Lions defender on Tebow: “That’s your quarterback? Seriously?”

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As Biblical figures go, Broncos Tim Tebow most often is compared to the Main Character of the New Testament (whose middle initial may or may not be “H”).  As Tebow’s pro football career is going, perhaps he’s best likened to one of the many leading men of the Old Testament.

Job.

Tebow is facing a torrent of criticism after Sunday’s butt-ugly loss to the Lions, both from within Denver and from the team that dismantled Tebow and the Broncos.

An unnamed Lions defender shared this assessment of Tebow with Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports:  “Can you believe 15?  Come on – that’s embarrassing.  I mean, it’s a joke.  We knew all week that if we brought any kind of defensive pressure, he couldn’t do anything.  In the second half it got boring out there.  We were like, ‘Come on – that’s your quarterback? Seriously?'”

Defensive end Cliff Avril was a bit more restrained.  “As long as he felt our pressure, he was gonna make crazy decisions.”

And defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, referring to a controversial Friday headline from NFL.com that couched the Lions-Broncos game as a battle of good vs. evil, put it, “Evil prevails.”

As explained in the Week Eight Monday 10-pack, it’s time for the Broncos to begin planning the next chapter of the Book of Tebow.  And if the goal is for the Heisman winner to continue playing football in the NFL, the story will begin with an exodus to a new position.

149 responses to “Lions defender on Tebow: “That’s your quarterback? Seriously?”

  1. Wow, I don’t have a lot of respect for Tebow as a QB, but you don’t go from being a rising star to a total washout based on a single performance.

  2. Man, the undercurrent here that nobody is talking about is the Lions trash-talking again…..

    You beat him. No reason to rub his nose in it both during the game (mocking his celebration) and post game with these comments.

    We get it. You’re a good team and a winner. Now start acting like it.

  3. Tebow isn’t ready…not “just needs playing time” not ready, I mean not ready at all. He needs to get his mechanics and his grasp of the offense and NFL defenses straightened out. Then he’ll be ready to get out there and play through his lumps. He’ll never improve doing like they are now.

  4. I just “pray” John Fox’s job isnt in Tebows hands. Tebow may have parted the Miami Seas, but couldn’t battle Lions effectively. If a higher power truly gave Tim Tebow the ability to win a football game, then he also gave the Lions the ability to kick his butt, make him look awful, and pretty much anoint him “the worst QB in the NFL.” Pretty mean of that higher power if you ask me…

  5. Tim Tebow…with the way those passes fluttered, it was more like if Tim Wakefield was a QB. Unfortunately for Tebow, the idea behind the QB pass is to throw a ball that is catchable, preferably to someone on your team. Broncos fans, you asked for Barrabas, now you have him.

  6. Big balls coming from an unnamed player.

    Not saying he isn’t right, I just seems real weak to me that he isn’t man enough to put his own name behind his own actions. Weak character.

  7. The funniest part about all this Tebow hype bull$h!t is that broncos fans actually believed he could produce and their season was saved after that colossal win in Miami. Anyone who thinks this guy can be a productive NFL QB should have their head checked.

  8. Can’t these guys just shut up and play. They act all arrogant and trash talk all the time. It wasn’t so long that they were 0-16, I went from wishing the lions well to hating their guts.

  9. First off i must say… i am a BIG time Lions fan!

    Seriously guys?! Why don’t you (Lions players) just shut your mouth and let your play do your talking! I am so sick of the off the field quotes after the game. If you guys think you have a chance in the playoffs you need to be able to handle the success! I love the bad boy image that is being displayed on the field. I love the fear you can strike into offensive game plans. The only thing that is going to get this franchise to the next level is swagger. True leaders to talk about winning…true champions don’t talk about how great they are… true winners show it on the field and let their play do the talking. Sounds all so cliché, but its the only way to do it. Actions speak louder than words… hows that for a cliche, but its true. Now get out there and show the Packers that they will not just walk away with another Championship without a fight! Go Lions!

  10. Bronco fan here. You should hear the fans out here, to them Tebow is still the hero. All the blame is being put elsewhere it seems. The news is always showing that ridiculous tebowing move. I’m losing hope as a fan with our broncos. Tebow could be great one day but it sure isn’t now, he has a lot of growing to do and making him play now is a mistake.

  11. I’ll say one thing for the guy—it’s not his fault that some fans believed he’d be great instead of awful. He was probably as shocked as anyone that Denver reached for him in the draft.

    But now reality sets in. They might not get Luck, but they need a real QB like crazy.

  12. Pretty obvious that the Lions haven’t ‘been there before.’

    Every week something new from these clowns. I was kind of pulling for them, but will now enjoy watching them fail.

  13. The story on Sunday will remain the same, until John Elway acquires an offensive line. Regardless who is quarterback, the result will not change, blocking comes first.

  14. I usually hate all the Lions trash talk, but today it’s hilarious to me. Keep piling on this guy.

    Maybe he can “write” about it an addendum to his autobiography.

    Or maybe he can make a commercial about it to show during the Super Bowl.

    Or maybe he can go talk about it on talk shows and the speech circuit.

    Or maybe…you get the point. He’s asked for it.

  15. Didn’t his mama teach him “If you can’t find anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all!”???

  16. His career is over, not allowed to have one bad game on a losing team in the NFL. He needs to retire I guess. People really overreact to everything Tebow does and it’s pathetic.

