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Urban Meyer: Alex Smith, Tim Tebow got blamed for bad teams

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Urban Meyer coached 49ers quarterback Alex Smith at Utah and Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow at Florida, and after watching them have their ups and downs in the NFL, Meyer has come to one conclusion: When Smith and Tebow have been criticized, the criticism really ought to go to their teams.

“I follow the NFL a lot with Alex, Tim and other players,” Meyer told the Sacramento Bee. “It’s amazing to me in the NFL that if you’re on a really bad team – bad offense, bad defense, bad kicking game – then it’s the quarterback’s fault. Alex was like my son. I was real close to Alex. I watched coordinator after coordinator come out of there. The defense was ranked near the bottom every year. It’s a really bad team. And all of a sudden, it’s, ‘Well, Alex can’t play.’ And I’m thinking, ‘What are you talking about? Alex certainly can play.’ It’s the same thing with Tim. So quarterbacks, they get far too much credit and far too much blame.”

Smith has had seven different offensive coordinators in seven seasons, and Tebow is now on his second offense in his second season. Meyer said he thinks quarterbacks need stability, although he said Smith is having his best season this year in large part because 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh knows what Smith needs to succeed.

“From what I understand, he’s very comfortable with the system,” Meyer said.

As for Tebow, he’s in a system with a coach who inherited him from the previous regime and was very reluctant to make him the starter. That’s not a great recipe for a quarterback to succeed. But if the Broncos don’t succeed, Meyer doesn’t think Tebow deserves the blame.

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56 Responses to “Urban Meyer: Alex Smith, Tim Tebow got blamed for bad teams”
  1. patpatriotagain says: Oct 29, 2011 7:22 AM

    does he deserve the blame if he sucks? ’cause..you know…he kinda does.

  2. broncfolife says: Oct 29, 2011 7:24 AM

    Well said……

  3. stixzidinia says: Oct 29, 2011 7:31 AM

    Or maybe you made zero attempt to develop your QB’s, Mr. Meyer. Look in the mirror buddy. You’re a huge reason why Tebow is such a one dimensional QB.

  4. fusstr8tedfinfan says: Oct 29, 2011 7:32 AM

    Unless they played in Miami where everyone stinks.

  5. tinopuno says: Oct 29, 2011 7:37 AM

    “But if the Broncos don’t succeed, Meyer doesn’t think Tebow deserves the blame.”

    Meyer hinted it was all God’s fault!

  6. jpb12 says: Oct 29, 2011 7:38 AM

    Two very different QB’s.

    Good for Alex Smith and the 49ers for sticking with him instead of turning him into the next Davd Carr. THis guy was drafted ahead of Aaron Rodgers because he had the potential to be a NFL QB.

    Tebow is just a raw athlete, with a strong will and HORRIFIC mechanics at the QB position. His skills will get old and his accuracy won’t get better.

    If this guy plays a long time, he’ll be in a wheelchair like Earl Campbell.

  7. hghissatan says: Oct 29, 2011 7:40 AM

    Urban Meyer QB Camp: See if you can hit me with that beachball.

  8. joetoronto says: Oct 29, 2011 7:47 AM

    Meyer should stick to kiddie ball, where things are simple enough for him to understand.

  9. atlien698 says: Oct 29, 2011 7:57 AM

    Maybe “Urb” is right, but I find it interesting he waits until smith is having some success (albeit 6 years later) to come out and blame the other 52 players and coaches from the past.

  10. rdrs68 says: Oct 29, 2011 7:58 AM

    Timmy can pray all he wants but someday he might wake up and realize that God just doesn’t give a rat’s ass who wins a game.

  11. tim1999 says: Oct 29, 2011 7:58 AM

    Meyer is right on. The Broncos traded Tebow’s one legit offensive weapon in Brandon Lloyd before he starts his first game and yet the commentary was all about how bad Tebow looked for 3 qtrs in his 1st start. Tebow started to play better when Fox started to open up that offense. Broncos are not a good team and it has nothing to do with who their QB is.

  12. Patriot42 says: Oct 29, 2011 8:00 AM

    If any QB deserves a team built around him is Tebow. He is a different type QB and if he succeeds it will be because they are committed to wanting him to be the franchise QB. I don’t think Denver will and if Tebow is able to adapt to what Denver gives him then great but I don’t see Tebow a bronco next year.

