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Oliver Luck thinks it’s “stupid” for fans to think teams will “Suck for Luck”

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Like Giants quarterback Eli Manning, the first pick in the 2004 draft, Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck has a father who played pro football.  Though Oliver Luck, former West Virginia quarterback and current Athletics Director in Morgantown, didn’t enjoy the same success as Archie Manning, the elder Luck spent half a decade as an NFL quarterback.

In a Thursday interview with SiriusXM Mad Dog Radio, Oliver Luck addressed the concept of teams intentionally losing to land the rights to his son, a practice that has become known as “Suck for Luck.”

“I think it’s just stupid,” Oliver Luck said, firing off the last word with a strong hint of contempt in his voice.  “You know, I played for five years in the NFL, and I never have seen a player take a play off, because these guys are playing for their livelihoods.  And the coaches are coaching for their livelihood.  And I absolutely think it’s stupid that fans would believe a team intentionally lose a game.”

But as the 2011 season unfolds, it’s becoming apparent that any sucking for Luck won’t be overt.  Teams that are playing badly will stay the course, with the Dolphins sticking with quarterback Matt Moore and coach Tony Sparano, and the Colts keeping quarterback Curtis Painter and coach Jim Caldwell.

The players never have to know that any affirmative effort to not win games is occurring.  The coaches don’t have to know, either.  Instead, if ownership and the front office choose to do nothing to reverse the fortunes of a very bad team, the team presumably will remain (you guessed it) very bad.

With Colts owner Jim Irsay already talking about drafting Andrew Luck and with the organization knowing very well what it’s like to have a franchise quarterback and, as they learned pre-1998 and in 2011, to not have a franchise quarterback, it’s hardly stupid to think that Irsay and Bill Polian have decided that nothing will be done to try to shake up the roster or the coaching staff in the hopes of winning a few games.

That’s how the slide to the bottom is going to happen.  The folks who ultimately run the teams that are sliding will get out of the way, quietly rooting for the season to come to rest at a spot that delivers the first pick in the draft.

That’s anything but stupid.  Given that a guy like Andrew Luck will make a team competitive for a decade or longer, it’s brilliant.

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57 Responses to “Oliver Luck thinks it’s “stupid” for fans to think teams will “Suck for Luck””
  1. billinva says: Nov 3, 2011 5:22 PM

    Stephen Ross might disagree.

  2. jessieboom says: Nov 3, 2011 5:23 PM

    Again, NOBODY thinks teams will intentionally tank…its just a way for fans of crap teams to deal with a lost season, and they have every right to do so.

  3. jackdevaney says: Nov 3, 2011 5:24 PM

    “Suck for Luck” isn’t as stupid as the average wvu student. If you don’t believe me, ask Marvin Lewis.

  4. vexey says: Nov 3, 2011 5:25 PM

    I’m starting to feel bad for the kid. It’s going to be near impossible for him to live up to the hype, no matter how good he is

  5. p01ntman says: Nov 3, 2011 5:25 PM

    If its soo stupid then I would like to hear Andrew Luck say “I will play for what ever team drafts me and will not force them to trade me.”

  6. scrotiemcb says: Nov 3, 2011 5:28 PM

    That’s rich, the idea that Miami sticking with Moore and Indy with Painter is evidence that FO’s are staying out of the way and letting their teams fail, that is. Because we all know that there exists a magic tree out there, where midseason QB upgrades can be harvested at will.

    I sometimes wonder if you just don’t think things through very well or if, in fact, you are intentionally shameless.

  7. revofev88 says: Nov 3, 2011 5:28 PM

    I get that it’s stupid to THINK teams will suck for Luck. But it’s understandable for fans of teams that are going absolutely nowhere this year, to hope their teams lose anyway possible for a better draft spot. We get it… it’s the players jobs to kill it every time their on the field but until they get a lottery or something, fans will continue to hope their teams lose what are pointless games since their team is going nowhere so they can get an elite QB prospect to lead them to the playoffs next year.

    These teams can all end the talk to if they actually won a game. Funny how that works.

  8. sphincterorleaveher says: Nov 3, 2011 5:30 PM

    I REALLY hope Andrew stays in college one more year.

    What then, Resuck for Luck?