  17. jrmbadger says: Oct 31, 2011 11:35 AM

    Man, the undercurrent here that nobody is talking about is the Lions trash-talking again…..
    You beat him. No reason to rub his nose in it both during the game (mocking his celebration) and post game with these comments.
    We get it. You’re a good team and a winner. Now start acting like it.
    ********************************************************

    This is exactly why I believe what Atlanta said last week about them talking crap while Ryan was on the ground.

  18. Look, Tebow isn’t the answer obviously and isn’t all that good. No surprise there…

    BUT, the Lions are complete garbage the way that they handle themselves… not only garnering a reputation for dirty play, but acting completely juvenile on the field…. even lowering themselves to mocking the opposing team (I mean seriously? “Tebowing” after a sack?)…. only the most worthless of human beings would ever find the humor in that kind of thing…

    and Suh is complete and utter TRASH in my opinion with hsi comments and behavior.

    I can’t wait for these guys to make the play-offs and get their asses handed to them!

  19. Denver’s in a roughly tough spot. Yes, the Broncos are hurting for O line and receivers. The McDaniels fiasco will have effects for years to come. Tebow is a living legacy of that.

    But even Orton played pretty poorly even taking into account the offense’s shortcomings. So the fan base wants Tebow out there no matter what.

    Elway and Fox are stuck between a rock and a hard place with nowhere to go till the team can be remade.

  20. The backup QB is always the most popular guy on the team, especially when he’s a likable guy like Tebow.

    I’m not a Denver Tebows fan, but I do live in Denver and my bartender agrees – the team sucks anyway so play the kid and see what he can do. If he shows some promise, stick with him. If he sucks the rest of the season, you can finally move on.

    I do think the organization is trying to set him up for failure (see Brandon Lloyd), but having him fail for 6 or 8 weeks will be what it takes to be able to ship him out without the fans revolting.

  21. The Dolphins gave the Broncos a week of NAtion-wide TebowMania. We took it on the chin, and let you gloat.

    Now, you get Tebow and prolonged question marks at QB. God willing, we get Andrew Luck.

  22. People, no o-line on the planet can consistently prevent a QB from getting sacked when he has the ball for 8-10 seconds. It’s ridiculous.

  23. Yeah, the defense, offensive line, running backs, receivers dropping balls, and play calling had nothing to do with this loss (obvious sarcasm for those of you who don’t get it)…it was obviously all on Tebow. If you guys are going to comment, please take the time to WATCH the game, rather than comment on the box score.

  24. Tim Tebow is a football player, not a quarterback. He is the most mismanaged player in NFL history. He should be playing H-back, Split-end, tight-end. You can use him in the redzone as a Wildcat threat//run/pass combo. If he was on any other team, they would try to use his strengths, not weaknesses. What is being overshadowed here is that the Broncos get outcoached every week too.

  25. It’s amazing how quickly a little success and a few wins went to the Lions heads and turned them into classless punks. Shut up and focus on playing the game instead of feeling like you have to disrespect everyone since you finally won a few games.

  26. What cracks me up is…who does this surprise? Were analysts REALLY that fooled by Tebow’s late heroics against the punchless Dolphins?

    The media should be just as embarrassed for thinking Tebow was going to be a difference maker any time soon.

  27. “andyr2120 says:
    Oct 31, 2011 11:34 AM
    Wow, I don’t have a lot of respect for Tebow as a QB, but you don’t go from being a rising star to a total washout based on a single performance.”

    That’s the problem.. Tebow was never a “rising star.” He was only painted that way by a bunch of Tebow fanboys. Anyone who has actually watched him attempt to throw a football understood this long before yesterday’s embarrassment to the entire league.

  28. Schwartz was back to his smiling and laughing on the sidelines act again. Didn’t he learn anything from getting owned last week?

  29. My guess is that no lions player said anything about Tebow, and Mr. Mike Silver just needed to stir up some controversy to cover the lack of a story he had in Denver with Tebow throwing ducks all day

  30. This was John Fox saying to the fans, “You want Tebow? Here’s Tebow.” He had to do it to show them. I think he’ll go with Orton from here on out, even Quinn! Tebow should really start learning the fullback or Wildcat position. Maybe even a slot receiver? He could do some damage there.

  31. These tebow fans / bible pushers gotta go. I get it. He’s a fine upstanding america boy. I wish the media would ask him about mike Vick so he could say mike paid his due and should be allowed back into the league and he should be forgiven and given a chance to redeem himself. And then all of tebows fans would disappear. Because there all frauds. And hypocrites. and they don’t practice what they preach

  32. I find it odd that taking a knee and giving thanks or just praying in general is now called “tebowing”. No one ever mocked Reggie White for it. I don’t see anyone being mocked when they gather at mid field after the game and do it. How about when someone gets hurt and players gather, take a knee and pray ?…. is that now “tebowing” ? It just seem crazy that so many people hate this guy for being a decent person.

    Go Dolphins (yes I know they suck)

  33. Maybe people always are ragging on him because he comes off like a sanctimonious phony. He puts himself on a pedastol that isn’t deserved. There’s lots of religious, upstanding, quality-character athletes out there, and none of them get the adoration Tebow does for it, not do they push their values on the public, the way Tebow does.

    Tebow needs to just go away. He sucks. Accept that and move on.

  34. Tebow is 1 -1 as starter,
    Where is Cam at?
    Remember Mannings first year, or Troy Aikman, Steve Young, and John Elway….
    How they fare in their first year or two….

