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	<title>Comments on: Clay Matthews doesn&#8217;t fault refs who make mistakes</title>
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		<title>By: footballrulz</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing Clay’s unoffical lead in an unofficial statistical category. Lack of sack production is indicative of Clay being a step slow. Gee, I wonder why Samson lost his speed?

In related bogus categoris only Packer fans keep track of, Charles Woodson leads the league in the number of tackles made using only his left hand…BJ Raji leads the league in cheeseburgers eaten at halftime, blah blah blah.
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Hey Habib--I just picked this up @ nfl.com--I don;t think thay are all Packer fans,.
» Clay Matthews is being scrutinized by some because his sack totals are down, but he leads the NFL in combined QB knockdowns and hurries (19.5), ahead of league sack leader Jared Allen (18).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing Clay’s unoffical lead in an unofficial statistical category. Lack of sack production is indicative of Clay being a step slow. Gee, I wonder why Samson lost his speed?</p>
<p>In related bogus categoris only Packer fans keep track of, Charles Woodson leads the league in the number of tackles made using only his left hand…BJ Raji leads the league in cheeseburgers eaten at halftime, blah blah blah.<br />
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Hey Habib&#8211;I just picked this up @ nfl.com&#8211;I don;t think thay are all Packer fans,.<br />
» Clay Matthews is being scrutinized by some because his sack totals are down, but he leads the NFL in combined QB knockdowns and hurries (19.5), ahead of league sack leader Jared Allen (18).</p>
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		<title>By: packerbacker12</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 06:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You Viking fans can call us Packer fans &quot;loud, obnoxious low-lifes&quot; but at least we support our team unlike you Viking losers. And there was a clear example a few weeks ago last Sunday. That stadium was so empty of Viking fans later in the game, I could hear a &quot;Go Pack Go&quot; chant going on in the background. And it wasn&#039;t like the Vikings were getting blown out. They were clearly in contention but I guess that wasn&#039;t good enough for you idiots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Viking fans can call us Packer fans &#8220;loud, obnoxious low-lifes&#8221; but at least we support our team unlike you Viking losers. And there was a clear example a few weeks ago last Sunday. That stadium was so empty of Viking fans later in the game, I could hear a &#8220;Go Pack Go&#8221; chant going on in the background. And it wasn&#8217;t like the Vikings were getting blown out. They were clearly in contention but I guess that wasn&#8217;t good enough for you idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: houndog50</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 03:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[captaintriumph says: Nov 4, 2011 3:27 PM
Sure it was a lousy call. I’ve always wished that refs would swallow their whistles instead of making bogus calls, even if it means missing some calls. Missing a call is far better than making a wrong call IMO. That being said, what’s the big deal??? Meaningless game. Didn’t affect outcome. So who cares. It’s not like 2 years ago when the Vikings literally got cheated out of the Super Bowl.
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captaintriumph, you&#039;re right, you were totally cheated and robbed of a SB appearance, no question about it. Favre robbed you blind and cheated you out of a SB just by being himself, a beat-up, downtrodden has-been that throws more picks than touchdowns in big games. Just what the hell were you expecting, Aaron Rodgers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>captaintriumph says: Nov 4, 2011 3:27 PM<br />
Sure it was a lousy call. I’ve always wished that refs would swallow their whistles instead of making bogus calls, even if it means missing some calls. Missing a call is far better than making a wrong call IMO. That being said, what’s the big deal??? Meaningless game. Didn’t affect outcome. So who cares. It’s not like 2 years ago when the Vikings literally got cheated out of the Super Bowl.<br />
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captaintriumph, you&#8217;re right, you were totally cheated and robbed of a SB appearance, no question about it. Favre robbed you blind and cheated you out of a SB just by being himself, a beat-up, downtrodden has-been that throws more picks than touchdowns in big games. Just what the hell were you expecting, Aaron Rodgers?</p>
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		<title>By: smoothjimmyapollo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 03:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t it weird how Paul Hargis jumps in and starts arguing kibawib&#039;s points and when that happens, kibawib disappears.  It&#039;s like how Clark Kent disappears when Superman shows up only Superman and Kent are not complete tools unlike the other guy using two names.  Quick, sign in as Pervy Harvin and you can get the trifecta.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it weird how Paul Hargis jumps in and starts arguing kibawib&#8217;s points and when that happens, kibawib disappears.  It&#8217;s like how Clark Kent disappears when Superman shows up only Superman and Kent are not complete tools unlike the other guy using two names.  Quick, sign in as Pervy Harvin and you can get the trifecta.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Gerbschmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl Gerbschmidt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 03:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Phantom Stranger says:
Nov 4, 2011 3:06 PM
Last year, Matthews would have flown into a rage over this incident. This year, he’s cool and calm. Just sayin’.