  9. cliffordc05 says: Nov 3, 2011 5:31 PM

    I have watched Luck for the past few years and agree that he is a superior talent. He is better than Aaron Rogers was at this point. But I did not see that much difference between Barkley and Luck last Saturday night to think that Barkley does not have the ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl. The same probably holds true for Jones and Tannehill.

  10. greenpacker says: Nov 3, 2011 5:31 PM

    Oliver Luck also thinks its “stupid” for people to think Obama’s birth certificate is legit

  11. cowboyhater says: Nov 3, 2011 5:31 PM

    SUCK FOR LUCK!!

  12. bullcharger says: Nov 3, 2011 5:34 PM

    Oliver Luck is stupid for thinking that. Look at the Colts success with Manning over the last decade. A great player at the most important position really matters. Peyton generated millions and millions in revenue for Irsay. It’s definitely worth one year of sucking if you could get another player like that. Of course Luck may not be that kind of player once he starts taking snaps, so there is a massive risk there. However, there’s almost no other way to get a player like that unless you get extremely lucky with a pick and get the next Montana or Brady.

    Players won’t intentionally lose, but teams can install game plans that are not great, and put guys on IR that maybe could play at somepoint in the season, etc. Without the proper coaching and GM support, most teams could have a putrid record pretty quickly.

  13. redguy12588 says: Nov 3, 2011 5:34 PM

    The dolphins deserve the first overall pick. What the colts are doing is d

  14. mcnabbulous says: Nov 3, 2011 5:34 PM

    He is missing the point. The teams are not sucking on purpose. They just suck while they are trying their hardest.

  15. redguy12588 says: Nov 3, 2011 5:34 PM

    The dolphins deserve the first overall pick. What the colts are doing is disgraceful

  16. fthrvic says: Nov 3, 2011 5:38 PM

    Has Oliver Luck not seen his kid play? And has he also not seen the need for a quality QB for about half the teams in the NFL?

  17. NoWearMan says: Nov 3, 2011 5:44 PM

    What is REALLY stupid is that Ollie says that he played in the NFL for FIVE years when he really only played FOUR.

    Ollie, you ain’t no Archie.

    Dig it.

  18. zappa69 says: Nov 3, 2011 5:44 PM

    My favorite team after the Vikes is whomever is playing the Packers. With that said, it’s about winning and having a great front office. Win, win, draft right, cut felons, and don’t let anyone think they are bigger than the TEAM. Screw you GB and your first class organization. Go Vikes!!

  19. trollhammer20 says: Nov 3, 2011 5:58 PM

    The gist that I get from this post seem to be that if teams don’t take every single step they can to improve – even if it means firing the coach and undergoing wholesale personnel changes in the middle of a season – that they are deliberately tanking the season.

    Really? I can’t recall too many situations where a coach being fired during the season has resulted in the team suddenly turning around and making the playoffs. In fact, make that “never”.

    I also fail to recall any players who are signed off the street at this time of year making any kind of significant contribution to a playoff run. Can think of a few guys signed off the street late in the season who made the playoffs, but they were more filler than anything else – and certainly were not responsible for a team’s change of fortunes. This is quadruply true if you’re talking about QBs.

    While in some cases bad coaching is incredibly obvious – see Mike Singletary as an example, Niners were horrible last year with him, and now, with pretty much the exact same players are 6-1 – how can you be so sure that the lack of talent on the Dolphins or Colts isn’t the real reason for them being bad this year? The Colts were built around a superstar franchise QB, and clearly aren’t the same team without him. If I recall clearly, they went out at the last moment and signed a veteran QB, which was about the best they could do under the circumstances (short of talking Favre out of retirement…thankfully, they did not).

    The Dolphins have came into the season with Henne and Matt Moore instead of drafting or acquiring a different FA QB….was it their intention to “Suck for Luck” as far back as the offseason?

    If you perhaps had a short list of available QBs who are capable of turning the situations in Indy and Miami around, your argument would be stronger. The problem is, if such players existed, they’d be on someone else’s roster already.

  20. packfaninchitown says: Nov 3, 2011 5:58 PM

    The Lions were the first 0-16 team in NFL history. This season the NFL could realistically have TWO 0-16 teams.

    How exactly does one determine the number one draft pick for two 0-16 teams? Lesser points scored?

    To date the Colts have scored 121 points and Miami has scored 107 (Colts have not had their bye). So imagine both teams go 0-16 and the Dolphins wind up scoring more points than the Colts and wind up with the number two pick.

