Winds of change could be blowing in Indy

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With the Colts suffering a 62-7 shellacking in the Superdome, questions have surfaced and/or intensified regarding the future of the organization.  The fine folks at StampedeBlue.com summarize the status of a sorry situation for a franchise that entered 2011 with realistic hopes of becoming the first team to play the Super Bowl in its home stadium.

For starters, center Jeff Saturday said after the game that the Colts were “out-coached,” a direct slap at head coach Jim Caldwell, a man whom we had believed to be safe given the Peyton Manning injury but who instead seems to be in serious trouble of being bounced after the season.

The question becomes how high up the ladder the transition would go.  Unthinkable as it seems, StampedeBlue.com thinks that owner Jim Irsay (who apologized to fans on Twitter after last night’s debacle, saying “solutions in progress but complex in nature”) could decide to part ways with the Polians, a father-son front-office team that has ruled the roost for a long time in Indy.

In the interim, the question becomes whether Irsay will embrace the free-fall to the bottom of the league, in the hopes of landing the heir to the Peyton Manning franchise quarterback throne, Andrew Luck.  Then the question becomes whether Irsay will feel compelled to make significant changes contemporaneously with the arrival of Luck, who could do to Jim Irsay what the last great Stanford quarterback did to Robert Irsay in 1983.

And then the question becomes whether a new regime would prefer a Manning-to-Luck handoff or whether the new regime would prefer to save the $28 million Manning is due to be paid in early March and move on.

Regardless, for a consistently elite team over the past decade, a disastrous 2011 season could spark the kind of overhaul that disastrous seasons often do.

99 responses to “Winds of change could be blowing in Indy

  1. The Colts have never won because of coaching; they won because of Peyton Manning’s skill and filling in as an offensive coordinator. Without him, it’s proving that Caldwell is just a warm body on the sideline to fill a required position. Take away Peyton Manning, and Tony Dungy falls to being just a mediocre coach with no Super Bowl appearance, let alone victory.

  2. Caldwell has done a number of head slapping moves in huge games ever since his first game as a head coach. Questionable timeouts, bad gameplans, and absolutely NO ADJUSTMENTS!

    He was able to hide behind Manning for a while, not anymore.

  3. Here it is…..Colts will continue to suck…Colts will pick Luck with the #1 pick ….the Colts will bring in Jeff Fisher to usher Peyton out in 2 years, and ordain Luck as the man in Indy…mark my words…you saw it here first.

  4. Regardless, for a consistently elite team over the past decade, a disastrous 2010 season could spark the kind of overhaul that disastrous seasons often do.
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    I know time flies but isn’t it 2011?

  5. Forget Andrew Luck. If the Colts get that 1st overall pick (which I fully expect them to do), they should trade it away for a huge package of other draft picks so that they can rebuild that horrendous defense.

  6. Indy could survive a head coaching change better than most organizations….IF Peyton makes it back. Peyton runs the offense anyway. He made his own substitution in a game last year for crying out loud waving one player off the field for another to run on and take that player’s place, then converted successfully for a first down if I remember correctly. That seems to be more of a slap in the face of the coaching staff than anything Saturday said after that beat down.

  7. If the Colts are smart they’ll dump Caldwell, draft Andrew Luck, and start over. Even if Peyton returns he won’t be the same so they should take advantage of the situation.

  8. If I was Luck, Indy would be the best possible place for me to go. I get to sit behind one of, if not the best QB of all time, I know they will surround me with who I want, should I be any good, I know they will pay me, etc. Peyton isn’t dumb. He knows he’s getting older, and my guess is that he would embrace becoming a mentor before moving into the coaching ranks in Indy.

  9. Over the years, I have become convinced that one of the Polians stole a girlfriend from the guy who runs Stampedeblue.com. His opinions about Polian are far too strident to be worth citing.

    Not to say they haven’t earned culpability…but no chance the Polians get canned for one bad season.

  10. Is there anyone out there who didn’t already know before 2011 started that Caldwell wasn’t a good HC??? There were Wake Forest fans out there warning everyone right when he got the HC job how crappy he was when he was handpicked by Dungy.
    This whole mess is squarely on Polian for how he builds teams. I’ve never liked his business model.

