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Vikings stadium proposal suffers serious setback

Zygi Wilf AP

When Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton said he’d call a special legislative session in November to tackle once and for all the issue of a new stadium for the Vikings, many interpreted the move as a sign that a stadium would indeed be constructed.  Now, Dayton and various leaders of the Minnesota legislature have thrown a major roadblock in the path of that outcome.

According to multiple media reports, Dayton and two key members of the legislative leadership (Senate Majority Leader Amy Koch and House Speaker Kurt Zellers) concluded last Friday that the Legislature as a whole does not support a plan that would exempt Ramsey County or Minneapolis from a public referendum on a sales tax.  The absence of such an exemption not only puts the $350 million local contribution for the stadium effort on track to fail, but it also delays the finalization of the plan until November 2012, the earliest date on which a public vote could occur.

The move comes after elected officials in Ramsey County decided to proceed with a sales tax that would not be subject to public vote.

“Last Friday’s meeting was very significant in eliminating one proposed source of financing for a People’s Stadium in either Ramsey County or Minneapolis, unless the Vikings are willing to endure the time delay and continuing uncertainty in obtaining voters’ approval,” Dayton said in a statement.  “Given this reality, we are now actively assessing and discussing with the team other financing options.”

Needless to say, the Vikings likely are actively assessing and discussing with itself other options, including relocation.  The fact that the Vikings have yet to issue a statement on the matter essentially confirms that the next announcement could be that the team will begin to openly entertain offers from other communities.

And so, when it’s time to write the story of why the Vikings left Minnesota, point to the legislature’s decision not to allow a community whose leadership is willing to embrace a sales tax for the privilege of hosting the stadium.  All that’s left to figure out is whether the logos and the colors and the name and the records will be put into mothballs when owner Zygi Wilf moves the team to Los Angeles in 2012, where they’d play at the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum while waiting for a stadium to be built downtown or at Grand Crossing in the City of Industry.

The Vikings’ Metrodome lease expires on January 1, and the Vikings have said that a new agreement won’t be executed without a final plan in place for building a new stadium.

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  1. mjs2012 says: Nov 1, 2011 4:56 PM

    even a better question:

    Will the LA Vikings move to a different division when they’re not so “North” anymore.

  2. billinva says: Nov 1, 2011 4:56 PM

    2012 LA Favre’s here we come!

  3. suhnum1fan says: Nov 1, 2011 4:57 PM

    Bye Bye Ziggy Zag…See you in the city of angels lol. BTW, leave those colors in Minnesota :)

  4. p4hbiz says: Nov 1, 2011 4:58 PM

    I hoping for the best cause I would hate to see this team in LA.

  5. evpimp says: Nov 1, 2011 4:59 PM

    See you in LA

  6. The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 5:01 PM

    What in the world business does the state legislature have in determining if there should be a referendum on a local sales tax?! Come up with the financing for the state part of the stadium and butt out of what’s already been decided for the local part!

  7. minkytails says: Nov 1, 2011 5:01 PM

    A victory for taxpayers (ie, everybody) of Minnesota. A bigger victory for fans of democracy.

  8. tjacks7 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:02 PM

    Sad to say, but as a Viking fan, move on out Ziggy. This legislature isn’t serious about a stadium. You have them a fair shot. You put up your end. Sometimes you don’t really know what you got until its gone, and it seems as if legislature is dead set on keeping the metrodump or nothing.

  9. glac1 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:03 PM

    They will be placed in the NFC West and I assume St. Louis will move to the NFC North.

  10. btg1911 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:04 PM

    “The fact that the Vikings have yet to issue a statement on the matter essentially confirms that the next announcement could be that the team will begin to openly entertain offers from other communities.”

    Essentially confirms that the next announcement could…

    Has there ever been a statement with so much speculation passed off as an confirmation?

  11. zaggs says: Nov 1, 2011 5:05 PM

    “And so, when it’s time to write the story of why the Vikings left Minnesota, point to the legislature’s decision not to allow a community whose leadership is willing to embrace a sales tax for the privilege of hosting the stadium.”

    English fail there floor-boy? Didn’t the legislature say they were against an idea that would PREVENT the community from saying what they wanted with a vote?

    “The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 5:01 PM

    What in the world business does the state legislature have in determining if there should be a referendum on a local sales tax?!”

    I’m guessing Ramsey county needed an exemption from the legislature to not allow the people of Ramsey to vote on whether they wanted to be taxed more.

  12. tombradysponytail says: Nov 1, 2011 5:05 PM

    I’m starting to get the feeling that Minnesota doesn’t really care if the Vikings leave….

  13. Land Snark says: Nov 1, 2011 5:07 PM

    @mjs2012

    You mean like the Indianapolis Colts who are in the South?

    Or maybe the Dallas Cowboys who are not geographically East?

    The names for the divisions are a bit of an anachronism.

    But it beats having to rezone teams completely based on geography and then destroying some long standing rivalries.

  14. sergisbauer says: Nov 1, 2011 5:07 PM

    mjs2012 says:Nov 1, 2011 4:56 PM

    even a better question:

    Will the LA Vikings move to a different division when they’re not so “North” anymore.
    _________________________________

    Simple realignment: Vikings move to the NFC West, Rams move to the North.

  15. bobleblah says: Nov 1, 2011 5:07 PM

    St. Louis Rams to the North
    L.A. Vikings to the West

  16. dhawk12 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:09 PM

    Go ahead…run your team out of the state. A cornerstone of the NFL, and a huge economic stimulus…just let them walk and let the perception of your state as a viable economic and social force take a huge step backwards. Nice work…

  17. Land Snark says: Nov 1, 2011 5:09 PM

    @suhnum1fan

    Right. Because there’s already a former MN team sporting Purple and Gold.