    They could potentially lose out on Luck either due to Indy choosing him or another team trading up AND have the humiliation of an 0-16 season to boot.

    That would totally Suck to NOT get Luck as well…

    Fans NEED something to hope for, stop criticizing them for trying to find something positive to take out of this season…

  21. contract says: Nov 3, 2011 6:05 PM

    Archie Manning enjoyed success?

  22. someidiotfromouthereintheprojects says: Nov 3, 2011 6:05 PM

    Luck is gonna have to be really, really good to ever outshine the hype they are feeding into…if he isn’t great immediately the fans and media are gonna roast him. if cam newton pulled that kind of garbage the media would’ve drilled him. hell the media drilled him anyway based on rumors. these people want red carpet for this guy. that’s hogwash. 2011’s “worst class of qbs” already constitute part of the better half of the nfl qbs. this guy will have to be real good, real fast. he won’t be as good as cam…he may not ever be as good as dalton or ponder either, those guys are far real too. his nfl career isn’t even near its beginning and it’s already starting to look questionable.

  23. Deb says: Nov 3, 2011 6:06 PM

    If both the Colts and Dolphins go 0-16, it will come down to a coin toss. I’d hate to think either team would deliberately suck … but especially not for just a 50/50 shot at an unproven QB.

  24. thefiesty1 says: Nov 3, 2011 6:07 PM

    Obviously, it’s the coaching in both cases for the first pick. If either Indy or Miami end up with the first pick, both Caldwell and Saprano have to go. Otherwise, taking Luck won’t change their fortunes unless Manning heals and then Caldwell should STILL go.

  25. Deb says: Nov 3, 2011 6:10 PM

    @packfaninchitown …

    Unless the rules have changed, the first pick for two teams with the same record is determined by a coin toss. When Pittsburgh and Chicago had the same sorry record for the 1970 draft, Dan Rooney and Ed McCaskey met with Pete Rozelle for the coin toss. Dan deferred to Ed for the call, and Ed called heads. It came up tails, the Steelers took Bradshaw … and the rest, as they say, is history.

  26. laeaglefan says: Nov 3, 2011 6:10 PM

    Granted, I don’t follow college football, but I can’t understand why this Andrew Luck guy is being touted as the next coming of Peyton Manning before he ever plays a down in the NFL. He may turn out to be the next coming of Ryan Leaf!

  27. earthtopft says: Nov 3, 2011 6:17 PM

    Myeehh….West Virginia Banjo Boy inherited his looks from his Dad and his quarterbacking skill from his Mom. WAY overrated.

  28. earthtopft says: Nov 3, 2011 6:19 PM

    To emphasize the point Ollie made one of the best “stupid faces” anyone has seen in years.

  29. buckybadger says: Nov 3, 2011 6:21 PM

    Oliver is right. Only the media brings up this stupid notion that teams will tank to get a college player. No one is going to tank their performance so they can get a college kid. They are all fighting for their jobs year in and year out. On a losing team EVERYONE is evaluated and you don’t want to tell the next regime that you where failing on the field because you wanted to “Suck for Luck”.

  30. petehemlock says: Nov 3, 2011 6:44 PM

    I watch the kid play and I think he looks slow. I think it was Flava Flav who once said, “Don’t believe the hype.” He’s not even in the league yet and the guy’s already Cam Tebow.

  31. drmobert19 says: Nov 3, 2011 6:57 PM

    So if it is “stupid” to think that teams will Suck for Luck but your owner (Stephen Ross) is indeed stupid, wouldn’t it make sense that he would in fact Suck for Luck???

  32. steelerchicken says: Nov 3, 2011 6:58 PM

    There should be a note after every luck story. He can stay in college for one more year!!!!!!

  33. croghan1919 says: Nov 3, 2011 7:01 PM

    If Luck had a different last name the media would get absolutely ZERO milage out of these stories.

  34. pacash80 says: Nov 3, 2011 7:14 PM

    If no one was “sucking for Luck”, then the Miami Dolphins would have fired Tony Sparano by now.

  35. snarkzilla says: Nov 3, 2011 7:36 PM

    I would lay money that the players and coaches of the supposed “Suck for Luck” teams have added a word that rhymes to the beginning of that sentence.

  36. silverhornet says: Nov 3, 2011 7:46 PM

    Thumbs up if you’re a Miami fan. Thumbs down if you’re a Colts fan.