    And what class those Lions are! Really? lets see how well Stafford performed with seven sacks and countless hurries… I used to wish that the Loins be competitve one ….now that they, im very disgusted and disappointed of their classless comments

  35. Lions laughing at another team? Now that’s seriously funny. Lions have been a laughing-stock for 10 years.

  36. Its not just one week or one start. yes the lions put pressure on him, but thats going to happen in football. It is his mechanics, arm, and fundamentals. It isn’t his fault he was drafted in the first round, but honestly he should have never been drafted at all. He throws what very well might be the worst football that i have seen a quarterback in the NFL throw in the last 20 years. Watch some of those catches at the end of the Dolfin game. They ball itself fluttered in there like my 12 year old daughter throws. I feel bad for the guy because he was put into a position he doesnt belong, but I will say I am impressed with his attitude. I dont think his legacy, albeit short, will be as a quitter.

  37. Tebow never was a “rising star”, at least not in terms of being a world-class QB. What he is, is a media star, but let’s not forget the same applies to Paris Hilton who will never be accused of being a great actress.

    As for the Lions, did they all go to the “Ryan School of Winning Classless”? Is this not a broader symptom of the complete lack of decorum and respect in society today? Since when did winning become such a vulgarity? I’m all for a little smack talk and like the entertainment value guys like the Ryans, Suh and others bring to the table, but the Lions are starting to push the boundaries a bit. Let’s see them actually string together some success before they start thinking they are world champs.

  38. Why are a lot of people so hard on the guy? Denver is a bad team, Is Orton’s career done too or just Tebow’s. I have no idea what is going to happen, but the kid is only been in the league for a few years. Is Colt McCoy done too? Put John Elway in front of that team and see what happens. Oh wait that’s right. Elway wouldn’t play for that bad of team. He would sit out and force a trade.

  39. Broncos season ticket holder here…I walked out of the stadium with 14:44 left int he game. I have never, not ONCE left a game early. Tebow needs to switch to tight end, fullback or safety. Great kid, awesome person, horrible NFL QB.

  40. I’m not A Tebow fan but a lot of those Lions that are on this team right now where part of the 0-16 team…just saying

  41. Maybe the best alternative position for Timmah is team chaplain. And it’s time for people to start opening their eyes and seeing that the crazed Tebowmaniacs are all white christians. Tea Party could be renamed the Tebow Party.

  42. Well I’m so glad no other team out there talks trash before during or after the game…the ONLY reason people are griping about the lions are because they are relevant again.. No worries Lions fans… Haters gonna hate! GO LIONS!

  43. I’m sick of all this Tebow hype…and it’s funny how people are ripping Tebow as if he was the one who’s shoving the “I’m the next best thing” down their throats. The fans/media is hyping the guy up and are setting him up for failure. He’s clearly not ready for a role YOU expect him to take. Oh…stay classy Lions!

  44. Tebow had a bad game so did Brees, romo, beck, painter, gabbart, moore, kolb and half the other qbs in the league. You cant judge a guy on one start. Give him time

  45. Pat Bowlen needs to pay Elway to come out of retirement and play. It’s that simple…”This one’s for John” I’m assuming he meant Coors Light

  46. He may not be a NFL quarterback but why bash the guy for his beliefs and convictions… I’m sure those same people are worshiping someone like Vick and admire his traits.

  47. I think my favorite side note to this story is that Lions fans somehow think beating Tebow’s Broncos makes them an elite contender again.

  48. No matter who it is, true professionals and mature adults do not mock or ridicule others. It serves no purpose and causes nothing but ill will. It is hard to teach my son to be a man and a good person in today’s climate.

  49. What a non-story. I’m a Steelers fan, and *every* time they play the Ravens, the trash talk before and after the game is much worse than anything the Lions said. This is child’s play, and only a story because the target is a media darling.

  50. Didn’t know a QB’s entire career would be summed up in 5 starts under 2 different head coaches and the jettisoning of their top receiver.
    As a comparison, here is Donovan McNabb’s line from his rookie season followed by Tebow’s (2011):
    G GS Com Att % YDS avg TD INT SCK RTG
    12 6 106 216 49.1 948 4.4 8 7 28 60.1
    5 2 35 76 46.1 412 5.4 4 1 13 75.1

  51. Before every Tebow fan starts to defend him by coming up with excuses, just remember, Orton played with essentially the same group this year. Lloyd was out for most of the season. The fact is, under Orton, the Broncos were averaging more points than what they’re averaging now under Tebow.

    I told everyone to be careful what you wished for. Well, now you got it. A strength position for the Broncos has now become an utter weakness all because of a popularity contest.

    This is all a joke to everyone outside of Denver. This team is a laughingstock. I don’t think this is what Elway envisioned.

  52. Tebow is divisive not because of his display of religion…it goes beyond that. He was promoted as a star while in middle school. Allowed to play for a high school out of his district while home schooled. Then, when he did become a star at UF, the media hype got out of control.No one ever doubted him. He’s a great young man, but became a master of self-promotion-and the hype just continues. It has gotten a little old for those of us that know the history.

  53. I love how lion fans are so excited to come out with a win against tebow and the broncos…… Was that really an accomplishment? I mean look at the broncos…. There best wr wanted out as soon as there was word tebow might start for the broncos. We all knew this was coming. I’m just curious to why the lions and there fans are so excited about beating the slowest ARM in football and only getting single digit sacks in the process.. Atleast they forgot about those two consecutive home losses . Or were those games irrelevant????