  11. HEY! Don’t count Miami out, we may not suck as much as Ind, who sneak out of town in the middle of the night, however who would win the first pick if both teams are 0-16? As bad as Miami is I don’t think they could lose that bad. Bill

  12. Funny how some of you imagine Peyton being this cooperative team player who will gladly step aside for Luck and even prematurely retire to be the coach and help all you Colts out. I’m not a big Manning fan, but he is a competitor and he’s not going to bend over for the sake of the franchise. Just ask Packer fans how that scenario worked out. The old dogs won’t go quietly!

  13. Wow, wouldn’t it be poetic justice for the Ravens to be bringing the Lombardi home to Bmore from the cowpasture Colt’s stadium! In the background the Irsay’s are running the Colt’s into the ground and maybe even out of town again! Irsay appears to be the same idiot is father was and without Peyton we see what this team really is.

    Their current HC couldn’t even keep his job at Wake Forest and they make him a head coach in the NFL?

  14. IF the colts end up “winning” the top pick (especially if they go 0-16) Irsay needs to have a serious conversation with Peyton and the direction of the franchise along with his future in the NFL as a colt. It’s one thing to ship a guy out of town and another to have the discussion of whats best for both parties and try to accomodate peyton to be in successful situation to end his career.

    If you finish with the top draft pick, it becomes time to call up one of these teams that has a nice squad and wants to win NOW just lacking at the QB position and see if you can make a deal. Peyton is great but even with him this is a .500 football team. they have way to many areas of deficiency and need to start building a TEAM or else the day peyton does hang em up they’re in for a looooong road to football futility (again).

    then again if peyton doesn’t recover from this injury this all becomes null and void.

  15. When are people going to start seeing this team wasn’t going to be very good this year even with Manning. He wasn’t going to prevent 62 last night.

    This team is old, lost many of it’s stars, ie. Sanders, Harrison, etc. They have had bad drafts and it’s all catching up to them.

  16. This free fall is orchestrated by Bill Polian. Polian has significant influence over Caldwell. I remember he told Caldwell to bench Manning and ruin their perfect season a coupla years ago.

    Polian is tanking for Andrew Luck. You don’t go from winning 1o games a year to 0-16. when the 49ers of the 80’s and 90’s were winning 10 games a year, the won with Steve Bono, Garcia, even Jeff Kemp at QB….Pats went 11-5 with a QB who hasn’t played a snap since high school…

    Polian is tanking the season to get Luck…it’s borderline criminal, because the teams that the Colts are giving free W’s to, have playoff implications for other teams.

  17. I can’t believe that Peyton is the only starter missing from the team and the Colts are this bad. I mean , seriously, one guy is your whole team? One injured starter and they’re the worst team in the league.

  18. panther74 says:Oct 24, 2011 10:20 AM

    Here it is…..Colts will continue to suck…Colts will pick Luck with the #1 pick ….the Colts will bring in Jeff Fisher to usher Peyton out in 2 years, and ordain Luck as the man in Indy…mark my words…you saw it here first.

    Wow, panther74, you must have some sort of magical crystal ball or something. the Colts drafting Andrew Luck? I never could’ve imagined that, but I guess it would work out. And I never heard ANYONE on Earth say that before either. I’m glad I saw it here first. Whew! What other brilliant prognostications do you have for us? Will the Titans name Jake Locker the starter in Tennessee within the next 2 years? Will Aaron Rodgers remain the starter in GB? What would the fans of the NFL do without your expert predictions, that we can only hear first from you?

  19. My prediction. IF they can get the first pick in the draft. Coach Chin takes the job and has Manning coming back(maybe) and can take Luck with first round pick and has the best of both worlds. Mark it down.

  20. People should remember that this year’s failures are only aggravated by Manning’s injury. Frankly, this was likely to be an 8-8 team if he did play this season. The Polian strategy of paying too much money for too few players has been exposed for the failure that it is.

    People in Indy might want to be on the lookout for a convoy of moving vans.

  21. the best part is that Peyton, the same man who says he would sacrafice money so they could bring in better players, took a fully gauranteed contract for 18 mil a year.. that contract puts the team in a $20mil hole for the next 5 years.. Peyton might not even be able to play again. Yet this team will need to pay that contract entirely.. HOW CAN YOU OFFER A DEAL LIKE THAT WITHOUT A SOLID PHYSICAL.. great thinking.. i guess pickin in the top 10 for the next 4 years should help you out..

