Palmer trade results in renewed respect for Bill Walsh

AP

It’s fitting that the quarterback traded last week by the team Paul Brown founded would help enhance the reputation of one of Brown’s best known pupils.

In his most recent Monday Morning Quarterback column, Peter King of SI.com compares the Carson Palmer trade to Oakland to the circumstances that brought another former West Coast, Heisman-winning quarterback to the Raiders more than 30 years ago.  The Raiders didn’t trade for Jim Plunkett, who would win two Super Bowls with the organization; they got him off the street, after two disappointing seasons in San Francisco.

It was the Niners who traded for Plunkett, getting him from the Pats for quarterback Tom Owen, two first-round picks in 1976, and first- and second-round picks in 1977.  And then the 49ers sent second- and third-round picks in 1978, first- and fourth-round picks in 1979, and a second-round pick in 1980 to Buffalo for O.J. Simpson, who at the time was 31.

Thus, when Bill Walsh became the coach of the 49ers in 1979, he was operating with one hand tied behind his back, and he still put together one of the best teams the NFL ever has seen.  Walsh laid the foundation during his first draft with the team; the Bills squandered the first overall pick on linebacker Tom Cosineau, and in round three Walsh picked a guy named Joe Montana.

44 responses to “Palmer trade results in renewed respect for Bill Walsh

  1. thats because he started his pro coaching career with the Raiders under Al Davis.
    Al taught him well.

  2. People can hoot and holler all they want about Lombardi, or Halas, Parcells, or even Belichick.

    But the greatest coach in the history of the league was, and always shall be Mr. Bill Walsh.

  3. @fu7ur3pr00f says:Oct 25, 2011 2:30 PM

    People can hoot and holler all they want about Lombardi, or Halas, Parcells, or even Belichick.

    But the greatest coach in the history of the league was, and always shall be Mr. Bill Walsh.
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    Everyone including you has a right to your own opinion, but when Belichick retires with 7+ rings (he has 5 now) I don’t think it will be much of a conversation.

  4. I had read in a book once that Tom Landry really wanted to take Joe Montana in the 2nd round, but having Roger Staubach thought it was a waste, so he doesn’t draft him and weeks later Roger retires.

    Walsh is an all time great coach, but this just shows you how luck can play into it. There is no way he thought Montana was going to be great, otherwise he doesn’t wait until the 3rd round, same with Bellichek and Brady, Bill only saw Tom as a backup until he actually got in there.

  5. @tbpdog says:Oct 25, 2011 2:40 PM

    I had read in a book once that Tom Landry really wanted to take Joe Montana in the 2nd round, but having Roger Staubach thought it was a waste, so he doesn’t draft him and weeks later Roger retires.

    Walsh is an all time great coach, but this just shows you how luck can play into it. There is no way he thought Montana was going to be great, otherwise he doesn’t wait until the 3rd round, same with Bellichek and Brady, Bill only saw Tom as a backup until he actually got in there.
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    Bill only saw Brady as a backup until he actually got in there??
    Do you’re research dude. Belichick is a master of the draft because he doesn’t reach for players and takes them at the spot where they have the most value. Nobody was going to take Brady in the first 4 rounds, why should he have. And there was talk in the preseason of 2001 that he might bench Bledsoe.

  6. tbpdog says:
    Oct 25, 2011 2:40 PM
    I had read in a book once that Tom Landry really wanted to take Joe Montana in the 2nd round, but having Roger Staubach thought it was a waste, so he doesn’t draft him and weeks later Roger retires.

    Walsh is an all time great coach, but this just shows you how luck can play into it. There is no way he thought Montana was going to be great, otherwise he doesn’t wait until the 3rd round, same with Bellichek and Brady, Bill only saw Tom as a backup until he actually got in there.
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    Walsh had no first round pick and only picked one other player (WR James Owens) before taking Montana. OTOH, Belichick passed over Brady SIX TIMES before taking him (whiffing on all six previous picks).

    HUGE difference between the LUCK of Belichick and the SKILL of Walsh.

  7. In 1981, former Stanford HC Bill Walsh shook up the league by taking the prior year 6-10 49ers to the playoffs and to their first franchise Super Bowl.

