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Vikings are “concerned” about stadium situation

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The Vikings have finally issued a formal statement after two days of negative developments regarding the proposed construction of a new stadium in Minnesota.  Needless to say, the Vikings aren’t pleased with either the decision not to allow the local stadium partner to impose a sales tax without a public vote or the sudden opposition by legislative leaders to a special session later this month aimed at resolving the issue.

“The Vikings are concerned about the turn of events surrounding a stadium solution in Minnesota,” the team said.  “While we have been encouraged by the efforts of Governor Dayton and the four caucus leaders to seriously discuss this issue, these recent developments are very disappointing.  The Vikings stadium issue has been heavily debated in the public for over 10 years. With less than 90 days left on the team’s lease, the urgency to act is on us.”

There are actually less than 60 days remaining on the team’s lease.  And that means in less than 60 days the Vikings will be free to leave, barring a new lease at the Metrodome.  But there won’t be a new lease at the Metrodome without a deal for a new stadium.

Maybe it’s all a game of chicken between the team and the state.  Maybe it isn’t.  Regardless, the next few months with determine the franchise’s future — or lack thereof — in Minnesota.

It could be an ending suited for Hollywood.  And the final scene could end up being filmed there.

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  1. trbowman says: Nov 2, 2011 7:44 PM

    I’ll refer to Dirt Nasty’s comments on LA.

  2. indyseriesnick says: Nov 2, 2011 7:45 PM

    Speaking for most of the Vikings fans:
    Im really pissed about this

  3. nflinla says: Nov 2, 2011 7:46 PM

    The Vikings need to stay in Minnesota, they belong there. The only team that needs to come to LA are the Rams. The Rams will always belong to Los Angeles!

  4. david7590 says: Nov 2, 2011 7:52 PM

    Another purple and gold team from Minny headed for LA. At least the similar colors will make cross promoting easier.

  5. rowbear says: Nov 2, 2011 7:53 PM

    Another Minnesota team headed to LA? More purple and gold? I still don’t think LA really wants a team.

  6. locutus says: Nov 2, 2011 7:55 PM

    The politicians of Minnesota have to be the most ignorant and politically power hungry idiots around. The team has been trying for a stadium for over 10 years and here we are. Honestly, I hope they leave as they do not deserve the kick in the face they keep getting by a bunch of morons.

  7. hillzmickelzon says: Nov 2, 2011 7:56 PM

    Now all we need is to have Ponder find him an actress & its a done deal.. But we need a name LA??

  8. vikingsrdue says: Nov 2, 2011 7:56 PM

    The only thing that could make me give up on this team would be a move to la. LA fans are the worst without question, fairweather loudmouths.

  9. ninerdynasty says: Nov 2, 2011 7:57 PM

    You can’t have vikings in LA. I think the new name would be.. “the mayans” or “the mexicans” lol!

  10. hopendawg42 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:00 PM

    Talkn about puting a team in London with in my view travel concerns and ableness to attract free agents and not helping out the stadium situation in Minnesota with that fanbase sounds like it makes a lot of sense to me!

  11. bmue42 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:00 PM

    im a life long packers fan, and i could care less if the viking move, never have i considered the vikings a rival.
    over paying our washed up players for a 2 year run once every decade doesnt make this a rivalry. or even allowing our best player of all time to don your uni to break your hearts doesnt make it one either.
    if there isnt enough fan support to overwhelm your elected officials so they have to get this done you dont deserve a franchise.
    enjoy going from 10,000 ponds to traffic jams and smog, smell ya later vikes

  12. 12is3times4 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:02 PM

    The NFL wants LA more than LA wants the NFL.

    And even if the Vikings do end up there, doesn’t mean the Rams or anyone else won’t end up sharing the stadium with them. That said, keep in mind that the Rams’ ownership group also owns Arsenal FC. You know, in London, England, another city the NFL apparently wants more than the city wants it.

  13. skidooman93 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:02 PM

    I could not be more frustrated about this whole stadium situation. Since I reside out of the metro area my congressional rep. doesn’t seem to care. I have sent numerous messages to him, expressing how important this is to me and others I know. And he has taken the ho, hum attitude as well. Last thing he sent to me said ” if they leave oh well.” I dont know what else can be done on my end. I have never votes for the guy in the 10 years I have lived in my current location. It is really sad, that these idiots elected cannot see how beneifically the vikings are to the state. They are by far and away the most followed and supported team in the state. for some reason they could find away to build a twins, stadium, and pad there own agendas, but cannot work together to solve the most important issue of 2011.

  14. Oldcat says: Nov 2, 2011 8:02 PM

    nflinla –

    Don’t you know that the Rams were in Cleveland for years before moving to Los Angeles?

  15. uberniner says: Nov 2, 2011 8:03 PM

    There are a lot of economic reasons to keep the Vikings in Minnesota. People who drive them out to LA or elsewhere will be sorry. …Stupid!!!!

  16. jokendave says: Nov 2, 2011 8:03 PM

    North Dakota would be glad to have a deal with the Vikings. Come on over. Talk to our Govenor, I am sure a deal can be made to suit your needs. We want the NFL and revenue here.

  17. duluthvikesfan says: Nov 2, 2011 8:04 PM

    What pisses me off more than anything, is that if they wanted $300 million from the state to fix up or build a new theater for the “arts” the state would just hand it over with no referendum of public input. Again, the everyday hard working, tax paying sports loving citizen gets screwed. I notice the state leaders never put it to a ballot as to if and when they get a pay raise! I hope all of the current state leaders have a resume ready to go because they will all be out of a job come next election if they let the Vikes go.

  18. NoHomeTeam says: Nov 2, 2011 8:05 PM

    It could be an ending suited for Hollywood. And the final scene could end up being filmed there.

    You’re just too cute for your own good, Mike. A “Hollywood Ending” is typically interpreted to be a happy one, in which justice triumphs, evil is punished, and the good guy gets the girl (or, alternately, rides off into the sunset).

