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The Patriots dynasty is over again

Tracy White, Jake Ballard AP

The Patriots have lost back-to-back games for the third time since 2003.  That means it’s time to declare the Patriots dynasty over for the 35th time since 2005.

“Sunday is how dynasties end: with small broken pieces, not large ones,” Ron Borges of the Boston Herald writes.

The paper’s headline Monday morning: “Not so great anymore.”

Borges larger point is about talent eroding in New England.  He has a point there, but we also heard the Patriots dynasty was over when the Colts came back to beat New England after the 2006 season.

It was definitely over when the Ravens beat the Patriots in the playoffs after the 2009 season, and it was over again when the Jets beat the Patriots in January.

If Jake Ballard didn’t make an incredible catch on New York’s game-winning drive Sunday, we’d hear how the Patriots are starting to win close games in the clutch just like during their title years.  If the Patriots win a playoff game or two this year, perhaps the dynasty will be back on again.

In the meantime, it’s worth remembering the Patriots only have eight players on their roster that played in the Super Bowl against the Giants. The core of any team is “over” after a few years. The connection to the three title teams is tenuous at best beyond Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.

This is a good, not great Patriots team that has serious flaws but can beat any team. That’s going to be true for the entire AFC playoff field; we doubt there will be a clear favorite.

Perhaps this is the year the Patriots won’t finish in at least a tie for first place for the first time since 2000.  Maybe it will stop being a big deal at some point when the team loses two straight games.

When people stop declaring the Patriots dynasty over after every loss, then we’ll know the franchise has really fallen on hard times.

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  1. dbellina says: Nov 7, 2011 11:05 AM

    Oh boo hop I’m crying because my teams dynasty is over. Try being a Vikings fan if you want to know what real disappoint is like.

  2. joetoronto says: Nov 7, 2011 11:07 AM

    Come on, Gregg. A blind man could see that the Patriots are all Tom Brady and nothing more.

    Brutal drafts and no veteran leadership, just headcases.

    It was a hell of a run, but their time is up.

  3. benh999 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:09 AM

    Ron Borges is still alive?

  4. Soulman45 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:10 AM

    Frist to say
    Sure it over THE GREAT DETROIT LIONS is the team to beat in the NFL.

  5. bmue42 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:11 AM

    The Green Bay Packers have no problem taking over, thank you very much, you had a nice run tho

  6. dukemarc says: Nov 7, 2011 11:11 AM

    Seriously who can talk about a Dynasty with this team? They haven’t won anything important in 4 years and even that season is considered a failure because they didn’t win the Super Bowl.

  7. devouredbychaos says: Nov 7, 2011 11:12 AM

    Time to make a phone call to our old pal Moss. They desperately need a legit deep threat to get the dink and dunk going once again. The defense played better this week..but as a die hard Pats fan, I think a loss is in store again next week unless Brady can light a fire under everyone like he did after last years loss to the Browns.

  8. pfii63 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:12 AM

    “This is a good, not great Patriots team that has serious flaws but can beat any team. That’s going to be true for the entire AFC playoff field; we doubt there will be a clear favorite.”

    ————————————————–

    1. That quote hit the nail on the head.

    2. Borges is a talentless tool.

    3. That being said, something is rotten in Foxboro. They are not making the little plays (like playing pass instead of play action) that make the difference in close games. We need more veteran leadership on this roster and we need to quit passing on solid defensive talents in the first round of every draft in order to get “value” players. Belichick’s “gut” is a good indicator of talent but should not override our entire scouting system.

  9. Andre's Johnson says: Nov 7, 2011 11:13 AM

    The Patriots, Colts, and Steelers pretty much owned the 00’s. I think none of them will own the 10’s.

  10. sterilizecromartie says: Nov 7, 2011 11:15 AM

    The Patriots have lost back-to-back games for the third time since 2003. That means it’s time to declare the Patriots dynasty over for the 35th time since 2005.
    ———
    I assume you are speaking from a Boston native’s perspective. Only they would be that overdramatic.