    In 2011, former Stanford HC Jim Harbaugh has shaken up the league by taking the prior year 6-10 49ers to a 5-1 start.

    Same ultimate outcome? Not likely. But still, very interesting parallels.

  8. Totally right, the coach of the year should be named after Bill Walsh. What he did with the Niners was simply amazing, even Bill Belichek will support that one. The Niners have 3 of the undisputed GOATs in Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Ronnie Lott. Every time someone says a QB is better than Joe (i.e. Brady in 2009 and Peyton in 2010 Superbowls) they are cursed and automatically lose. You can always argue who number 2 is for QB, but there is no argument who number 1 is … Joe Montana … John Candy would have told you that one 🙂

  9. The best coach of all-time is the Emperor Chuck Noll! The only head coach to win four Super Bowls. Drafted the greatest teams to ever play in the NFL. No one will touch the talent level of those teams with a salary cap

  10. Bill “The Genius” Walsh only took Montana after some prodding(and maybe a little twisting of the arm the wasn’t attached to the hand tied behind his back)from John Ralston(director of Player Personnel)who was urged to do so acting on the advice of scout Tony Razzano.Razzano was upset that they didn’t take Montana in 2nd round because he didn’t think he’d be available after that pick which Walsh used on James Owens(a running back from U.C.L.A.)who was converted to a wide receiver and was basically a flop.Razzano found out that Walsh wanted to take Steve Dils instead(his QB at Stanford)and gathered up allies within the 49ers’ brain trust to convince Walsh otherwise.Walsh still wanted Dils in the 4th round and was furious when the Vikings took him with the pick one slot ahead of the 49ers.So “The Genius” wanted STEVE DILS instead initially!!! STEVE DILS !!! Somewhat like that other “Genius” who had Tom Brady sitting on the bench until Drew Bledsoe was almost killed in a game.

  11. Totally right, the coach of the year should be named after Bill Walsh. What he did with the Niners was simply amazing, even Bill Belichek will support that one. The Niners have 3 of the undisputed GOATs in Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Ronnie Lott. Every time someone says a QB is better than Joe (i.e. Brady in 2009 and Peyton in 2010 Superbowls) they are cursed and automatically lose. You can always argue who number 2 is for QB, but there is no argument who number 1 is … Joe Montana … John Candy would have told you that one

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    Harris Barton could have told that story as well.
    there isnt any QB better than Montana, even if Brady gets his forth montana never lost a SB he also never threw a INT in one….for real look it up

  12. kisstherings says:

    Everyone including you has a right to your own opinion, but when Belichick retires with 7+ rings (he has 5 now) I don’t think it will be much of a conversation.

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    You’re right, Bill Walsh will still be considered the greatest. P.S. Walsh WAS A GENIUS-Belichick coached in the age of parity and roughing the princess AND SPYGATE. PERIOD.-And that’s not just MY opinion

  13. Please NFL *do* make the yearly coaching award the Bill Walsh trophy, just like the Super Bowl is the Vince Lombardi trophy. JUST DO IT!

  14. Maybe it would have been better for the Bills if they never got Kelly and could have sucked for a while longer and had the chance to draft several more high draft picks because of their bad record ? Bill’s fans could also have been spared the horror of so many SB losses ! Maybe a few years down the line the team would have been improved enough from those extra high picks that they could have actually won a couple of the SB’s they would have got themselves in ?

  15. The connection to Bill Walsh in the Palmer trade is still non-existent. Thread fail. However, it did bring about discussion about my favorite team and coach.

  16. “two first-round picks in 1976, and first- and second-round picks in 1977. And then the 49ers sent second- and third-round picks in 1978, first- and fourth-round picks in 1979, and a second-round pick in 1980 to Buffalo for O.J. Simpson, who at the time was 31.”

    So, the Bengals get a 1st in 2011, and another 1st in 2012 (if Raiders win in the playoffs)….that makes Cincinnati a multi- time Super Bowl champion 5 years later

    is that what King is saying? Only thing related is that Walsh came from the Cincinnati organization

  17. What year did they start cheating the salary cap rules to win?

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    Very likely the year that the salary cap began, 1994. However, the 49ers were also fined for giving players extra-contractual bonuses that were against league rules in the late 80’s.