    Wouldn’t want to step on Kobe’s toes.

  18. btg1911 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:11 PM

    This fear-mongering post is completely ignoring the fact that in the same statement, the Gov. said that all other forms of financing are on the table, of which the main one gaining a lot of steam is electronic pull tabs.

  19. nomoreseasontix says: Nov 1, 2011 5:12 PM

    The Vikes are gonna end up in L.A.
    It almost seems inevitable.

  20. Packernet says: Nov 1, 2011 5:12 PM

    Looks like the Rams are coming to the NFC North. Welcome aboard! How many sports teams has Minnesota lost now? Time to quit trying. It’s clear the residents don’t support pro sports.

  21. shaggytoodle says: Nov 1, 2011 5:13 PM

    As a Packer fan this is dissapointing to me, I love the rivalry with the Vikings. A few years ago when they got the NFCC “stolen,” from them as I have heard so many times I get sick of it.

    I wished for them to getting taken down a peg or two, and got my wish, but its to the point where its just not any cool anymore.

    Minny. is got a few pieces to build a what could be a good foundation, I would just hate to see them get moved, and mess up one of the best rivalries in the NFL.

  22. rugdog100 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:14 PM

    Interesting that the Minnesota legislature DIDN’T require a referendum on increasing taxes for the purpose of building Target Field for the Twins. Huge double-standard there. I wonder what the Governor and state legislators will be doing after they’re voted out of office in the next election.

  23. scmorg1974 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:14 PM

    glac1 says:
    Nov 1, 2011 5:03 PM
    They will be placed in the NFC West and I assume St. Louis will move to the NFC North.

    My thoughts exactly. Makes the most sense th New LA team be in the NFC West.

    Minnesota fans really need to make sure this is what they want. It may be awhile until they get another team. Look how long it took LA to get THIS close to getting another franchise.

    I guess you can cue the Randy Newman music and start thinking of new LA football franchise name…….

  24. jrmbadger says: Nov 1, 2011 5:15 PM

    I’ve said it all along, the politicians are in a lose-lose situation unless they put it to the voters.

    That’s because without a public vote if they go ahead and give Zygi his stadium on the backs of taxpayers – they will be raising taxes to fund a rich guy’s business while at the same time cutting education and other important social services to try and stay afloat (which will not be popular). On the other hand, if they don’t approve the stadium they will be derided for causing the Vikings to move to L.A. (which won’t be popular).

    Thus it’s a classic lose-lose situation.

    The only out for the politicians is for the politicians to put it to a public vote — which ultimately will probably mean failure for a new stadium given current public opinion. That way it was the voter’s fault a new tax was imposed or the Vikings left town.

  25. raiderluv says: Nov 1, 2011 5:16 PM

    At least they’ll be with their old basketball team.

  26. suhnum1fan says: Nov 1, 2011 5:16 PM

    Give credit to the people of Minnesota. Finally they said enough is enough. Who wants more taxes to fund a garbage team. Kudos

  27. The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 5:16 PM

    zaggs says:
    Nov 1, 2011 5:05 PM
    I’m guessing Ramsey county needed an exemption from the legislature to not allow the people of Ramsey to vote on whether they wanted to be taxed more.
    __________

    Nope. Target Field was built with a sales tax in Hennepin County that was not subject to referendum.

    And everyone in Hennepin County is pretty upset that Target Field was built now, right?

  28. nflcraziness says: Nov 1, 2011 5:16 PM

    We survived losing our team in Houston, Minnesota will survive losing the Vikings. The only difference being Minnesota will never get another NFL team due to their political ineptitude… Unfortunately for diehard Vikings fans, we will be left with 50 years of history and memories, but never a Super Bowl victory.

  29. The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 5:18 PM

    Here’s your chance, Minneapolis. You’ve done a terrible job so far of trying to keep the Vikings downtown. Now if you can come up with a financing solution that doesn’t involve a sales tax, you can keep them. Even if Zygi prefers Arden Hills, the NFL won’t let him leave town with a viable stadium plan for Minneapolis.

  30. randleguy says: Nov 1, 2011 5:20 PM

    Very Sad day for Minnesota, Not losing the Vikings. But for all you haters now the tax increase will be on everyone, look at the taxs paid by the Vikings Corp, players, the real estate taxes paid on players homes and the taxs that are paid by the other NFL teams when they travel to play the Vikes at the metrodome, Yes that is how it works all players pay taxs in every state they play in for that game.
    If the Vikings leave, I will look into to moving my small business of 20 employees to South Dakota, I am tired of the narrow/short mindness of the people of this State.

  31. The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 5:20 PM

    rugdog100 says:
    Nov 1, 2011 5:14 PM
    Interesting that the Minnesota legislature DIDN’T require a referendum on increasing taxes for the purpose of building Target Field for the Twins. Huge double-standard there. I wonder what the Governor and state legislators will be doing after they’re voted out of office in the next election.
    __________

    They didn’t require a referendum because there was no state component to the funding. Now that they get to provide some money, they think they can stick their noses into every other part of the plan.

  32. jcusa514 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:21 PM

    Colts in the NFC North, LA in the NFC West, STL in the AFC South. Indy has dominated the AFC South and has no real rivalry with any team in it. NE-IND rivalry is on its way out anyway, so who cares if the Colts go to the NFC. The NFC West has been a joke since 2002 realignment, no real rivalries/history there either.

  33. beedubyatoo says: Nov 1, 2011 5:22 PM

    What if it’s not LA, but rather a team to fulfill Gooddell’s fantasy…The London Teacups!