  11. greendreams6 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:16 AM

    The Patriots will not win a SUperbowl with this team. The defense is pure trash. As someone mentioned earlier, its all Brady & Welker and not much else. They really should rid themselves of Ochocinco if they were smart but they wont. Patriots lose to the Jets next Sunday night.

  12. olcap says: Nov 7, 2011 11:17 AM

    Uh, to be considered a dynasty still, wouldn’t they have had to win a super bowl in the past 8 seasons?

  13. cmack21 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:17 AM

    The Patriots WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS! IF they do it will be a 6th seed and be one and done…. again.

  14. cfmaguire9 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:17 AM

    Ron Borges writes the same article every week about the Pats being awful. This is not news.

  15. japdouds says: Nov 7, 2011 11:23 AM

    2004 was SEVEN LONG YEARS AGO! Should we be debating if the 90’s Cowboys dynasty is over yet too?

  16. hardpeaches says: Nov 7, 2011 11:24 AM

    “Perhaps this is the year the Patriots won’t finish in at least a tie for first place for the first time since 2000. ”

    This is wrong.

    In 2008 the Patriots did not finish for a tie for first place. In fact, they didn’t even make the playoffs because the Dolphins won the division. Sure, they had the same record but that’s not making the playoffs surely means they finished at least second.

  17. zeusteej says: Nov 7, 2011 11:25 AM

    Boston fans and writers are a bunch of gluttonous whiners. There are a lot of NFL teams that would love to have their FO/personnel.

  18. nyjalleffingday says: Nov 7, 2011 11:25 AM

    The Giants killed it, the Ravens made the coffin and the Jets nailed it closed. We knew this already.

  19. dolphindad says: Nov 7, 2011 11:25 AM

    what dynasty? they haven’t won the superbowl since the 2004 season.

  20. wamj2008 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:25 AM

    Aaron Rodgers is better in real life than he is in Madden!

  21. blackqbwhiterb says: Nov 7, 2011 11:26 AM

    I thought Brady looked inaccurate yesterday, not normal for Tom Brady. But anyhow, so if you go 14-2 and the next year you’re 5-3, the dynasty is over right there, don’t even bother the rest of the way? Nobody in 2001 thought they’d beat the Rams either…

  22. greenpacker says: Nov 7, 2011 11:28 AM

    the LIONS SUCK. they are about to fall back to earth and when that happens it will reassure what we all already know, THE PACKERS are the best team in the history of the NFL forever and the bear’s head coach is Lovie Smith

  23. woodyg says: Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM

    Seems like a team has to win the SB on occasion to be talked of as a dynasty …… The Pats last won the SB in season 2004 …… If they are unable to win this season, it will be 7 seasons for them without a Lombardi Trophy …..

    I’d say that so-called dynasty ended a few years back …… I’m not sure it ever existed ……

  24. wtfpft says: Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM

    Dynasty was over when the spy cameras went off.

  25. drshakedown74 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM

    I’d say they are average.

  26. smarterthantheaveragebearfan says: Nov 7, 2011 11:31 AM

    The Patriots peaked in 2007 and it’s been a slow slide downward since then.

    Much like the Packers beginning in 1998, I see the Patriots doing the same slow decline before finally getting good again. Unlike the Packers, I don’t see Brady doing a Favre and hanging around for another 5-6 years waiting for it to happen

  27. 49ersallday420 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:31 AM

    lions are not the team to beat its obvious that the packers are the team to beat

  28. favrespeckerpictures says: Nov 7, 2011 11:32 AM

    FACT: Patriots are the same as the Colts….only their QB is healthy.

  29. RexCanCoach says: Nov 7, 2011 11:32 AM

    Only when both T. Brady and B. Bellichick are no longer on the Patriots sidelines will I say that the dynasty is over.

    Signed a long suffering Jets fan.

  30. drshakedown74 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:32 AM

    They will lose 2 out of their next 3 games.

  31. yankeesjetsknicksrangers says: Nov 7, 2011 11:34 AM

    Abandon Ship Bandwagon Nation

    Unreal how Boston throws in the towel when adversity hits them.