  54. I guess the Lions idiot defenders learned their lesson. Save the trash talk for after the game. In the week prior to the 49ers game, all they did was talk about what a beating they were going to give Alex Smith and the 49ers defense, and then look what happens. Torched by Smith, especially with that 4th and goal game winning touchdown. I applaud the Lions for showing what little restraint they could this time around, although they are still on their way to becoming the Jets of the NFC. All talk, no finish.

  55. The one thing that really hit me about Sunday’s “game” in which TT played “quarterback” was not how ineffective TT was (and he was quite ineffective) but how hard the announcers were trying to find something good to say about his play. The “analysis” sounded so forced. Does the league have a vested interest none of us are aware of in making TT look or seem “good”?

  56. Tim Tebow needs to go play for the Eagles where Andy Reid and Marty Morningweg can mold him into a great QB.

  57. While in Chicago, Kyle Orton couldn’t get on the field because of Rex Grossman. Now he can’t get on the field because of Tim Tebow. Yikes. Guess it sucks to not be a first round pick.

  58. Tebow may not make it as an NFL QB. But I hope my kid grows up to be like him instead of the classless punk Lions. What have they done to merit all the trash talking?

  59. Tebow lost some of what the off-season could have given him because of the lockout. But he’s in his second year and his awful mechanics haven’t changed.

    He can’t throw spirals. He occasionally throws wobblers that are on target. He can’t scan downfield and make a good decision about who to throw to within 6-7 seconds. And the ball should be coming out faster than that anyway.

    If Tebow were a prospect, having seen him play, what round would you draft him in?

  60. This is what happens in the overreaction filled world we live in. One week he’s a hero, the next week, he’s not a QB. I mean yes, he has struggled a ton and he doesn’t play for my team anymore but I will always root for him. You gotta give this guy more of an opportunity. How about the offensive line block? How about the run game get some yards? How about have your WR’s make some plays? I mean, he threw a perfect ball to Eric Decker when it was 0-0 for a TD and he couldn’t get his feet in, how about some blame goes around instead of just blaming one guy who just made his 5th start? What a joke.

  61. “Haters” has the be the lamest, weakest argument ever.

    Everytime I see that word in a comment, I picture a four-year-old with their hands over their ears screaming “na! na! na! I can’t hear you!!!!!!”

    It is admitting you don’t have a valid point to defend.

  62. This phenomena is very simple..although from a true gridiron stand point there are countless other people who deserve the hype more..Tebow sells and true to form us football fans see right through the smoke and the mirrors.

  63. emma….for your important…the law makes it ok for home schooled student to participate in athletics.

  64. Why does TT religion matter when som of you comment on his poor play? I think you have another agenda and Tim is the target.

    PS Lions less talk go beat a winning team …oh wait you can’t!

  65. What are you going to do next week when the Raider’s are doing “The Tebow” all over the feild?
    Win the game, and you stop the talk…simple as that!!!

  66. The Lions talk too much, but their Tebowing pose after the sacks was awesome. Tebow throws religion in everyone’s faces, so they gave it right back to him.

  67. broncobeta says:
    Oct 31, 2011 11:46 AM
    Big balls coming from an unnamed player.

    Not saying he isn’t right, I just seems real weak to me that he isn’t man enough to put his own name behind his own actions. Weak character.

    Agreed. Let me just add

     The Lions seem to have a lot of classless punks on their team. If you’re gonna put ugly words like that out there then man up and put your name to it. What a coward. His words say more about him than they do Tebow.

    Tebow’s performance on the field was atrocious by any standards. The classless behavior of the Lions mocking his convictions was horrific. It’ll be great to see these clowns play the Packers and hopefully the 9ers again in the playoffs. Harbaugh has Schwartz 1 dimensional team figured out.

  68. Listen, as a life long Lions’ fan, if I have to choose between the 0-16 stumble-bums that all the other fan bases feel sorry for, or this group of “allegedly” fat-talking (top-ten) defensive squad. Then I choose the latter. I’ve seen enough losing for a lifetime. You can keep your support and I’ll take the W’s.

    PS
    You don’t think other teams are talking smack like this to each other each and every game? Seriously? I just think teams aren’t use to getting this from the Lions. This is big boy football, folks. Happens all the time.

  69. All the tebow love and hate is ridiculous

    Since when is it a bad thing to be a decent person? It’s refreshing to not be disgusted by the national felon league week in and week out for once.

  70. To all you jacka$$ haters out there: Our past seasons records are completely irrelevant to what is currently happening. Right NOW we are 6-2. We DON’T CARE what happened a couple years ago. We WILL destroy you when we play you THIS YEAR. Enough with the 0-16 stuff. It’s not relevant.
    And do any of you even watch football? If you did you would realize that the NFL is a league that is full of trash talk. It’s not just the Lions. It’s every single team.
    Are you guys just a little bit jealous? That’s definitely how your anger comes across.

  71. For all the Tebow defenders/Lions haters, let’s get a few things straight:

    Tebow defenders:
    Tim Tebow seems like a real great guy in person. I wish the majority of the people in this country had his character, toughness and drive to succeed. Where he goes wrong is being very outward about his religious beliefs, which have no place on the football field. Combine his outward beliefs and mediocre NFL talent with the overdone media hype and I’ll tell you about 31 other teams who are getting their “Tebowing” dances ready for the Broncos game. Get over it.

    Lions haters:
    I don’t get it? This team was a doormat for basically 5 decades and now they’re decent and play with swagger and they’re the most hated team in the league? LOL!!! I can’t believe there are so many NFL fans who are politically correct sissies. Would you be saying the same things about Ray Lewis? How about James Harrison?
    Or Jared Allen? Clay Matthews? Doubt it…If other teams don’t like the Lions mocking the them in celebration, simply stop them. In the era of overlegislation by the NFL, I’m glad there is still a team that plays defense like the ’85 Bears, especially against inferior opponents. Everyone calling the Lions classless needs to grow a pair and lighten up.