  22. No one team is guaranteed Luck, even with the #1 pick in the draft. There will be 10 teams with no QB lining up to make a Herschel Walker type deal to get that pick. “Suck for Luck” will not work in Indy.

  23. The lesson is clear: Manning has been covering up glaring holes in that organization for years. Now that he’s out, you can see that the GM has not been building talent as he should and the coach cannot get anything done.

  24. …. could decide to part ways with the Polians, a father-son front-office team that has ruled the roost for a long time in Indy.
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    Without Manning it is painfully obvious what kind of coach and team the Polians put together.

    Drafting Manning was their lucky golden lottery super-mega-powerball ticket and they rode that horse just as long as they possibly could while everyone called them geniuses but without Manning the father-son emperors are buck naked.

  25. Peyton doesn’t play defense. His play simply bailed them out. You would always hear about the Colt’s D being a “bend but don’t break” defense. There are many defenses that are aimed towards not giving up the big play, but the only way these defenses work is if the offense can a) stay on the field and b) come away with points. If the offense sucks, the defense will break, and break often especially against the Saints/Packers/Patriots type teams. Without Peyton, the Colts are exposed.

  26. The era of any team, especially the ones who have been very good (or very bad) for a number of consecutive years, necessarily, has to end. Brady and Belichick aren’t going to last forever – any more than Lions being the NFL doormat did.

    IMHO, that time has come for Indy, including moving beyond Peyton and Polian. Sure made it easier when you had a HOF caliber QB, but organizations ultimately win (or lose) from the top down.

  27. As long as the Colts keep “Cletus Plumber” in the game, they are going to be one of the odds on favorites in the Luck sweepstakes.

    However, I just can’t see the Colts terminating Caldwell for the team’s performance this year. For one, the media will go nuts since they are stinking it up with a mediocre backup QB.

    If anyone is to blame, it is the front office for not searching out a replacement for Manning years ago before they got into this mess.

  28. What this season does is give Irsay the chance to make any changes he wants to. To do so previously would had the fans/writers freaking out.

  29. @PTF – “In the interim, the question becomes whether Irsay will embrace the free-fall to the bottom of the league, in the hopes of landing the heir to the Peyton Manning franchise quarterback throne, Andrew Luck. ”

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    You are kidding, right? You need more proof than last night that Irsay has already “embraced” a free- fall?

    This is truly a disgusting display by the Fins and Dolts. I specifically avoided paying attention to that game last night, because I thought it would be horrid, and it was about 10X worse than I expected. I think Irsay should consider going ahead and forfeiting the rest of the games, and just shutting it down now. Avoid a lot of injuries, empty stadiums, and unwatchable games that way.

  30. countsnail says:
    Oct 24, 2011 10:22 AM
    Forget Andrew Luck. If the Colts get that 1st overall pick (which I fully expect them to do), they should trade it away for a huge package of other draft picks so that they can rebuild that horrendous defense.

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    As much as you hate it, a good coach/GM has to keep an open eye to the future. Manning is great, however he is 35. If Luck turns out to be as good as he is billed, then it would be in the best intrests of the Colts to take him and get him ready to be the future of the Colts. As unthinkable as it might seem, that could open the door for a Manning trade. Football is a tough business…and the great teams make the tough calls.

  31. It’s too bad Indy is going down like this (barring they don’t land Luck) – I only wished this would’ve happened to New England instead-If ANY team deserves this hell on earth/scorched earth/end of the line season, it’s the Pats.

  32. Dear Jim Caldwell,

    Tune out all this positive talk. Your shovel is sharp and your will is strong–believe in the system and don’t make any drastic changes!

    The road to imperfection is filled with many potholes and chances to win. If anyone has the strength to avoid those, you do!

    Stay the course and keep digging.

    Sincerely,

    Rod Marinelli

  33. Just looking at Caldwell on the sidelines I’ve never seen anything that resembles even slight confidence. He looks lost constantly. Might be time for a new coach. Hell, let Manning coach the rest of the season.