  32. snowpea84 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:35 AM

    They have a young roster. That sounds more like they have nowhere to go but up.

  33. favrespeckerpictures says: Nov 7, 2011 11:37 AM

    Thanks to Mo Lewis and videotape the Pats have had a hell of a run. No disgrace, no team remains dominant forever. My only question is whether lil Bill stays and tries to reload or moves on or retires.

  34. revrondog says: Nov 7, 2011 11:37 AM

    I’m 32 years old and the Chiefs dynasty is still over.

  35. andre504 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:38 AM

    Once again, this is why I call Monday, “Overreaction Monday”. I am not a Pats fan but come on, the Pats will be competitive up until Brady retires. It is the NFL, you do not win every game.

  36. ampats says: Nov 7, 2011 11:43 AM

    Every team has flaws. The question is how to correct them TB has not has his best games the past few weeks but the Patriots were in each loss till the final whistle.

    I am concerned about the injuries at LB (Spikes & Guyton) forcing the Pats to use Tracy White a special teamer.

    I thought the Jets were dead three weeks ago but I tip my hat as they looked very good yesterday. We’ll see if the Pats rebound.

    Joetoronto,

    Being a Raiders fan I wouldn’t be dumping on the Pats while your team got Tebowed yesterday and may have traded away the future for Carson Palmer who has looked awful. And lets not forget getting SHUT OUT last week by the Chiefs who lost yesterday to a winless team.

  37. herrerabrad says: Nov 7, 2011 11:43 AM

    I am a NY Giants fan, and it was a nice win…especially with Nicks, Bradshaw, and Baas out, but I wouldn’t just write off the Patriots. I think the defensive play calling for Giants was pretty much textbook for stopping the Pats (minus both teams mistakes). When the Giants are healthy, they are a pretty good team, and Eli is STILL not Brady, but looking at this year, he’s certainly no slouch.

  38. londonfletcher says: Nov 7, 2011 11:46 AM

    Come down to Virginia and try being a Skins fan for a while. You’ll go running back to New England after 3 weeks.

  39. chocolatebaconbutter says: Nov 7, 2011 11:49 AM

    Give the Giants some credit. Foxboro is a tough place to win a game. Even more impressive seeing as how they didn’t have the services of Hakmad Nadshaw and their starting center, David Baas.

  40. Miller says: Nov 7, 2011 11:50 AM

    Good chance the packers have their core intact for the next 5+ years.

  41. jakek2 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:55 AM

    Hey mouthy Packers’ fans, you’re gonna play the Giants’ (a/k/a the streak-breakers) twice. Guess what? They are gonna get you at least once. Better not let it happen in January (AGAIN!).

  42. nflsucker says: Nov 7, 2011 11:55 AM

    I’m not a Patriots fan by a long shot, but any idiot can see they remain dangerous. They’ve stockpiled draft picks—dump Ochocinco for a real receiver, get a real running back and load up on defense in the draft or free agency. They’ll be fine.

  43. stairwayto7 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:56 AM

    Dynasty end in 06 Super Bowl!

  44. giablommi says: Nov 7, 2011 11:58 AM

    As a Pats fan, they’ve had an amazing run since ’01, one that I will always be appreciative of. You can make 3 arguments as to when the dynasty ended:
    – That it ended with the loss to Denver in the ’05 playoffs (this team was awful defensively, was a downgrade from ’04)
    – That it ended with the ’06 AFCCG loss in Indy (not the best Pats team, but if they hang on to beat the Colts they were prohibitive favorites over Chicago) or
    – That it ended with SB 42 vs. the NYG (or week 1 of ’08, take your pick)

    Lets be honest, any talk of the Patriots dynasty lasting longer than week 1 of ’08 is nonsense. the remaining defensive stalwarts (Bruschi, Harrison) retired after ’08 and other than Brady, Belichick and KFaulk there is virtually nothing tying the present Patriots to the championship teams from ’01-’04.