  13. browningnagle says: Oct 29, 2011 8:12 AM

    A Smith is def a little better then he gets credit for…..7 O.C.’s, that’s pretty rough….don’t follow SF to closely, but I hope a couple front office people lost jobs too. That’s some piss poor decisions up top as well.

  14. hghissatan says: Oct 29, 2011 8:16 AM

    >the commentary was all about how bad Tebow looked for 3 qtrs in his 1st start

    When you miss a wide open receiver by 6 yards and then send a sideline pass almost into the stands you’ll get commentary like that.

  15. jerseypatriot76 says: Oct 29, 2011 8:35 AM

    Nobody put a gun to these teams’ and told them to draft these guys this high. Tebow never should have been drafted in the first round and Alex Smith’s hands did not shrink after the combine.

  16. btwicey says: Oct 29, 2011 8:43 AM

    Top 6 qb in fantasy scoring every week he’s started (4) so far. Love u timmy. God bless u

  17. stixzidinia says: Oct 29, 2011 8:49 AM

    3 quarters? More like 56 of 60 minutes last week saw some of the worst performance ever attached to the QB position at any level. LOL @ Denver fans for not realizing that and the Denver media for hilarious headlines like “Tim-tastic!” following that win.

  18. rbecks9 says: Oct 29, 2011 8:57 AM

    Urban, both the dudes suck. Great college QB’s but there is a long list of those: Charlie Ward, Eric Crouch, Major Harris, Andre Ware, David Klingler, Danny Wuerful, the list goes on. All those guys were “winners”, but that doesn’t translate to good QB in the NFL. Tebow can’t hit the broadside of a barn. No free agent receiver would go to Denver (at least not any good one’s) to play with Tebow. Tebow is a great dude, but is a horrendous passer. He’s laughable!

  19. bucforever says: Oct 29, 2011 9:02 AM

    Hey it’s all good. The Bucs are off Sunday so I think I will have to find a way to watch my favorite Gator against the Lions. Listen , Tebow is young , strong with an undeniable will to win. Time is on his side . Talent can be developed and coached. The heart of a champion can not.

  20. natigator says: Oct 29, 2011 9:04 AM

    As with most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    Coach Meyer does bring up some very valid points….it is hard enough for a rookie to get adjusted to the change in speed of the NFL along with the more sophisticated schemes the teams run. To throw a rookie (or someone who hasn’t started yet) on a team with a defense ranked in the bottom 5 of the league along with an offense lacking elite playmakers, it is putting that QB in a poor situation to succeed.

    However, elite QBs can put up numbers even with very bad teams, even if they dont chalk up a ton of wins. Cam Newton took over a 2-14 team last year, and while the Panthers aren’t piling up wins his performance gives everyone believe that he can be a successful QB in this league. Same with Peyton as a rookie, sure he threw his picks and the Colts didnt have many wins, but he was lighting defenses up.

  21. notorious343 says: Oct 29, 2011 9:08 AM

    Dude really just said the niners defense sucks. What an idiot. There defense has nothing to do with Alex putting points on the board. It has been there offensive line. Hard to make good plays and good decision when u gotta run around after taking 2 steps after the snap. …There defense have been good against the run for years now and if it wasn’t for way overpaid Nate clements biting on every pump fake looking like a fool and getting burnt on every play that went his way then there pass game wouldnt have looked so bad statistically. Watch some film bud. The offensive line has been Alex smiths problem. It makes me wonder if urb even watches football.

  22. nesuperfan says: Oct 29, 2011 9:13 AM

    Some of the things Meyer says are probably true.

    First, Denver is not very good on defense (they are 21st overall). Second, the offensive line stinks as they gave up 7 sacks last week. Part of that certainly is Tebow holding the ball too long, but holding the ball too long is, in part, due to his lack of quality receivers.

    Lastly, imagine how hard it is to succeed with a coach you know does not really want to give you a chance…that is nearly impossible. It is hard to judge Tebow at this point since he has not been given enough consecutive starts to get a rhythm.

  23. TheWizard says: Oct 29, 2011 9:14 AM

    he might wake up and realize that God just doesn’t give a rat’s ass who wins a game

    I don’t recall him saying any such thing.