    A move to Los Angeles by the Vikings doesn’t fit that bill. That would be more of an early ’70s, Peter Bagdonovich, Arthur Penn kind of ending.

  19. contra74 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:05 PM

    LA is not ready for a pro team. Plain and simple.

  20. clear2me says: Nov 2, 2011 8:05 PM

    Please don’t any one say Toronto again as a possible site for a Vikings move. I’m a Canadian Vikes fan and the thought of my favorite football team in Toronto is really painful. I hate anything involved in Toronto sports as do most clear thinking Canadian fans especially those of us in Western Canada. Please Vikings, stay in Minnesota where you have a great history of exciting teams.

  21. gberg09 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:05 PM

    Why dosent ziggy just tell the state to shove it and build an open air stadium in the same place?? Thats what he wanted in the first place, and it was MUCH cheaper if I remember correctley. With the amount of his contribuition I would think that would be an option??

  22. ishallcomment says: Nov 2, 2011 8:06 PM

    we all know that no matter what, this would come down to the last minute…

    thems be politics for ya’

  23. donterrelli says: Nov 2, 2011 8:06 PM

    Would they stay in the NFC North if they move to L.A.?

  24. cmill119 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:07 PM

    Get the stadium deal done! Minnesota has already lost enough pro teams. The Vikings are a part of Minnesota, make sure they stay! If we built the Xcel Energy Center for the Wild and Target Field for the Twins we can surely build the Vikings a stadium.

  25. olskool711 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:08 PM

    “The Vikings need to stay in Minnesota, they belong there. The only team that needs to come to LA are the Rams. The Rams will always belong to Los Angeles!”

    Except when they were originally the Cleveland Rams from 1936-1945.

  26. steelfla says: Nov 2, 2011 8:08 PM

    I want the Rams back in LA,the Oilers back in Houston,the Colts back in Baltimore and the Cards back in StLouis.I want Curt Gowdy and Al Derogatis back in the booth.
    And I want to be 14 years old again.

  27. pack13queens0 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:12 PM

    It would be a very smart move for the team to move to LA. The team & the league would make a lot more more & the fan support would be so much better as well. They would sell out every game with no corporate bailout & would never have to worry about blackouts that have plagued the Vikings their whole franchise history in Minnesota. And it would be a win for the football fans & local TV stations in Minneapolis as well. 60% of NFL fans in Minnesota are Packer fans & the local stations draw higher advertising revenue for Packer games than they do for the Vikings.

  28. vikingsinla says: Nov 2, 2011 8:13 PM

    This is really for the best, Vikings! The NFC West is an easier division, the TV market is amazing, and the refreshing LA air….well, at least you don’t have to shovel.

  29. tk1966 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:13 PM

    I really don’t understand why so many people are saying LA can’t support or isn’t ready for a team. Yes, many of the fans are of the fair weather variety – but the remaining fans are of the from-somewhere-else variety; meaning that the stadium will be sold out, or nearly sold out from week to week. Half the stadium will be LA fans, the other half will be fans of the visiting team (especially when the likes of the Cowboys, Steelers, Packers, Giants, Raiders visit).

    On another note, it would be ironic that 1. the city of LA could end up with two teams from Minn. and 2. a team that is the Kings, and the other the Vikings. The LA Kings and LA Vikings… ironic.

  30. tdawg7 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:14 PM

    why are the politicians telling us what we can and can’t have, I would like to see the Wylf’s build a stadium in MN on their own dime and when the politicians show up to see the game tell them to get the hell out. Do these great elected leaders not know what types of future revenue a new stadium would bring to the state. Think of the jobs it would create in building the stadium and all the state sales tax that would be generated after it is built, the politicians are looking at the $350 billion that they have to spend now, not the billions that they will make years to come. Let history teach us that there will be football in MN, just like hockey and basketball. I could only imagine how much it would cost to build a new stadium in 10 years and try to start expansion franchise, we already have the franchise, just build the damn stadium.

  31. mondzy805 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:14 PM

    Here how it is, from a 49ers fan who lives in So Cal. If the Vikings come to LA, that means the Rams would be going to the NFC North, while the Vikings would be NFC West. The other team coming to LA would be the Chargers, if they want or either The Bills or the Jaguars.

  32. nomoreseasontix says: Nov 2, 2011 8:17 PM

    To an outsider without a dog in this fight, it really doesn’t seem like the city of Minneapolis, Hennepin or Ramsey county, or the state of Minnesota are very interested in keeping the Vikings.
    On the other hand, Los Angeles seems to be trying fairly hard to get a team.
    It’s interesting in that most NFL fans in the L.A. area really want either the Raiders or the Rams back. Both teams they already lost once through apathy. Neither is going to return.
    Looks like L.A. fans better get used to purple and gold during football season.

  33. jaysfan64 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:22 PM

    clear2me says:
    Nov 2, 2011 8:05 PM
    Please don’t any one say Toronto again as a possible site for a Vikings move. I’m a Canadian Vikes fan and the thought of my favorite football team in Toronto is really painful. I hate anything involved in Toronto sports as do most clear thinking Canadian fans especially those of us in Western Canada. Please Vikings, stay in Minnesota where you have a great history of exciting teams.

     You’re just jealous….

  34. sbxxix says: Nov 2, 2011 8:22 PM

    Purple and Gold they’ll match the Lakers!!! They can cross the jerseys imagine a 16 Gasol Football jersey that would be nice!!!

  35. pack13queens0 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:22 PM

    A lot more money I meant to say, not a lot more more.

  36. kilo0986 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:25 PM

    As much as I want to see a team in LA, the Vikings belong in Minnesota.

  37. forthelove says: Nov 2, 2011 8:28 PM

    Man this really stinks for the Los Angeles Jaguars.