  34. panther74 says:
    Oct 24, 2011 10:20 AM
    Here it is…..Colts will continue to suck…Colts will pick Luck with the #1 pick ….the Colts will bring in Jeff Fisher to usher Peyton out in 2 years, and ordain Luck as the man in Indy…mark my words…you saw it here first.
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    As I said in my comment to the other article about the Colts- why in the world would Andrew Luck declare for the draft if the Colts get the first pick?

    His family has plenty of money, he is insured for millions if he gets hurt, and he loves playing for Stanford.

    What makes you think he would be willing to be a back up anywhere for 2 years when he has the option of going back to Stanford?

  35. There is no way that Luck goes to the Colts. Even if the Colts get the 1st pick there are 2 people who won’t allow that to happen.

    P. Manning
    A. Luck

    These two will not allow a Manning with Luck back-up situation to happen. Manning will either get traded (which won’t happen) or Luck will refuse to play for the Colts because he doesn’t want to sit behind Manning for even one season.

    Elway and E. Manning both got out of playing for teams that wanted to pick them. Luck would do the same.

  36. I am so sick of this Peyton Manning suck up stuff. If the Colts had Jeff George at QB they would have wins over Cincinnati, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Cleveland and hell even Pittsburgh (They lost by 3). The Colts start the equivalent of me at QB, go 0-7 and its all Peyton Manning is the team. Its all such BULL.

    If Kerry Collins/Curtis Painter started QB for the Saints, Guess what? They would be 0-7 too!!

    Colts are tanking. Period.

    Oh how I cant stand this Peyton Manning suck up stuff.

    Dan

  37. Any coach that tries to say a “good effort” by his players was there when they give up 62, and score 7, has some serious issues….

    And don’t give me this “he was defending his team” by saying that… Really?? If I’m a player, I’d rather have a coach come out and tell it like it is, versus being a robot in a press conference..

    I’m beginning to think Dick Jauron took over Jim Caldwell’s body… The same stupid post-game remarks after a loss are flowing freely..

    Peyton is secretly happy about this… You can tell he never spoke that highly of Caldwell, or went out of his way to praise him..

  38. CKL says:
    Oct 24, 2011 10:31 AM
    Is there anyone out there who didn’t already know before 2011 started that Caldwell wasn’t a good HC??? There were Wake Forest fans out there warning everyone right when he got the HC job how crappy he was when he was handpicked by Dungy.
    This whole mess is squarely on Polian for how he builds teams. I’ve never liked his business model.

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    Still better than the “Yawkey business model”, by far the WORST business model in the history of sports. 0-86

  39. we are talking about the son of an owner who fled baltimore in the middle of the night here! if his son is cold enough to do that,he’d have no problem firing the coaching staff and dumping peyton manning in the team’s best interest would he? peyton will be one hell of an OC if he decides to coach,we could sure use him in washington!peyton will win a super bowl as a coach eventually!

  40. Why don’t any national pundits focus on how unacceptable it is for the Colts to be THIS bad by losing one player? The Patriots lost Brady on opening day in 08 and still went 11-5 with a guy who hadn’t started since high school. For the Colts to be so woefully inept without Manning is bad for the league, and the media ought to be hammering the coaching staff and front office way harder than they are about it.

  41. I feel for Colts fans. It’s just too bad that it took a serious injury to their franchise qb to make Irsay look into a coaching change. It was obvious from day one that Caldwell was in over his head.

    My best advice for Colts fans is take solace in knowing that your lost season without Peyton isn’t all for naught. If it gets a comperable coach in there it may have saved Peyton’s last few years from going no-where.

  42. I tend to agree with many comments here stating that the Polians are responsible for this current lack of talent and that the Colts, while clearly better with Peyton, would not have been as good as they have been in years past had Manning been playing…

    This is what happens when you draft late in the first round every year and miss badly on those picks.

    Polian’s recent drafts scream of poor planning and talent evaluation. While the jury is out on Castonzo- Jerry Hughes, Donald Brown, and Anthony Gonzalez show that Bill has lost his touch.

  43. “Forget Andrew Luck. If the Colts get that 1st overall pick (which I fully expect them to do), they should trade it away for a huge package of other draft picks so that they can rebuild that horrendous defense.”

