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Decision to start Palmer invites risk

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Based on multiple reports, including strong hints dropped by offensive coordinator Al Saunders, the Raiders plan to put quarterback Carson Palmer straight onto the field Sunday, when Oakland hosts the Chiefs.

The fact that the alternative is Kyle Boller supports the decision.  The fact that the Raiders hope to get 10 games plus a postseason out of Palmer undercuts it.

Throwing passes to T.J. Houshmandazadeh and doing footwork drills with Ken O’Brien gets a guy into shape.  It doesn’t get him into football shape.

And it definitely doesn’t get him ready to implement Saunders’ offense (unless, of course, someone slipped Carson a copy of the playbook in anticipation of the eventual trade).  Even if Palmer has been studying Saunders’ playbook, Palmer doesn’t know the offensive linemen or the running backs or the receivers or the tight ends who are executing it.

As a result, there’s a more pronounced risk of injury for Palmer.  He’ll be more likely to take hits in the pocket.  And if he tries to sprint away from trouble, he could pop an Achilles’ tendon.

Though plenty of players are thriving with limited preparation, including veteran quarterback Matthew Hasselbeck, guys like Hasselbeck at least had an opportunity to participate in weeks of practices and preseason games in order to get ready.

Palmer will have three practices.

There’s also a chance that the Raiders aren’t telling the truth about Palmer’s prospects for playing, hoping to force the Chiefs to prepare for Palmer, when in reality Boller will be behind center.  Teams are required only to disclose injuries, not strategies, and it could be come Sunday that coach Hue Jackson will explain that he decided Carson wasn’t ready — just as Hue did after not giving Terrelle Pryor playing time in the preseason finale, even after Jackson had said he would.

Either way, the smart move is to give Palmer until after the Week Eight bye to get ready to play.

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62 Responses to “Decision to start Palmer invites risk”
  1. edmazeing1 says: Oct 20, 2011 7:22 AM

    Just win baby!!!

  2. turbodog1027 says: Oct 20, 2011 7:25 AM

    Confirms just how much Boller sucks

  3. jmclarkent says: Oct 20, 2011 7:28 AM

    I hear that they plan to mix him in for gimmick plays. They have been kicking around the term “Clydesdale Package.”

  4. quittsburghstoolers says: Oct 20, 2011 7:28 AM

    If they do start Palmer right away it would be very foolish.

    Of course, this is the Raiders we are talking about.

    They are no strangers at all when it comes to making foolish moves…

  5. joetoronto says: Oct 20, 2011 7:29 AM

    “As a result, there’s a more pronounced risk of injury for Palmer. He’ll be more likely to take hits in the pocket. And if he tries to sprint away from trouble, he could pop an Achilles’ tendon.”

    Don’t go outside, you never know what’s going to drop from the sky and kill you.

  6. Todd Haley's Temper says: Oct 20, 2011 7:31 AM

    I like to root for teams that are the underdogs. That being said, I’ve watched the Bengals for the last 7 or 8 years and everybody saying that Carson had pro bowl years because he had pro bowl wide receivers around him. Seeing T.J. bounce to Seattle only to be cut then to Baltimore and be cut, Chad Johnson to the Patriots.. and well thats still a work in progress, is it a possibility that Carson made those receivers what they were? I’ve never been too high on the guy, but if he stays healthy (hopefully thats not a big if) we’ll see if the receivers made Carson or vice versa.

  7. aaronzona2011 says: Oct 20, 2011 7:31 AM

    why does a team even carry a backup QB that cannot be counted on in the only situation he is there for? I want a paycheck for being incompetent.

  8. pmgfootball says: Oct 20, 2011 7:32 AM

    It is obviously a huge risk the guy hasn’t played In a game since january

  9. tigeralum2010 says: Oct 20, 2011 7:32 AM

    How bad is boller haha

  10. canetic says: Oct 20, 2011 7:33 AM

    There’s zero chance that Palmer plays. But I enjoyed the Ken O’Brien mention.

  11. nflofficeadmin says: Oct 20, 2011 7:35 AM

    As a Raiders fan, you want to see Pryor get out there in a few sets and beat the dussy up a little bit in this game.

  12. kcsnakebyte says: Oct 20, 2011 7:35 AM

    Really? You use “smart” and “move” in the same sentence when it concerns the Raiders. Now that’s funny!!
    Looking forward to watching Raider fans in their halloween costumes on TV Sunday. Woops, I’m sorry…that’s their normal gear.

  13. steelerdynasty2010 says: Oct 20, 2011 7:38 AM

    he’ll be fine. it’s only two hand touch for qbs in Roger’s NFL

  14. scudbot says: Oct 20, 2011 7:44 AM

    Understated: “there’s a more pronounced risk of injury for Palmer…”

    Screws are (still) loose in Oakland.

