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Jim Schwarz: Dirty label is better than the alternative

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Lions coach Jim Schwartz has heard all the stuff about how his team is dirty, the accusations that his players take cheap shots and taunt injured opponents, that he made a mockery of good sportsmanship through his handshake-turned-confrontation with Jim Harbaugh.

And Schwartz says that, all things considered, he’d rather be known as a nasty team than the opposite.

It’s better than the alternative — meekest, least aggressive, softest team in the NFL,” Schwartz told the Detroit News. “People are entitled to their opinion. If you try to fight that, you’re gonna be miserable in this business. Whatever the perception is, whatever people think of us, that doesn’t mean anything to us.”

I doubt there are any Lions fans who disagree with that sentiment. If the Lions gain a reputation as the dirtiest team in the league, that’s a lot better than the well-earned reputation they had for the last decade as the worst team in the league.

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56 Responses to “Jim Schwarz: Dirty label is better than the alternative”
  1. moseszd says: Nov 7, 2011 12:39 PM

    You can be tough without being a punk. Schwartz hasn’t learned that yet. I don’t think he ever will.

    Plus, being a punk has a tendency to come back on you. Especially in the NFL.

  2. ticalcaldwell says: Nov 7, 2011 12:40 PM

    I love people who call Suh dirty….He is a D tackle…It is the dirtiest place to play…The only way to become great at this position is become an animal….Can anyone name a great D tackle that is caring and respectful out there on the field…… I can’t

  3. suhnum1fan says: Nov 7, 2011 12:42 PM

    At least spell the guy’s name correctly, Jim Schwartz…C’mon man

  4. transam7816 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:43 PM

    They shouldn’t care if they’re dirty. W’s are all that matter

  5. 49faithful says: Nov 7, 2011 12:44 PM

    Alternative being a bunch of whining losers?

  6. alwaters9 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:45 PM

    mosesz, being an idiot seems to be what is coming back on you.

  7. tinbender2000 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:45 PM

    The Patriots have been known as one of the best teams for quite some time, I don’t think there’s a team out there that looks forward to playing them. They’re not known as one of the dirtiest either. Schwartz, you’re logic’s flawed.

  8. snarkzilla says: Nov 7, 2011 12:46 PM

    “… meekest, least aggressive, softest” doesn’t = the opposite of dirty and perhaps the coach and Suh ought to pay attention to what Warren Sapp had to say last week.

  9. renmasters says: Nov 7, 2011 12:46 PM

    Swartz is smart and certainly has the capacity to learn you can be tough without being a punk. To take Detroit from the weakest team in the league to a contender isn’t something that is going to look “pretty” the whole time. Some of the time you need a nasty and dirty along the way. For the Lions it’s about time.

  10. finsfan71 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:46 PM

    May the Schwarz be with you.

  11. inbillwetrust says: Nov 7, 2011 12:47 PM

    OK so lemme get this straight… the patriots are 5-3, the 2nd best record in the afc and it is the end of the world for us.. this is why its so great to be a pats fan. we expect perfection. there is plenty of time left and if they beat the jets sunday then what? :)

  12. Dr. Kronner says: Nov 7, 2011 12:49 PM

    They aren’t dirty. This is a total misconception. It’s already been proved that the “taunting injured players” was bull. This is just a media creation.

  13. swellbuilt says: Nov 7, 2011 12:49 PM

    Better than having integrity, eh?

  14. sixteenando says: Nov 7, 2011 12:56 PM

    Just win, Baby!!!

  15. concussionlikesympton says: Nov 7, 2011 12:57 PM

    “Whatever the perception is, whatever people think of us, that doesn’t mean anything to us.”

    ———————————–

    Really? If that is the case then why did you and Suh go to New York and plead with the NFL leadership to stop “perceiving” you as dirty cheap shot artists?

  16. razsan says: Nov 7, 2011 1:00 PM

    moseszd said:

    Seriously dude??? You know Schwartz so well that you can make that comment???
    And you know SOOOO much about the NFL that “being a punk has a tendency…”
    The NFL is a tough sport played by tough men who aren’t exactlty playing to be fair…it goes on in every game by every team.

  17. sbxxix says: Nov 7, 2011 1:03 PM

    Or you can be like the 49ers and play hard, tough, nasty yet clean football and represent your team the right way the way harbaugh does… Oh yeah btw dirty teams, as they call you guys, usually don’t have coaches that cry about a handshake and a pat in the back. The team may not be soft but the coach sure is.