  37. goforthanddie says: Nov 3, 2011 7:55 PM

    Any team starting Curtis Painter isn’t trying very hard to win.

  38. touchdownroddywhite says: Nov 3, 2011 7:55 PM

    It’s crazy until you think about Peyton Manning advising Luck to stay in college another year and then all of the sudden missing the season with the Colts winless at the mid season point… Just sayin’…

  39. packfaninchitown says: Nov 3, 2011 7:58 PM

    Deb says:

    @packfaninchitown …

    Unless the rules have changed, the first pick for two teams with the same record is determined by a coin toss. When Pittsburgh and Chicago had the same sorry record for the 1970 draft, Dan Rooney and Ed McCaskey met with Pete Rozelle for the coin toss. Dan deferred to Ed for the call, and Ed called heads. It came up tails, the Steelers took Bradshaw … and the rest, as they say, is history.

    Ah okay I must be getting confused with the formulas they have for the playoffs. Thanks for the clarification!

  40. phinfan says: Nov 3, 2011 8:02 PM

    Can you guys stop making this dude out like hes the next Elway. My god, I hope he’s this good because I will be the first person rooting for the number 2 & 3 guys in the draft (Jones? Barkley?) to make it big. Personally with the fins luck Andrew would suck and the media will write for 10-20 years how bad the Andrew Suck deal was for Miami. So I’d rather just see Jones or Barkley, less risk, less hype more rewards if they do become big.

  41. phinfan says: Nov 3, 2011 8:06 PM

    How exactly does one determine the number one draft pick for two 0-16 teams? Lesser points scored?

    —-

    God I hope its Most Points allowed in 4th QTR… then It would be Miami fo-show!

  42. qdog112 says: Nov 3, 2011 8:07 PM

    Oliver Luck is no dummy. He knows that all these fans and “experts” are setting his son up a a colossal failure.

    If he doesn’t come close to expectations, he will get lambasted. Andrew is a very good – not great QB. After you get off the floor, google Luck’s highlights. You’ll be amazed at how many of his passes are for 5-7 yards. Hardly anything to write home about. His down the field throws of 20 or more are lobbed and not on a line. His aerial bombs are routinely short and are jump balls or ints. He is a good athlete with good footwork, who keeps plays alive and runs well.

    The main thing you should look for is how well he throws the 15-20 yd “out pattern”. good luck finding any. He has suspect arm strength and does more dinking and dunking, than really spinning it down field.

    Some team is gonna be disappointed. He is not the second coming.

  43. oldhamletman says: Nov 3, 2011 8:41 PM

    1- the league that Olly Luck played in was a completely different animal, different business factors, different coaches, different motivations, and very very different player psychology .

    2- the coach / gm / and or owner can put their thumb on the scale and change things dramatically… it doesn’t take much…. spoiled leadership, ignoring key talent needs, all kinds of stuff…. it doesn’t take a grand conspiracy

    Olly Luck is lost…. he should shut up and wait for the parent support to start rolling in

  44. crazybeardedjack says: Nov 3, 2011 8:56 PM

    I seem to remember another can’t-miss prospect out of the Pac-10. He threw for nearly 4,000 yards and 34 TDs his senior year after throwing for 3,000 and 21 TDs the year before. He got a couple of big rivalry wins and broke his team’s Rose Bowl drought, but fell in a close game to the eventual national champion. He ended up 3rd in the Heisman voting that year. All the “experts” and “analysts” thought he was a sure thing.

    That guy’s name was Ryan Leaf.

  45. croghan1919 says: Nov 3, 2011 9:00 PM

    packfaninchitown says:
    Nov 3, 2011 7:58 PM

    Deb says:

    @packfaninchitown …

    Unless the rules have changed, the first pick for two teams with the same record is determined by a coin toss. When Pittsburgh and Chicago had the same sorry record for the 1970 draft, Dan Rooney and Ed McCaskey met with Pete Rozelle for the coin toss. Dan deferred to Ed for the call, and Ed called heads. It came up tails, the Steelers took Bradshaw … and the rest, as they say, is history.

    Ah okay I must be getting confused with the formulas they have for the playoffs. Thanks for the clarification!
    ——————————————————–

    There’re are other tie breakers that will come into play if it’s down to the Colts and Fins.
    A coin toss is the final tie breaker between non conference teams that are tied.