  34. The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 5:22 PM

    minkytails says:
    Nov 1, 2011 5:01 PM
    A victory for taxpayers (ie, everybody) of Minnesota. A bigger victory for fans of democracy.
    ____________

    I don’t know too many people who are big fans of democracy, which is defined as everybody votes on everything and majority rules. I know a lot of fans of a constitutional republic, in which representatives are elected by the people to vote on everything. Unfortunately, the system fails when the elected representatives don’t have the guts to make a tough decision.

  35. The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 5:26 PM

    btg1911 says:
    Nov 1, 2011 5:11 PM
    This fear-mongering post is completely ignoring the fact that in the same statement, the Gov. said that all other forms of financing are on the table, of which the main one gaining a lot of steam is electronic pull tabs.
    _____________

    Great point, but isn’t that just for the state portion of the financing? What will the local partner be able to come up with?

  36. mvp43 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:26 PM

    Was at the Packers-Vikes game last week and had the chance to talk with many of the local fan base. A couple things really surprised me:

    1. There were so many Packer fans I thought I was in Green Bay. The old timer that I was sitting with explained that most of the fans were Packer fans before ther Vikes came in the early sixties. Most of the obnoxious fans are youger with no memory of any of that.

    2. Other than a few of the die hards, even many of the younger fans didn’t seem that upset that the team may leave. that to me was quite telling……

  37. blizzard01 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:27 PM

    Good bye Minnesota. Damn shame.

  38. vikingsinla says: Nov 1, 2011 5:28 PM

    Perfect timing to move now that their QB woes may be behind them. LA fans will support a winning team, and the Vikes should fare better in that division than in the NFC North.

  39. santolonius says: Nov 1, 2011 5:29 PM

    what have the people of minnesota done to deserve keeping the franchise name, logo, etc? they have over and over refused to put any skin in the game. the vikes want to stay, but the legislature has said to the franchise, “get out of town.” if you want to compare this situation to the browns going to baltimore it is easy… in every way it is the exact opposite.

  40. detroitkitty says: Nov 1, 2011 5:33 PM

    When will these politicians learn that the will of the people must not be thwarted!

    The people demand the vikings have a new stadium, that’s why it’s vital we allow them to build it with a tax that we don’t allow the people to vote on!

  41. zn0rseman says: Nov 1, 2011 5:33 PM

    The team rid of the word “Minnesota” on much of their apparrel a couple of years ago. That should tell you a lot.

  42. contra74 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:36 PM

    Incredible. This is an absolute no-brainer when it comes to “should we keep them or not”? Not sure what the legislature is thinking unless they have another way of finding jobs for those who will lose them as well as replacing revenue to those local businesses.

  43. dddr1ver says: Nov 1, 2011 5:39 PM

    The Browns solution seems like a good idea. Let Ziggy move the team and change the name. The Vikings’s name and colors go on hiatus and the NFL works to relocate of get an expansion team in MN that agrees to play at TCF Stadium. It’s completely wasteful that to have one stadium for Saturday games and a different stadium for Sunday game. When is enough enough?

  44. fijabbersman345 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:42 PM

    This isn’t even bad..MF is just summing up the negative. If you read the article, the only negative part about it is that the entire burden is falling on one county. It makes sense not to want to tax a county when the burden should be on the state; the counter proposed a two cent sales tax on the whole state per drink (much more likely to be backed), which would actually produce more revenue. Not like I care either way; I’m an out of state Vikings fan, I’ll cheer for them anywhere they go.

  45. knew8411 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:42 PM

    I am a Vikings fan, and as such this news is not good….that being said, if I were Mr. Wilf, I’d tell Minnesota to stick it up (insert your favorite orafice here).
    The politiicans have done nothing but jerk this franchise around. One minuite it’s….yeah we support you & will help all we can….the next its….here another roadblock for you to overcome.
    When this franchise leaves, and I believe they will if there’s no plan in place for a new stadium. Then the state will lose that much more in all the revenue generated by the building of this stadium….the income from the numerous public events that this stadium could host….the taxes generated by the team….etc. etc. etc.
    When they start creating new taxes to cover the shortfall it’ll be fun listening to the complainers.
    I wont worry though…I’ll just take my out of state money and spend it in the state where the Vikings move to…..a thousand dollars or so everytime we come to Minniapolis for a game.
    What a loss.

  46. Little Earthquake says: Nov 1, 2011 5:44 PM

    Attention Angelinos who believe an NFL team will move to your town:

    The NFL gets far more mileage using LA as a stalking horse to get better stadium deals elsewhere.

    That’s why there hasn’t been a team in LA in 17 years. Don’t you think there would be one there by now if it were financially more worthwhile? Your best shot was 2002.

  47. qoojo says: Nov 1, 2011 5:51 PM

    So if they leave MN, does that mean all new NFL/NFLPA lawsuits will have to filed in a different state?

  48. cjw1197 says: Nov 1, 2011 5:55 PM

    I am so done with the legislature in this state. They are doing everything to lose the team and absolutely nothing to keep them.

    They will be a laughingstock of the nation again once the Vikes leave and add it to their list of epic failures including the two week state government shutdown.

    Yes, the STrib article quotes Dayton as saying “we are now actively assessing and discussing with the team other financing options.” but that is going to require a little creativity and I don’t think these so called ‘leaders’ have any of that.

    Going to take in these last 8 games of Ponder, AP and Jared while I still can cheer for them in my home state…

  49. comeonnowguys says: Nov 1, 2011 5:58 PM

    Land Snark says: Nov 1, 2011 5:07 PM

    You mean like the Indianapolis Colts who are in the South?

    Or maybe the Dallas Cowboys who are not geographically East?

    The names for the divisions are a bit of an anachronism.

