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		<title>By: stevincinci</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 22:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[L.A. Vikings to the West

Hopefully, they would change their name if they moved to L.A. Like......the L.A. Cali&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L.A. Vikings to the West</p>
<p>Hopefully, they would change their name if they moved to L.A. Like&#8230;&#8230;the L.A. Cali&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: bsputnik</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 04:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People of Minnesota, please look yourselves in the mirror and ask yourselves, &quot;Why do I vote for these people?&quot;  This is a state that elected an uninteresting professional wrestler and awful actor to governor (not to mention insane) and a completely unfunny comedian and political commentator to the US Senate.  I question the judgement of the MN voters.  

Losing the Vikings to LA would be a travesty unto football, only slightly less so than the Browns and Colts moving.  Plus, Lakers ---&gt; North Stars ---&gt; Vikings....probably won&#039;t get another franchise unless there is a future mega-expansion that will bring balanced divisions back.  No team will move there now and there are better expansion options.  Too bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People of Minnesota, please look yourselves in the mirror and ask yourselves, &#8220;Why do I vote for these people?&#8221;  This is a state that elected an uninteresting professional wrestler and awful actor to governor (not to mention insane) and a completely unfunny comedian and political commentator to the US Senate.  I question the judgement of the MN voters.  </p>
<p>Losing the Vikings to LA would be a travesty unto football, only slightly less so than the Browns and Colts moving.  Plus, Lakers &#8212;&gt; North Stars &#8212;&gt; Vikings&#8230;.probably won&#8217;t get another franchise unless there is a future mega-expansion that will bring balanced divisions back.  No team will move there now and there are better expansion options.  Too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: derrtony</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now, Dayton and various leaders of the Minnesota legislature have thrown a major roadblock in the path of that outcome  (new stadium).
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Who knew that indoor plumbing would be such a problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, Dayton and various leaders of the Minnesota legislature have thrown a major roadblock in the path of that outcome  (new stadium).<br />
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Who knew that indoor plumbing would be such a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: usedtool</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d hate to see the Vikes go.  But maybe Minnesota would be doing the rest of the country a favor if they force the Vikes out.  And make no mistake, they are forcing them out.

You can&#039;t see a bridge falling apart due to lack of maintenance until it actually falls in the river.  You&#039;d think Minnesotans, of all people, would understand this.  You can&#039;t see the problem with getting &quot;union members&quot; off the public payroll until you end up with no policemen, firemen or teachers.  But you sure as hell can see the moving vans leaving Winter Park.

Want something for nothing?  Nothing is what you are liable to end up with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d hate to see the Vikes go.  But maybe Minnesota would be doing the rest of the country a favor if they force the Vikes out.  And make no mistake, they are forcing them out.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t see a bridge falling apart due to lack of maintenance until it actually falls in the river.  You&#8217;d think Minnesotans, of all people, would understand this.  You can&#8217;t see the problem with getting &#8220;union members&#8221; off the public payroll until you end up with no policemen, firemen or teachers.  But you sure as hell can see the moving vans leaving Winter Park.</p>
<p>Want something for nothing?  Nothing is what you are liable to end up with.</p>
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		<title>By: threedeep1998</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[garyman1 says: Nov 1, 2011 6:37 PM