    Wonder how his contract handles injuries?

  15. philvil41 says: Oct 20, 2011 7:46 AM

    The Greatness of the Raiders is in it’s future

  16. 32bigg says: Oct 20, 2011 7:46 AM

    I think the risk of injury definitely goes up if you’re not in football shape…Achilles’ tendon, hamstring, shoulder separation. And I can’t be the only one to think that Palmer looks noticeably thinner since last year. If that’s true, then that loss of weight is going to make him less able to absorb big hits. Palmer going down and not playing much this year would be a disaster for the Raiders.

  17. mjk2u says: Oct 20, 2011 7:48 AM

    Starting the backup Boller and ending up 4 – 3 would be the real risk. Like em or hate em, the Raiders are finally relevant again and Hue’s trying to keep it that way.

  18. crippled4life says: Oct 20, 2011 8:00 AM

    If Palmer is not read then start Lechler. Boller sucks.

  19. yelix says: Oct 20, 2011 8:04 AM

    Todd Haley indicated that his team was preparing for both QBs at some point in this last week, just as they prepared for both Collins and Painter before the Colts game. Either way, I hope Boller and/or Palmer are prepared for a face full of Tamba Hali.

  20. normswifevera says: Oct 20, 2011 8:10 AM

    “hoping to force the Chiefs to prepare for Palmer, when in reality Boller will be behind center.”

    Is there really that big a difference in preparation for an innacurate QB who can’t move in the pocket and a slightly younger innaccurate QB who can’t move in the pocket?

  21. skoobyfl says: Oct 20, 2011 8:11 AM

    You know what, I think it’s a great idea.

  22. techstar25 says: Oct 20, 2011 8:14 AM

    There is no way he starts this weekend. Starting him so soon would be unprecedented. It makes no sense. Kyle Boller simply isn’t THAT bad.

  23. jjackwagon says: Oct 20, 2011 8:14 AM

    Call me when the Raiders beat a team with a winning record…(yawn)

  24. realitypolice says: Oct 20, 2011 8:34 AM

    There’s also a chance that the Raiders aren’t telling the truth about Palmer’s prospects for playing, hoping to force the Chiefs to prepare for Palmer, when in reality Boller will be behind center.
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    Very silly.

    So, in other words, they are hoping to force the Chiefs to prepare to face a mediocre QB who has had three practices to prepare for his first start instead of preparing to face a terrible QB who has had all year to prepare for his first start?

    Yes, I can see where the defensive game plan would be completely different depending on which unique skill set each of these players bring to the field.

    *eyes rolling*.

  25. skiha says: Oct 20, 2011 8:35 AM

    ESPN keeps saying that the Raiders need a QB that can throw the ball down the field, and that Carson can fill that void. UHHH, were they not watching the Bengals the past two seasons with Carson as QB? The guy needed tommy john surgery, and was scared to go under the knife so he didn’t get it. Ever since then all his passes have been high and his deep balls have been ducks. The only reason he had so many deep passes last year was because the Bengals were 4-12. Playing from behind, with the other team in the prevent, gets a QB alot of garbage time yards that makes their stats look better than they actually are.
    Well look at that, that last statement can describe ESPN’s dream boy, Cam Newton too. haha

  26. raider17 says: Oct 20, 2011 8:44 AM

    Call me when the Raiders beat a team with a winning record…(yawn)

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    Ring Ring Ring answer the phone bright eyes! Houston was 3-2 when we beat them! Thanks for playing!

    Just Win Baby!

  27. ern215 says: Oct 20, 2011 8:55 AM

    hey jackwagon, are you stupid or something?
    what nfl season are you watching?
    are the houston texans not leading their division,
    like i say on here all day, STEP UP YOUR FOOTBALL I.Q.,
    if you do not know what youre saying, then shut up and leave this talk to the big dogs.

  28. gmen1987 says: Oct 20, 2011 8:56 AM

    My prediction. The Raiders will reek of suckage again for years starting this Sunday.

  29. oakfan23 says: Oct 20, 2011 9:03 AM

    Palmer won’t start on Sunday, Hue said after yesterday’s practice that he knows Palmer has only been here “one” day, he said he hasn’t made up his mind who will start. This is all lip service, Boller will start sunday, and Palmer after the bye.

  30. logansr8rs says: Oct 20, 2011 9:10 AM

    jjackwagon says:
    Oct 20, 2011 8:14 AM
    Call me when the Raiders beat a team with a winning record…(yawn)

    So I guess beating the Colts and the Vikings made the Chiefs relevant??? maybe a dominant force to be reconed with??? You need to go back to sleep… (yawn)…

  31. Topher says: Oct 20, 2011 9:10 AM

    Dude, you must really be struggling with finding things to write about if you are coming up with “It is a risk to start a guy right away who hasn’t played football in ten months.”