    If Luck is as good as everybody seems to think, no they should not. If this season is showing us anything, it’s showing us that if you don’t have a good-to-great QB, you have no chance of being successful. Manning is 35 years old and coming off major neck surgury; even if he comes back 100% (which is certainly not guarranteed), he has, at best, 3-4 more years left as a top-flight QB, more likely 2-3 years. The time to start looking for his replacement is now, and if the Colts have a chance to get a once-in-a-generation type QB (although, with Cam Newton, it may be twice in a generation) they have to take advantage of that.

  44. Who didn’t see this coming and why are there so many responses? Seriously, everyone here really thought Polian was this good, Dungy was the greatest and Caldwell’s Tampa Bay Buc staff were really this good and is surprised? Matt Millen if HE were to draft Peyton Manning would be the greatest GM ever, I mean this team is 0-16 in the making and everyone is this shocked, I thought way back when he injured his Bursa sac it quite obvious.

    a “hobbled leg” Manning was 2-4, a “hurt neck” Manning was 10-6 and a “NO” Manning your 0-16…Hand him the MVP now please

  45. For anyone who believes that missing one man – Peyton Manning – is the reason for this horrible season, take a look at the first part of this score; not the 7, I can understand that having something to do with no Manning.

    I’m talking about the 62 part.

    Can’t hang that on not having Peyton Manning. Granted, a Manning-led offense would have kept the Colts defense off the field and resulted in a lower score for the Saints, but come on, 62 points on the Colts defense?

    REALLY????

    That’s not on Peyton Manning being out, that’s on a horrible defense, one which hasn’t even lost many players, for the most part.

    Caldwell is being exposed for all the flaws that Peyton Manning masked for him.

  46. cardmagnet said:
    The Colts have never won because of coaching; they won because of Peyton Manning’s skill and filling in as an offensive coordinator. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And some people said Manning was a team player. This is a perfect example of what a team player is not.

  47. Here’s a look at the Manning effect as through the years of Polian:

    Indianapolis Colts
    Pro Bowlers – 13
    Super Bowls 1-1
    Playoffs 9-10
    Years 99-00, 02-08, 10
    Rounds
    Best 1st (7)
    Worst 4th/7th (0)

    1997 OT Tarik Glenn California 1st (19)
    LB Bertrand Berry Notre Dame 3rd (86)
    1998 QB Peyton Manning Tennessee 1st (1)
    1999 RB Edgerrin James Miami 1st (4)
    2000 LB Marcus Washington Auburn 2nd (59)
    2001 WR Reggie Wayne Miami 1st (30)
    2002 DE Dwight Freeney Syracuse 1st (11)
    2003 TE Dallas Clark 1st (24)
    DE Robert Mathis Alabama A&M 5th (138)
    LB Cato June Michigan 6th (198)
    2004 SS Bob Sanders Iowa 2nd (44)
    2006 RB Joseph Addai LSU 1st (30)
    S Antoine Bethea Howard 6th (207)

    I think it’s clear the Colts should move on. Polian hasn’t found a good young star in years and the team is clearly outmatched without Manning. New coach and gm. Could they cajole Tom Moore perhaps?

  48. The guy who writes for Stampede Blue hates the Polians , I can only figure he must be in his early 20’s and never suffered through the 2-14 ,1-15 seasons pre Polian. I agree we need a hole new coaching staff

  49. Peyton Manning has hidden the lack of drafting ability by Bill Polian. He should thank Peyton Manning every day he still has a job!

  50. I don’t think Manning would have won this game for the Colts, but he sure would have made it closer. The Colts passed for 97 yards last night. They had 3 turnovers. It’s tough to stay in a game if you can’t move the ball. The Saints had the ball for 38:19 compared to 21:41 for the Colts. The offense is a major problem for the Colts because they don’t keep the defense off the field.

    I think the Colts will end up being the worst team in the NFL when it’s all said and done. I think the best thing they can do is draft Andrew Luck and have him sit behind Peyton Manning for a few years and learn from probably the best QB of our time, if not all time. Then when Manning is ready to walk away from the game or the Colts, Luck steps in and takes over like Rodgers did in Green Bay, which seemed to work out for him.

