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Fox: Option has been done in NFL, but not “at level we did it”

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Broncos coach John Fox said Monday that Tim Tebow’s performance against the Raiders was his best outing of the year.

We agree; it wasn’t even close.  It was also necessary for Tebow to play better in order to keep his job.  Broncos executive John Elway confirmed as much.

“If we’d have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change,” Elway told Vic Lombardi and Gary Miller on 102.3 via the Denver Post.

Elway told Jim Rome that Tebow’s status as a starter will be a week-to-week decision.  But he was encouraged by Tebow’s performance.

“I think [Tebow’s completion percentage] has to get higher,” Elway said. “I don’t think you can win consistently throwing 50 percent. [But] Tim made some really good throws yesterday.”

Tebow made a few good throws from the pocket Sunday. More importantly, the Broncos’ running game was nearly unstoppable. The Broncos used a read-option play in previous Tebow starts, but they did it more effectively against Oakland.

“It [the option] has kind of been done [in the NFL], but maybe not at the level we did,” coach John Fox said via MaxDenver.com. “[It's] asking a lot not just of Tim, but entire offense . . . we’ve kind of grown it as we’ve grown with Tim.”

The Panthers have used similar concepts this year with Cam Newton, but they still rely more on the passing game.

Fox and running back Willis McGahee stressed Monday that the passing game will have to get better for the read-option to remain effective.  That will be the challenge this week in Kansas City.

McGahee’s tough running all year has quietly helped keep the Broncos offense afloat.  He’s ninth in the league in rushing despite missing a game.

(And now is a convenient time to mention McGahee was on PFT Live Monday.)

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44 Responses to “Fox: Option has been done in NFL, but not “at level we did it””
  1. anhdazman says: Nov 7, 2011 3:16 PM

    IT WAS only the Raiders….

  2. Broncofanatic7 says: Nov 7, 2011 3:20 PM

    296 yards rushing… yeah I’d say it worked!
    Go Broncos!!
    Best team effort I’ve seen from them in a long time!

  3. freedomispopular says: Nov 7, 2011 3:21 PM

    Wow, imagine that…trying to fit a round peg into a round hole instead of a square hole actually works? No way!

  4. narrabeen23 says: Nov 7, 2011 3:21 PM

    Remember how “Jaaaash Freeman just wins football games!”?

    How bout some headlines like “Tim Tebow just wins football games!”

    team is 2-1 under tebow and 1-4 under orton, that is all that matters.

  5. tomcan8 says: Nov 7, 2011 3:26 PM

    If he was standing on the beach there would still only be a 50% chance he throws it into the ocean.

  6. sedcontra97 says: Nov 7, 2011 3:35 PM

    No crazy comeback this week, and no blowout either. This seems to have resulted in a substantially diminished amount of Tebow talk. Thank goodness.

  7. finsfan71 says: Nov 7, 2011 3:40 PM

    Ok Denver, have fun with your option offense. Why don’t you go back to the leather helmets while you’re at it?

  8. nomoreseasontix says: Nov 7, 2011 3:46 PM

    They won’t keep seeing a Chuck Bresnahan/UFL defense, so don’t get too happy….

  9. granadafan says: Nov 7, 2011 3:48 PM

    Not a Tebow fan whatsoever, but I do enjoy seeing different offenses in the NFL taking advantage of the different QB skills. The college game is much more innovative in offenses and defenses. Yes, they often have massive talent disparities, especially in speed, but that’s the beauty of the college coaches to try and see what works. More and more college programs are going towards the spread and the QBs are often unprepared for the pro style offenses in the NFL.

    It’s the NFL that ought to evolve to the new type of players coming out of their only source for players.

  10. kh221 says: Nov 7, 2011 3:49 PM

    Worked this past week, but teams are going to adjust. Tebow is still a terrible passer and not likely to succeed over the long-term.

  11. Patriot42 says: Nov 7, 2011 3:51 PM

    You never know what team you will face when you play the Chiefs, either the giant killer or a resemblance of the local high school football team. Cassel is so unpredictable that he changes two or three times during a game. The defense pass rush is also unpredictable as Hali is the only weapon on the line so if they can double up on him or get handled like Long did Tebow could have a huge day against the Chiefs.

  12. snarkzilla says: Nov 7, 2011 3:59 PM

    What? No comments yet from bitter 2-6 Carolina fans about how Fox is too rigid to be a coach and doesn’t know how to win?