  38. skidooman93 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:28 PM

    pack13queens0 says:Nov 2, 2011 8:12 PM

    It would be a very smart move for the team to move to LA. The team & the league would make a lot more more & the fan support would be so much better as well. They would sell out every game with no corporate bailout & would never have to worry about blackouts that have plagued the Vikings their whole franchise history in Minnesota. And it would be a win for the football fans & local TV stations in Minneapolis as well. 60% of NFL fans in Minnesota are Packer fans & the local stations draw higher advertising revenue for Packer games than they do for the Vikings.

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    Another idiot packer fan, spouting off, and adding in statisics that are completly false and unfounded. The reason I hate the packers so much is because of idiots like you.

    The vikes haven’t had a black out since 1997, 14 years. And only an idiot would claim that 60% of fans in MN are packer fans. The local stations dont even care about packer games, they are never televised.

  39. blueandsilverforever says: Nov 2, 2011 8:28 PM

    Maybe I am confused. Fans are mad that the state blocked a tax hike that people don’t get to vote on?

    So basically what that says to me, is that non vikings fans want a say in whether or not there is a tax hike. I am going to assume the public at large will say no, which is why they want to push through a non vote ref.

    Democracy is good unless your sports team might move away?

  40. 1stngoal says: Nov 2, 2011 8:29 PM

    hillzmickelzon says: Nov 2, 2011 7:56 PM

    Now all we need is to have Ponder find him an actress & its a done deal.. But we need a name LA??
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    Isn’t Kim Kardasshian available again??? lol

  41. chief4ever says: Nov 2, 2011 8:29 PM

    Why is everyone so fixed on L.A? Maybe Zigi wants to move to San Antonio…

  42. lks311 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:31 PM

    donterrelli says:
    Nov 2, 2011 8:06 PM
    Would they stay in the NFC North if they move to L.A.?
    ————————————————————
    Not likely. Ironically, best guess is that THE RAMS would move to the NFC North. How’s that for a Hollywood plot twist?

  43. locutus says: Nov 2, 2011 8:31 PM

    bmue42 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:00 PM

    im a life long packers fan, and i could care less if the viking move, never have i considered the vikings a rival.

    Yet in typical loser Packer fashion, you felt the need to comment? Here’s a newsflash for you, none of us care what you think.

  44. 12is3times4 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:34 PM

    donterrelli: “Would they stay in the NFC North if they move to L.A.?”

    No, they’d probably just swap divisions with the St. Louis Rams. Of course, if/when the Rams themselves leave St. Louis, the Rams would then have to swap divisions with someone else, and maybe even trigger a wholesale realignment.

  45. jusford says: Nov 2, 2011 8:36 PM

    1) The gov’t doesn’t care and wants to put it off 6 mths so during the summer people aren’t thinking about it as they focus on campaining.
    2) ziggy could’ve had it built in blaine but he pissed them off when he tried getting a better offer in minneapolis (look it up).
    3) this is the same govt. That shut down parks on the biggest money making weekend of the year! They are inept.
    4) you want to pay for it, START the bidding for future naming rights! Why pay for ziggy’s stadium so he can turn around and collect on that! That deal alone would pay his costs back.
    see ya vikes!

  46. dontouchmyjunk says: Nov 2, 2011 8:36 PM

    The Minnesota Lakers moved to LA. Ever seen a lake in Los Angeles?

  47. zaggs says: Nov 2, 2011 8:39 PM

    Here is what I want to know. If the Giants and Jets can get together and build a 1.6 billion complex, without taxpayer money, why can’t the Vikes (or any other single team) build an 800 million dollar stadium on their own?
    Also why are the Vikes demanding that the people of the state should not get a say on the sales tax proposal?

  48. gb4mn0 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:39 PM

    To bad, so sad, looks more and more like no Lombardi for you lavender baboons to jump around and celebrate with like the tardos you are and rub it in the face of the Pack faithful. Instead your precious lavender larry’s are soon to be tossed onto the stinking heap of NFL failures. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of conyos.

  49. dontcallmepete says: Nov 2, 2011 8:41 PM

    I love how the “players are greedy” crowd from the NFL lockout now want taxpayers to help Ziggy build a billion dollar facility. Minnesota is closing schools, laying public employees off and had a state government shutdown this past summer.

    The Vikings aren’t the most important business in the state. These owners are playing the “mine is bigger than yours” game with other people’s money. If the NFL is stupid enough to come back to L.A. when there is no out cry for a team is foolish. The NFL is a television sport with most “fans” not able to afford tickets.

    This nation has been falling behind others in almost every measurable standards from educational levels to health care and we should now increase the gap between working people and a billionaire who knew what the stadium situation was before he bought the team, by giving him hundreds of millions in tax money. There’s a reason the Vikes don’t want a referendum on the stadium issue.

    Some of you guys are insane!

  50. football2011 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:49 PM

    Good analysis Jus.

    Minnesota Nice has become Minnesota Stupid.

  51. 12is3times4 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:51 PM

    [1] It was the MINNEAPOLIS Lakers.
    [2] Ever seen a jazz musician from Utah?

  52. locutusthebusybody says: Nov 2, 2011 8:55 PM

    locutus says:Nov 2, 2011 8:31 PM

    bmue42 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:00 PM

    im a life long packers fan, and i could care less if the viking move, never have i considered the vikings a rival.

    Yet in typical loser Packer fashion, you felt the need to comment? Here’s a newsflash for you, none of us care what you think.
    _____________

    But, we should care what you think?

  53. gb4ever0811 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:55 PM

    As a Packers fan,

    I hope they stay in Minnesota. I like the NFC North as it is. The teams are so close to one another it makes it so much fun.

  54. footballnut2011 says: Nov 2, 2011 8:58 PM

    If this team takes off and leaves thousands of us heartbroken. I am done with the NFL. Lets go minnesota..get this DONE!