    This current version is not, was not and will never be a dynasty based on the way the team is constructed. Eternal thanks to Brady, Belichick and Kraft for the great run, but the window is closed.

  45. gcsuk says: Nov 7, 2011 11:58 AM

    Soulman45 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:10 AM

    Frist to say
    Sure it over THE GREAT DETROIT LIONS is the team to beat in the NFL.
    ———————————————————————–
    You were in such a hurry to be “frist” that you couldn’t even write a coherent sentence?

  46. 6ball says: Nov 7, 2011 12:04 PM

    .

    AFC should be known as the “Funeral Conference ” because each week they bury another team . At some point this season the Ravens, Steelers, Patriots, Jets and all the other AFC teams have been left for dead at the curb.

    Everyone except those tricky Bengals …..someone has to keep an eye on them.

    .

  47. ayoungandres says: Nov 7, 2011 12:04 PM

    The Pats play KC, Indy, Washington, Denver, and Miami over the next seven weeks. They will win a lot of games from here on out. They will make the playoffs where they will lose in the first game against Baltimore.

    I will blame Giselle.

    EOM

  48. duanethomas says: Nov 7, 2011 12:05 PM

    Isn’t this what I’ve been saying for a year? They will not sniff another SuperBowl as they are configured now. Kraft, Brady and Belichick.

  49. tuckyous says: Nov 7, 2011 12:10 PM

    Just when I was starting to lose faith in Jerry, guys like Ballard and Cruz prove him right.

  50. n0hopeleft says: Nov 7, 2011 12:11 PM

    Im getting tired of the Packers fans on this site. The more you talk, the more the rest of the league wants to smash you.
    You guys sound like a team that hasnt ever “been there” before.

  51. d12f6m says: Nov 7, 2011 12:12 PM

    Seems like the dynasty was over when they got caught cheating. They cheated the Panthers out of a Superbowl. The NFL should of taken all the games they cheated on away from them…….

  52. jbl429 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:12 PM

    “If Jake Ballard didn’t make an incredible catch on New York’s game-winning drive Sunday.”

    The way Eli was throwing in the 4th quarter, are you sure he couldn’t have converted a 4th down pass? For a total Giants homer, you seem to have discounted Eli right there with his, you know, FIVE 4th quarter comebacks so far this season.

  53. m2karateman says: Nov 7, 2011 12:13 PM

    I think the movement in the draft the past few years have hurt. The Patriots have consistently traded back, which is great when you have premier talent at premier positioins, but need fill in starters or depth. However, this team now needs to reload at their positions of need. They have two firsts and two seconds in the coming draft. They need to either stand pat, or move up to get the cream of the crop, rather than trade down to hoard future picks, which in turn have been traded away to move down yet again.

  54. tunescribe says: Nov 7, 2011 12:15 PM

    The AFCE will be in play down the stretch. But if anyone thinks the New Jersey Green Beans have what it takes to assert dominance, I can give you a great deal on a bridge in Brooklyn.

  55. sobora says: Nov 7, 2011 12:16 PM

    @ greenbaypacker

    Please stop. You are making all of Packer nation look foolish with such ignorant comments. Enjoy our team’s success and stay classy about it. Remember, anything can happen on any given sunday. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

    With that being said, the Patriots are still a quality club. Like the Packers, that pass defense is atrocious.

    Go Pack.

  56. glac1 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:17 PM

    I wouldn’t call it a dynasty… Look at Tom and the Patriots post season record lately..

  57. shackdelrio says: Nov 7, 2011 12:20 PM

    The dynasty ended in 2008 when the lost the Super Bowl. They haven’t won a playoff in four years, the haven’t won a Super Bowl in seven years.

    Calling them a dynasty right now would be like the saying the San Antonio Spurs are a dynasty. They both “were” a dynasty. Now they are just good teams that don’t win championships.

  58. obamasballsack says: Nov 7, 2011 12:21 PM

    Aren’t the Pats still tied for top of the division?