  72. Wow, the Lions are pretty mouthy for a team thats been the NFLs biggest joke for the last 30 years or so.

  73. Lions are classless and so are many of the Tebow haters.

    The Lions mocking of Tebow is totally out of line. Why mock a man’s religiious views? I’ve heard so many people say Tebow throws religion in their face? Well, give me one single example of that? Praying after a win or TD is common in the NFL, so what if Tebow does it. So he has a book about his life that includes his religious views, so do many pro athletes, including Josh Hamilton and Reggie White. So what?

    I hated Tebow when he was in college. Couldn’t stand him. Looking back, I’m not sure why other than he seemed to be overhyped. Now, hearing all this garbage spewing about him, I’ve started to respect the man and appreciate his character for having to deal with it.

    When Cam Newton was getting less than 1/2 the criticism Tebow gets there was an outcry, particuarly about it being racially motivated. Tebow takes far more abuse than Newton ever did. And keep in mind that Tebow is not out hyping himself. So he has a few commercials, as do many other pro athletes. So what?

    If you want to rationale analyze Tebow as a player and say he isn’t very good. Okay, that’s fine. But why the mocking and hating on him as a person and his religion? I’m not even sure I believe in God, yet I find this non-sense despicable. Image his was Muslim and taking this abuse. There would be a national outcry by the news media, liberals, and minority groups every where, but because he’s Christian it’s acceptable?

    And as far as his ability…it doesn’t look good right now. But, I watched Tony Romo produce less points for his offense against an Eagles team that hasn’t been very good on defense this year. And Romo’s stats weren’t much better. What about Carson Palmer last week? Granted it was his first game, but he’s got far more experience than Tebow.

    The Tebow bashing is from people who are just envious of Tebow’s talent, fame, and fortune and who don’t have enough going on in their own life so they have to bring someone else down.

    Again, if you want to criticize his playing, so beat it. But leave the personal stuff out.

  74. When Cam Newton was getting less than 1/2 the criticism Tebow gets there was an outcry, particuarly about it being racially motivated. Tebow takes far more abuse than Newton ever did. And keep in mind that Tebow is not out hyping himself. So he has a few commercials, as do many other pro athletes. So what?

    If you want to rationale analyze Tebow as a player and say he isn’t very good. Okay, that’s fine. But why the mocking and hating on him as a person and his religion? I’m not even sure I believe in God, yet I find this non-sense despicable. Image his was Muslim and taking this abuse. There would be a national outcry by the news media, liberals, and minority groups every where, but because he’s Christian it’s acceptable?

    And as far as his ability…it doesn’t look good right now. But, I watched Tony Romo produce less points for his offense against an Eagles team that hasn’t been very good on defense this year. And Romo’s stats weren’t much better. What about Carson Palmer last week? Granted it was his first game, but he’s got far more experience than Tebow.

    The Tebow bashing is from people who are just envious of Tebow’s talent, fame, and fortune and who don’t have enough going on in their own life so they have to bring someone else down.
    ================
    Cam Newton was being compared to Paris Hilton or some front-running look-at-me wanna be. Nolan Narwocki was all over the guy, and flat out balled, unlike Tim Tebow. Maybe Fox isnt putting him in positions to win…maybe its the reminants of Josh Daniels-Brian Xanders decision making ….but he simply looked confused, and threw badly. Yes, he’s Christian, and should be proud and profess his faith, even if we have a separation between church and state. Lets not get into “liberal this” or “muslim that”. The media and his self-promotion got the best of him. If he hits the playbook, and they tailor the offense – spread formation and wildcat, then he’s a 50-60% passer who gives you a chance to win..maybe.

    He only has himself and the “charging for autographs” for charity or whatever he does to blame. Get out of the spotlight and hit the film room. Fox doesnt even run the type of offense adequate for him to succeed.

  75. Its kinda crazy how the lions have been the laughing stock of the nfl for years now and once they do good its nothing but negative talk.. If they win they are classless losers if the lose they are even more so.. As i recall there is one player by the last name Sanders that talked a whole lot of trash and was not liked by anyone that wasnt a fan of his team and he went to Canton.. So lets get off the lions talking crap.. And for all the 49er fans that want to say beat a winning team i believe we have and i believe you guys lost to a team below 500 so continue to play in the worst division in the nfl and believe your an amazing team.. I give the team credit they have turned it around but so have the lions..cuz i believe that division made the playoffs with a losing record and u still couldnt make the playoffs.. So keep talking trash just like the 49ers the lions were one 4th down stop from a win.. They didnt get owned but i guess people stick up for their team.. Both games lost were good close games..

  76. An un-named Lions player supposedly says something and they’re a classless team. Lions players–namely Suh and Best kicked in the cash to buy a high school team new equipment after they got robbed and had no equipement.

    Meanwhile, across Lake Michigan, you have a star QB who disses cancer patients and a roid raging maniac flipping the bird to his own sideline on TV…and they’re the cream of the crop, correct?

    Much offense to the rest to the rest of the NFL, but I’ll take classless any day–it’s nice to have a Lions team that actually has a nasty attitude and puts up some W’s in the process.

  77. Young QBs who will one day be good will struggle because he hasn’t adjusted to the pros/speed of the game/picked up the offense, etc.