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Are you? Are you just saying? Why don&#039;t you focus more on your Stud QB of the Future with his 77.5 PR and let the Claymaker worry about himself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Phantom Stranger says:<br />
Nov 4, 2011 3:06 PM<br />
Last year, Matthews would have flown into a rage over this incident. This year, he’s cool and calm. Just sayin’.</p>
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<p>Are you? Are you just saying? Why don&#8217;t you focus more on your Stud QB of the Future with his 77.5 PR and let the Claymaker worry about himself.</p>
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		<title>By: packfan1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 02:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[comparing Allen and Wares sacks like that to Clays is naive.  The difference is those teams are getting pressure from other guys on the line, the Packers just arnt right now.  All of a teams attention is to 52.  The film dont lie.  Watch sound effects of other teams sideline &#039;whatever we do, were stopping 52&#039;.  Its notlike its a myth, 52 is accounted for every play..poeple that know football know hes a difference maker and hes really the one and only front 5 priority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comparing Allen and Wares sacks like that to Clays is naive.  The difference is those teams are getting pressure from other guys on the line, the Packers just arnt right now.  All of a teams attention is to 52.  The film dont lie.  Watch sound effects of other teams sideline &#8216;whatever we do, were stopping 52&#8242;.  Its notlike its a myth, 52 is accounted for every play..poeple that know football know hes a difference maker and hes really the one and only front 5 priority.</p>
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		<title>By: snarkzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[snarkzilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 02:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kibawib, paulhargis, percyharvin wherever you are:

Congrats. You&#039;re tied for first for the longest waiting period for a Super Bowl championship.  Skol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kibawib, paulhargis, percyharvin wherever you are:</p>
<p>Congrats. You&#8217;re tied for first for the longest waiting period for a Super Bowl championship.  Skol.</p>
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		<title>By: snarkzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[snarkzilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 01:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and congratulations again for spending $40 million on The Ol&#039; Gunslinger.  No wonder he loves Minnesota.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and congratulations again for spending $40 million on The Ol&#8217; Gunslinger.  No wonder he loves Minnesota.</p>
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		<title>By: snarkzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[snarkzilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 01:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;….until it costs them their perfect season.

The perfect season this year = winning XLVI.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;….until it costs them their perfect season.</p>
<p>The perfect season this year = winning XLVI.</p>
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		<title>By: snarkzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[snarkzilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 01:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... unless you&#039;d rather wear the thongs, that is.  I can have either sent to you direct from Green Bay.

You like doing research. Perhaps you can do some research into what sort of personality disorder causes Vikings fans to OCD in such a clearly malignant way about the Green Bay Packers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; unless you&#8217;d rather wear the thongs, that is.  I can have either sent to you direct from Green Bay.</p>
<p>You like doing research. Perhaps you can do some research into what sort of personality disorder causes Vikings fans to OCD in such a clearly malignant way about the Green Bay Packers.</p>
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		<title>By: snarkzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[snarkzilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 01:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[paulharghis had to go back to 1974 for a snappy comeback about a Packer draftee.  Talk about OCD.

Post your address, pal. I&#039;d be more than happy to send you some XL Packer panties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulharghis had to go back to 1974 for a snappy comeback about a Packer draftee.  Talk about OCD.</p>
<p>Post your address, pal. I&#8217;d be more than happy to send you some XL Packer panties.</p>
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		<title>By: TheDPR</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 01:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Officials should never throw a flag just because they *think* an infraction occurred.  They should only call the penalty if they&#039;re absolutely certain.  Otherwise, just let them play.