As a Packer fan, I really wanted this to get done. The Vikes are a great rivalry and I’ll hate to see them move. Ultimately, it looks like the community is choosing pro football is not that important.
So much for greats like Carl Eller, Mick Tingelhoff, Alan Page, Paul Krause, Bud Grant, and the rest of the purple people eaters.
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Community?  Minnesota is a big state and it&#039;s a state full of people who don&#039;t care about sports.  I understand that if you&#039;re in GB you must love the Packers.  There&#039;s a lot of music, art, theater, etc that Minnesotans take pride in and especially people in MPLS/St.Paul.  I&#039;m sure the same goes for people from Chicago and Det!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>garyman1 says: Nov 1, 2011 6:37 PM</p>
<p>As a Packer fan, I really wanted this to get done. The Vikes are a great rivalry and I’ll hate to see them move. Ultimately, it looks like the community is choosing pro football is not that important.<br />
So much for greats like Carl Eller, Mick Tingelhoff, Alan Page, Paul Krause, Bud Grant, and the rest of the purple people eaters.<br />
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<p>Community?  Minnesota is a big state and it&#8217;s a state full of people who don&#8217;t care about sports.  I understand that if you&#8217;re in GB you must love the Packers.  There&#8217;s a lot of music, art, theater, etc that Minnesotans take pride in and especially people in MPLS/St.Paul.  I&#8217;m sure the same goes for people from Chicago and Det!</p>
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		<title>By: vikesfan4life</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s ridiculous to think that the people of this state are going to just let 50+ years of history just walk out the door. The very next story on the news after showing this announcement was how they were going to be paying for a bunch of upgrades to the State Capitol. Yeah awesome use of public dollars. Sure glad we have the Walker and the Guthrie that used tax dollars as well. Just a F&#039;ing joke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ridiculous to think that the people of this state are going to just let 50+ years of history just walk out the door. The very next story on the news after showing this announcement was how they were going to be paying for a bunch of upgrades to the State Capitol. Yeah awesome use of public dollars. Sure glad we have the Walker and the Guthrie that used tax dollars as well. Just a F&#8217;ing joke.</p>
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		<title>By: bigred12</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[amy koch is such a giant b. the government is messing this up, but at the same time wilf wants a $1.2 billion stadium. didn&#039;t heinz field cost something like $300 million?

oh, and I like all the idiots on here saying things like &quot;the residents must not like football.&quot; get a grip, douches. the vikings have plenty of fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amy koch is such a giant b. the government is messing this up, but at the same time wilf wants a $1.2 billion stadium. didn&#8217;t heinz field cost something like $300 million?</p>
<p>oh, and I like all the idiots on here saying things like &#8220;the residents must not like football.&#8221; get a grip, douches. the vikings have plenty of fans.</p>
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		<title>By: minnysoda</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[canadianvikingfaniii

You yearn for Tundra moron look to a successful franchise 
Otherwise Go west young Viking fan loser Go West

Signed 
Horace Greeley]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>canadianvikingfaniii</p>
<p>You yearn for Tundra moron look to a successful franchise<br />
Otherwise Go west young Viking fan loser Go West</p>
<p>Signed<br />
Horace Greeley</p>
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		<title>By: cusoman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kennyrogerschicken says: Nov 1, 2011 9:54 PM

It’s the “people” who are going to help pay for this stadium, so let them vote on it and get their input on the matter. I’d bet the vote would go in the Vikings favor, but Ramsey County took the vote out of the tax payers hands, effectively ruining things in the process.

I hate the Vikes, but they need a stadium. It’s too bad the county I live in made a bad decision and now it may doom the stadium. When there’s money involved, give people a chance to vote and make up their own minds – this isn’t communism.
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You&#039;re right, it&#039;s not communism.  It&#039;s not a true democracy either, which is what you described - we live in a representative democracy and that means you elect people to vote on the issues and bills for you. 