    Tebow struggles because he can’t throw a damn spiral, and he can’t hit open receivers consistently.

    That’s why people mock him. Well, that and he’s an uber-douche about his Jesus-love. Religion belongs out of sight, not on the field.

  78. as a packer fan, I love that the lions have that warren sapp “badguys” swagger to them…

    They were 0-16, they’ve been bad, they’ve got all the reason to be mad at the world, now that they’re big and mean, they punishing people and spitting on ’em when they’re down… this is the NFL people, get real and quit acting like babies…

    “They’re classless! They tackle! They’re trash talking!”

    get real!

  79. grninerfan says:
    Oct 31, 2011 2:12 PM
    Why does TT religion matter when som of you comment on his poor play? I think you have another agenda and Tim is the target.

    PS Lions less talk go beat a winning team …oh wait you can’t!
    —————
    The truth is that it should not matter.
    First off I am a Christian. I am happy for Tebow that he has faith.
    But, come on! Tebow stands up after a win and thanks God for winning a game. It’s just a game. Why did he not thank God for a loss?
    He can’t have it both ways. Religion and sports only go hand in hand when praying for both teams safety before and after. To think that God is behind one team over the other, in a meaningless game to him is rediculous! If that were the case, Notre Dame would win every week.
    No religion has a stage in sports. Tebow should lead the faith charge off the field like others (Reggie white) have.

  80. lucimorland says:
    Oct 31, 2011 10:27 PM
    Young QBs who will one day be good will struggle because he hasn’t adjusted to the pros/speed of the game/picked up the offense, etc.

    Tebow struggles because he can’t throw a damn spiral, and he can’t hit open receivers consistently.

    That’s why people mock him. Well, that and he’s an uber-douche about his Jesus-love. Religion belongs out of sight, not on the field.

    Glad we live in a nation with freedom of religion and not freedom from religion. What a totally classless comment. No one is calling you names over your beliefs, yet for some reason you see yourself as as being self righteous enough to know it all and just attack based on his faith.

  81. hen Cam Newton was getting less than 1/2 the criticism Tebow gets there was an outcry, particuarly about it being racially motivated. Tebow takes far more abuse than Newton ever did. And keep in mind that Tebow is not out hyping himself. So he has a few commercials, as do many other pro athletes. So what?

    If you want to rationale analyze Tebow as a player and say he isn’t very good. Okay, that’s fine. But why the mocking and hating on him as a person and his religion? I’m not even sure I believe in God, yet I find this non-sense despicable. Image his was Muslim and taking this abuse. There would be a national outcry by the news media, liberals, and minority groups every where, but because he’s Christian it’s acceptable?

    You are 100% correct sir.

  82. As For the trash talking is concerned…these guys are getting paid to beat each other up every play and get in each others head. All teams trash talk in some way. To expect otherwise is foolish. It is a game. Kids in the playground talk trash while playing and are friends off the field. Lighten up people, alot of the NFL players are talking even after the games, you only hear it occasionally. It’s a game, no one is attacking each other in their sleep physically. They sleep just fine in their mansions regardless who “talked” about them. The wussification of society at its fineist.

  83. So…is it God’s fault he can’t throw a spiral?

    And Tebow is like every other self-important religious fanatic out there: he brings the spotlight on himself with his constant attention whoring for Jesus.

    Someone better get Tebow to a therapist so they can explain to him that hearing voices in your head doesn’t mean you’re moral…it means you’re insane.

    Oh, and work on that spiral, son.

  84. grninerfan ,johnnyshore ,

    Lions beat Tampa Bay, Chicago, and Kansas City. All teams with winning records. And they also went to Dallas and beat the same team that beat the Niners in the land of man on man love. The Niners beat the Lions on a 4th down pass against the Lions second string OLB (which he was down before the ball crossed anyways, just because the camera angles were obstructed doesn’t mean that’s not what happened). The Niners have, hands down, the easiest schedule of any team in the last decade and they are a dominant team now?

    And as for johnnyshore, The only Lions player that said ANYTHING before the Niners game was Best. And all he said was that he grew up a Raiders fan and didn’t like the Niners. That sure sounds like the whole team saying they were gonna give Smith and the Niners a beating, doesn’t it? And you call the 125 passing yards and 1 touchdown by Smith “torching” the Lions defense? You’re a complete idiot.

  85. @bostonbias:

    i see you working, but the comparison between cam and tim arent really as close as you’d like us to believe. First i’ll say that i’m with you on the disdain for people hating on the man’s religion so i wont be piling on to that argument. it’s a free country and he’s free to believe what he wants, it’s what makes this country great. unfortunately, i think the catholic church scandal has eliminated Christians from the religious protected class in the media for the foreseeable future. people are just really reluctant to stand up for Christianity right now.
    The hole in your argument is that Cam’s ability and Tim’s are not even in the same football stadium. Tebow has looked terrible at the position, by any measure of experience, talent, surrounding talent, etc. he’s just been awful. is it the lack of an offseason for a 2nd year qb who clearly still needs time to develop an NFL style toolbox (and he’s basically starting from scratch)? maybe the fact that before he hits his 5th step of a drop, he’s being pummeled by D-linemen because his line goes on group vacations from time to time? maybe it’s because he really cant read a defense yet? perhaps he takes too long to make decisions because he’s afraid to be wrong and make mistakes? whatever the reason/excuse, he’s been bad, very, very bad.
    On the other hand, much of the criticism Cam faced had very little to do with his football ability. They were questions surrounding his character and whether or not it would allow him to be a great qb. they questioned pretty much everything besides his ability to throw a football. meanwhile, the media absolutely fawned over tim’s “intangibles” and “all the other tools you want a qb to have”, etc. his physical deficiencies were/are just too great to ignore and until he fixes them, he’ll never be regarded as more than a TE/H-Back in qb meetings