  18. You can always argue who number 2 is for QB, but there is no argument who number 1 is … Joe Montana …

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    I’ll take Otto Graham.

  19. People can hoot and holler all they want about Lombardi, or Halas, Parcells, or even Belichick.

    But the greatest coach in the history of the league was, and always shall be Mr. Bill Walsh.
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    Everyone including you has a right to your own opinion, but when Belichick retires with 7+ rings (he has 5 now) I don’t think it will be much of a conversation.
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    Belichick got 2 of his 5 rings as an assistant. 3 are as a head coach, same number as Walsh. You may have some wet dreams that Belichick will win 7+, but fact is that Seifert won the 1990 superbowl with a team that was essentially put together by Walsh and came within a Roger Craig fumble of defending it.
    So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
    Walsh’s greatness also comes from how many good coaches have come behind him. How many successful coaches has Belichick brought up?

  20. “raiderlyfe510 says:

    All I Know is that Kyle Boller is the worst QB in the history of the forward pass.”
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    Not so sure. Did you watch the Donald Holas years?

  21. “When Montana wins his 4th SB, then he can be spoken about in he same breath as Terry Bradshaw.”
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    Wow the lack of knowledge in that statement is incredible. You must not have been old enough to have seen the NFL during Montana’s career. Google “Joe Montana” Here’s a little hint Montana is the ONLY 3 time Super Bowl MVP as a QB. 😉

  22. kisstherings said:

    “Bill only saw Brady as a backup until he actually got in there??
    Do you’re research dude. Belichick is a master of the draft because he doesn’t reach for players and takes them at the spot where they have the most value. Nobody was going to take Brady in the first 4 rounds, why should he have. And there was talk in the preseason of 2001 that he might bench Bledsoe.”

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    LOL, master of the draft my ass. Explain to me the crappy Patriot drafts of 2006, 2007, and 2008. Princess.

  23. Paul Brown was the greatest coach in football history.

    How many championships did he win?

    What other coach won an NFL championship in his teams FIRST year in the NFL?

    And by referring to Walsh as “one Brown’s best known pupils” sums it up. It’s not Bill Walsh’s “coaching tree”, it’s Paul Brown’s.

    Don’t be afraid of knowledge kids. It’s actually good for you.

  24. NoWearMan says:
    Oct 25, 2011 6:16 PM
    Paul Brown was the greatest coach in football history.

    How many championships did he win?

    What other coach won an NFL championship in his teams FIRST year in the NFL?

    And by referring to Walsh as “one Brown’s best known pupils” sums it up. It’s not Bill Walsh’s “coaching tree”, it’s Paul Brown’s.

    Don’t be afraid of knowledge kids. It’s actually good for you.
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    No doubt Paul Brown was great and Walsh learnt from him but when your kid grows up and has his own family, it’s his family, not yours.

    When Walsh put his signature on the NFL and had his own pupils, it became his own tree. No one will discredit Brown, but to say that it’s Brown’s coaching tree is just wrong. Walsh brought up guys like Seifert, Holmgren, Shanahan, Hackett, etc.

  25. I wish all these “johnny come latelys” would quit with the, “look it up” I lived it, I know, I don’t need google/wikipedia to tell me so.

  26. howley1 says:
    Oct 25, 2011 4:58 PM
    You can always argue who number 2 is for QB, but there is no argument who number 1 is … Joe Montana …

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    I’ll take Otto Graham.
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    Did you even see Graham play? Some people are like parrots; they’ll repeat whatever anyone says.

  27. howley1 says:
    Oct 25, 2011 4:54 PM
    What year did they start cheating the salary cap rules to win?

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    Very likely the year that the salary cap began, 1994. However, the 49ers were also fined for giving players extra-contractual bonuses that were against league rules in the late 80′s.
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    Very same year the cowboys cheated, I’m sure.

  28. I just want to point out that the very last coach that Bill Walsh mentored was Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh spent a lot of time with Walsh during Walsh’s last couple of years. Walsh liked Harbaugh and spent a lot of time talking with him about strategy, personnel, game management and philosophy.

    That’s one of the reasons Harbaugh was dead set on going to the Niners and Niner fans should be very thankful for this turn of events.

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