    Maybe you just have a hangup with his beliefs.

  24. Spencer says: Oct 29, 2011 9:25 AM

    Can we just go one day without a Tebow article? Seriously. Whatever happens with him, can it just play out without being debated to death and every comment about him getting posted? There’s really nothing new right now.

  25. dcfan4life says: Oct 29, 2011 9:26 AM

    “Tebow is just a raw athlete, with a strong will and HORRIFIC mechanics at the QB position. His skills will get old and his accuracy won’t get better. ”
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    Sometimes raw skill, intelligence, legs and a will to win is enough in a good offensive system. Prime example is Donovan Mcnabb. Who if anyone watched over the years, knows was overrated and not that accurate, yet may be a hall of famer.

  26. nationalmediacansuckit says: Oct 29, 2011 9:30 AM

    Well they are usually the highest paid player for a reason. A good QB can covers up flaws on a bad team(Colts). A bad QB will get the credit is he’s the media darling. The media covered Tebow this week like he was Zeus and the Broncos are a bad team. A QB will get good credit for a win and bad for a loss. That will never change.

  27. dcfan4life says: Oct 29, 2011 9:31 AM

    “If any QB deserves a team built around him is Tebow.”
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    Hard to argue that point after seeing the Colts do that for Manning and now lose Manning. How did that plan work. Ask the Patriots how to win 11 games without Tom Brady, because they know. Ask the Steelers how to win 3/4 games without Ben Rothlesberger, because they know. Ask the Packers how to win without Ryan Grant, Jermikael Finley, and half the defense, because they know. The best TEAMS dont rely on one player and never should. Especially an inaccurate QB like Tebow.

  28. moseszd says: Oct 29, 2011 9:44 AM

    The best way to find a college QB is to look at his production against winning teams/bowl teams. Get rid of all the padding from Div II and 1-11 teams and just look at how did he perform against top teams.

    When you look at that criteria, Tom Brady isn’t a 6th rounder. In the past 15 years he was one of the top ‘big game/tough opponent’ QBs in college coming in at #3 behind Bradford and Roethlesberger and just ahead of Peyton Manning. Phillip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers. All of whom have been outstanding QBs.

    Alex Smith came in at 11th, ahead of Schaub, Stafford and Flacco. That’s pretty good.

    Tim Tebow was down there with Chad Henne, Colt Brennen and Troy Smith. Not because anyone hates him, just because he showed in college he couldn’t play well against good compettion. And QBs that fail against good college competition rarely succeed in the NFL.

    And it’s not that he can’t succeed. I’ve seen poorer college QBs succeed — David Garrad was one. But for every Garrad there are 20 failures… So the betting man says the chances aren’t very good that Tebow will succeed.

  29. mwcarolina says: Oct 29, 2011 9:53 AM

    first off, for Smith, i think it’s been a string of bad luck and what REALLY hurt his career was LOSING Norv Turner, if he still had Turner, i bet we dont discuss him as a bust. As for Tim Tebow, i still say to give this a while before giving up, even if he fails in denver, give this time. Tebow is more of a project than any QB that was picked in the 1st round EVER. anyways, Alex Smith is doing ok now. if he stays next year, he could finally become the player we expected.

  30. moseszd says: Oct 29, 2011 9:55 AM

    notorious343 says:Oct 29, 2011 9:08 AM

    Watch some film bud. The offensive line has been Alex smiths problem. It makes me wonder if urb even watches football.

    It’s not just the o-line, most of their receivers since 2005 have been bad. There is Crap-tree who is mediocre and makes JJ Stokes look like a pro-bowler (really, 5-drops already, after 7 last year, are you kidding me? Learn to catch…). And Gore who is one of the worst receiving backs in the NFL (ok runner, crappy receiver). Then we have palookas like Lelie, Ginn, and a host of other fifth-rate clowns whose names I can’t remember. All of whom were lousy WRs.

    And the stats bear it out. Again. The 49ers are tied for 11th in the NFL in drops. They’ve thrown the fewest passes (32nd) in the NFL.

    Those numbers should be close to each other. Instead, they’re widely divergent. And not in a good way.