  46. FinFan68 says: Nov 3, 2011 9:13 PM

    Deb/packfaninchitown, The coin toss you referred to was because the teams were in separate conferences. The Dolphins and Colts are both AFC so it will be similar to the tiebreakers for getting into the playoffs on a WC. The odds of a coin toss settling the tie in this case are pretty slim.

  47. papacrick says: Nov 3, 2011 9:31 PM

    It’s absolutely understandable that teams will suck for Luck and Indy knows better than anybody. Where would the Colts be without that number 1 pick 13 years ago? A team can prosper for years or an entire decade by hitting on a number one pick like that. Nobody will remember the bad season before a decade of dominance. Teams have bad years all the time and why try to scrape together a few wins in a meaningless season and risk the chance of losing out on a once in a generation prospect? Ya think the 97′ Chargers would be upset if they lost one more game that year and got a crack at Manning? I think not

  48. tatum064 says: Nov 3, 2011 10:03 PM

    sphincterorleaveher says:
    Nov 3, 2011 5:30 PM
    I REALLY hope Andrew stays in college one more year.

    What then, Resuck for Luck?

    ================

    Who’d want “sloppy seconds”?

  49. Spencer says: Nov 3, 2011 10:05 PM

    Everyone’s talking about Miami and Indy, but keep an eye on Denver through all this. John Elway himself has made two “scouting” trips to Stanford in the last month alone. He’s desperate.

  50. tatum064 says: Nov 3, 2011 10:07 PM

    earthtopft says:
    Nov 3, 2011 6:17 PM
    Myeehh….West Virginia Banjo Boy inherited his looks from his Dad and his quarterbacking skill from his Mom. WAY overrated.
    ======================
    Obviously you’re talking about Oliver Luck and not Andrew.

    His stats are on par with Elway, and he’s WON more games than he did at Stanford. He may the best QB of this generation and may actually live up to the hype.

  51. turtlehut says: Nov 3, 2011 10:23 PM

    Why saying the Colts would throw games to obtain an advantage in the draft is as crazy as saying the 14-0 Colts would tank games and not pursue a perfect record because they thought it would give them an advantage in the playoffs

  52. turtlehut says: Nov 3, 2011 10:36 PM

    “There’re are other tie breakers that will come into play if it’s down to the Colts and Fins.
    “A coin toss is the final tie breaker between non conference teams that are tied.”

    Since the Colts and Fins are in the AFC first tie breaker is strength of schedule, then if they both were to win a game divisional and conference records

  53. lostsok says: Nov 3, 2011 10:56 PM

    The upside for the bad teams this year is that Suck for Jones and Suck for Barkley, while lacking in alliteration, are still fine results. All three of those guys may be better than any QB coming out since at least Matt Ryan, if not Rivers/Big Ben.

    Miami made the right choice passing on Mallett and the 2nd tier guys. They need a franchise QB, and this is the year that happens.

    If they take a CB (i.e., Fletcher over Brees) or a WR/KR (Ginn) I will kill myself. Period.

  54. ckinsa says: Nov 4, 2011 12:17 AM

    one thing i havent seen discussed, is what if andrew luck does not come out in the draft…i checked standfords site and he is a redshirt junior, so he could return for college for another year…now wouldnt that make all thisdebate moot

  55. xlcapncrunchlx says: Nov 4, 2011 1:40 AM

    who names their kid Oliver Luck??? Honestly

  56. dolphincritic says: Nov 4, 2011 10:45 AM

    The Dolpjins and the Colts have problems that go way beyond a need at QB. The Dolphins are rotten from the head down. The Colts have gotten old and brittle. Andrew Luck is an important piece to the puzzle because good QB’s are so hard to find. Both teams have bargain basement backups who prove that you get what you pay for.

    The great things about the NFL is the fact that personal rules allow a team to Improve quickly! The suck for Luck thing is just a way for fans to cope with really bad season. Dolfans have suffered with incompetency for years. A kind word from Oliver Luck would be nice. It is in his son’s best interest if he came to the reality that he is going to play for a bad team that is rebuilding. I am sure Luck wants to play for the Niners but I doubt if they will give up their draft for 1 Player. Trading the pick could have major repercussions, too. Only time will tell.

  57. Deb says: Nov 4, 2011 2:37 PM

    Thanks to those who set me straight on the coin toss applying to teams from different conferences after other factors have come into play.

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