  13. realitypolice says: Nov 7, 2011 3:59 PM

    You know how you know for sure that you stink at QB?

    When you go for 10-21 for 129 yards and people congratulate you on your “great game”.

  14. The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 7, 2011 4:04 PM

    All he does is win.

  15. The Phantom Stranger says: Nov 7, 2011 4:04 PM

    tomcan8 says:
    Nov 7, 2011 3:26 PM
    If he was standing on the beach there would still only be a 50% chance he throws it into the ocean.
    ___________

    But a 100% chance he’s surrounded by women in bikinis.

  16. metalhead65 says: Nov 7, 2011 4:06 PM

    how can the broncos expect him to get better if he is playing week to week? ok you screwd up you are no longer the starter. they just need to say sorry you do not fit in our plans and release him. then he can take his time and find a team willing to give him a real chance and not just somebosy who feels they are stuck with him. find a team willing to fit what he does best while working with him to develop the other skills he needs to play in the league. for somebody whose coach and team president have no faith in he has done a good job. it may not be pretty but the bottom line is he gets the job done. why is it ok for other qb’s not to be perfect as long as their teams win?

  17. packfaninpackland says: Nov 7, 2011 4:07 PM

    Perhaps someone should reminder Elway of how much he sucked his first 11 starts or so in Denver !

    Elway had a stretch of 6 straight losses at one point, had only 7 TD passes (and 14 Int’s) in his first 11 games, and a QB rating of 54.9 in those first 11 games.

    Conversely, Tebow in 5 games as a starter he already has 9 TD passes and 4 Int’s, and has 6 TD passes and just 1 Int. this year.

    This is not to say Tebow will be a great (or even a decent) NFL QB, only that the Broncos are not a very good team, and it may be a learning curve for awhile … as it was with Elway. Geesh.

  18. whodey129 says: Nov 7, 2011 4:14 PM

    Lets give the guy til the end of the year to see where hes at.
    Hes not on the best team and any other young quarterback would get more than a handful of starts to try and improve… Why not Tebow

  19. sports_dude says: Nov 7, 2011 4:17 PM

    Love seeing Tebow ruin Elways dream of getting Luck. Go Tebow, Down with Elway lol

  20. drbob117 says: Nov 7, 2011 4:29 PM

    That was the first decent coaching John Fox has done in a game since 2003 , when he faced the Eagles in the NFC Championship game. Like the guy above said, round hole, round peg, how about that?

  21. autumnwind999 says: Nov 7, 2011 4:42 PM

    Raiders defense saw what happened the week before and figured they could just show up and have a party. They showed no discipline and blew assignments left and right. Totally overconfident an really, really sloppy game by the Raiders D.

    Tebow had one, maybe two nice throws. He was OK. He is great at running that zone option play, but an NFL defense can’t get beat on that and I don’t think it will happen very often.

    Plus, it helps to get a punt return TD with the game tied and 5 minutes to go when one of the coverage unit’s gunners is blatantly blocked in the back in the open field and the other gunner is blatantly held on the play. But it is what it is. Raiders defense deserved to lose that game anyway.

  22. catman72 says: Nov 7, 2011 4:55 PM

    So what is Tebow going to do when teams take the option away from him?

    At a certain point you have to be able to win games with your arm and Tebow can’t.

  23. snarkzilla says: Nov 7, 2011 4:55 PM

    >That was the first decent coaching John Fox has done in a game since 2003

    In 2004, the Panthers suffered major injuries early on, and the Panthers finished the season 7–9.
    2005 11–5.
    2008 12-4. I believe that’s when the FO started the personnel fire sale.

  24. earthtopft says: Nov 7, 2011 5:01 PM

    Tebow has over 500 rushing yards IN 6 NFL STARTS. Seven rushing touchdowns for his career. That is unprecedented at the position in the NFL. No one has even come close to it. Most running backs would kill for those numbers.

    Still, his career passer rating is OVER 80. His winning percentage is .500 as a starter. I don’t think any other Denver QB going back to Elway can say that. His passer rating for the season, (and for his career) is better than ANY OTHER QB FROM THE 2010 DRAFT. Including established starters Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy.

    What’s the beef? The fact that he doesn’t act like all the other recidivist moral degenerates populating NFL rosters, off the field? Media leaks the Tebow hate. Silver! of Yahoo! and Effin Saliva over at Rooterworld are just a couple of the worst offenders.