That&#039;s all those of us close to this issue are asking for - the reps we elected to lead to step up and attempt to come up with a viable solution.  The Vikings are an asset to this state and region and need to stay put.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kennyrogerschicken says: Nov 1, 2011 9:54 PM</p>
<p>It’s the “people” who are going to help pay for this stadium, so let them vote on it and get their input on the matter. I’d bet the vote would go in the Vikings favor, but Ramsey County took the vote out of the tax payers hands, effectively ruining things in the process.</p>
<p>I hate the Vikes, but they need a stadium. It’s too bad the county I live in made a bad decision and now it may doom the stadium. When there’s money involved, give people a chance to vote and make up their own minds – this isn’t communism.<br />
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You&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s not communism.  It&#8217;s not a true democracy either, which is what you described &#8211; we live in a representative democracy and that means you elect people to vote on the issues and bills for you. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all those of us close to this issue are asking for &#8211; the reps we elected to lead to step up and attempt to come up with a viable solution.  The Vikings are an asset to this state and region and need to stay put.</p>
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		<title>By: blaz0037</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[for those saying this is a good thing because taxes are bad, blah, blah, blah, just remember that tax increases like this are passed almost annually in MN.  In recent memory, on the ballot in 2010 was a option for a .25% sales tax increase for 25 yrs.  It was all in the name of, and I quote, &quot;art/wildlife&quot;.  It was put to a vote, and it passed in a landslide.  Crazy, but true.  and NOW they want to take a stand? and FORCE the Vikes to leave?  

I&#039;m ashamed to be from MN right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for those saying this is a good thing because taxes are bad, blah, blah, blah, just remember that tax increases like this are passed almost annually in MN.  In recent memory, on the ballot in 2010 was a option for a .25% sales tax increase for 25 yrs.  It was all in the name of, and I quote, &#8220;art/wildlife&#8221;.  It was put to a vote, and it passed in a landslide.  Crazy, but true.  and NOW they want to take a stand? and FORCE the Vikes to leave?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m ashamed to be from MN right now.</p>
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		<title>By: bresilhac</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[San Antonio Vikings baby. It&#039;s in the cards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Antonio Vikings baby. It&#8217;s in the cards.</p>
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		<title>By: purpleman527</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of you are wrong about the &quot;impending&quot; move to &quot;L.A.&quot;

Remember the labor dispute?
Day in and day out, for 5 months, we got the deal is close/isn&#039;t close blow by blow.

Same thing here folks. Both sides will play a game of chicken and in the end I&#039;ll bet Goodell intervenes and the Vikes sign a one year lease at the Trash Bag Dome in order to come to a final stadium deal.

The NFL does not want to breakdown the rivalries unless its a last resort. The move to L.A. would create other problems for the league.

Just my view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of you are wrong about the &#8220;impending&#8221; move to &#8220;L.A.&#8221;</p>
<p>Remember the labor dispute?<br />
Day in and day out, for 5 months, we got the deal is close/isn&#8217;t close blow by blow.</p>
<p>Same thing here folks. Both sides will play a game of chicken and in the end I&#8217;ll bet Goodell intervenes and the Vikes sign a one year lease at the Trash Bag Dome in order to come to a final stadium deal.</p>
<p>The NFL does not want to breakdown the rivalries unless its a last resort. The move to L.A. would create other problems for the league.</p>
<p>Just my view.</p>
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		<title>By: FinFan68</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Even if Zygi prefers Arden Hills, the NFL won’t let him leave town with a viable stadium plan for Minneapolis.&quot;
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The NFL wants a team in LA more than they want a team in a &quot;lesser&quot; market. I actually believe they want TWO teams in LA with a similar stadium sharing deal as the Jets/Giants have in the &quot;other&quot; large market. There are about 10-12 teams that the NFL would not consider moving and about 7 or 8 that they would gladly move if there is more money to be made. I doubt they will let that market go untapped much longer regardless of any historical data/speculation about a lack of support. There are a lot of out there with a ton of money to spend and the NFL will do whatever it takes to get them to spend it on football.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even if Zygi prefers Arden Hills, the NFL won’t let him leave town with a viable stadium plan for Minneapolis.&#8221;<br />
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The NFL wants a team in LA more than they want a team in a &#8220;lesser&#8221; market. I actually believe they want TWO teams in LA with a similar stadium sharing deal as the Jets/Giants have in the &#8220;other&#8221; large market. There are about 10-12 teams that the NFL would not consider moving and about 7 or 8 that they would gladly move if there is more money to be made. I doubt they will let that market go untapped much longer regardless of any historical data/speculation about a lack of support. There are a lot of out there with a ton of money to spend and the NFL will do whatever it takes to get them to spend it on football.</p>
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		<title>By: kennyrogerschicken</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 6:49 PM