    But it beats having to rezone teams completely based on geography and then destroying some long standing rivalries.

    Have you ever been south of Indy into southern Indiana?

    And why on earth would the bounce Indy to the NFC North? The fandoms of St. Louis, Chicago, and Milwaukee already have a baseball rivalry, and the fandoms of St. Louis, Chicago, and Detroit already have a hockey rivalry.

    Going for the Bulls-Pacers-Pistons as a counter-example to this isn’t very strong.

    If the Vikings move, the STL/LA swap is so convenient, it’s almost a no-brainer.

  50. thridandlong says: Nov 1, 2011 6:00 PM

    Fluff story !

    Story worth knowing….
    12 years ago today the greatest player ever to play the game passed away.

    R.I.P Walter Payton

  51. swanie1 says: Nov 1, 2011 6:03 PM

    I have an idea to help the cause, Why dont they open the state parks and recreation areas for the biggest weekend of the year? The 4th of july comes to mind!!! I really wonder what the hell they are thinking shutting down all the state parks and recreation areas[July 2011] on the busiest weekend of the year and how much it cost the state to do so. And now they they want to get rid of another money maker and send them away to make money for another state. The wilf’s are putting in a lot of money to a stadium that will be used by many other entities other than the Vikings and that will bring money to their coffers, super bowl,final four, are just two that come to mind. I see this as the Wilf’s kicking in money to build a stadium for the state. I’m a Viking fan from Fargo North Dakota, My friends and I take in a game at least once a year and the money we spend between six of us is somewhere around 600.00 dollars a piece at least,not to mention the vikings apparel and memorebilia that we and our family members buy for gifts at christmas and birthdays. Yep they can afford to let the Vikings move if they can afford to shut down the state on the busiest weekend of the year. Dumb@$$&$$!!!!!!!

  52. gdeli says: Nov 1, 2011 6:03 PM

    After talking with my father about this, he said he saw on the show “almanac” on pbs that he thinks they will get a deal done like develop block E downtown and yeah the pull tabs. The 3 amigos(dayton, koch and zellers) do not want to be pariahs in this state forever. The team will improve I hope with ponder, trades, etc. Benching mcnabb and dumping berrian are 2 good signs of a better future for our purple.

  53. welzy says: Nov 1, 2011 6:05 PM

    I think there is a lot of posturing going on here. There is no shot of the Vikings moving to LA. Zygi has WAY too much money invested in his own real estate close to the Arden Hills project. His best bet is to scare as much money as possible from the tax payers, then make a ton of money in development after the new stadium is in place.

  54. fjtardy says: Nov 1, 2011 6:05 PM

    I will bet that Minnesota will lose more tax dollars over the next 25 years without the team than they will ‘save’ by not partially financing a new stadium. It’s not like a football team doesn’t generate tax dollars for the state in player salaries, ownership income, and peripheral entities such as hotels and restaurants. But hey, in a budget ‘crisis’, I guess todays money is more important than tomorrow’s profit as well as community spirit, pride, or happiness over a span of 25 years or more.

  55. contra74 says: Nov 1, 2011 6:07 PM

    Little Earthquake says:
    Nov 1, 2011 5:44 PM
    Attention Angelinos who believe an NFL team will move to your town:

    The NFL gets far more mileage using LA as a stalking horse to get better stadium deals elsewhere.

    That’s why there hasn’t been a team in LA in 17 years. Don’t you think there would be one there by now if it were financially more worthwhile? Your best shot was 2002.
    ———————————-
    Your partially right. LA is a Lakers and Dodgers town. As of late, the Dodgers have taken a major backseat and with the NBA lockout we just sellout USC & UCLA games. Im born and raised in LA and USC and UCLA (well mainly USC) have been our “pro” sports and we love it. What sucks is that planting a team in LA will not have too strong of a fanbase because we angelinos did not grow up with the team. Maybe after a few years the team will have a strong fanbase but off the bat it will all be corporate tickets.

  56. packercpa says: Nov 1, 2011 6:11 PM

    The Phantom Stranger says:
    Nov 1, 2011 5:22 PM
    minkytails says:
    Nov 1, 2011 5:01 PM
    A victory for taxpayers (ie, everybody) of Minnesota. A bigger victory for fans of democracy.
    ____________

    I don’t know too many people who are big fans of democracy, which is defined as everybody votes on everything and majority rules. I know a lot of fans of a constitutional republic, in which representatives are elected by the people to vote on everything. Unfortunately, the system fails when the elected representatives don’t have the guts to make a tough decision.

    Maybe they did have the guts to make a tough decision and you just don’t like it. They certainly know that they will be labeled as the ones who let the Vikings leave, so I think they made a very tough decision.

  57. thetooloftools says: Nov 1, 2011 6:11 PM

    Let’s cut the crap. What happens inside an NFL stadium (the seats and the beer and ect ect) is not the bottom line in the NFL. I also feel that unless owners can open their books and prove that they are losing money… (because taxpayers subsidize stadiums and infrastructure), that they cannot move a team… they can sell it.. but not move it. As a taxpayer I get damn sick and tired of being taxed to help finance a stadium I may not be able to AFFORD to BUY tickets at even see a game unless they suck and seats are cheap, because times are tough.
    Does anyone else get what I’m saying?
    Sue any owner that threatens to leave if he took public funding to help run his team. This is garbage. If you can’t afford to “house” a team.. DON’T BUY A TEAM !
    You all have been exposed.
    Bye the way. I Love the family who takes his his 7 and 4 year old children to NFL games and complains because they were exposed to profanity. I do not think any child under 12 should be allowed in an NFL game. I’m tired of kissing country clubbers (|) who don’t know what real football is all about and is too stupid to leave their kids at home while burning money on seat for kids who really don’t understand of give a scrap…
    I welcome you comments on this.