  55. deconjonesbitchslap says: Nov 2, 2011 9:02 PM

    LA is a dump and I feel sorry for the players that will have to move out there.

    packer fans: who are you going to brag to if the vikings move? you know you love relishing in stomping on vikings fans. what do you do if you lose vikings fans? i’ll tell you: you lose interest. it’s not as fun anymore. the games just become that… a game.

    and don’t say bears fans. you know you hate losing to the vikings more than losing to the bears.

  56. ErikW65 says: Nov 2, 2011 9:08 PM

    Re. “… there won’t be a new lease at the Metrodome without a deal for a new stadium.”

    So the Vikings can’t play there for one more season, but if promised a new publicly-financed stadium they can play there for one more season?

    Oh, it’s definitely a game of chicken. And I think they’re right to call Zygi’s bluff, given the money he’d leave on the table with his investment in the land surrounding the new MN site. Add to that the costs in moving, renting a temporary stadium, and then financing the construction or renovation of another stadium in LA…

    Nah, the Vikes ain’t going anywhere, this is all for show. The Jags or Chargers are more likely to move to LA.

  57. rcunningham says: Nov 2, 2011 9:14 PM

    bmue42 says:
    Nov 2, 2011 8:00 PM
    im a life long packers fan, and i could care less if the viking move

    So you COULD care less?

    Well, it’s welcoming to know that Packer fans support us :)

  58. sergisbauer says: Nov 2, 2011 9:15 PM

    I’m not trying to be confrontational, I’m honestly asking: For all the posters who keep shouting that “LA is not ready for an NFL franchise” and “LA is a bad football town” are you basing this on anything other than the Rams/Raiders history there? That was FIFTEEN YEARS AGO, and both the demographics of LA and, more importantly and profoundly, the position of the NFL in the sports world have changed.

    The popularity of football in relation to other sports has gone through the ceiling in the last decade, and I’m not convinced that looking at 1994 and before tells us much about what teams could expect in terms of an LA fan base.

    And again, not to come out and say that Los Angeles IS a good football town, just wondering if someone has anything recent and reliable that they’re basing that opinion on.

  59. vikesfansteve says: Nov 2, 2011 9:17 PM

    The sad thing is the tax will be pennies & not even noticeable. The state payed out some 800 million to Northwest Airlines a few years ago, how did that one work out for you MN!? When the Vikings leave & the govt approves strip mining for iron in northern MN don’t come whining for a football team then. The people in MN should be flogged if they force the Vikings to leave.

  60. gmen1987 says: Nov 2, 2011 9:18 PM

    Should be an interesting matchup in a couple of years when the LA Vikings play the Minnesota Jaguars.

  61. packercpa says: Nov 2, 2011 9:20 PM

    skidooman93,

    Way to show your ignorance. The only reason the Vikings have sold out since 1997 is the corporate buyouts that have happened on many of the weekends the Vikings couldn’t sell out.

    Also, if you knew how the television rules worked, you would know that this area can’t show the Packers when the Vikings are on television.

    BTW – what about KFAN (the radio home of Vikings) having a Sunday morning radio show for all the Packer fans in the area. :)!!

  62. section24 says: Nov 2, 2011 9:30 PM

    If the MN franchise does move to LA, I wonder if the state of MN will retain the colors, name, and legacy of the Vikings like Cleveland did when the Browns franchise moved to Baltimore.

  63. sdjay76 says: Nov 2, 2011 9:40 PM

    people who don’t think the nfl will work in l.a. are absolutely clueless. how soon we forget that the last two owners in l.a. were georgia and weird al. a owner like zigi in a state of the art stadium would absolutely thrive in so cal. sucks for the state of minnesota and their good fans up there, but as a viking fan in san diego i will be first in line to buy my season tickets.

  64. vikefan says: Nov 2, 2011 9:46 PM

    It would be a very smart move for the team to move to LA. The team & the league would make a lot more more & the fan support would be so much better as well. They would sell out every game with no corporate bailout & would never have to worry about blackouts that have plagued the Vikings their whole franchise history in Minnesota. And it would be a win for the football fans & local TV stations in Minneapolis as well. 60% of NFL fans in Minnesota are Packer fans & the local stations draw higher advertising revenue for Packer games than they do for the
    ———————————————————
    what a fricken loser & outright lie, how the hell do your posts constantly make it on this site. u r a biased packer fan that has absolutely no interest in the vikings other than them beating the crap out of your qb so bad it scares you and you want them to move.

  65. drbob117 says: Nov 2, 2011 9:48 PM

    This is what Zygi should do..call a presser for next week, announcing the brand new LA Vikings, and saying goodbye to the good people of Minneapolis. Tell them that the agreement with LA has an 8 week escape clause and if there’s no stadium by then , it’s bye bye land of Mary Tyler Moore. Tell them you want to stay, but you feel bad that the good people of Minneapolis are being let down by a few politicians. Tell them to call Dayton and all the other idiots and tell them if they lose the Vkings ,they can kiss the next election goodbye. Then just sit back and enjoy the fun. I guarantee , the Arden Hills deal will be in place before any of the twelve days of Christmas.

  66. bendhur says: Nov 2, 2011 9:48 PM

    ninerdynasty: you are nothing but a racist moron.

  67. jimmysee says: Nov 2, 2011 9:49 PM

    We want the Cardinals back in Chicago!

  68. garyman1 says: Nov 2, 2011 9:51 PM

    Wow…they’ve been working on it for 10 years.

    This is like the guy who jumped off an 8 story building…. after each floor, people kept hearing him say “so far, so good”.

    The Vikes are running out of floors.