Would you rather see your team screwed over by a non-call or by a wrong call?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Officials should never throw a flag just because they *think* an infraction occurred.  They should only call the penalty if they&#8217;re absolutely certain.  Otherwise, just let them play.</p>
<p>Would you rather see your team screwed over by a non-call or by a wrong call?</p>
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		<title>By: december77</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 23:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And even when the referee’s judgment is wrong, Matthews isn’t going to make a big deal out of it.&quot;

....until it costs them their perfect season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And even when the referee’s judgment is wrong, Matthews isn’t going to make a big deal out of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;.until it costs them their perfect season.</p>
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		<title>By: jrmbadger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 22:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;paulharghis says: 
Nov 4, 2011 5:50 PM 
snarkzilla says:
Nov 4, 2011 4:33 PM
I’d trade you 4 fan arrests and 3 ejections out of a crowd of 75,000 for a starting CB who pulled a gun on someone and then tried to kill his girlfriend with his hands. But I’m not a Vikes fan, so I won’t.

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I’d trade you a starting CB who pulled a gun on someone and then triedd to kill his GF with his hands for the I-5 killer.

Check out Randall Woodfield on Google.

Maybe you should check out if your team has had a serial killer on thier roster before you jump on a guy that has commited an assault?

Nah, that wouldn’t be hypocritical, we all know the Packer fan base is the most hypocritical in all of pro sports.&quot;

Woodfield was cut by the Packers prior to his killing spree.  Your players seem to get in trouble while ON the team.  Then again, I&#039;m sure we wouldn&#039;t want to look up &quot;Mossy Cade&quot; would we?  You know the Aunteater who was signed by the Vikings AFTER his crime and then had to be released because of the public outcry.

Do a google for &quot;Vikings most arrests&quot; and see what comes up.  Turns out your team is the most arrested team with 36 arrests since 2000.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;paulharghis says:<br />
Nov 4, 2011 5:50 PM<br />
snarkzilla says:<br />
Nov 4, 2011 4:33 PM<br />
I’d trade you 4 fan arrests and 3 ejections out of a crowd of 75,000 for a starting CB who pulled a gun on someone and then tried to kill his girlfriend with his hands. But I’m not a Vikes fan, so I won’t.</p>
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I’d trade you a starting CB who pulled a gun on someone and then triedd to kill his GF with his hands for the I-5 killer.</p>
<p>Check out Randall Woodfield on Google.</p>
<p>Maybe you should check out if your team has had a serial killer on thier roster before you jump on a guy that has commited an assault?</p>
<p>Nah, that wouldn’t be hypocritical, we all know the Packer fan base is the most hypocritical in all of pro sports.&#8221;</p>
<p>Woodfield was cut by the Packers prior to his killing spree.  Your players seem to get in trouble while ON the team.  Then again, I&#8217;m sure we wouldn&#8217;t want to look up &#8220;Mossy Cade&#8221; would we?  You know the Aunteater who was signed by the Vikings AFTER his crime and then had to be released because of the public outcry.</p>
<p>Do a google for &#8220;Vikings most arrests&#8221; and see what comes up.  Turns out your team is the most arrested team with 36 arrests since 2000.</p>
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		<title>By: jrmbadger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 22:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;paulharghis says: 
Nov 4, 2011 6:04 PM &quot;

Using one or two examples where fan behavior was a bit boorish still doesn&#039;t establish that Packer fans are not generally &quot;classy&quot; (I hate that word, but whatever).  You are cherry picking a couple of events and assuming that it represents the average Packer fan behavior. 

Even assuming the average arrest rate is somewhere above 4 arrests as the article above implies, are you going to make the claim that 6 or even 7 arrests proves the point that the other 73,121 fans are somehow not &quot;classy&quot; people?  Yeah, we get it.  You&#039;ve managed to prove the point that every team&#039;s fans have some idiots.  Congratulations Captain Obvious.  Lambeau also hasn&#039;t had a rape in the parking lot (Philadelphia), or mayhem where people were shot (San Fran).  It seems a good deal (from the above info) get kicked out for urinating in the sinks... big deal....  The metrodump has a trough. At least the Pack were &quot;classy&quot; enough to put in real toilets.

Additionally, your average figures don&#039;t take into account the capacity of the stadiums and the fact that Lambeau sells ALL the seats (as opposed to other stadiums that cover their seats to still have a sellout).  Lambeau is just out of the top ten in stadium capacity so it figures that the amount of arrests would be one or two arrests higher than average.