packercpa says:
Nov 1, 2011 6:11 PM
Maybe they did have the guts to make a tough decision and you just don’t like it. They certainly know that they will be labeled as the ones who let the Vikings leave, so I think they made a very tough decision.
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I don’t think they believe for one second that the team will leave. They just don’t get it. And if they do get it, they’re looking for cover by saying they “let the people decide.”

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It&#039;s the &quot;people&quot; who are going to help pay for this stadium, so let them vote on it and get their input on the matter. I&#039;d bet the vote would go in the Vikings favor, but Ramsey County took the vote out of the tax payers hands, effectively ruining things in the process. 

I hate the Vikes, but they need a stadium. It&#039;s too bad the county I live in made a bad decision and now it may doom the stadium. When there&#039;s money involved, give people a chance to vote and make up their own minds - this isn&#039;t communism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 1, 2011 6:49 PM</p>
<p>packercpa says:<br />
Nov 1, 2011 6:11 PM<br />
Maybe they did have the guts to make a tough decision and you just don’t like it. They certainly know that they will be labeled as the ones who let the Vikings leave, so I think they made a very tough decision.<br />
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<p>I don’t think they believe for one second that the team will leave. They just don’t get it. And if they do get it, they’re looking for cover by saying they “let the people decide.”</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the &#8220;people&#8221; who are going to help pay for this stadium, so let them vote on it and get their input on the matter. I&#8217;d bet the vote would go in the Vikings favor, but Ramsey County took the vote out of the tax payers hands, effectively ruining things in the process. </p>
<p>I hate the Vikes, but they need a stadium. It&#8217;s too bad the county I live in made a bad decision and now it may doom the stadium. When there&#8217;s money involved, give people a chance to vote and make up their own minds &#8211; this isn&#8217;t communism.</p>
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		<title>By: scudbot</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People who are commenting here - on Pro Football Talk - are obviously fans of pro football.  How can it be better to see your team leave than pay some insignificant amount to assist the state in keeping the team?  I don&#039;t get it - even if it&#039;s the Vikes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who are commenting here &#8211; on Pro Football Talk &#8211; are obviously fans of pro football.  How can it be better to see your team leave than pay some insignificant amount to assist the state in keeping the team?  I don&#8217;t get it &#8211; even if it&#8217;s the Vikes.</p>
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		<title>By: ee00ee</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I applaud MN for not caving in to what is in essence corporate extortion.  If it&#039;s not cost effective to operate the stadium they need to change the business model.  It&#039;s not up to government to be involved in business in this way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud MN for not caving in to what is in essence corporate extortion.  If it&#8217;s not cost effective to operate the stadium they need to change the business model.  It&#8217;s not up to government to be involved in business in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: vikingssoxfrustration</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I jsut don&#039;t think I can root for the LA Vikings...Might need to find another ream to root for...which KILLS ME!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I jsut don&#8217;t think I can root for the LA Vikings&#8230;Might need to find another ream to root for&#8230;which KILLS ME!!!</p>
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		<title>By: nflfan1326</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[California is such a bad state to do business in. It&#039;s as close to a European country as any state we have. And we all know how Europe is doing. Minnesota will have time to put referendum on ballot in 2012 and if it passes, build a stadium sooner than it would to build a stadium in LA with all of the environmental regulations. Seriously they would be playing in the Rose Bowl for 5 years. Question is can Ziggy wait until 2017 for new LA stadium if he leaves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California is such a bad state to do business in. It&#8217;s as close to a European country as any state we have. And we all know how Europe is doing. Minnesota will have time to put referendum on ballot in 2012 and if it passes, build a stadium sooner than it would to build a stadium in LA with all of the environmental regulations. Seriously they would be playing in the Rose Bowl for 5 years. Question is can Ziggy wait until 2017 for new LA stadium if he leaves.</p>
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		<title>By: ltkevin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yahoo.....more money for ridiculous statues in the parks,and now we can renovate more theaters and art museums that .01% of the Minnesota population is interested in.