  69. vikefan says: Nov 2, 2011 9:53 PM

    seriously, the only way to stop this MN nonsense is to have wilfs go to la & come back with a signed contract in place….this is the only way to call our dumb state reps bluff…..and if i was the owners, i would try and have something done by end of month if not by end of year….the only thing that this point the mn legislature will/may listen to is strong arming tactics with real consequences, no bluffing, have moving trucks parked and ready when season is over and prove it is not a bluff but reality, i simpy cannot comprehend 1. who voted these idiots in and 2. the amout of stupidity they contain

    on a side note after calling several reps and voicing concerns, they told me to ask dayton why the capital is slated for $200 mil renovation/remodel next year

  70. vikefan says: Nov 2, 2011 10:01 PM

    maybe the biggest question behind all of this is why have the vikings not paid more for their lobbyists/partners/stadium liason (bagley)? obviously it is working well with the indian casino owners supporting/backing zellers to not even consider casino/racino idea……maybe all of the vikings effort has been in the wrong place this whole time, it should have been in the back pockets of the legislature like the rest of lobbyists instead of front and center and handling it properly thru the system and it could have been done a long time ago.

  71. fertacrit says: Nov 2, 2011 10:02 PM

    blueandsilverforever says:
    Nov 2, 2011 8:28 PM
    Maybe I am confused. Fans are mad that the state blocked a tax hike that people don’t get to vote on?

    So basically what that says to me, is that non vikings fans want a say in whether or not there is a tax hike. I am going to assume the public at large will say no, which is why they want to push through a non vote ref.

    ———————————————
    I am from MN and want to clarify this for you. When the state needed $300 million to update one of our theatre’s (the Guthrie) the government deemed that as “referendum exempt” so that money was not put to a vote. Mainly because it (the Guthrie) was deemed part of the MN historical Fabric. So no-one got to vote on that money allocation. The Government just pulled the trigger. Now last I checked, the vikes have been around 50 years, bring in revenue, and are a STATE pride. How is THAT not a part of MN historical fabric? It seems what MOST of the opposition is focussing on is the up front cost. Yes, its alot. The vikings will only be playing at least 10 games a year, including pre-season BUT the VIKINGS will be paying 90% of the operating costs YEAR ROUND. So soccer games, conventions, concerts, state high school tournaments, final fours and other random events throughout the ENTIRE YEAR will basically be paid for. That is also the reason for a roof, so they can host events in the cold months. Then there are the jobs that it would create, not only for construction but to run the facility. Short sided self serving career politicians are the problem. NOT the fans.

  72. dubzito says: Nov 2, 2011 10:09 PM

    Pretty exciting week for Los Angeles sports fans. First, word that the Dodgers will be put up for sale and now this.

    I’ve grown up in a Packers household as a third generation Pack fan. My first memory of the Packers/Vikings rivalry was being 6 years old in 1989 and rooting with my Dad against the Vikings the last week of the season in hopes the Packers would make the playoffs. Born in ’83, I don’t remember the Bears dominance in the division first hand. Sure, the Bears are the Packers biggest rival, but to any true Packer fan born in the 80’s, its hard to hate any team more than the Vikings.

    That said I would hate to see the team leave. As much as I can’t stand the team, and as much as I root against them every Sunday, they don’t deserve that. Minnesota doesn’t deserve that.

    I’d hate to think the Monday Night Football game coming up next week would be the last Green Bay vs. Minnesota game. Here’s hoping the suits get their acts together and preserve this true rivalry for my generation, and those to follow.

  73. snarkzilla says: Nov 2, 2011 10:11 PM

    I’m a Packers fan. I want Vikes fans to feel the pain every time GB plays them.

    But Packers fans who are finding some kind of joy in Vikes fans misery and fear about losing their team should try putting themselves in Vikes fans shoes if only for this one issue. Some of the posts here are embarrassing and that’s putting some shine on it.

  74. knew8411 says: Nov 2, 2011 10:12 PM

    I see it working out like this: The fools who are running the show in the state of Minnesota are of the false opinion that the Vikings arent going anywhere, after January 1st. When January 2nd rolls around, and the Vikings leave MN, they are going to be saying “OH _ _ _ _! we thought they were kidding”
    It is going to be funny seeing how they plan an making up for the loss in tax revenue generated by this franchise, and the stadium they wanted built…..not to mention the loss of even more jobs.
    I am a Vikings fan, and dont really want this to happen, but I see no other way out. The politicians have painted themselves into a corner, and the Vikings out the door.
    Govenor Dayton can blow smoke collectively up as many backsides as he wishes, but in the end that is all he is doing, because he has NOT shown the ability or desire to back up his privious statements about supporting this team. It’s sad than a buisness (The Vikings) can give a community, and a state 50 years of buisness only to have them treat you like garbage in the end.
    I will cheer for the Vikings wherever they wind up, as I dont live in MN. I just wished that it would work out for them to stay.
    Were I the NFL I would not give the state of MN the franchie name or colors, if the franchise moves…..what have they done to earn it?

  75. locutus says: Nov 2, 2011 10:14 PM

    Loser who can’t think up a moniker for himself says:

    locutusthebusybody says: Nov 2, 2011 8:55 PM

    But, we should care what you think?

    Umm, this is about the Vikings, right? Don’t recall anywhere on here that references the Packers, yet we have losers, that have essentially no life, chirping up as if they have anything of importance to say. Like you, for example.

  76. Little Earthquake says: Nov 2, 2011 10:14 PM

    As a Pack fan I’d rather see my team make Minnesotans cry in their Grain Belt beers, than see my team make Angelinos cry into their seaweed-infused appletinis.

    Stay in Minnesota!!

  77. ultimatecardinalwarrior says: Nov 2, 2011 10:14 PM

    I don’t actually think Hollywood would make a movie about the internal dealings behind a stadium deal. A bit dull for them, don’t you think?

  78. locutus says: Nov 2, 2011 10:17 PM

    snarkzilla says: Nov 2, 2011 10:11 PM

    I’m a Packers fan. I want Vikes fans to feel the pain every time GB plays them.

    But Packers fans who are finding some kind of joy in Vikes fans misery and fear about losing their team should try putting themselves in Vikes fans shoes if only for this one issue. Some of the posts here are embarrassing and that’s putting some shine on it.