Additionally, the specific game&#039;s arrest figures you cited probably DID include a number of Viking fans.  It was a highly charged atmosphere when Favre came back the first time and Viking fans are not always angels either.

Finally, no where did I say that Packer fans are &quot;extra classy&quot; - my attitude is that they are just like every other NFL team&#039;s fans - lots of good folks, couple of idiots.  But using arrest statistics at games is inaccurate at best .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;paulharghis says:<br />
Nov 4, 2011 6:04 PM &#8221;</p>
<p>Using one or two examples where fan behavior was a bit boorish still doesn&#8217;t establish that Packer fans are not generally &#8220;classy&#8221; (I hate that word, but whatever).  You are cherry picking a couple of events and assuming that it represents the average Packer fan behavior. </p>
<p>Even assuming the average arrest rate is somewhere above 4 arrests as the article above implies, are you going to make the claim that 6 or even 7 arrests proves the point that the other 73,121 fans are somehow not &#8220;classy&#8221; people?  Yeah, we get it.  You&#8217;ve managed to prove the point that every team&#8217;s fans have some idiots.  Congratulations Captain Obvious.  Lambeau also hasn&#8217;t had a rape in the parking lot (Philadelphia), or mayhem where people were shot (San Fran).  It seems a good deal (from the above info) get kicked out for urinating in the sinks&#8230; big deal&#8230;.  The metrodump has a trough. At least the Pack were &#8220;classy&#8221; enough to put in real toilets.</p>
<p>Additionally, your average figures don&#8217;t take into account the capacity of the stadiums and the fact that Lambeau sells ALL the seats (as opposed to other stadiums that cover their seats to still have a sellout).  Lambeau is just out of the top ten in stadium capacity so it figures that the amount of arrests would be one or two arrests higher than average.</p>
<p>Additionally, the specific game&#8217;s arrest figures you cited probably DID include a number of Viking fans.  It was a highly charged atmosphere when Favre came back the first time and Viking fans are not always angels either.</p>
<p>Finally, no where did I say that Packer fans are &#8220;extra classy&#8221; &#8211; my attitude is that they are just like every other NFL team&#8217;s fans &#8211; lots of good folks, couple of idiots.  But using arrest statistics at games is inaccurate at best .</p>
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		<title>By: paulharghis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 22:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jrmbadger says: 
Nov 4, 2011 5:21 PM 
“kibawib says:
Nov 4, 2011 4:18 PM
jrmbadger–”4 arrests out of 75,000 seems pretty low to me and actually cuts against your case that Packer fans aren’t classy fans.”

Really? You must have missed the part about those 4 arrests being the fewest at Lambeau since 2004. Nice work.”

I’m still right. 

In order to properly support your argument that Packer fans aren’t classy by using arrest data at games, you have to provide a baseline (and prove that those arrested are fans of the Packers as opposed to a visiting team). Just saying X arrests at Packer games proves NOTHING until you establish that an average NFL game has Y arrests and that X&gt;Y, and of those arrested all X are fans of the Packers.

Logic Fail on your part.

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By the time the Vikings left Green Bay with a 38-26 victory, some 43 fans had been ejected from the 70,000-seat stadium; an additional 13 were arrested for disorderly conduct or marijuana or alcohol offenses. Leaguewide, teams average about THREE arrests and TWENTY FIVE ejections per game, according to Jeffrey Miller, the NFL&#039;s director of strategic security programs
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No, youre wrong. Using the lowest level stated on this thread of 4- they are still over the average. All others i have seen, are well over the 4.

Proving they aren&#039;t fans of the other team? Cmon, are you really going to stoop to that?!

All we here on this site is how great you fans are and sell out every game- now it&#039;s &quot;prove&quot; that it wasn&#039;t a Packer fan&quot;? get real!

So every visiting teams fans waits to act like idiots until they come to Lambeau? when the league average is 3 arrests and 25 ejections?

How hypocritical can you get? 

It&#039;s comical that you packer fans defend the most inane garbage.
Why do you defend these guys like they are your relatives? 

Face it- this site is a small sampling of the Packer fanbase-loud, inane, obnoxious know nothings.