    It took Davis until 2007 to play well. It took Morgan until this year to play well. And Walker, who has playing well for two years, has been ignored by the OCs until this year.

    So, it’s not just the line. Except for Davis, and Morgan this year (plus Walker in a very limited role) none of the other receivers on the team have done anything since Smith was drafted.

    It’s a joke that Smith gets blamed for everything. I’d hold the ball and check down too. These receivers have been clowns since TO left town.

  31. raiderrob21 says: Oct 29, 2011 9:57 AM

    And its that way of thinking that will keep you coaching in college. The college gimmick QB doesnt work in the NFL. Smith and Tebow both suck as NFL QBs and always will. Make all the excuses you want for each one, Smith is in year 7 and still sucks. Look at Stafford, Bradford, Cam, Dalton etc. All way ahead Of Alexs 7 year learning (excuses) curve.

    Raider Nation!

  32. buttababy1 says: Oct 29, 2011 10:16 AM

    If any QB deserves a team built around him is Tebow. He is a different type QB and if he succeeds it will be because they are committed to wanting him to be the franchise QB. I don’t think Denver will and if Tebow is able to adapt to what Denver gives him then great but I don’t see Tebow a bronco next year.

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    He doesn’t “deserve” anything. The only way you can build a team around Tebow is if you start 8 offensive linemen, a running back and a tight end that doesn’ run any patterns more than 7 yards downfield.

    Tebow didn’t play better “when Fox opened up the offense”, he played better when the Dolphins (perhaps the worst team in the league) went into a Prevent Defense and allowed the receivers space to be absolutely wide open. His TE bailed him out big time on a horrible pass that wobbled so bad, most people wondered if it had been deflected.

    People are already making excuses for if/when he fails.

  33. mrplow3 says: Oct 29, 2011 10:18 AM

    Alex Smith has shown flashes of brilliance throughout his career, yes I said brilliance. In his case, Urban Meyer is 100% correct. 7 OC’s in 7 years? Are you kidding me?

    As for Tebow, considering he has a mere handful of games in the NFL to view I’m not sure what the hell we are judging yet. I will say this though. In every gane he’s played in the NFL he has scored 14 points or more in the 4th quarter. That’s a damn impressive stat. Even so, the jury is still out on him due to his hideous mechanics.

  34. Derty Ernie says: Oct 29, 2011 10:47 AM

    People like to say that poor Tim Tebow was picked on from the beginning. The facts are indisputable: Tebow arrived at Denver and ended up number two or three on the QB chart behind a so so Kyle Orton.Had Tebow wowed em as they say he would have been the starter.

    Cam Newton started, and other first round picks started because they were paid a lot and there was no reason to sit them, since the teams weren’t that good, what was there to loose.
    Tebow is never going to be the go to guy. He is not that skilled.

  35. stixzidinia says: Oct 29, 2011 10:49 AM

    Sometimes raw skill, intelligence, legs and a will to win is enough in a good offensive system.

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    Intelligence and evangelical religious beliefs are mutually exclusive. No person with the capacity for rational and critical thought puts much stock into the mythology of organized religious texts.

  36. Stiller43 says: Oct 29, 2011 11:10 AM

    Patriots defense sucks, but brady wins (and will continue to win, likely this sunday) whether theyre good or bad.

    That being said, i’ve always thought alex wasnt given a true chance with all those changes every year, but tebow is not going to succeed with john fox. The man just simply doesnt believe in him. Nor do i…

  37. steelerchicken says: Oct 29, 2011 11:38 AM

    Has he ever watched the Colts? Good team with that guy named Peyton Manning and worst team with another QB.

    The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Dilfer. Jeff Hostetler won a Super Bowl as a starter. Steelers were one step away from a Super Bowl with guys such as Kordell Stewart and Mark Malone. They had a defense & offensive lines.

    You need good players around you but you also need all the QB tools and Tebow has none. Not sure about Alex Smith since the 49ers are never on television until this year.

  38. cuda1234 says: Oct 29, 2011 11:49 AM

    Why does anyone pay attention to Uban Meyer and his weekend “getaway buddy” Tim Tebow? Meyer quit on every kid he ever recruited. He’ chased the money and the glory even more than most coaches. He took over a loaded team from Ron Zook and won his first year while tearing the team apart. He left the program in shambles with no skill position players and more felons than NFL prospects. He quit on UF twice, but managed to stay on the payroll. Then while supposedly staying home to be with his kids he took a job in another state that requires him to work nights and weekends. Why would anyone believe anything that comes out of this guy’s mouth?