    Thank you, sir. I knew it was mathematically impossible for all Packer fans to be knuckle dragging, no life trolls. Your words of decency are much appreciated, despite their anonymity.

  79. warhawk04 says: Nov 2, 2011 10:18 PM

    As much as I hate the Vikings this sucks. Would leave a void in the NFC north the rams can’t fill. GB-Min are 2 games I look forward to every year.

  80. pack13queens0 says: Nov 2, 2011 10:18 PM

    section24 says:
    Nov 2, 2011 9:30 PM
    If the MN franchise does move to LA, I wonder if the state of MN will retain the colors, name, and legacy of the Vikings like Cleveland did when the Browns franchise moved to Baltimore.
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    I don’t think that’ll be an issue. No team will be foolish enough to move to Minnesota anyway. Once they lose the Vikings, they lose the NFL forever.

  81. tdawg7 says: Nov 2, 2011 10:21 PM

    why are the politicians telling us what we can and can’t have, I would like to see the Wylf’s build a stadium in MN on their own dime and when the politicians show up to see the game tell them to get the hell out. Do these great elected leaders not know what types of future revenue a new stadium would bring to the state. Think of the jobs it would create in building the stadium and all the state sales tax that would be generated after it is built, the politicians are looking at the $350 million that they have to spend now, not the millions that they will make years to come. Let history teach us that there will be football in MN, just like hockey and basketball. I could only imagine how much it would cost to build a new stadium in 10 years and try to start expansion franchise, we already have the franchise, just build the damn stadium.

  82. fertacrit says: Nov 2, 2011 10:22 PM

    packercpa

    I have some more paint chips for you to eat in my garage.

    Since 97 we haven’t had ONE “emergency” corporate ticket buyout to avoid a blackout.

    The reason there are more Pack fans in MN than Vikes fans in Wisc, is because there is no way a Minnesotan would ever move to wisc. But the Pack fans are doing all they can to get out of Cheese country.

  83. snarkzilla says: Nov 2, 2011 10:24 PM

    If it turns out that the Vikes have to leave Minnesota, I’d put LA about last on the places I’d like to see for a new home. LA pro football fans have proven themselves to be fickle more than once. When the team has sucked as all teams do from time to time, LA fans have abandoned in droves.

    Despite Dollar Roger’s dreams of shiny world corporate conquest and big media market wet dreams, football is a blue collar sport even if most blue collar folks can’t afford to go to games. Put ‘em in Fargo. It’ll keep the NFC North intact, it’ll keep what’s left of authentic pro football alive, we’ll get snow games, and the fans will be loyal to a fault.

    But I’d much rather the Vikes stay in Minnesota, preferably in an outdoor stadium in Arden Hills where fans can tailgate and snomo, where I can be happy to hate the Vikes till I die.

  84. snarkzilla says: Nov 2, 2011 10:35 PM

    >people who don’t think the nfl will work in l.a. are absolutely clueless.

    Yeah?

    Wait till the team starts sucking, which happens to all teams from time to time. History says you’re dead wrong.

  85. pack13queens0 says: Nov 2, 2011 10:44 PM

    snarkzilla says:
    Nov 2, 2011 10:11 PM
    I’m a Packers fan. I want Vikes fans to feel the pain every time GB plays them.

    But Packers fans who are finding some kind of joy in Vikes fans misery and fear about losing their team should try putting themselves in Vikes fans shoes if only for this one issue. Some of the posts here are embarrassing and that’s putting some shine on it.
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    Let me get this straight. You want us to show sympathy for the worst fans in the NFL? Minnesota doesn’t deserve a team, no other NFL team has had as many blackouts & that’s with the lowest ticket prices in the league as well. And the fans are very low class as well.

  86. snarkzilla says: Nov 2, 2011 10:48 PM

    > I wonder if the state of MN will retain the colors, name, and legacy of the Vikings like Cleveland did

    If the Vikes have to move, Minnesota won’t be getting another NFL team. Retaining colors and name is the kind of issue that will become a bill and all MN pols will vote for it so they can say they really cared.

  87. thatswhatimsayin says: Nov 2, 2011 10:49 PM

    gb4mn0 says:
    Nov 2, 2011 8:39 PM
    To bad, so sad, looks more and more like no Lombardi for you lavender baboons to jump around and celebrate with like the tardos you are and rub it in the face of the Pack faithful. Instead your precious lavender larry’s are soon to be tossed onto the stinking heap of NFL failures. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of conyos.

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    There you go with the spelling again. Your teachers must be so proud of you.

  88. mjjoe76 says: Nov 2, 2011 11:04 PM

    Spot on, Snarkzilla. The Packers and Vikings don’t like one another. Their fans generally don’t like one another. The games are aggressive, hard-fought and usually pretty close. The series is almost evenly split between the two teams.

    That’s what the NFL should be about. Not whether or not a player was hanging out with a porn star or whether or not he’s happy with his pay or what he said on Twitter.

    If the Vikings leave MN, the league loses the Packers-Vikings rivalry: highly-anticipated match-ups between two franchises with a great deal of history and no love lost. That would be a shame.

  89. snarkzilla says: Nov 2, 2011 11:17 PM

    pack13queens0 says: You want us to show sympathy for the worst fans in the NFL? Minnesota doesn’t deserve a team, no other NFL team has had as many blackouts

    fertacrit says: Since 97 we haven’t had ONE “emergency” corporate ticket buyout to avoid a blackout.

    Get that, pack13queens0? You may like the same team I like but you’re an idiot.

  90. briggsweatbird says: Nov 2, 2011 11:18 PM

    As a Green Bay fan living in Mpls, I would be sad to see the Vikings move. They are THE team here. If they go to L.A., and beat Jacksonville to Los Angeles, it will be Jacksonville who moves here later, costing citizens of this area more later, than now.