  51. IMO The Polians should have been fired a long time ago. They have a history of failed/subpar first and second round picks that have been crippling a franchise with arguably the best QB to ever play the game. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have a smart front office around them; Peyton has done it all himself. To prove my case I give a couple pieces of evidence: Joseph Addai, Anthony Gonzalez, Donald Brown, Jerry Hughes, the 2011 secondary (why let go of Kelvin Hayden and Justin Tryon? Came back to bite them, big time). I understand that they’ve found some nice players in later rounds but no franchise can afford to miss big on first round picks four times in four shots like that. Addai might not be a ‘miss’ per se but he’s been mediocre at best.

    As for Caldwell, that timeout taken in the Jets playoff game was the final straw for me. It let the Jets win the game and was 100% illogical and unexplainable.

    As for those of you crowning Andrew Luck and saying Peyton Manning is done, that’s ridiculous. Let Luck play a down before he’s anointed- and I would bet my mortgage on Peyton Manning coming back to the league and being better than ever before. Drafting a QB to be your franchise guy for 10-15 years makes perfect sense, but that doesn’t equate to Peyton being done as QB just because it ‘fits’, let’s not be crazy.

  52. Draft Luck and he can sit and learn behind Manning for a couple of years. Ask Curtis Painter how that plan works out.

  53. The Colts are going to draft Luck no matter what if they get the 1st overall choice coming out. You don’t pass on a franchise QB when your current starter is a big question mark to be effective when he returns (if he returns).

    Ask the Miami Dolphins what’s it’s like trying to get a replacement for Dan Marino.

  54. I hate the idea of keeping lame duck coaches, so I think the Colts should fire Jim Caldwell’s corpse and continue with an interim assistant. (How about Manning, haha).

    This year should be used for evaluation purposes. Figure out which direction you want to go as an organization and which players and personnel are going to fit that going forward. I believe that moving on without the Polians may be in the Colts’ best interests, as well as more than half of the roster.

    With the “talent” they have assembled they should easily land the number 1 pick.

    Draft Andrew Luck, keep Peyton Manning. This is an offensive driven league. Don’t trade Luck for picks, keep him. How much does it matter what teams like the Patriots, Saints and Colts (before this year) have on defense? A dominant QB is 50% of a championship team! With Manning overseeing Luck’s development he will be a machine by the time Peyton is ready to retire or move on.

  55. dhousejr says: Oct 24, 2011 11:48 AM

    The guy who writes for Stampede Blue hates the Polians , I can only figure he must be in his early 20′s and never suffered through the 2-14 ,1-15 seasons pre Polian. I agree we need a hole new coaching staff
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    What does that have to do with wanting Polian gone? He is past his age of effectiveness. His past accomplishments have nothing to do with his ability to run the team now. He built this terrible team. He should be held accountable for it.

  56. Love that it the colts. Took the fans a few years to sell out their stadium with manning. If they somehow don’t suck enuf 4 luck, they will be playing in front of half empty stadiums within a year of manning retiring. Next thing u no Jimmy will be calling mayflower again

  57. The belief all along is Manning ran this team. Just show the mental part of the game with Manning not their the team is lost. Caldwell has always looked as if he had no control of the situation, he has made some chin scratching decesions in many games. To get whiped as bad as last night is way worse than Miami getting beat as they did. So how long does Caldwell stay?

  58. They really ought to dump everyone, including the Polian. He’s the one that built the whole team literally around one guy. And call me crazy, but if you’re a new coach and GM coming in, I’d say you just let Peyton walk and move on, he can’t have all that much left in the tank, and who knows how if he’ll even make a full recovery anyway.

  59. hahahahaha couldn’t happen to a better team! I hate indy and everything about them. I hate Elway, I hate Eli Manning. If it is a draft, then no one should be allowed to John Elway a team. I normally want them to lose every game 100-0 except for this year!

  60. Who says the Colts have to worry about Andrew Luck right now? They need to worry about that undersized and awful defense before they can start worrying about Peyton’s successor.

  61. Why doesn’t anybody get the correlation that when the Colts got to the Super Bowl, Polian ran off all of his experienced scouts, put his kid and his kid’s friends in charge. That way he could take credit for everything and there was no-one there to dispute his claims. Polian has always sucked as a talent evaluator. He had good experienced scouts in Buffalo and had them in Indy till he ran them all off in 2007 and they sucked in the draft ever since.