  58. primetime2 says: Nov 1, 2011 6:12 PM

    Well I am going to have to figure out what to do with those 10 hours I spend driving to vikings games 8 times a year, the money I spend in the state each of those times and the money I spend on my season tickets. Looks like I will fly to LA 1 or twice a season for a game and have lots of extra free time

  59. sportsinhd says: Nov 1, 2011 6:14 PM

    I just hope they leave the Vikings name, color, and logo in Minnesotta. If the franchise moves to LA, it should be renamed.

    I bet Oakland fans are breathing a sigh of relief right now.

  60. sevensixtwonato says: Nov 1, 2011 6:25 PM

    On my 52″ HDTV a game in LA is going to look the same as a game in Minneapolis….at the end of the day life goes on.

  61. azpackerbacker says: Nov 1, 2011 6:33 PM

    As a former Minnesotan the people of that state will deserve whatever they end up getting from this. Should the politicians get their collective heads out of their rears, then they should reap the benefits of a world class facility that will create jobs and bring in super bowls, big 10 championship games, and other headline events. Grandstand and you deserve to have no team to cheer for and live in, as some old senile sportswriter once said, a “cold Omaha”

    As a Packer fan I’d hate for the rivalry to end, but it’s becoming more and more clear that the powers that be up there are giving the wilfs no other options but to pack up the mayflower and hit the road.

  62. ownbay says: Nov 1, 2011 6:36 PM

    350 million of public money is too much.

  63. theravenlives2 says: Nov 1, 2011 6:37 PM

    Here’s your chance, Minneapolis. You’ve done a terrible job so far of trying to keep the Vikings downtown. Now if you can come up with a financing solution that doesn’t involve a sales tax, you can keep them. Even if Zygi prefers Arden Hills, the NFL won’t let him leave town with a viable stadium plan for Minneapolis.
    =================================
    That’s the problem, dude. They’ve had a couple years to get a “viable stadium plan,” and haven’t.

    Oh, and the NFL won’t let them leave? Like they didn’t let the Raiders leave Oakland (ok, the fought that one), the Colts leave Baltimore, the Browns leave Cleveland, and the Oilers leave Houston? Riiiiight. Does the term “whistling past the graveyard” have any relevance to you?

  64. garyman1 says: Nov 1, 2011 6:37 PM

    As a Packer fan, I really wanted this to get done. The Vikes are a great rivalry and I’ll hate to see them move. Ultimately, it looks like the community is choosing pro football is not that important.
    So much for greats like Carl Eller, Mick Tingelhoff, Alan Page, Paul Krause, Bud Grant, and the rest of the purple people eaters.

  65. theallegedone says: Nov 1, 2011 6:45 PM

    Wow. They have no interest in booming the economy in Minnesota do they. The propose stadium would have not only been the home to the Vikings, but would have been the home of other events such as concerts, other sporting events as well as possibly the Super Bowl or a NCAA Mens Basketball Tournament site. Not to mention the restaurants/bar/shopping areas that would have opened around the new stadium. Total economy boom, not to mention all the new jobs it would create. And their main reason is the state debt? I’d hate to see them leave Minnesota, but they have to do what’s best for them. Not for the people of Minnesota. I bet the people of Minnesota still wish they had the Lakers & not the T-Wolves. Like the Lakers, the Vikings will find themselves in Southern California. Fine by me. I live in Phoenix. That’s a 45 minute flight, when can I get my Vikes season tix? Looks like the Rams will be in the NFC North & the Vikes will head to the West. There goes the Bears/Vikes or Packers/Vikes rivalries. Enjoy the Rams! Guess the Vikes new rival will be the 49ers? Lol.

  66. The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 6:49 PM

    packercpa says:
    Nov 1, 2011 6:11 PM
    Maybe they did have the guts to make a tough decision and you just don’t like it. They certainly know that they will be labeled as the ones who let the Vikings leave, so I think they made a very tough decision.
    _________

    I don’t think they believe for one second that the team will leave. They just don’t get it. And if they do get it, they’re looking for cover by saying they “let the people decide.”

  67. theravenlives2 says: Nov 1, 2011 6:50 PM

    what have the people of minnesota done to deserve keeping the franchise name, logo, etc? they have over and over refused to put any skin in the game. the vikes want to stay, but the legislature has said to the franchise, “get out of town.” if you want to compare this situation to the browns going to baltimore it is easy… in every way it is the exact opposite.
    ================================
    Stop rewriting history, chief. It’s almost exactly the same.

    1) Cleveland built a baseball stadium and a basketball areana, all-the-while telling Modell that he was “Next”. Well, “next” never came.
    2) Minnesota built a baseball stadium and a college football stadium, all-the-while telling Wilf and the Vikings that they were “next”.
    3) When the Browns left, the politicans of Cleveland, who had ample time and money to save the Browns, screamed about how “unfair” they were treated by the NFL.
    4) When the Vikings leave, the politicans of Minnesota, who had ample time and money to save the Vikings, will scream about how “unfair” they are treated by the NFL.

    You tell me, what the hell is the difference?

  68. The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 6:51 PM

    theravenlives2 says:
    Nov 1, 2011 6:37 PM
    Here’s your chance, Minneapolis. You’ve done a terrible job so far of trying to keep the Vikings downtown. Now if you can come up with a financing solution that doesn’t involve a sales tax, you can keep them. Even if Zygi prefers Arden Hills, the NFL won’t let him leave town with a viable stadium plan for Minneapolis.
    =================================
    That’s the problem, dude. They’ve had a couple years to get a “viable stadium plan,” and haven’t.