    If the Vikes leave, Minneapolis is nothing more than a cold Omaha. This place will be the sorriest, losingest city in the U.S. Wait, it already is. Very sad.

  91. durazor says: Nov 2, 2011 11:30 PM

    I was born and raised in L.A. and have been a Viking fan for over 30+ (torturous) years. I lived there when they had the Rams and when they had both, the Rams and Raiders. If the Vikings go to L.A. they’ll suffer the same fate that the previous two franchises did, can you say NO SUPPORT?! I was pissed seeing the Rams leave especially when the Vikings had become legitimate rivals during their playoff battles. As far as the Raiders leaving, that didn’t matter to me, lol. I don’t care who you put there, I just don’t see another football team surviving in that huge market especially with the way the economy is…and their talking about putting 2 teams there. That’s just ridiculous! Come on Chargers, help a brutha out and leave before we do, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE!!!

  92. tigobitties says: Nov 2, 2011 11:31 PM

    pack13queens0 says:
    ___________________________________
    Let me get this straight. You want us to show sympathy for the worst fans in the NFL? Minnesota doesn’t deserve a team, no other NFL team has had as many blackouts & that’s with the lowest ticket prices in the league as well. And the fans are very low class as well.

    ——–

    I honestly don’t know what to say to you, to make you feel as stupid as you should.

  93. ErikW65 says: Nov 2, 2011 11:34 PM

    “If the Vikes have to move, Minnesota won’t be getting another NFL team. ”

    LOL, who says the Vikes have to move? Wilf says they’ll play in the Metrodome in ’12 if they get public financing for his new place in MN.

    Which stadium are they moving in to exactly? San Antonio where Zygi does not own property surrounding the stadium? Don’t think so.

  94. spikeit2times says: Nov 2, 2011 11:50 PM

    So the State (MN) wants to play chicken?! I propose the Vikes deal NOW, with whom ever the powers that be, to play 3 home games in L.A. in 2012, 3 games in Toronto, and 2 in London. Take “Minnesota” out of the team name and replace it with “NFL”. Make the ‘NFL Vikings’ a traveling team in 2012, then see how serious MN is. If they still want to play chicken, by all means leave this undeserving State.

    Minnesota doesn’t deserve the Vikings at this point. 10 years of “trying”?! And still nothing?! The Vikings deserve better after putting up with it this long.

  95. usedtool says: Nov 3, 2011 12:15 AM

    Comparing what a MN team can afford with a New York team is apples and oranges. A good example would be the difference between seat and luxury site prices are at Yankee Stadium vs Target Field. Compare PSLs, Seat Prices and Suite prices (not to mention parking) between the New York stadium and the Metrodome. There is no comparison.

    Minnesota has had ten years to figure this out. If I’m the Vikings management, I’m already taking bids from moving companies.

    BTW: I’m a lifelong Vikings fan who has come to believe Minnesota doesn’t deserve and NFL franchise.

  96. lionsftw says: Nov 3, 2011 12:21 AM

    No! no! no! The fans in Minny deserve a football team. I wish an owner would do the decent and honorable thing and just foot the damn bill themselves instead of passing the buck onto the people who support the team financially in the first place. I still do not understand why the middle class need to line billionaires pockets. Say what about them but Im so grateful that the Ford family owns the Lions knowing they wouldn’t move the team. DON’T BREAK UP THE NFC NORTH! (regionally)

  97. tatennant says: Nov 3, 2011 2:10 AM

    I am from eastern South Dakota. This part of the country bleeds purple. Do minnesota lawmakers realize that if they dont pass a deal and the Vikings move, the revenue that the Vikings BRING IN to the state will be gone? Nevermind the Twins and the Wild (of which I am a fan as well), but football is where the money is at. Look at what Target field turned into? Its beautiful! I would have to think that investing now in a new stadium would only bring in further revenue in the future.

  98. brewdogg says: Nov 3, 2011 2:13 AM

    blueandsilverforever says:
    Nov 2, 2011 8:28 PM
    Maybe I am confused. Fans are mad that the state blocked a tax hike that people don’t get to vote on?

    So basically what that says to me, is that non vikings fans want a say in whether or not there is a tax hike. I am going to assume the public at large will say no, which is why they want to push through a non vote ref.

    Democracy is good unless your sports team might move away?
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    No, it’s a problem of hypocrisy. How often is a tax increase or a spending decision given a public vote? Did they ask the public if they approved fixing the Guthrie? Did they ask if the public thought it was a good time to spend a couple hundred million to spruce up the capital building? Does the voting public get to decide whether companies get tax breaks to operate in the state?

    How about a vote on this one…. Dayton proposed changing the state income tax requirements to include prorated portions for those who live in the state for a minimum of 60 days per year, as opposed to 6 months as it stands now. This measure was expected to raise an additional $15 million per year. It was voted down by the legislature. How about putting that up for the residents of Minnesota to vote on? I know what to do with that $15 million/year…….

  99. brewdogg says: Nov 3, 2011 2:30 AM

    pack13queens0 says:
    Nov 2, 2011 10:44 PM

    “Let me get this straight. You want us to show sympathy for the worst fans in the NFL?”

    I would hope you would want to….you’re one of them. I’m not talking about Packer fans as a whole, I’m talking about you.

    “Minnesota doesn’t deserve a team, no other NFL team has had as many blackouts & that’s with the lowest ticket prices in the league as well.”

    I would argue with you, but it’s obvious that facts are not welcome in a discussion with you. After all, you seem to discount the 20 teams that have a lower average ticket price than the Vikings….

    “And the fans are very low class as well.”

    Some Muslims consider Americans barbaric for eating the flesh of pigs. Meanwhile, it is socially acceptable to stone to death a rape victim. With that in mind, maybe you will be able to connect the dots when I say:

    I’ll take that as a compliment.

