now what do you do with Campbell? Not to mention the draft pick spent on Pryor who’s got to be in better football shape than Palmer at this point. It’s the best 1st,2nd and 3rd quarterback set the Raiders have had in a long time once they are all ready to play but damn, two high picks for Palmer?

  17. The only reason you don’t hear anything about Palmer is cause Cincy is winning if they didn’t win any games I bet you would hear something. I still think the Raiders gave up way to much

  18. Let’s pause and assess the mess that is the faiders, shall we. The faiders are spent to the cap and now they have no pick in the 1,2,3, and 4th rounds of the 2012 draft. No money and no picks, now there is a sound plan. That is the sort of plan that ought to have the best GMs in the business knocking down the door in oaktown to get in. In exchange they get an aged QB whose team is more productive without him. Facinating subtraction by addition.

  19. I`d have done the same thing if I was Palmer. Even though he is going to the Raiders it`s a definite upgrade from the Bengals. yes, the Bengals are doing well right now but history for the past 20 years shows that the Bengals have been the worst run team in all of pro sports. Even ESPN the magazine ranked them dead last of all pro teams (NFL,MLB,NBA,NHL)
    Just mark my words that Mike Brown will find a way to ruin this team he has now. It`s happened so many times in the past. He has a decent team now by default. Plus there are 10 games to go in a tough division.
    As long as Mike Brown is in charge you will never see a consistent winning seasons in Cincy. I`m not a Bengals or Browns fan. I just live close to the situation and I see what`s happening.

  20. From now on, whenever someone criticizes your favorite team for some stupid thing they did, you can say, “At least they’re not the Raiders!”

  21. Carson never really had apt to work with. TO in his last year in the NFL is not the real TO. how do we know that Palmer didn’t make 85 what he was? He hasn’t dome crap in NE! Hoosh didn’t do anything once Palmer wasn’t throwing to him anymore either. Coincidence? Maybe he makes a average receivers good!

  22. Raiders are stupid.

    Palmer wasnt called out because he kept his mouth shut and everyone saw the situation in Cincy as bad. No one was behind Brown at all. Now he looks like a genius.

  23. Possibly 2 first rounders for Carson Palmer? LOL, did Al Davis come back from the dead to make this trade? Listen , Palmer is a shell of his former self and even at his best he isnt wotyh 2 first round picks. This will go down as one of the worst trades in history. Palmer will be a bust just watch. Opps will be able to stack the line now on McFadden .

  24. I’m a diehard Bengal fan and I honestly hope Palmer does well. Mike Brown, while looking like a genius in this trade, is still an awful owner. Palmer isn’t the first Bengal superstar to complain about the Bengals.

  25. It’s funny how some posters here think they know what GMs and scouts know. Palmer didn’t quit on the Benglas – he just refused to play for Mike Brown. No one knows what went on behind closed doors, and Palmer didn’t reveal the details to the nedia. But the media apparently was generally aware of the private issues, and didn’t fault Palmer for his position. Everyone knew that Brown could trade Palmer for value, and his refusal to do so seemed petty and vindictive. The bounty Brown reaped is more circumstantial than savvy – time will tell whether the Raiders were foolish or lucky ( lucky if Palmer has the skill worthy of two No. 1s).

  26. I have read the comments here and on another article. Re: Chad Johnson. If you think he has been overrated as a receiver, I would suggest you turn to soccer or volleyball. He had six, that is 6, consectutive years of 1,000 or more yards, averaged in the 13-15 yd/per catch, You might not know that the receiver has to be open before the qb can make a connection. It is truly an act that takes two.

    P.S. I am not a Bengal fan, have just watched them a lot.

  27. Heres an example of just how stupid this trade is.

    Herm Edwards loved it for the fade.

    Herm was born to be the fades head coach.

  28. There won’t be a middle ground on this trade. It will either turn out brilliant for Oakland. Or it will stink up the Bay. BIG TIME! I personally wish Carson well. He was trending toward being a great one, before very unfortunate circumstances occured. If the pre-injury Carson shows up with a chip on his shoulder. And he adjusts quickly to the “Raider Way”. Look out for any team in the playoffs. It could be Jim Plunkett redux! The Raiders would be loaded with Campbell coming back for reserve and Pryor secure for the future (2-3 years out).

    However, if the timid and emotionally scarred, post injury, post OchoTO, basket case Carson Palmer shows up. The Raiders made a huge mistake.

    The Raiders figure they can get a number 1 or 2 draft choice back in 2012 by trading Palmer or Campbell. But this was a bold gamble anyway you look at it. I applaud the Raiders for acting decisively. And not wasting their season and hope on Kyle Boller.

  29. There is some serious flawed logic here. No team would rather lose a playoff game and get a 1st than win and get a 2nd. If you lose, you’re out of the playoffs. Who cares about the pick changing from a 2nd to a 1st.
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    He never they would rather lose. He just said it was a no lose situation. In other words, if that were to happen, they get something very good either way.

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    the bigger problem is assuming that the bungles are making the playoffs,
    division contendors
    North – Ravens or steelers bungels have no chance
    South – this years NFC west winner by default
    East – Pats Bills slim odds on the jets
    West – Chargers Raiders

    so the bungles need a better record than steelers bills pats jets chargers or raiders to make the playoffs. fat chance!!

    imagine is mike brown accepted the Atlanta bounty given for julio jones,

    3 1st round picks in one year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with a rookie scale
    more money in his pockets thats the real reason he owns this team, because its not for building a winning team.

  30. “11. Carson Palmer eventually got what he wanted, without drawing much criticism. As others in the media have pointed out, it’s hard to imagine other players essentially quitting on their team to force a trade and not being called out aggressively.”

    If you know even a little about how the Bengals and Brown totally failed to support the team and failed to scout and draft, its pretty hard to say he quit on his team. Mike Brown made sure there wasn’t really any team or Bengals organization to quit on.

  31. I think Raiders gave up too much, but they had to have a quarterback right now and pickings were slim and other teams knew Raiders would pay a high price.
    Not having a good backup QB ready to go is costly.
    The dumb suspension cost Pryer any chance to be ready.
    Hope Palmer is ready to go.

  32. Bengals will squander their picks on busts and trade will seem fair then. Plus, I think Palmer will roar back to life. Might take a while, but Raiders will be set for next 4 years.

    One thing I don’t understand:

    How is it that the NFL Commissioner maintains the active roster and not the players union? I did not know this fact and am stunned to learn it.

  33. realitypolice says:
    Oct 18, 2011 2:55 PM
    Are we sure Al Davis is dead?

    Well played, sir. Well played.

  34. Palmer hasn’t been the same since he got injured in the playoffs and he was never THAT good. He has the technical skills (he DID have them) but he does NOT have the fire in the belly that sets players apart.

    I didn’t think Mike Brown had the brains to make a deal like this, and I would LOVE to know who made the call that got this going – which team called first?

    Somewhere Al Davis is saying – “They did WHAT??!!”

    I don’t really hate the Raiders, I just respond to their obnoxious fans, which is expected.

    I think they got suckered on this deal.

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