    Really? And did the sun rise this morning?

  32. swervinmervin says: Oct 20, 2011 9:12 AM

    What’s your number? The Raiders beat Houston and the Jets.

  33. 3rdbrowneye says: Oct 20, 2011 9:14 AM

    However, this is my Chiefs team we are talking about. 3 guys block 91 and the 3 or 4 can get everyone else. Pressure in the pocket and chiefs are not in the same story

  34. ern215 says: Oct 20, 2011 9:16 AM

    i dont get how anyone on here can say “this player sucks and that player sucks”
    you bums cant even make the football team at san francisco city college,

  35. toddm6d says: Oct 20, 2011 9:16 AM

    Two words

    Vinny Testeverde

  36. raiderlyfe510 says: Oct 20, 2011 9:22 AM

    No greater Football risk than starting Kyle Boller.

  37. stilllovemybungles says: Oct 20, 2011 9:32 AM

    You dont have to be in Great condition to throw pick sixes.. Just sayin.. lol..

  38. pskotte says: Oct 20, 2011 9:41 AM

    Start him, he’s ready enough.

  39. enders9 says: Oct 20, 2011 9:42 AM

    Todd Haley’s Temper says: Oct 20, 2011 7:31 AM

    I like to root for teams that are the underdogs. That being said, I’ve watched the Bengals for the last 7 or 8 years and everybody saying that Carson had pro bowl years because he had pro bowl wide receivers around him. Seeing T.J. bounce to Seattle only to be cut then to Baltimore and be cut, Chad Johnson to the Patriots.. and well thats still a work in progress, is it a possibility that Carson made those receivers what they were? I’ve never been too high on the guy, but if he stays healthy (hopefully thats not a big if) we’ll see if the receivers made Carson or vice versa.

    —————————————————

    I think it was a combination of Chad and Carson that made Housh look good in Cinci. But Carson most definitely did not make Chad. Chad was a stud before Carson was even on the team. And to use Chad’s struggles right now as an example of Carson “making” Chad would also be saying that Carson is a better QB than Tom Brady. Because Chad is struggling right now with Tom Brady as his QB. And implying that Carson is better than Brady is just downright stupid.

  40. tatum064 says: Oct 20, 2011 9:50 AM

    Very silly.

    So, in other words, they are hoping to force the Chiefs to prepare to face a mediocre QB who has had three practices to prepare for his first start instead of preparing to face a terrible QB who has had all year to prepare for his first start?

    Yes, I can see where the defensive game plan would be completely different depending on which unique skill set each of these players bring to the field.

    *eyes rolling*.
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    It’s the Chiefs…McFadden will run all over them anyway…does it really matter, we all know the league leader in rushing is getting the ball.

  41. tatum064 says: Oct 20, 2011 9:52 AM

    quittsburghstoolers says:
    Oct 20, 2011 7:28 AM
    If they do start Palmer right away it would be very foolish.

    Of course, this is the Raiders we are talking about.

    They are no strangers at all when it comes to making foolish moves…
    ===================
    Dropping 59 on Denver sure was foolish, wasnt it?

    Fake FG’s for Touchdowns, fake punts for first downs..101 yard kickoff returns for td’s ……yeah, we do all kinds of foolish things.

  42. stevincinci says: Oct 20, 2011 9:59 AM

    He’ll start.

  43. joetoronto says: Oct 20, 2011 9:59 AM

    jjackwagon says:
    Oct 20, 2011 8:14 AM
    Call me when the Raiders beat a team with a winning record…(yawn)
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    lol, what an idiot.

  44. nicosanchez02 says: Oct 20, 2011 10:13 AM

    Hey Mr. Palmer here’s a little secret, just give it to #20. Tamba Hali, meet Run Dmc!

  45. klastima99 says: Oct 20, 2011 10:35 AM

    Pryor starts in wildcat first series . . . true story

  46. jakethegrift says: Oct 20, 2011 10:49 AM

    The Raiders are favored by only 4 1/2 points. Only 4 1/2. There is your answer. Boller is starting.

  47. bengalsredgreenshow says: Oct 20, 2011 10:51 AM

    “And if he tries to sprint away from trouble, he could pop an Achilles’ tendon.”