  25. someidiotfromouthereintheprojects says: Nov 7, 2011 5:14 PM

    snarkzilla says:
    Nov 7, 2011 3:59 PM
    What? No comments yet from bitter 2-6 Carolina fans about how Fox is too rigid to be a coach and doesn’t know how to win?

    you’ve obviously never seen carolina play and missed the 2003 superbowl and know absolutely nothing about carolina or john fox….have you ever watched a down of football in your life? good grief, what a dumbass random off-topic nonsensical non-point you think you’re making.

  26. green41563 says: Nov 7, 2011 5:23 PM

    “I think [Tebow’s completion percentage] has to get higher,” Elway said. “I don’t think you can win consistently throwing 50 percent. . . .”

    _____________________________________

    Elway’s comp % as a first-year starter? 47.5 percent.

  27. snarkzilla says: Nov 7, 2011 5:43 PM

    >know absolutely nothing about carolina or john fox

    Making the 2003 Super Bowl with Delhomme in his second season and losing to the Pats wouldn’t be seen by most fans as not being able to win. Nor would an 11-5 record. The year the FO started tanking the team, Fox went 12-4. Three years ago.

    What’s next, Ron Rivera doesn’t know how to win?

  28. cuda1234 says: Nov 7, 2011 5:46 PM

    So once again, TEBOW won, not the Broncos. And once again it had nothing to do with him completing less than 50% of his passes, nothing to do with Willis McGahee running wild and nothing to do with Eddie Royal’s punt return TD. Apparently Tebow used his magic to “inspire” them to achieve those things. Amazing. Kid completes less than half his passes, team stinks and the media calls the day a success. PLEASE.

  29. earthtopft says: Nov 7, 2011 5:52 PM

    I watched that game. Tebow played as well as you could ask any quarterback to play given the situation. Pumped up Raider team at home, all of his receivers rookies practically, revamped O line with 3 starters in their first or second year.

  30. snarkzilla says: Nov 7, 2011 5:56 PM

    >Elway’s comp % as a first-year starter? 47.5 percent.

    This is Tebow’s second year. It’s possible to learn how to improve NFL quality pass making despite not starting.

  31. lanflfan says: Nov 7, 2011 5:57 PM

    The kid had a good game. There is still a lot of fundamental QB skills he needs to improve, fast. Still way too small a sample size to determine anything yet.

  32. marcsasharc says: Nov 7, 2011 5:57 PM

    the raiders defense is that bad.

  33. raideralex99 says: Nov 7, 2011 6:05 PM

    Hey JaMarcus would actually look like a #1 pick he if played against the Raiders defense … seriously that was a pathetic performace by the Raiders D. They should be ashamed of cashing their paychecks this week.

  34. umbra7 says: Nov 7, 2011 6:58 PM

    “earthtopft says: Nov 7, 2011 5:01 PM

    Tebow has over 500 rushing yards IN 6 NFL STARTS. Seven rushing touchdowns for his career. That is unprecedented at the position in the NFL. No one has even come close to it. Most running backs would kill for those numbers.”

    Michael Vick?

    Tebow has 6.2 rushing average. Vick has 7.2.
    This year, Vick is on pace for 900+ yards and 8.1 average. Tebow is at 7.1.

    Tebow rookie season he played 9 games, ran 43 times for 227 and 5.3 average.

    Vick, played 8, ran 31 tunes for 289 and 9.3 average. His rookie season.

    Though he ran for more TD’s [5 to Vick's 1; plus Tebow is a awesome goal line runner]…Vick has come close, he is the best at it. Tebow is good, but I don’t think you can place him over Vick.

  35. realitypolice says: Nov 7, 2011 7:04 PM

    earthtopft says:
    Nov 7, 2011 5:01 PM
    Tebow has over 500 rushing yards IN 6 NFL STARTS. Seven rushing touchdowns for his career. That is unprecedented at the position in the NFL. No one has even come close to it. Most running backs would kill for those numbers.

    Still, his career passer rating is OVER 80. His winning percentage is .500 as a starter. I don’t think any other Denver QB going back to Elway can say that. His passer rating for the season, (and for his career) is better than ANY OTHER QB FROM THE 2010 DRAFT. Including established starters Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy.
    ==========================

    -Kudos to Tebow for having 500 rushing yards in 6 starts. I didn’t realize he was a running back.