Interesting in the same newscast that talked of this story the very next clip was of how the state was going to dump 200 million plus in renovating the state capital were these dumb decisions are made.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahoo&#8230;..more money for ridiculous statues in the parks,and now we can renovate more theaters and art museums that .01% of the Minnesota population is interested in.</p>
<p>Interesting in the same newscast that talked of this story the very next clip was of how the state was going to dump 200 million plus in renovating the state capital were these dumb decisions are made&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: canadianvikingfaniii</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole debacle is sickening. If they end up moving and the NFL is still serious about a team in another country why not Canada for the Vikings? They can keep the whole Tundra feel and hell build a open roof stadium. Where exactly they&#039;d build it I don&#039;t know but maybe they should consider it, anywhere is better than LA. It would keep them in the North as well, keep them in the old black and blue division.

I just hope it doesn&#039;t come down to the team moving, all my life I&#039;ve known the *MINNESOTA* Vikings, and outside of making yearly trips to Detroit for away games, I try to make it to a home game once in a while.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole debacle is sickening. If they end up moving and the NFL is still serious about a team in another country why not Canada for the Vikings? They can keep the whole Tundra feel and hell build a open roof stadium. Where exactly they&#8217;d build it I don&#8217;t know but maybe they should consider it, anywhere is better than LA. It would keep them in the North as well, keep them in the old black and blue division.</p>
<p>I just hope it doesn&#8217;t come down to the team moving, all my life I&#8217;ve known the *MINNESOTA* Vikings, and outside of making yearly trips to Detroit for away games, I try to make it to a home game once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: pauliepennino</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 00:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Move to LA next season.  Rams join the NFC North.  Vikings join NFC West.  As a Packers fan, I am truly saddened by this...trash talk is one thing but the NFC North has the best tradition in the league - nothing else comes close.  Lost the North Stars, elected a wrestler, elected a moronic comedian, and now the Vikings....sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move to LA next season.  Rams join the NFC North.  Vikings join NFC West.  As a Packers fan, I am truly saddened by this&#8230;trash talk is one thing but the NFC North has the best tradition in the league &#8211; nothing else comes close.  Lost the North Stars, elected a wrestler, elected a moronic comedian, and now the Vikings&#8230;.sad.</p>
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		<title>By: leroysbutler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[leroysbutler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 00:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why fly to LA when you can drive to Lambeau in less than 5 hours. Enjoy life, become a Packer fan.]]></description>
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		<title>By: gb4mn0</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PhatomStanger

If a stadium in Minneapolis is approved and Zygi decides he wants to go to LA, NFL owners will not vote to approve the move. They want to keep the team in Minnesota and they will be more than happy to let some other team in a weaker market move to LA.
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You couldn&#039;t be more wrong.

First off, of the vikes were not a weak market team the stadium deal would have been a done deal years ago. The Vikes 3rd from the bottom as far as financial revenues among NFL teams and 17 of these teams are in smaller metro areas. This team has had trouble for years selling season tickets and when a team has trouble selling tickets that limits opportunities for other ancillary revenue streams.

Secondly, your assertion of lost tax revenues due to no new stadium has been disprove in literally dozens of studies done on the economic impact professional sports has on metro area. Even in the most favorable ones they say there is at best a &quot;minuscule&quot; benefit. Zygi know this, that&#039;s why hes spent millions lobbying the MN politicians to get a new stadium deal done. He is trying to buy their votes because they know the truth of these studies also. It&#039;s a matter of public record the million he&#039;s spent on politicians from both parties via is No.1 lobbyist, Lester Bagley. 