  100. brewdogg says: Nov 3, 2011 2:55 AM

    On a side note….. the state could pay for the whole stadium by imposing a .5% pay cut (for those bad at math, that’s $5 for every $1,000) on each full-time state employee.

    Whoa!! That’s too much!! For some poor teacher making $30,000/year, that’s $150!!!

    Right…. So, since state employees are only 6.5% of the residents of the state, and the state is only paying a third of the stadium, the tax imposition spread to all residents would be….what now?

    I understand that a dollar is a dollar, and that a lot of people have a problem with paying for a professional sports arena (although funding for a non-professional sports arena doesn’t seem to incur near the outrage), but let’s be real. This is not financial doom for the people of Minnesota. Would you be up in arms if your property taxes went up $5? Maybe… Would you even notice if the tax on your resturaunt bill went from 7.5% to 7.6%? Probably not. This is the level we are talking about. $300 million is a lot of money. $16.7 million/year is a lot of money. The state already runs through $35.8 BILLION of your money every year. If you really feel that you deserve a voice in whether your money is spent on this, why don’t you insist on getting a vote on the rest of it?

  101. brewdogg says: Nov 3, 2011 3:04 AM

    gb4mn0 says:
    Nov 2, 2011 8:39 PM
    To bad, so sad, looks more and more like no Lombardi for you lavender baboons to jump around and celebrate with like the tardos you are and rub it in the face of the Pack faithful
    ———————————-

    Hmmmm…… Given the name you have chose to hide behind on here, this sounds awfully hypocritical. Not that I expect anything less from someone who seems to think “lavender” is going to get us all lathered up.

    Do the world a favor. Crawl out of mommy’s basement (quietly, so your stepdad doesn’t beat you again) and go try that stupid lie-in-the-middle-of-the-road thing. You’d make a good speed bump. You certainly don’t seem to have any other use…..

  102. woodyg says: Nov 3, 2011 3:51 AM

    -

    ‘Na Na Na Na. Na Na Na Na. Hey Hey Hey. Goodbye’

    -

  103. 2ruefan says: Nov 3, 2011 4:42 AM

    bmue42 –
    Regarding your genius posting:

    1) Since you could “care less” about the Vikings… I guess that means you COULD care? The expression is “I could NOT care less”..

    2) Regardless of your useless opinion on the value of their rivalry, they are in fact the GREATEST rival of the Packers in the Division and also the team that has consistently outperformed the Packers over the years in terms of actual Modern Day success in terms of Division championships, etc.

    So go on being a provocative idiot. It worked. You pissed all the Vikings fans off.

    Which I’m sure is your goal.

  104. blackbug99 says: Nov 3, 2011 7:43 AM

    dontouchmyjunk says:
    Nov 2, 2011 8:36 PM
    The Minnesota Lakers moved to LA. Ever seen a lake in Los Angeles?
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    Their rivers don’t even have water! And, unless it’s a round ball, they aren’t coming out to watch football!!

  105. jimmysee says: Nov 3, 2011 8:04 AM

    How about building an outdoor stadium in Eau Claire, WI.

    Not so far from the Twin Cities.

    Lots of room for tailgating.

    Escapes all the MN legislative bull.

    WI benefits from the economic activity the team generates.

    If the Jints and Jets can play in New Jersey, the Vikes can play in WI.

    Two teams for WI!

  106. ike1973 says: Nov 3, 2011 8:21 AM

    Please don’t any one say Toronto again as a possible site for a Vikings move. I’m a Canadian Vikes fan and the thought of my favorite football team in Toronto is really painful. I hate anything involved in Toronto sports as do most clear thinking Canadian fans especially those of us in Western Canada. Please Vikings, stay in Minnesota where you have a great history of exciting teams.

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    Sorry but Toronto is the sports capital of Canada. Deal with it. I’d welcome the vikes in a heartbeat. It’s the rioting west coasters that are the problem with Canadian sports.

  107. fwippel says: Nov 3, 2011 8:22 AM

    A couple of things:

    First, Zygi Wilf has done everything in his power to work with the state and keep the Vikings here. He’s offered $400 million of his own money for a stadium, whereas starting January 1, he’s likely to get multiple offers from other cities that will require far less, if any, of his money to build a new stadium.

    What’s Wilf supposed to do then, tell them ‘No, thanks. I’d rather stay in Minnesota and sign a new lease on an outdated stadium that doesn’t generated NFL-level profits, and hope that the state eventually wants to take my $400 million to help build a new stadium.”? I wouldn’t blame Wilf for leaving, but if that happens, I can’t wait to hear the whining from the state politicians over lost revenue, followed by a strong movement to build a new stadium to attract another team.

    Second, I’m surprised at the number of Packer fans posting here to belittle Viking fans; the Packer fans I know are better people than that. You fellas need to get a life.

  108. ike1973 says: Nov 3, 2011 8:35 AM

    hillzmickelzon says: Nov 2, 2011 7:56 PM

    Now all we need is to have Ponder find him an actress & its a done deal.. But we need a name LA??
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    Isn’t Kim Kardasshian available again??? lol

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    He said actress, not no talent hack

  109. das14 says: Nov 3, 2011 8:53 AM

    Just another example of how the MN Legislature is not representing the people. State Shutdown recently for record time. Now they can’t get this done. I can’t wait to vote.

  110. purplehayseuss says: Nov 3, 2011 9:25 AM

    bmue42 :

    Thanks for putting neatly into a small package (yours) all the reasons that the rest of Packers fans get a bad reputation. Champions or not, your attitude and words make you a bastard.

    I thought Packers Faithful were proud of their “Truth, Justice and Green Bay” take on all things football. They proclaim Honor and Righteousness over Minny in all things because the Vikings haven’t won any Super Bowls; But they are generally pretty fair about it.

    You have to be awake and conscious to type here, so you don’t have the excuse of being drunk. You can’t claim that someone else took a fat Sharpie and wrote “I’m A Dick” on your face.

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