    -Kudos to Tebow for having a QB rating that is higher than other QBs in his draft class that have started FIVE TIMES as many games as he has. Does the term “small sample size” mean anything to you?

    -Kudos to Tebow for recovering that onside kick and forcing that Matt Moore fumble in overtime, the two plays that won the Miami game. Wait. He didn’t make those plays? Hmmm……..

    -Kudos to Tebow for

  36. realitypolice says: Nov 7, 2011 7:10 PM

    I think the Broncos should go back to the wishbone offense.

    3 backs, one tight end, one reciever.

    4 plays- dive right, dive left, option right, option left.

    They’ve already flushed about 75% of their offense down the toilet to accommodate their college QB, why not go all the way?

  37. slickster35 says: Nov 7, 2011 7:14 PM

    Yes, running the wildcat for 4 quarters should be very successful going forward.

    LOL, they’re not going to be playing the fade every week. Some teams have actually NFL caliber coaches on staff. Good luck in the future with all that.

  38. mymorningstory says: Nov 7, 2011 7:25 PM

    Tebow had a great game. Period! But, next week is a different story and honestly I can’t wait to see how he does.

    He is by far one of the most interesting players to watch, Not just because of his skill set – but because of the amount of hatred toward him & how much people don’t want to see him succeed.

    Because of the hate, It has turned me into a Tim Tebow fan.. It’s almost like him vs the NFL

  39. realitypolice says: Nov 7, 2011 7:55 PM

    mymorningstory says:
    Nov 7, 2011 7:25 PM
    Tebow had a great game. Period! But, next week is a different story and honestly I can’t wait to see how he does.
    ===================

    Please list for me all of the other QB’s who had “great games” last week while completing less than half of their passes.

    Go ahead, I’ll wait.

  40. bearsrulepackdrool says: Nov 7, 2011 8:17 PM

    The Phantom Stranger says:
    Nov 7, 2011 4:04 PM
    tomcan8 says:
    Nov 7, 2011 3:26 PM
    If he was standing on the beach there would still only be a 50% chance he throws it into the ocean.
    ___________

    But a 100% chance he’s surrounded by women in bikinis.

    _____________________________

    Also, a 100% chance he STILL leaves a virgin.

  41. mymorningstory says: Nov 7, 2011 8:30 PM

    @realitypolice

    Wow, ok

    Tom Brady had a 75 passer rating, completed 56 percent of his passes. 2 interceptions

    Ryan Fitzpatrick – Completed 50 percent of his passes
    Eli Manning – Went 50 percent
    Matt Cassel – 50- percent
    Big Ben – 54 percent
    Andy Dalton – 53 percent

    was surprised when I looked that up. I Bet Tebow was a top 10 Qb in Passer rating as well – Considering he didn’t have any interceptions.

    Yes, he may have had only 50 percent completion percentage, but go loook at Matty Shaub who went like 60 percent and a int.. Or Tom Brady.

    I don’t wanna do a Tebow battle, because he isn’t (tom brady) but the fact is… a guy stepping in w/ out whole lot of talent around him in the WR position, he did pretty well

  42. donniebmc says: Nov 7, 2011 10:01 PM

    Nothing like some good ole support from the owner…

  43. broncobourque says: Nov 8, 2011 8:26 AM

    @umbra7

    Yes, Mike Vick has done this before but do you remember Vick facing similar backlash when he was playing a similar game to what Tebow is doing now?

    Mike Vick was drafted 1st overall and has signed 2 $100M plus contracts in his career because he can offer you so much with his legs and teams have trouble playing him because of that. Vince Young also had similar success early in his career after being drafted 3rd overall, I think he was around 9-3 in his first season starting.

    Maybe Tebow will be a bust in the long run, maybe he won’t but if you look at recent history teams can have some success letting running QBs play to their strengths. Young and Vick both actually struggled more in Atlanta and Tennessee when coaches tried to force them to be pocket passers.

    Why not at least try to play a spread option offense and ride it as long as you can? No team has ever trully stuck with it long enough to see if it will work. I would even go as far as getting backup QBs with similar skillsets to cover against the greater likelyhood of injury. If it doesn’t work, what have you really lost?

  44. tatatoothy says: Nov 8, 2011 9:21 AM

    If Tebow gets the Broncos to 9 wins, does his style really matter? He’s a nightmare for defenses to gameplan for … what he needs now is an offensive coaching staff that can gameplan for him.

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