    Oh, and the NFL won’t let them leave? Like they didn’t let the Raiders leave Oakland (ok, the fought that one), the Colts leave Baltimore, the Browns leave Cleveland, and the Oilers leave Houston? Riiiiight. Does the term “whistling past the graveyard” have any relevance to you?
    _______________

    If a stadium in Minneapolis is approved and Zygi decides he wants to go to LA, NFL owners will not vote to approve the move. They want to keep the team in Minnesota and they will be more than happy to let some other team in a weaker market move to LA.

  69. randleguy says: Nov 1, 2011 6:56 PM

    The colors, nickname and logo is property of the Wilf’s. If they would get the deal done, a part of the proposal is that the above mentioned items would then become property of the State of Minnesota.

  70. bordner says: Nov 1, 2011 6:56 PM

    As long as we’re throwing out crazy scenarios –

    Move the vikings to St Louis. Move the Rams to LA.

    Both teams could stay in their current divisions, maintaining current rivalries (and maybe actually improving them for the Rams).

    The Rams would be back in the city that was their home for decades and seems like their true home to many long-time NFL fans and the vikings are still close enough that some of their better fans could road-trip it down a couple of times per year.

  71. Robert says: Nov 1, 2011 6:58 PM

    Wouldn’t be shocking if the Vikings move to Los Angeles, and the Rams move to Minnesota?

    Actually, having the Rams in Minnesota wouldn’t be bad.

    NFC North

    Chicago
    Minnesota(Rams)
    Green Bay
    Detroit

    NFC WEST

    San Francisco
    Arizona
    Los Angeles(Vikings)
    Seattle

  72. banlarson says: Nov 1, 2011 6:59 PM

    I’ve remained a Vikings fan the 18 years I’ve lived out of state. Move the team, the states a dump and the fans up there are fair weather anyway.

    Problem is LA fans are worse; how about move the team to a state without a team like South Dakota and call em the Rushmore Rushers since all the Vikes can do is run anyway.

  73. staffordsyear says: Nov 1, 2011 7:08 PM

    It would have to be Sioux falls beings that its the largest city in sd…Im just glad it isn’t my team goin through this:)

  74. zbigern says: Nov 1, 2011 7:10 PM

    Los Angeles Lakers anybody? Former MN team in Purple and Yellow already doing its thing in LA…I hope the Vikes stay put but if they go they should keep the name and colors…the NFL already has too many teams with black as the main color and that seems to be todays popular choice. This is all just really too bad, but lets not forget a few years back when MN damn near had to black out a playoff game because they couldnt fill the Dome. Maybe they dont deserve a squad in MN.

  75. theytukrjobs says: Nov 1, 2011 7:24 PM

    Dang we have the country’s worst legislature. First a government shutdown and now letting a state asset walk…and for what? Retarded.

    The fact that we built the gophers and twins their own stadiums first using state money, then let the Vikings walk is basically proof that our fricken legislature is retarded. Good grief.

    I mean the project isn’t dead by any means but the fact that lawmakers are trying their best to actually push it into reverse, rather than forward, means that the writing might be on the wall.

    Perhaps our best bet at this point is that Zigi will temporarily move the team until we can vote out our lawmakers. Is that even an option?

  76. ruvelligwebuike says: Nov 1, 2011 7:27 PM

    I’ll admit that my memory is hazy, but let me see if I’m correct.

    Didn’t this state force an “arts” bill into the State DNR budget to renovate a bunch of theatres…basically to make the building look prettier while they played off-Broadway “Cats” for the 4, 789th time without a public referendum?

    Didn’t this state pass a $100 million renovation to the Somalian projects to make them LOOK NICER without a public referendum?

    But no money for football. Wow. I don’t know if I would bother waking up if I were unfortunate enough to be from that state.

  77. christopher525 says: Nov 1, 2011 7:30 PM

    KC to AFC South, LA to AFC West, Indy to NFC North, wouldn’t THAT be weird.

  78. stanklepoot says: Nov 1, 2011 7:34 PM

    This is just one more in a long chain of similar stories. People react negatively to the idea of increasing their taxes (because who actually wants to pay more taxes?), then somewhere down the road the same people will be complaining about losing the Vikings. They’ll blame Zygi Wilf the most I’m sure, but there will likely still be some blame to go around to the politicians. Why? Because too many people refuse to learn a very important truth: If you want something you have to be willing to pay for it. We all hate paying taxes, but that’s how the government gets the money it needs to provide the services we want and to make the investments that local businesses depend upon.

  79. football2011 says: Nov 1, 2011 7:35 PM

    Minnesota Nice has become Minnesota Stupid.

    Governor Dayton has capped state contributions at $300M. Thats $10M per over the 30 year life of the stadium since iterest rates are near zero.

    The state will lose $20M alone in lost direct tax revenue (see attached link)

    It generates $300M upfront in construction jobs alone (see attached link)

    This NOT a victory for Taxpayers or Democracy.

    If the Vikings leave, the State legislature will have to come up with an addtional $20M per year to make up for the lost tax revenue from the Vikings.

    Where is that money going to come from?

    I am in my 50s and a lifelong Republican, but if these Tea Party Morons screw this up and the Vikes leave, I am joining the Democractic party for good.

    Enough stupidity

    Here is where I got my numbers:

    http://www.vikings.com/stadium/new-stadium/faq.html

  80. 7ransponder says: Nov 1, 2011 7:35 PM

    tombradysponytail says:
    Nov 1, 2011 5:05 PM
    I’m starting to get the feeling that Minnesota doesn’t really care if the Vikings leave….
    ————————-
    Wrong, the Vikings are still super popular and many would have very heavy hearts if they leave.