  62. I think a lot of people here are overlooking the fact that the Colts defense has been decimated by injuries. Add to that an inexperienced starting quarterback who can’t keep his offense on the field in a hostile environment and you have a blowout on your hands.

    Do NOT forget, the Colts could have just as easily beaten the Chiefs, the Stealers, and the Buccaneers. They’re really not as bad as their record suggests, although this was most definitely a low point in the franchise.

  63. tapper0510 says:
    Oct 24, 2011 12:41 PM
    Draft Luck and he can sit and learn behind Manning for a couple of years. Ask Curtis Painter how that plan works out.

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    There’s a difference. Painter wasn’t brought in to learn from Manning and be the future. He was brought in to be the guy they went to in garbage time at the end of the year. The Colts draft Luck to eventually take over for Peyton Manning, like the Packers did with Aaron Rodgers for Brett Favre. Andrew Luck is considered a can’t miss prospect right now, where most people didn’t even know who Curtis Painter was when he was drafted. Let him sit behind Manning and learn until Manning is ready to step aside.

  64. richm2256 says:
    Oct 24, 2011 11:40 AM
    For anyone who believes that missing one man – Peyton Manning – is the reason for this horrible season, take a look at the first part of this score; not the 7, I can understand that having something to do with no Manning.

    I’m talking about the 62 part.

    Can’t hang that on not having Peyton Manning. Granted, a Manning-led offense would have kept the Colts defense off the field and resulted in a lower score for the Saints, but come on, 62 points on the Colts defense?

    REALLY????

    That’s not on Peyton Manning being out, that’s on a horrible defense, one which hasn’t even lost many players, for the most part.

    Caldwell is being exposed for all the flaws that Peyton Manning masked for him.

    __
    No matter how hard you loser Patriot fans try, Peyton Manning will ALWAYS be better than Tom Brady.

  65. All this suck for Luck and the Colts topic sounds well and dandy but when you crunch some numbers you realize that the Colts are in a really big mess. Manning is scheduled to be paid 28M next year. If they draft Luck they will have to commit at least 10M to him. That puts them at 38M for two players. The salary cap thi year is 120M, say it stays the same for 2012 or increases 10%, the Colts woud pay about 30% of their cap to two players, one of which would not be a starter. Manning will not renegotiate his contract so that he can see his succesor get the $$$. Luck will certainly not take less than the pick 1 usually gets (especially with the type of hipe that surrounds him).

    If they get the first pick they will face a decision of either go with Luck and cut Manning (I dont see that happening) or tank their team even more by drafting him and not being able to spend money in free agency.

    This whole thing comes down to he Polians incompetent management. They created this mess, and made it worse by paying Manning while not knowing about his health issues. Manning played it right for him, cared about himself and the money but he gives a rat’s ass about the team. If I was a Colts fan I’d have one more reason to be pissed at Manning beyond those intereptions in key games over the years. Mark my words, Luck will not go to indy as long as Manning is in town

  66. Really? Manning better than Brady. Let’s talk abou that when Manning gets his third ring. Oh, wait, that won’t happen, his neck won’t allow. Sorry Colts.

  67. As much as I respect Peyton Manning, if his neck injury is anywhere as serious as it seems, he should take a long, hard look at retirement.

    Is potential paralysis or even death worth the risk just to continue his already HOF-worthy career?

    I should think not.

    No one should risk all that for anything so immaterial as fame or glory. Both are fleeting, as is life.

    Maybe it’s time Peyton thought about coaching..

  68. Bill you should have quit while you were ahead. It is known that one of your goals was to get in the HOF. You’ve given it up for greed and to make more money for your boys. Now you can just take that to the bank.

    God willing you have been exposed.

    You are a cheat and a bully and a liar.

    Jimmy – that is not complicated.

  69. billharford31 says:
    Oct 24, 2011 7:20 PM
    Really? Manning better than Brady. Let’s talk abou that when Manning gets his third ring. Oh, wait, that won’t happen, his neck won’t allow. Sorry Colts.

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    IF RINGS IS THE MEASURE, then Terry Bradshaw is better than Tom Brady.

    Thanks for playing.

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