  18. gb4mn0 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:05 PM

    With Schwartz acknowledging his approval of the “dirty” label isn’t he throwing a sequined king blanket sized red flag up in front of the officials? He’ll only have his cranial sewer hole to blame if his squad gets flagged for ticky tacky PFs and unsportsmanlike penalties that change the game in their opponents favor.

  19. lks311 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:05 PM

    I keep looking for evidence that this Lions’ team is any worst/dirtier than any other team in the league—especially after watching the Steelers and Ravens go at it last night. I think it’s more that the 98 lb. weakling developed a backbone and none of the big boys like having one less kid who will gladly fork over their lunch money.

    If you’re looking for a word to describe these new Lions—try Unapologetic.

  20. bodester says: Nov 7, 2011 1:05 PM

    They are a hard-nosed football team. Physical and intimidating. What’s wrong with that?

  21. jdandcoke says: Nov 7, 2011 1:10 PM

    the lions are young and stupid right now; they are feeling a little full of themselves even though they have yet to accomplish anything. going from an annual joke of a franchise into all of a sudden playing decent football for the first time in decades will do that to a young team and an inexperienced coach. assuming that they are actually for real, you’ll probably see less and less of this amateur behavior over the next few seasons while they mature as a team.

    then again, they may become the nfc version of the jets.

  22. firethorn1001 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:11 PM

    Modern teams with hot headed emotional leaders seem to burn out quickly in the NFL nor have long periods of sustained success.

  23. rajbais says: Nov 7, 2011 1:12 PM

    He’s right! That’s how they’ll win!

  24. lks311 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:13 PM

    sbxxix says:
    Nov 7, 2011 1:03 PM
    Or you can be like the 49ers and play hard, tough, nasty yet clean football and represent your team the right way the way harbaugh does… Oh yeah btw dirty teams, as they call you guys, usually don’t have coaches that cry about a handshake and a pat in the back. The team may not be soft but the coach sure is.
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    First of all, Harbaugh has been accused of being a jerk by no less critic than the Michigan Wolverine fan base. Second, that was no pat. Win or lose, if Schwartz allows him to get away with that shove, he’s going to have problems in his locker room. The Niners are a nice story, but so are the Lions. And I don’t think either team gives a crap about what everyone else thinks of them.

  25. donl517 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:19 PM

    He did not say they were a dirty team, just there is no point in worrying about or trying to fight the perception they are. People are going to believe what they want, say what they want, and do what the want. If he spends all day fighting that, when does he have time to coach.

    He can’t do anything about it, so why worry about it?

  26. donl517 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:22 PM

    Another thing, besides a couple of roughing the passer calls on Suh, in the last two seasons, where is the proof they are dirty? There is none. It is just a perception, brought on by the media highlighting a few plays.

  27. otissor says: Nov 7, 2011 1:27 PM

    I am so sick of this overrated Lions team. Win some games and their bandwagon fans and annoying players and coaches start talking like they’re superbowl champs. Once a Lions always a lion…which means they’ll always be losers.

  28. r8rsfan says: Nov 7, 2011 1:31 PM

    Being labeled as a dirty team hasn’t helped the Raiders. And it takes alot longer to get rid of the title than it does to gain it. Watch the PF against Curry on Tebow in the 4th quarter. That was a reputation call.

  29. comeonnowguys says: Nov 7, 2011 1:31 PM

    Well, duh, being labeled “dirty” is of course way better than being labelled the “HOLD ME BACK, BRO!!!” guy.

  30. rmc1995 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:32 PM

    @tinbender – The Patriots aren’t known for being dirty? I guess if you dont count Rodney Harrison, Brandon Merriweather, their offensive line, Albert Haynesworrh, questionable contact during playoff games against colts the receivers, and illegal video taping you’d be right.

  31. narrabeen23 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:34 PM

    he’s got a point

  32. thebarishigh says: Nov 7, 2011 1:37 PM

    The Patriots have been known as one of the best teams for quite some time, I don’t think there’s a team out there that looks forward to playing them. They’re not known as one of the dirtiest either. Schwartz, you’re logic’s flawed.