Add alcohol at lambeau- it&#039;s not suprising the statistics show your fanbase as WELL over the leaugue averages for these to points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jrmbadger says:<br />
Nov 4, 2011 5:21 PM<br />
“kibawib says:<br />
Nov 4, 2011 4:18 PM<br />
jrmbadger–”4 arrests out of 75,000 seems pretty low to me and actually cuts against your case that Packer fans aren’t classy fans.”</p>
<p>Really? You must have missed the part about those 4 arrests being the fewest at Lambeau since 2004. Nice work.”</p>
<p>I’m still right. </p>
<p>In order to properly support your argument that Packer fans aren’t classy by using arrest data at games, you have to provide a baseline (and prove that those arrested are fans of the Packers as opposed to a visiting team). Just saying X arrests at Packer games proves NOTHING until you establish that an average NFL game has Y arrests and that X&gt;Y, and of those arrested all X are fans of the Packers.</p>
<p>Logic Fail on your part.</p>
<p>================================</p>
<p>By the time the Vikings left Green Bay with a 38-26 victory, some 43 fans had been ejected from the 70,000-seat stadium; an additional 13 were arrested for disorderly conduct or marijuana or alcohol offenses. Leaguewide, teams average about THREE arrests and TWENTY FIVE ejections per game, according to Jeffrey Miller, the NFL&#8217;s director of strategic security programs<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
No, youre wrong. Using the lowest level stated on this thread of 4- they are still over the average. All others i have seen, are well over the 4.</p>
<p>Proving they aren&#8217;t fans of the other team? Cmon, are you really going to stoop to that?!</p>
<p>All we here on this site is how great you fans are and sell out every game- now it&#8217;s &#8220;prove&#8221; that it wasn&#8217;t a Packer fan&#8221;? get real!</p>
<p>So every visiting teams fans waits to act like idiots until they come to Lambeau? when the league average is 3 arrests and 25 ejections?</p>
<p>How hypocritical can you get? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s comical that you packer fans defend the most inane garbage.<br />
Why do you defend these guys like they are your relatives? </p>
<p>Face it- this site is a small sampling of the Packer fanbase-loud, inane, obnoxious know nothings.</p>
<p>Add alcohol at lambeau- it&#8217;s not suprising the statistics show your fanbase as WELL over the leaugue averages for these to points.</p>
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		<title>By: paulharghis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[snarkzilla says: 
Nov 4, 2011 4:33 PM 
I’d trade you 4 fan arrests and 3 ejections out of a crowd of 75,000 for a starting CB who pulled a gun on someone and then tried to kill his girlfriend with his hands. But I’m not a Vikes fan, so I won’t.

================================
I&#039;d trade you a starting CB who pulled a gun on someone and then triedd to kill his GF with his hands for the I-5 killer.

Check out Randall Woodfield on Google.


Maybe you should check out if your team has had  a serial killer on thier roster before you jump on a guy that has commited an assault?

Nah, that wouldn&#039;t be hypocritical, we all know the Packer fan base is the most hypocritical in all of pro sports.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snarkzilla says:<br />
Nov 4, 2011 4:33 PM<br />
I’d trade you 4 fan arrests and 3 ejections out of a crowd of 75,000 for a starting CB who pulled a gun on someone and then tried to kill his girlfriend with his hands. But I’m not a Vikes fan, so I won’t.</p>
<p>================================<br />
I&#8217;d trade you a starting CB who pulled a gun on someone and then triedd to kill his GF with his hands for the I-5 killer.</p>
<p>Check out Randall Woodfield on Google.</p>
<p>Maybe you should check out if your team has had  a serial killer on thier roster before you jump on a guy that has commited an assault?</p>
<p>Nah, that wouldn&#8217;t be hypocritical, we all know the Packer fan base is the most hypocritical in all of pro sports.</p>
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		<title>By: fooath</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought lifting and driving the QB into the ground was part of roughing the passer now?]]></description>
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		<title>By: paulharghis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s neither.

Contrary to Packer fans beliefs, there are 100&#039;s of fans on here that can&#039;t stand the Packer fan bs.