    Carson Palmer has never Sprinted in his life… not even to catch someone running one of his pick6’s back to the house

  48. bengalsredgreenshow says: Oct 20, 2011 10:55 AM

    I just looked it up, as of October last year (doesnt include most of last seasons numbers), 12% of carsons interceptions have gone to the house… yeesh. Man thats awful

  49. green18blue52 says: Oct 20, 2011 10:57 AM

    Palmer looks exactly like Jason Garrett now. He lost some weight

  50. sourdough says: Oct 20, 2011 11:15 AM

    Too bad Palmer can’t line up on defense because that porous run D is giving up 5 yards a carry. Some bully!

  51. The Phantom Stranger says: Oct 20, 2011 11:16 AM

    If Palmer starts and suffers a serious injury, what will the Raider fans do to Jackson? There are so many bad things that can happen with this deal it will be nearly impossible for it to be worth it.

  52. raiderfankirk says: Oct 20, 2011 12:02 PM

    Hali LOL …meet Mr Veldeer the mammoth left tackle. Chiefs suck, mise well not even show up.

  53. raiderfankirk says: Oct 20, 2011 12:04 PM

    What’s the run d averaged last two games? Moron.

  54. marcsasharc says: Oct 20, 2011 12:06 PM

    joetoronto says:
    Oct 20, 2011 9:59 AM
    jjackwagon says:
    Oct 20, 2011 8:14 AM
    Call me when the Raiders beat a team with a winning record…(yawn)
    *************************************************
    lol, what an idiot.

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    call him an idiot but his point stands. the Raiders beat a very ordinary Jets team and a Houston team without their best offensive and defensive player.

    they have not beaten anybody.

  55. marcsasharc says: Oct 20, 2011 12:09 PM

    of course Carson gives the Raiders a better chance at winning any game on the schedule, BUT if palmer gets hurt the raiders are done. we are past the trade deadline and Boller is still the next guy up.

    you can say that about mostly any number 1 qb on any team, BUT the Raiders have a ton invested in Palmer and they cant afford to play him before hes ready. however, they will and we will see if it works out or not.

  56. broncsfan72 says: Oct 20, 2011 12:41 PM

    gooooo chiefs! !!!!!!!!! hahahaha

  57. seaner44 says: Oct 20, 2011 12:43 PM

    Speculation. Palmer is playing, wait till monday to draw any conclusions. I know that is really hard for you but give it a try.

  58. 808raiderinparadise says: Oct 20, 2011 2:20 PM

    I am pretty sure he will have a couple series at some point and Boller will be given a shot, but WOW Boller could lose this game for us. Cheifs will try to get Hali after whoever is in the pocket and do their best to stop the run. Then again, Seabass is money past midfield and Jacoby is a Cheif killer

  59. logansr8rs says: Oct 20, 2011 3:44 PM

    marcsasharc says:
    Oct 20, 2011 12:06 PM

    call him an idiot but his point stands. the Raiders beat a very ordinary Jets team and a Houston team without their best offensive and defensive player.

    they have not beaten anybody.

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    you know what… you’re an idiot for defending an idiot.

    Look at the Raiders, Chargers, and Chief’s opponents winning percentage… The Raiders clearly had the tougher starting schedule. Then not only look at the overall % but look at the stats of those games. The Raiders are definitely the better of the 3 teams. Im not mentioning Denver and we all know why. The only reason they are not ranked above the Dischargers in the weekly rankings is because of their two losses vs. SD’s one and SD having played only five to Oaklands six…. Look at who SD beat … Minn, Miami, KC, and Denver… REALLY??? handfull of powerhouses there… Now look at the Chiefs wins Indy, Minn… if the Raiders “really havent beaten anybody” then the Chiefs and Chrgers have just beat a bunch of nobodies…

    JUST WIN BABY

  60. jamkarat says: Oct 20, 2011 3:56 PM

    Both Hue and Palmer very clearly identified the need to be in ‘football shape’, before the decision to start Palmer will be made.-Anything else at this point is media driven drivel.
    I fully expect hue, the organization, and Palmer to make the correct decision. Anyone who believes they would recklessly throw him out there after the investment they made is laughable.

  61. hrdcorbengalsfan says: Oct 20, 2011 5:45 PM

    Pop an Achilles? The man can’t run for his life!

  62. raiderapologist says: Oct 20, 2011 9:14 PM

    sourdough says: Oct 20, 2011 11:15 AM

    Too bad Palmer can’t line up on defense because that porous run D is giving up 5 yards a carry. Some bully!

    What Jackson said is he’s trying to build a bully. He didn’t say he has one. And that run D is giving up 2.9 the past two games after giving up around 6 the first four. That’s not success. It’s progress. Jackson has been a head coach for all of six games, and his team has won four of them. Also progress. There are a lot of good teams in the league and a lot of teams trying to get better. The Raiders are trying to get better, and they have some pieces. Get your kicks in while you can.

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