    _____________________________________

    Yeah, let’s use the team that was fined the league maximum for cheating and had to forfeit their 1st round pick as the model of a classy franchise. Haha

  33. dublindemonszfl says: Nov 7, 2011 1:42 PM

    Like the only team in the league to loose money! I bet Schwartzy would hate that.

  34. sonic8us says: Nov 7, 2011 1:43 PM

    It’s called football. Anyone think Dick Butkis or Mean Joe Green were punks? Not to mention that what goes on “under the pile” in probably every game is unsavory. It is a game of men played by men with bad intention…always has been always will be. That should be understood. If you don’t like it, perhaps a new pair of panties will make you feel better.

  35. gallaghedj311 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:47 PM

    I don’t know who referenced the patriots as one of the beat teams who has never had a reputation for being dirty……. Please see Rodney harrisons reputation. PLUS! Belichek has been caught cheating 4 times! Spygate – 1 putting non injured players on IR in order to protect them from practice squad – 2. Using players on IR during practice – 3. And most recently, bill paying cash to players out of his pocket. I don’t know why belicheat is still allowed to be associated with the NFL, but let’s not anoint Bill an the pats as some shining example of honesty and integrity

  36. mactank1 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:58 PM

    I’d rather for the Lions to be called nasty then to be a punch line for Jay Leno.

  37. funkylovemonkey says: Nov 7, 2011 2:00 PM

    I think it’s hilarious that he thinks the only two options are being dirty or meek. That tells you all you need to know about the Lions and the way Schwartz is coaching this team.

    Way to signal to the officials you want special attention from here on out.

  38. whatchutalkinabouthillis says: Nov 7, 2011 2:09 PM

    “Only a Sith deals in absolutes” All hail Darth Schwartz!

  39. Soulman45 says: Nov 7, 2011 2:18 PM

    THE GREAT DETROIT LIONS on their way to the SUPER BOWL
    21- 17 LION WIN

  40. kiopta1 says: Nov 7, 2011 2:20 PM

    Go Lions! Bye weeks leave me sad.

  41. earthtopft says: Nov 7, 2011 2:25 PM

    Shwartz figures it’s better to be called “dirty” than the alternative. Which in his case is “dorky looking little Down Syndrome guy”.

  42. uberniner says: Nov 7, 2011 2:52 PM

    ticalcaldwell:

    “Can anyone name a great D tackle that is caring and respectful out there on the field…… I can’t”

    How about Justin Smith?

  43. m2karateman says: Nov 7, 2011 3:05 PM

    So, what I can take from some of these comments is that everyone wanted the Lions to remain the “nice guys” who were guaranteed wins for your respective teams if Detroit faced them?

    Tough. Wins are what matters in the NFL, and to the fans. The Lions are winning, and some of you just can’t accept it. Go get therapy.

    The Lions are called dirty, that doesn’t mean they are. Atlanta’s two whining fools were proven to be out and out LIARS. The Lions don’t play the game any differently than any of the teams out there. The same people on here saying that the Lions are dirty are the same ones complaining that the NFL is being made soft by Roger Goodell.

    Pick a freakin’ side already.

  44. centralchamps says: Nov 7, 2011 3:22 PM

    Doesn’t matter what people think.. fact is the Lions are finally winning some football games! for the last decade they have been bad and now they compete each week… As a Lions fan since birth (or at least as long as i can remember) it only excites me when people bash the team.. can you say “RELEVANT”

  45. wingz101 says: Nov 7, 2011 3:33 PM

    Niner fans make me laugh.

    The game came down to one play. Before that they benefitted from being on the right side of some atrocious officiating which incuded giving them an extra 5 yards after a punt.

    Once they hit the playoffs and the top teams shut down Frank Gore, if Gore isn’t IR’s by then, the Niners and their fans will have to deal with Alex Smith being the go-to-guy … might as well surrender during the coin flip. Nothing you 49er chumps say can take that pain away.

    And Niner fans know that if Smith was a Lion, he’d be the third stringer being Shaun Hill …

  46. theysone says: Nov 7, 2011 3:43 PM

    I love how the Lions players, “scrappy-doo” Schwartz, and the fan base embraces the rough, tough, dirty reputation, yet scrappy-doo goes through the roof over a firm handshake and pat on the bat.