Nobody hates the packers, its you idiot fans that make everyone want to vomit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s neither.</p>
<p>Contrary to Packer fans beliefs, there are 100&#8242;s of fans on here that can&#8217;t stand the Packer fan bs.</p>
<p>Nobody hates the packers, its you idiot fans that make everyone want to vomit.</p>
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		<title>By: jrmbadger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So this Viking fan told me today that he has a provision in his will that he wants Viking players to be his pallbearers at his funeral. 

I asked him why he had such a strange request.  

He told me that it was fitting that the Vikings would let him down one last time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this Viking fan told me today that he has a provision in his will that he wants Viking players to be his pallbearers at his funeral. </p>
<p>I asked him why he had such a strange request.  </p>
<p>He told me that it was fitting that the Vikings would let him down one last time.</p>
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		<title>By: gb4ever0811</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s in reference to you, kiawib, just in case you didn&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s in reference to you, kiawib, just in case you didn&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: gb4ever0811</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So &quot;take a shower, hit the weights, get a clue.&quot; Also, &quot;get some facts and come back and see me.&quot; And one more, &quot;What don&#039;t you ____  understand.&quot;


Gotta love Philly radio!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8220;take a shower, hit the weights, get a clue.&#8221; Also, &#8220;get some facts and come back and see me.&#8221; And one more, &#8220;What don&#8217;t you ____  understand.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gotta love Philly radio!</p>
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		<title>By: gb4ever0811</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kiawib:

And Jared Allen has 12.5 sacks, is probably one of only two defenders on the Vikins worth blocking, rushes from the same position (end) on every play, and still has four times as many sacks as Roid Boy. If double and triple teams were the reason for Clay’s paltry sack production, then why do Ware and Allen have 12 sacks? The more obvious explanation? Thigh bruise = no more HGH in Roid Boy.



Your stats are in a vacuum. You&#039;re assuming Matthews is of the same caliber as Allen and Ware. Maybe he is, maybe he isn&#039;t. Plus, he&#039;s been battling that hamstring his entire career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiawib:</p>
<p>And Jared Allen has 12.5 sacks, is probably one of only two defenders on the Vikins worth blocking, rushes from the same position (end) on every play, and still has four times as many sacks as Roid Boy. If double and triple teams were the reason for Clay’s paltry sack production, then why do Ware and Allen have 12 sacks? The more obvious explanation? Thigh bruise = no more HGH in Roid Boy.</p>
<p>Your stats are in a vacuum. You&#8217;re assuming Matthews is of the same caliber as Allen and Ware. Maybe he is, maybe he isn&#8217;t. Plus, he&#8217;s been battling that hamstring his entire career.</p>
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		<title>By: emoney826</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is everyone so damn bitter towards Matthews? What has he done to you to merit so much hate? Until there&#039;s any proof of him testing positive for anything, hes innocent. Just like jared Allen. How can he possibly have so many sacks? It&#039;s gotta be roids. That statement is just as ridiculous as the one about Matthews. I mean, who the hell was jared Allen before making it in the NFL? Nobody. He worked his ass off and look where it got him. Same for Clay.

All of you internet blogging haters would take Matthews on your team anyday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is everyone so damn bitter towards Matthews? What has he done to you to merit so much hate? Until there&#8217;s any proof of him testing positive for anything, hes innocent. Just like jared Allen. How can he possibly have so many sacks? It&#8217;s gotta be roids. That statement is just as ridiculous as the one about Matthews. I mean, who the hell was jared Allen before making it in the NFL? Nobody. He worked his ass off and look where it got him. Same for Clay.</p>
<p>All of you internet blogging haters would take Matthews on your team anyday.</p>
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		<title>By: db105</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s common sense to not make it an issue. It would be like making issue about your food at a restaurant and wonder why you got the extra seasonings when they remade your food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s common sense to not make it an issue. It would be like making issue about your food at a restaurant and wonder why you got the extra seasonings when they remade your food.</p>
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		<title>By: jrmbadger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kibawib, I tried searching for &quot;Viking game arrested&quot; and other variants to try and get some comparisons to see just how many arrests are at a typical NFL game, but I just kept coming up with results dealing with Minnesota Viking PLAYERS being arrested.....

Nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kibawib, I tried searching for &#8220;Viking game arrested&#8221; and other variants to try and get some comparisons to see just how many arrests are at a typical NFL game, but I just kept coming up with results dealing with Minnesota Viking PLAYERS being arrested&#8230;..</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: jrmbadger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jrmbadger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;kibawib says: 
Nov 4, 2011 4:18 PM 
jrmbadger–”4 arrests out of 75,000 seems pretty low to me and actually cuts against your case that Packer fans aren’t classy fans.”

Really? You must have missed the part about those 4 arrests being the fewest at Lambeau since 2004. Nice work.&quot;

I&#039;m still right. 

In order to properly support your argument that Packer fans aren&#039;t classy by using arrest data at games, you have to provide a baseline (and prove that those arrested are fans of the Packers as opposed to a visiting team).  Just saying X arrests at Packer games proves NOTHING until you establish that an average NFL game has Y arrests and that X&gt;Y, and of those arrested all X are fans of the Packers.

Logic Fail on your part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;kibawib says:<br />
Nov 4, 2011 4:18 PM<br />
jrmbadger–”4 arrests out of 75,000 seems pretty low to me and actually cuts against your case that Packer fans aren’t classy fans.”</p>
<p>Really? You must have missed the part about those 4 arrests being the fewest at Lambeau since 2004. Nice work.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still right. </p>
<p>In order to properly support your argument that Packer fans aren&#8217;t classy by using arrest data at games, you have to provide a baseline (and prove that those arrested are fans of the Packers as opposed to a visiting team).  Just saying X arrests at Packer games proves NOTHING until you establish that an average NFL game has Y arrests and that X&gt;Y, and of those arrested all X are fans of the Packers.</p>
<p>Logic Fail on your part.</p>
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		<title>By: boiler72</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Packer Fans have lots of class, it’s all pretty low, but it’s still class.

Pondscum. Great team, embarassingly lowlife fans.

___________________________

Then why are you the one banging your cousin in a double-wide trailer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Packer Fans have lots of class, it’s all pretty low, but it’s still class.</p>
<p>Pondscum. Great team, embarassingly lowlife fans.</p>
<p>___________________________</p>
<p>Then why are you the one banging your cousin in a double-wide trailer?</p>
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		<title>By: kibawib</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kibawib]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mypackersownyourteam--&quot;And furthermore, female traits.&quot;

Female traits...like men relieving themselves in sinks, or using the women&#039;s restroom?  Again, Green Bay has the market cornered on that unique (to Wisconsin) cultural trend: 

&quot;Police took eleven people to jail and arrested and ejected dozens more during the Packers&#039; win over Miami at Lambeau Field. 

Police Captain Lisa Sterr says most of the arrests were for urinating in sinks in stadium restrooms. 

She says some of the football fans committed the offense even when uniformed police officers were present.&quot;

Bwahahahahahaha!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mypackersownyourteam&#8211;&#8221;And furthermore, female traits.&#8221;</p>
<p>Female traits&#8230;like men relieving themselves in sinks, or using the women&#8217;s restroom?  Again, Green Bay has the market cornered on that unique (to Wisconsin) cultural trend: </p>
<p>&#8220;Police took eleven people to jail and arrested and ejected dozens more during the Packers&#8217; win over Miami at Lambeau Field. </p>
<p>Police Captain Lisa Sterr says most of the arrests were for urinating in sinks in stadium restrooms. </p>
<p>She says some of the football fans committed the offense even when uniformed police officers were present.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bwahahahahahaha!</p>
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		<title>By: kibawib</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kibawib]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[smoothjimmyapollo--&quot;If stats only matter if kibawib declare them official, then there’s really no purpose to websites like profootballreference.com....&quot;

An excellent point!  Only one problem, though, if you check profootballreference.com, they don&#039;t keep track of the number of hurries/pressures Matthews (or any other player) &#039;records.&#039;  Why?  Because it&#039;s an unofficial stat.  Thanks for playing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smoothjimmyapollo&#8211;&#8221;If stats only matter if kibawib declare them official, then there’s really no purpose to websites like profootballreference.com&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>An excellent point!  Only one problem, though, if you check profootballreference.com, they don&#8217;t keep track of the number of hurries/pressures Matthews (or any other player) &#8216;records.&#8217;  Why?  Because it&#8217;s an unofficial stat.  Thanks for playing.</p>
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