  39. descendency says: Oct 29, 2011 11:52 AM

    So why did Jim Harbaugh get Smith to not suck by bringing in a new system?

    Wouldn’t that be more instability?

  40. billb49 says: Oct 29, 2011 11:56 AM

    notorious343: “Dude really just said the niners defense sucks. What an idiot.”

    Before you start calling people idiots, you might think about working on your reading comprehension. He didn’t say the defense “sucks.” He said it has been bad in the past when they weren’t succeeding. If you go back and look at the numbers, you’ll see that while the Niner defense has been pretty good against the run for the last six or seven years (anywhere between top ten and lower 20’s), they have not been good against the pass and they have not been good at getting off the field on third down. This year, they’re doing a lot better in those areas. This year, they’re not only better against the run (top five), but they have lots more three-and-outs than they have for many seasons.

  41. billb49 says: Oct 29, 2011 12:02 PM

    At this point, comparing Alex Smith to Brady or Manning or Montana is irrelevant. Nobody finds those kinds of players very often. That’s why they’re all Hall of Famers. The question, at the moment, is can Alex Smith be an effective QB in the NFL? To me, this season he’s beginning to show that with the right coaching, he can be effective. Once he proves himself to be effective, then we can see if he keeps growing and possibly start with those kinds of comparisons.

  42. realitypolice says: Oct 29, 2011 12:04 PM

    Translation:

    “Pay no attention to the fact that I may not be the offensive guru everyone thinks I am and that I may, in fact, be really terrible at getting QBs ready to play at the next level”.

    “How will I ever get top QB talent to come to Ohio State when I take that job next year if recruits realize that my program doesn’t produce NFL ready Qbs?”

  43. realfootballfan says: Oct 29, 2011 12:17 PM

    You sure the 49ers had a bad defense and special teams the past few years, Urban? It’s actually been pretty good considering that they’ve been compensating for one of the worst passing offenses run by one of the worst QBs in football, who by the way had a pretty good running game to back him up.

    Think the guy got screwed over with so many offensive coordinators, but I said the same thing when I heard that excuse for Jason Campbell, at some point, it’s just an excuse.

    There are essentially two schools of thought on passing offense in the NFL, vertical passing and the West Coast offense, with different variations on them.

    Being inaccurate, throwing interceptions, and not making your teammates better have nothing to do with what offense you’re playing.

  44. Deb says: Oct 29, 2011 1:18 PM

    Oh how it pains me to say this: Urban is right.

  45. fatfreddystubbs says: Oct 29, 2011 2:00 PM

    Translation:

    “Pay no attention to the fact that I may not be the offensive guru everyone thinks I am and that I may, in fact, be really terrible at getting QBs ready to play at the next level”.

    “How will I ever get top QB talent to come to Ohio State when I take that job next year if recruits realize that my program doesn’t produce NFL ready Qbs?”

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    Well, as to your first point, it’s his job to have QB’s that win college games, not get them NFL ready.

    And as to your second point, name the last Ohio State QB to make a pro bowl, yet Terrelle Pryor (no.1 recruit in the country, went there. Braxton Miller was pretty high up the recruiting food chain too). Not an Ohio State fan, in fact, as a Penn State fan i pretty much loathe them, but if you think Meyer will have a problem getting talent at OSU (qb or otherwise) you’re out of your frikkin mind.

  46. blkmanwtan says: Oct 29, 2011 2:00 PM

    What’s Urban Meyers said is true, but this isn’t college football where you can recruit the best players. If Tebow and Smith were as good as Urban think, then they would adjust to the NFL.

  47. ownbay says: Oct 29, 2011 2:14 PM

    He’s just trying deflect blame from him that he produces crappy NFL QBs.

  48. fissels says: Oct 29, 2011 3:25 PM

    Can we just go one day without a Tebow article? Seriously. Whatever happens with him, can it just play out without being debated to death and every comment about him getting posted? There’s really nothing new right now.