  47. theysone says: Nov 7, 2011 3:47 PM

    berniner says: Nov 7, 2011 2:52 PM

    ticalcaldwell:

    “Can anyone name a great D tackle that is caring and respectful out there on the field…… I can’t”

    How about Justin Smith?
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    Facepalm. Smith is a DE. Should’ve gone with Bryant Young. Class-act and all-pro when he was playing.

  48. johngaltwho says: Nov 7, 2011 3:51 PM

    Cant blame him – That’s a Detroit mentality – fits the city, fits the fanbase. You can give thumbs down all ya want and lecture about overgeneralization but its sad but true. The prevalent culture in Detroit is – in your face over the top intimidation. Thats fine when its the football team doing it – they’ll pay the price – they will inevitably be beaten by a just as tough but disciplined team that takes advantage of all the stupid penalties amassed in the name of toughness but when the fanbase thinks that being tough and crass and intimidating to opposing fans is part of the culture – is acceptable even desirable behavior then you cross over into the world of pathetic and classless… so I stand by it – it’s a Detroit mentality.

  49. 989lions says: Nov 7, 2011 3:52 PM

    on another note…”caring and respectful” are two qualities a great DT must absolutely have…he must be able to collapse the pocket on sheer friendliness alone and stop the run with his overwhelming respect to the ball carrier

  50. Andy says: Nov 7, 2011 5:45 PM

    “otissor says: Nov 7, 2011 1:27 PM

    I am so sick of this overrated Lions team. Win some games and their bandwagon fans and annoying players and coaches start talking like they’re superbowl champs. Once a Lions always a lion…which means they’ll always be losers.”

    I read this as: “I am so sick of tired of this suddenly good Lions team that seems like it might be for real. After these wins their fanbase seems confident and won’t allow people to make them the butt of old jokes anymore and neither will the players. I am so scared they’re for real and my team (probably Vikes or Bears) thus will lose two guaranteed wins per season. Now I’ll throw in a throwaway line that sounds profound, but makes little to no sense and make it gramatically incorrect, inconsistent and add some dots and say they’ll always be losers even though I know they’ll probably beat my team for years now, in hopes of that making me feel better.”

    Also, who cares, the Lions aren’t especially dirty, but if they were, well I’d rather have them be dirty and good than meek and bad.

  51. thousandcasts says: Nov 7, 2011 5:58 PM

    People whining about hard, aggressive football is what happens when Dungeons and Dragons dorks move out of their mom’s basement and discover Fantasy Football as a replacement.

    Guess what dorks…this is what happens when men play real football on a real football field. Bad things happen, tempers flair, personal fouls get called. It happens in college, it happens in the NFL.

    The Lions will be the first ones to say that they haven’t won anything yet, but that doesn’t mean they’re the same team that’s gonna get pushed around and take it. Detroit has team that actually has some real football players on it. Deal with it…or don’t. Either way, start a D & D revival and leave the sport of football to actual fans who not only understand the physical nature of the game, but LIKE it.

  52. staffordsyear says: Nov 7, 2011 7:15 PM

    6-2.

  53. sonic8us says: Nov 7, 2011 7:29 PM

    Did somebody just compare the persona of the Lions to the people of Detroit? How ignorant can one be? If anyone has lived there you know exactly how inaccurate thate statement is. It’s football. Oh, b
    y the way, how many of the players and coaching staff were born and raised in Detroit?

  54. adirtyplayernamedsue says: Nov 7, 2011 8:03 PM

    Obviously the problem starts with little schwartzy. Their a joke anyway.

  55. gamewarrior405 says: Nov 7, 2011 8:30 PM

    Show me video of the Lions playing dirty. Sapp shouldn’t talk at all. I remember when he blind-sided Packer guard Clifton and then was laughing about it. Most of the people who are complaining about the Lions playing dirty are the same people who support Goodell’s attempt to turn the NFL into Powder-puff games. There is nothing dirty about the Lions, and if you have a DL on your team who could tear a QB in half, you wouldn’t want him watched more for penalties than any other player.

    Look at the 49ers/Lions game. 3 uncalled penalties committed by the 49ers on ONE play. Maybe in the referees would do their job instead of focusing on one player, the Lions might get a game with quality officiating instead of the garbage calls they have been getting.

  56. odds75to1 says: Nov 8, 2011 11:24 AM

    staffordsyear says: Nov 7, 2011 7:15 PM

    6-2.

    thumbs up: 6 thumbs down: 2

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I was going to give it a thumbs up, but seriously that is perfect!

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