    Our Legislators, who already doomed themselves to not getting re-elected by playing with people’s lives by forcing a gov’t shutdown this past summer, are in full on “No” mode, just like our previous governor.

    This is all on our incredibly inept state government that has no idea how to lead, not the people.

  81. derekjetersmansion says: Nov 1, 2011 7:36 PM

    The lease will re-upped at some point, right?

  82. gb4mn0 says: Nov 1, 2011 7:39 PM

    PhatomStanger

    If a stadium in Minneapolis is approved and Zygi decides he wants to go to LA, NFL owners will not vote to approve the move. They want to keep the team in Minnesota and they will be more than happy to let some other team in a weaker market move to LA.
    —————————————-

    You couldn’t be more wrong.

    First off, of the vikes were not a weak market team the stadium deal would have been a done deal years ago. The Vikes 3rd from the bottom as far as financial revenues among NFL teams and 17 of these teams are in smaller metro areas. This team has had trouble for years selling season tickets and when a team has trouble selling tickets that limits opportunities for other ancillary revenue streams.

    Secondly, your assertion of lost tax revenues due to no new stadium has been disprove in literally dozens of studies done on the economic impact professional sports has on metro area. Even in the most favorable ones they say there is at best a “minuscule” benefit. Zygi know this, that’s why hes spent millions lobbying the MN politicians to get a new stadium deal done. He is trying to buy their votes because they know the truth of these studies also. It’s a matter of public record the million he’s spent on politicians from both parties via is No.1 lobbyist, Lester Bagley.

    Don’t be afraid of the truth.

  83. leroysbutler says: Nov 1, 2011 8:37 PM

    Why fly to LA when you can drive to Lambeau in less than 5 hours. Enjoy life, become a Packer fan.

  84. pauliepennino says: Nov 1, 2011 8:42 PM

    Move to LA next season. Rams join the NFC North. Vikings join NFC West. As a Packers fan, I am truly saddened by this…trash talk is one thing but the NFC North has the best tradition in the league – nothing else comes close. Lost the North Stars, elected a wrestler, elected a moronic comedian, and now the Vikings….sad.

  85. canadianvikingfaniii says: Nov 1, 2011 9:00 PM

    This whole debacle is sickening. If they end up moving and the NFL is still serious about a team in another country why not Canada for the Vikings? They can keep the whole Tundra feel and hell build a open roof stadium. Where exactly they’d build it I don’t know but maybe they should consider it, anywhere is better than LA. It would keep them in the North as well, keep them in the old black and blue division.

    I just hope it doesn’t come down to the team moving, all my life I’ve known the *MINNESOTA* Vikings, and outside of making yearly trips to Detroit for away games, I try to make it to a home game once in a while.

  86. ltkevin says: Nov 1, 2011 9:02 PM

    Yahoo…..more money for ridiculous statues in the parks,and now we can renovate more theaters and art museums that .01% of the Minnesota population is interested in.

    Interesting in the same newscast that talked of this story the very next clip was of how the state was going to dump 200 million plus in renovating the state capital were these dumb decisions are made…..

  87. nflfan1326 says: Nov 1, 2011 9:11 PM

    California is such a bad state to do business in. It’s as close to a European country as any state we have. And we all know how Europe is doing. Minnesota will have time to put referendum on ballot in 2012 and if it passes, build a stadium sooner than it would to build a stadium in LA with all of the environmental regulations. Seriously they would be playing in the Rose Bowl for 5 years. Question is can Ziggy wait until 2017 for new LA stadium if he leaves.

  88. vikingssoxfrustration says: Nov 1, 2011 9:20 PM

    I jsut don’t think I can root for the LA Vikings…Might need to find another ream to root for…which KILLS ME!!!

  89. ee00ee says: Nov 1, 2011 9:22 PM

    I applaud MN for not caving in to what is in essence corporate extortion. If it’s not cost effective to operate the stadium they need to change the business model. It’s not up to government to be involved in business in this way.

  90. scudbot says: Nov 1, 2011 9:49 PM

    People who are commenting here – on Pro Football Talk – are obviously fans of pro football. How can it be better to see your team leave than pay some insignificant amount to assist the state in keeping the team? I don’t get it – even if it’s the Vikes.

  91. kennyrogerschicken says: Nov 1, 2011 9:54 PM

    The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 6:49 PM

    packercpa says:
    Nov 1, 2011 6:11 PM
    Maybe they did have the guts to make a tough decision and you just don’t like it. They certainly know that they will be labeled as the ones who let the Vikings leave, so I think they made a very tough decision.
    _________

    I don’t think they believe for one second that the team will leave. They just don’t get it. And if they do get it, they’re looking for cover by saying they “let the people decide.”

    ————————————

    It’s the “people” who are going to help pay for this stadium, so let them vote on it and get their input on the matter. I’d bet the vote would go in the Vikings favor, but Ramsey County took the vote out of the tax payers hands, effectively ruining things in the process.

    I hate the Vikes, but they need a stadium. It’s too bad the county I live in made a bad decision and now it may doom the stadium. When there’s money involved, give people a chance to vote and make up their own minds – this isn’t communism.

  92. FinFan68 says: Nov 1, 2011 9:56 PM

    “Even if Zygi prefers Arden Hills, the NFL won’t let him leave town with a viable stadium plan for Minneapolis.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The NFL wants a team in LA more than they want a team in a “lesser” market. I actually believe they want TWO teams in LA with a similar stadium sharing deal as the Jets/Giants have in the “other” large market. There are about 10-12 teams that the NFL would not consider moving and about 7 or 8 that they would gladly move if there is more money to be made. I doubt they will let that market go untapped much longer regardless of any historical data/speculation about a lack of support. There are a lot of out there with a ton of money to spend and the NFL will do whatever it takes to get them to spend it on football.