  86. Steven Tulloch was interviewed and quoted that Tebow needs to tough it out and it will get better just keep being you and you will be OK.he gots drive and passion. So it wasn’t Tulloch. And the truth hurts, that is the same sh!t people arr saying everywhere but Denver. And awful against great teams. We lost two games by less than a TD. DELMAS STOPS DUDE A INCH SHORTER YOU WOULD BE CLAMMING UP NOW. The lions did what they were supposed to do against a lesser opponent whoop them. Tebow doesn’t play defense. And the most annoying thing about all this is the four letter network is only talking about Tebow when they are talking about the game…Busch league

  87. If that was an epic battle between “Good vs. Evil”, perhaps Tebow should seek out a more powerful god.

  88. And if the goal is for the Heisman winner to continue playing football in the NFL, the story will begin with an exodus to a new position.

    ———————-

    No Earth-shattering news there…Most smart people have been saying that since Joshy the Turd drafted TeBLOW…

    And I don’t care if he is Buddhist or Baptist – HE SUCKS AS AN NFL QB!

  89. The reason Tebow is so polarizing: I stopped watching my Pats get beat up and watched a little of the Lions beating up the Broncos and the color commentators were going on and on about how Tebow was a winner. The score was 45 to 10 at that point. One of them suggested Tebow was talking a trash and then recanted saying, “I am sure Tebow was wishing him a Happy Halloween. He’s a good guy.”

    I yelled my television. Really? It was puke inducing. I felt sick and it wasn’t because my Pats got beat.

    That is why people don’t like him. He isn’t a winner. If he were a good guy, he would recognize that he doesn’t give his team the best chance of winning. He isn’t a QB. A “good guy” would play the position that suits him.

    Tebow is about Tebow. He’s a good guy like Tiger Woods is a good guy.

  90. Some of the stupid comments posted here:

    “He only has himself and the “charging for autographs” for charity or whatever he does to blame. Get out of the spotlight… ”

    My comment: Since many pro athletes charge for autographs I assume you are upset that he’s giving the proceeds to charity, unlike most athletes. How is that being in the spotlight? I haven’t seen any self promotion related to giving his autograph fee to charity.

    “First off I am a Christian. I am happy for Tebow that he has faith.
    But, come on! Tebow stands up after a win and thanks God for winning a game. It’s just a game. Why did he not thank God for a loss?”

    My comment: How do you know what Tebow thanks God for? Maybe he doesn’t thank him for a win? Usually players from both teams pray together at the end of a game.

    Many players thank God after a win, a TD, a sack, or other good play. Do they thank God after fumbling, throwing an interception, or giving up a TD?

    “And Tebow is like every other self-important religious fanatic out there: he brings the spotlight on himself with his constant attention whoring for Jesus.”

    My comment: As I asked in my previous post, please provide a specific example of Tebow’s “whoring for Jesus”?

    ” i think the catholic church scandal has eliminated Christians from the religious protected class in the media for the foreseeable future. people are just really reluctant to stand up for Christianity right now.”

    My comment: So, you blame all Christian’s for the crimes of a few in the Catholic Church and that justifies persecution of Tebow as a Christian? If that’s the case, what did 9-1-1 do for Muslims? Is it justified to persecute Muslims now based solely on their religion?

    “Tebow is about Tebow. He’s a good guy like Tiger Woods is a good guy.”

    My comment: This is probably the most idiotic statement on this board. Tiger Woods cheated on his wife witih an untold number of women…and Tebow is equivalent to Tiger? It’s mind numbing that anyone could actually believe this…in fact, your mind MUST be numb to say something this stupid.

    In Summary: As I mentioned before, I am not a Tebow fan, although I’m staring to root for him, and I am not sure I even believe in God. Yet criticizing and mocking Tebow’s faith and religion is taste and classless. Criticizing his QB ability all you want, and I may even agree, but leave his faith out of the conversation.

    BTW, I think Tebow sucks as a QB. But, I grew up a huge Steeler fan, and as I recall Bradshaw was utterly horrible early in his career. I believe I saw something in the USA Today yesterday saying Bradshaw’s first year completion percentage was 38%. And that’s worse than Tebows. You just never know for sure how someone will turn out.

  91. cowhawkfan says:
    Nov 2, 2011 7:02 PM
    Some of the stupid comments posted here:

    “First off I am a Christian. I am happy for Tebow that he has faith.
    But, come on! Tebow stands up after a win and thanks God for winning a game. It’s just a game. Why did he not thank God for a loss?”

    My comment: How do you know what Tebow thanks God for? Maybe he doesn’t thank him for a win? Usually players from both teams pray together at the end of a game.

    Many players thank God after a win, a TD, a sack, or other good play. Do they thank God after fumbling, throwing an interception, or giving up a TD?
    —————–

    Before you talk about comments being stupid, you should do some research! Tebow was asked a question about a His comeback win and his comment was…“First off, I have to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and my teammates … they believed in me for more than 60 minutes,” (via Athlon Sports).