Don&#039;t be afraid of the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PhatomStanger</p>
<p>If a stadium in Minneapolis is approved and Zygi decides he wants to go to LA, NFL owners will not vote to approve the move. They want to keep the team in Minnesota and they will be more than happy to let some other team in a weaker market move to LA.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>You couldn&#8217;t be more wrong.</p>
<p>First off, of the vikes were not a weak market team the stadium deal would have been a done deal years ago. The Vikes 3rd from the bottom as far as financial revenues among NFL teams and 17 of these teams are in smaller metro areas. This team has had trouble for years selling season tickets and when a team has trouble selling tickets that limits opportunities for other ancillary revenue streams.</p>
<p>Secondly, your assertion of lost tax revenues due to no new stadium has been disprove in literally dozens of studies done on the economic impact professional sports has on metro area. Even in the most favorable ones they say there is at best a &#8220;minuscule&#8221; benefit. Zygi know this, that&#8217;s why hes spent millions lobbying the MN politicians to get a new stadium deal done. He is trying to buy their votes because they know the truth of these studies also. It&#8217;s a matter of public record the million he&#8217;s spent on politicians from both parties via is No.1 lobbyist, Lester Bagley. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be afraid of the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: derekjetersmansion</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The lease will re-upped at some point, right?]]></description>
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		<title>By: 7ransponder</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tombradysponytail says: 
Nov 1, 2011 5:05 PM 
I’m starting to get the feeling that Minnesota doesn’t really care if the Vikings leave….
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Wrong, the Vikings are still super popular and many would have very heavy hearts if they leave.

Our Legislators, who already doomed themselves to not getting re-elected by playing with people&#039;s lives by forcing a gov&#039;t shutdown this past summer, are in full on &quot;No&quot; mode, just like our previous governor.

This is all on our incredibly inept state government that has no idea how to lead, not the people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tombradysponytail says:<br />
Nov 1, 2011 5:05 PM<br />
I’m starting to get the feeling that Minnesota doesn’t really care if the Vikings leave….<br />
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Wrong, the Vikings are still super popular and many would have very heavy hearts if they leave.</p>
<p>Our Legislators, who already doomed themselves to not getting re-elected by playing with people&#8217;s lives by forcing a gov&#8217;t shutdown this past summer, are in full on &#8220;No&#8221; mode, just like our previous governor.</p>
<p>This is all on our incredibly inept state government that has no idea how to lead, not the people.</p>
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		<title>By: football2011</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minnesota Nice has become Minnesota Stupid.

Governor Dayton has capped state contributions at $300M.  Thats $10M per over the 30 year life of the stadium since iterest rates are near zero.

The state will lose $20M alone in lost direct tax revenue (see attached link)

It generates $300M upfront in construction jobs alone  (see attached link)

This NOT a victory for Taxpayers or Democracy.

If the Vikings leave, the State legislature will have to come up with an addtional $20M per year to make up for the lost tax revenue from the Vikings.

Where is that money going to come from?

I am in my 50s and a lifelong Republican, but if these Tea Party Morons screw this up and the Vikes leave, I am joining the Democractic party for good.

Enough stupidity

Here is where I got my numbers:

http://www.vikings.com/stadium/new-stadium/faq.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minnesota Nice has become Minnesota Stupid.</p>
<p>Governor Dayton has capped state contributions at $300M.  Thats $10M per over the 30 year life of the stadium since iterest rates are near zero.</p>
<p>The state will lose $20M alone in lost direct tax revenue (see attached link)</p>
<p>It generates $300M upfront in construction jobs alone  (see attached link)</p>
<p>This NOT a victory for Taxpayers or Democracy.</p>
<p>If the Vikings leave, the State legislature will have to come up with an addtional $20M per year to make up for the lost tax revenue from the Vikings.</p>
<p>Where is that money going to come from?</p>
<p>I am in my 50s and a lifelong Republican, but if these Tea Party Morons screw this up and the Vikes leave, I am joining the Democractic party for good.</p>
<p>Enough stupidity</p>
<p>Here is where I got my numbers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vikings.com/stadium/new-stadium/faq.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vikings.com/stadium/new-stadium/faq.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: stanklepoot</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just one more in a long chain of similar stories. People react negatively to the idea of increasing their taxes (because who actually wants to pay more taxes?), then somewhere down the road the same people will be complaining about losing the Vikings. They&#039;ll blame Zygi Wilf the most I&#039;m sure, but there will likely still be some blame to go around to the politicians. Why? Because too many people refuse to learn a very important truth: If you want something you have to be willing to pay for it. We all hate paying taxes, but that&#039;s how the government gets the money it needs to provide the services we want and to make the investments that local businesses depend upon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just one more in a long chain of similar stories. People react negatively to the idea of increasing their taxes (because who actually wants to pay more taxes?), then somewhere down the road the same people will be complaining about losing the Vikings. They&#8217;ll blame Zygi Wilf the most I&#8217;m sure, but there will likely still be some blame to go around to the politicians. Why? Because too many people refuse to learn a very important truth: If you want something you have to be willing to pay for it. We all hate paying taxes, but that&#8217;s how the government gets the money it needs to provide the services we want and to make the investments that local businesses depend upon.</p>
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		<title>By: christopher525</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KC to AFC South, LA to AFC West, Indy to NFC North, wouldn&#039;t THAT be weird.]]></description>
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		<title>By: ruvelligwebuike</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll admit that my memory is hazy, but let me see if I&#039;m correct.

Didn&#039;t this state force an &quot;arts&quot; bill into the State DNR budget to renovate a bunch of theatres...basically to make the building look prettier while they played off-Broadway &quot;Cats&quot; for the 4, 789th time without a public referendum?

Didn&#039;t this state pass a $100 million renovation to the Somalian projects to make them LOOK NICER without a public referendum?

But no money for football. Wow. I don&#039;t know if I would bother waking up if I were unfortunate enough to be from that state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit that my memory is hazy, but let me see if I&#8217;m correct.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t this state force an &#8220;arts&#8221; bill into the State DNR budget to renovate a bunch of theatres&#8230;basically to make the building look prettier while they played off-Broadway &#8220;Cats&#8221; for the 4, 789th time without a public referendum?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t this state pass a $100 million renovation to the Somalian projects to make them LOOK NICER without a public referendum?</p>
<p>But no money for football. Wow. I don&#8217;t know if I would bother waking up if I were unfortunate enough to be from that state.</p>
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		<title>By: theytukrjobs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theytukrjobs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dang we have the country&#039;s worst legislature.  First a government shutdown and now letting a state asset walk...and for what?  Retarded.

The fact that we built the gophers and twins their own stadiums first using state money, then let the Vikings walk is basically proof that our fricken legislature is retarded.  Good grief.

I mean the project isn&#039;t dead by any means but the fact that lawmakers are trying their best to actually push it into reverse, rather than forward, means that the writing might be on the wall.  

Perhaps our best bet at this point is that Zigi will temporarily move the team until we can vote out our lawmakers.  Is that even an option?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang we have the country&#8217;s worst legislature.  First a government shutdown and now letting a state asset walk&#8230;and for what?  Retarded.</p>
<p>The fact that we built the gophers and twins their own stadiums first using state money, then let the Vikings walk is basically proof that our fricken legislature is retarded.  Good grief.</p>
<p>I mean the project isn&#8217;t dead by any means but the fact that lawmakers are trying their best to actually push it into reverse, rather than forward, means that the writing might be on the wall.  </p>
<p>Perhaps our best bet at this point is that Zigi will temporarily move the team until we can vote out our lawmakers.  Is that even an option?</p>
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