  93. purpleman527 says: Nov 1, 2011 9:59 PM

    Most of you are wrong about the “impending” move to “L.A.”

    Remember the labor dispute?
    Day in and day out, for 5 months, we got the deal is close/isn’t close blow by blow.

    Same thing here folks. Both sides will play a game of chicken and in the end I’ll bet Goodell intervenes and the Vikes sign a one year lease at the Trash Bag Dome in order to come to a final stadium deal.

    The NFL does not want to breakdown the rivalries unless its a last resort. The move to L.A. would create other problems for the league.

    Just my view.

  94. bresilhac says: Nov 1, 2011 10:01 PM

    San Antonio Vikings baby. It’s in the cards.

  95. blaz0037 says: Nov 1, 2011 10:16 PM

    for those saying this is a good thing because taxes are bad, blah, blah, blah, just remember that tax increases like this are passed almost annually in MN. In recent memory, on the ballot in 2010 was a option for a .25% sales tax increase for 25 yrs. It was all in the name of, and I quote, “art/wildlife”. It was put to a vote, and it passed in a landslide. Crazy, but true. and NOW they want to take a stand? and FORCE the Vikes to leave?

    I’m ashamed to be from MN right now.

  96. cusoman says: Nov 1, 2011 10:19 PM

    kennyrogerschicken says: Nov 1, 2011 9:54 PM

    It’s the “people” who are going to help pay for this stadium, so let them vote on it and get their input on the matter. I’d bet the vote would go in the Vikings favor, but Ramsey County took the vote out of the tax payers hands, effectively ruining things in the process.

    I hate the Vikes, but they need a stadium. It’s too bad the county I live in made a bad decision and now it may doom the stadium. When there’s money involved, give people a chance to vote and make up their own minds – this isn’t communism.
    ————————–
    You’re right, it’s not communism. It’s not a true democracy either, which is what you described – we live in a representative democracy and that means you elect people to vote on the issues and bills for you.

    That’s all those of us close to this issue are asking for – the reps we elected to lead to step up and attempt to come up with a viable solution. The Vikings are an asset to this state and region and need to stay put.

  97. minnysoda says: Nov 1, 2011 10:21 PM

    canadianvikingfaniii

    You yearn for Tundra moron look to a successful franchise
    Otherwise Go west young Viking fan loser Go West

    Signed
    Horace Greeley

  98. bigred12 says: Nov 1, 2011 10:32 PM

    amy koch is such a giant b. the government is messing this up, but at the same time wilf wants a $1.2 billion stadium. didn’t heinz field cost something like $300 million?

    oh, and I like all the idiots on here saying things like “the residents must not like football.” get a grip, douches. the vikings have plenty of fans.

  99. vikesfan4life says: Nov 1, 2011 10:32 PM

    It’s ridiculous to think that the people of this state are going to just let 50+ years of history just walk out the door. The very next story on the news after showing this announcement was how they were going to be paying for a bunch of upgrades to the State Capitol. Yeah awesome use of public dollars. Sure glad we have the Walker and the Guthrie that used tax dollars as well. Just a F’ing joke.

  100. threedeep1998 says: Nov 1, 2011 11:15 PM

    garyman1 says: Nov 1, 2011 6:37 PM

    As a Packer fan, I really wanted this to get done. The Vikes are a great rivalry and I’ll hate to see them move. Ultimately, it looks like the community is choosing pro football is not that important.
    So much for greats like Carl Eller, Mick Tingelhoff, Alan Page, Paul Krause, Bud Grant, and the rest of the purple people eaters.
    —————————————————————

    Community? Minnesota is a big state and it’s a state full of people who don’t care about sports. I understand that if you’re in GB you must love the Packers. There’s a lot of music, art, theater, etc that Minnesotans take pride in and especially people in MPLS/St.Paul. I’m sure the same goes for people from Chicago and Det!

  101. usedtool says: Nov 1, 2011 11:16 PM

    I’d hate to see the Vikes go. But maybe Minnesota would be doing the rest of the country a favor if they force the Vikes out. And make no mistake, they are forcing them out.

    You can’t see a bridge falling apart due to lack of maintenance until it actually falls in the river. You’d think Minnesotans, of all people, would understand this. You can’t see the problem with getting “union members” off the public payroll until you end up with no policemen, firemen or teachers. But you sure as hell can see the moving vans leaving Winter Park.

    Want something for nothing? Nothing is what you are liable to end up with.

  102. derrtony says: Nov 1, 2011 11:32 PM

    Now, Dayton and various leaders of the Minnesota legislature have thrown a major roadblock in the path of that outcome (new stadium).
    ———————————————–
    Who knew that indoor plumbing would be such a problem.

  103. bsputnik says: Nov 2, 2011 12:48 AM

    People of Minnesota, please look yourselves in the mirror and ask yourselves, “Why do I vote for these people?” This is a state that elected an uninteresting professional wrestler and awful actor to governor (not to mention insane) and a completely unfunny comedian and political commentator to the US Senate. I question the judgement of the MN voters.

    Losing the Vikings to LA would be a travesty unto football, only slightly less so than the Browns and Colts moving. Plus, Lakers —> North Stars —> Vikings….probably won’t get another franchise unless there is a future mega-expansion that will bring balanced divisions back. No team will move there now and there are better expansion options. Too bad.

  104. stevincinci says: Nov 4, 2011 6:03 PM

    L.A. Vikings to the West

    Hopefully, they would change their name if they moved to L.A. Like……the L.A. Cali’s.

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