    So yes, he does thank God after a win. And I do not have a problem with it, and in fact I like that players pray with each other after a game.
    Where I draw the line is when athletes (any athlete) implies that God is concerned with the outcome of their game. Brett Farve after his first win over the vikings “I prayed to the good Lord last night for a win and he answered it” . Now I can understand when they say “God has blessed me with the talent or ability to play professional sports for a living which makes me richer than 99% of the worlds population and I will use it to help his people”.

    Religion and sports is an impossible combo. Does God worry about the outcome of a week 7 matchup between the Broncos and Dolphins? Would he be more concerned for the millions of starving children in the world? I am not God, but I hope he has more time for real problems in the world than if a Player beats another Player who also prayed for a win too.

    Tebow would probably give up playing tomorrow, if he could save all the starving children in the world, as he is genuine in his faith, but people just need to put religion in persp ective and realize it has no bearing on “outcomes” of games, And that one team is not Good and the other on Evil.

  92. Can we please drop the whole “Tebow is in the wrong system” thing yet? Seriously, I have seen him play four games and he has not improved his mechanics at all, and if you watch him fumble against the Lions it’s because he was holding the ball low and winding up to throw it, one of the many things he was supposed to be working on. After watching him for a little bit, to me it’s obvious that he’s not an NFL quarterback, he doesn’t keep his eyes down field, he misses his receivers constantly, not only that, he misses them by about a mile, I am surprised he doesn’t have more picks. The fact is this guy can’t throw the ball at this level, I can’t see him succeeding in any type of offense besides maybe the wildcat, and he honestly looks lost out there. To me he seems more like a fullback or tight-end in the NFL, but definately not a quarterback.

  93. @ honolulubluekoolaid

    Why is our business to know that a particular player prays? I am a Christian, not a fashionable one like Tebow and Jennings, and I don’t pray on the job. It should be private or done at church.

    And thanking God for a win is as idiotic as thanking God for a Grammy award. You thank your teammates and your coaches and you go home and thank God, not just for the win but for everything you have.

  94. tiffpats4eva says:
    Nov 3, 2011 9:20 AM
    @ honolulubluekoolaid

    Why is our business to know that a particular player prays? I am a Christian, not a fashionable one like Tebow and Jennings, and I don’t pray on the job. It should be private or done at church.

    And thanking God for a win is as idiotic as thanking God for a Grammy award. You thank your teammates and your coaches and you go home and thank God, not just for the win but for everything you have.

    ————

    I agree with you, that was my original point, I just did not state as simple as you did. Less words easier to understand. I was just trying to explain my original comment to a hater.

    Thanks

  95. Honululu, u have drank too much blue kool aid!
    Where in your quote of Tebow does he thank God for a win? I see he thanked Jesus and his teammates but for what? Are u a mind reader? He could be thanking him for anything…no injuries, an opportunity to play in the NFL, for his teammates believing in him, or anything.

    “Before you talk about comments being stupid, you should do some research! Tebow was asked a question about a His comeback win and his comment was…“First off, I have to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and my teammates … they believed in me for more than 60 minutes,”

    Your original post singled out Tebow, whic is my issue. Leave the man’s faith alone.

  96. @cowhawkfan:
    ” i think the catholic church scandal has eliminated Christians from the religious protected class in the media for the foreseeable future. people are just really reluctant to stand up for Christianity right now.”

    My comment: So, you blame all Christian’s for the crimes of a few in the Catholic Church and that justifies persecution of Tebow as a Christian? If that’s the case, what did 9-1-1 do for Muslims? Is it justified to persecute Muslims now based solely on their religion?

    since you’re such an authority on stupid comments, i’m not surprised you made one. first, I referenced the media and other people, not myself. in addition, i was responding to your question about why it seemed so acceptable to bash his faith and not have it defended as YOU assume it would be were he Muslim. and to satisfy your curiosity, no, i dont blame entire religions for the acts of their followers, nor did i suggest any such thing. you either live under a rock or are just totally naive and out of touch with reality if you dont know that Muslims are facing intense persecution in our country as it relates to 9/11. perhaps you could add reading comprehension to your list of talents…but please do it quickly and before you post again.

  97. @steerdynasty

    Where in my post does it say Muslims aren’t persecuted? My question was, does 9-1-1 justify their persecution?

    So…perhaps u r the one who needs to improve there reading skills prior to posting again?!

    Oh, and since u may not understand it, it was a rhetorical question. I am well aware persecution of any religion is not justified.

  98. @cohawkfan:
    you could at least READ YOUR OWN POSTS….
    YOU said: “what did 9-1-1 do for Muslims?”

    I answered: “you either live under a rock or are just totally naive and out of touch with reality if you dont know that Muslims are facing intense persecution in our country as it relates to 9/11.”

    your followup question seemed more rhetorical than your first (based on the fact that you already stated your opinion on religious persecution) which is why i did not respond to it.

    so i’m pretty confident in my comprehension skills…yours, not so much

  99. @steelerdynasty

    I don’t get on this board to get into personal squabbles. So, I’ll let you have the last word on reading comprehension skills. I regret tha I let you pull me in this far, my bad. Go Ravens!! LOL…have a nice day!!

  100. alright heres my deal im a pats fan and evreyones sayn tebows a horrible qb, but look at tom brady for just a sec hes thought to be one of the best qbs and this year hes put togethr a mediocre year. def nothing to be proud of if your a pats fan.Look to the past as well he has had an elite offensive line and an elite wr core. Tebows had none of these gets hit almost evry play. You cant feel safe behind your big guys if you dont. I feel as if tebow had a decent line and one good reciever like welker, andre johnson, ward, orany good recievr within 2 years the broncos and tebow could be in the super bowl

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