    I agree. Tebow articles just bring out all the Tebow haters. We’ve heard it all before.

  49. ijr213 says: Oct 29, 2011 3:30 PM

    He does have some point, but it isn’t like Urban Meyer was going about ensuring either would have the greatest success at the next level anyway. Meyer didn’t work with Tebow to help with his delivery. He didn’t show them how to take snaps under center. He didn’t exactly show them how to progress passes either. He assembled great players that fit his system, but didn’t help them grow so that they could expand into different systems down the road.

    I think Meyer is starting to hear some of the blame that’s been attributed to him. And to a certain extent, they’re right.

  50. eaglessuperfan says: Oct 29, 2011 3:56 PM

    I’m glad someone with some clout has stood up and said this. Both the players mentioned have their faults. But he has a valid point.

  51. macker1283 says: Oct 29, 2011 4:08 PM

    Meyer just can’t understand…why dont NFL coaches just recruit the best players so they can be the best team every single year?

  52. madisonave99 says: Oct 29, 2011 9:51 PM

    Urban is correct. Alex Smith went to a terrible team and has had 6 Off Coordinators in 6 years and 3-4 head coaches in that time frame. That’s learning a new system every season–nobody can expect to have sustained success with that kind of inconsistency, especially if you’re on a bad team–which is what the Niners have been for the most part since he was drafted. The Broncos are AWFUL, and just traded away the one good receiver Tebow has to throw the ball to. You’ve gotta give QB’s a team around them and consistent coaching in order for them to develop. Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Big Ben, Brees, etc. all have 2 main things in common–good O-Lines and consistent coaching. You can’t draft a QB to a terrible team, give him nothing to work with, then when the team and offense still suck, call the QB a “bust”. So many young QB’s never get a decent or fair shot to develop these days because they wind up on teams that are run with no fluidity

  53. 2ndaryinsanity says: Oct 29, 2011 11:15 PM

    Alex Smith has gotten a pretty raw deal in San Fransisco- a revolving door at offensive coordinator and head coach. Plus, there’s been very little offensive talent around him. What impresses me is he doesn’t piss and moan about it, or make excuses (Donovan McNabb could learn a thing or two from Smith!). Alex is a true professional, and I think his career will benefit from having a coach that believes in him and knows how to utilize his talent.
    Tebow is another story completely…his throwing mechanics stink and he’s HORRIBLE at reading defenses. As it’s been demonstrated over and over…just because a guy is a super star in college doesn’t mean he’ll make a good NFL quarterback. Urban Meyer should probably keep his mouth shut…he didn’t do anything to improve Tebow’s mechanics or get him ready for the NFL.

  54. axespray says: Oct 30, 2011 3:48 AM

    Ryan Leaf and Jarmarcus Russel both have talent man, it was just the coaches and the rest of the team ….

    not the fact that the guy is an awful leader, average nfl qb (at best)… ka-Durrh!?

  55. beanocook says: Oct 31, 2011 10:31 PM

    My god the NFL has such an inferiority complex vs college football. Get over yourselves NFL, smart football fans already space out on Sunday, B-O-R-I-N-G! Leave the NFL to middle aged, balding, overweight white men.

    The blame should rest squarely with these NFL scouting departments. What a joke they are. Nobody held a gun to their heads. How on earth do you take a guy #1 overall and miss like this? At least the Raiders have two excuses, their owner was senile and J Russell gained 100 lbs and didn’t care.

    From all reports, A Smith is a high character guy, works hard, etc….from all evidence, SF is a terrible franchise. A joke. A far cry from the culture of winning he enjoyed under Meyer.

    What NFL team drafts a QB so high and then asks him to run an completely different offense? You can’t be that stupid can you?

    Urban Meyer knows more about football than 99% of the coaches that ever coached in the NFL. There is a reason great head coaches can bank more money over a career in college than the NFL, 1) Universities have unlimited money, NFL teams do not 2) college coaches get to pick the players too

    The NFL is stone age football. No innovation, no creativity.

  56. beanocook says: Oct 31, 2011 10:32 PM

    Meyer dominated with these guys. Ha! These NFL joke coaches can’t even coax a win or two out of them. What a joke these coaches are.

    John Fox was an utter failure and disaster in Carolina. No Super Bowls!!!!

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