  59. ampatsisahypocrite says: Nov 7, 2011 12:22 PM

    Petition the NFL to fine Ray Lewis for his uncalled, blatant helmet shot on Hinest Ward.

  60. section24 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:24 PM

    And in case you haven’t noticed, few fans of a team that hasn’t won a playoff game since 2007 consider themselves a DYNASTY. The dynasty talk ended with the SB loss shock of 2007. Sure, the Pats frequently top the Power Rankings during the season as they mow through a favorable schedule, but the postseason is a different matter – and that is where DYNASTY is earned.

  61. yankees218 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:29 PM

    @yankeesjetsknicksrangers

    …your name sums up my life. You are awesome.

  62. rushmatic says: Nov 7, 2011 12:29 PM

    Spot on about the AFC in general. The NFC has the Packers (and, to some extent, the Niners), but it’s tough to predict who will get some consistency by game 16 in our conference.

    I just hope the Pats get hot soon. It’s been a cold couple games.

  63. bearsrulepackdrool says: Nov 7, 2011 12:30 PM

    I think the Pats are playing us all. You fail to realize that in the last 10 years only the Pats (’03) and Saints (’09) have won the SB as the #1 seed. They are 6-3. They still have a chance to make the playoffs. Just because they aren’t the top team like everybody predicted doesn’t mean they won’t win it all.

    Also, all it takes is one for people to start bringing up the Dynasty talk again.

  64. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:35 PM

    Never WAS a “dynasty”. It was all built upon cheating. Sorry.

  65. marcuswelby70 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:36 PM

    Hey Mike, you should not lower yourself to include Borges in any of your articles
    FYI he is a Boston sports writer who writes mostly negative columns on the Patriots…and he’s not very knowledgeable when it comes to football.

  66. MCxShow says: Nov 7, 2011 12:43 PM

    The Dynasty ended in 2007 when they lost to the Giants. Since Brady’s return in ’09, they’ve just been a good team that can’t quite be great.

  67. rodgerthat says: Nov 7, 2011 12:44 PM

    With that being said, the Patriots are still a quality club. Like the Packers, that pass defense is atrocious.
    ———–
    Atrocious….that is the word I was looking for. How we are still undefeated is beyond me. That defense looked totally confused yesterday. Its almost like they don’t have a worry in the world because ARod has been playing well. That isn’t going to happen every week, that Ill guarantee you.

  68. portnoychunk says: Nov 7, 2011 12:44 PM

    I’m a Pats fan, but realistically the whole “dynasty” thing is a pointless conversation, since they haven’t won it all in 5 years. The Pats have done an admirable job of producing winning teams in a league built for parity, but that’s why all of us here love the NFL. Barring terrible ownership and self-inflicted wounds, every team has a chance to come out of a 3-4 year losing slump and be a playoff contender. THAT’s great for the game. As a Pats fan, I want to see them do well and win every week, but I can see that this years team is short on elite talent and speed on both sides of the ball. As a fan of the game, I enjoy seeing teams like Detroit, San Francisco, and even Cincy, turn their organizations around and have strong, competitive teams. Now, if winning didn’t turn most teams fans into a horde of arrogant putzes, the NFL would be all that much more enjoyable (this goes for us Pats fans as well).

  69. joetoronto says: Nov 7, 2011 12:47 PM

    ampats says: Nov 7, 2011 11:43 AM

    Joetoronto,

    Being a Raiders fan I wouldn’t be dumping on the Pats while your team got Tebowed yesterday and may have traded away the future for Carson Palmer who has looked awful. And lets not forget getting SHUT OUT last week by the Chiefs who lost yesterday to a winless team.
    ************************************************
    First of all, who’s dumping on the Pats?

    I stated my opinion based on what I see, not hating.

    Secondly, the Raiders got their butts handed to them in a big way yesterday, but I fail to see what that has to do with the Pats.

    Palmer has NOT looked awful, by the way. Either you know nothing about football, haven’t watched, or you’re just hating.

    The guy started his first game yesterday for the Raiders. His arm strength is impressive, he just needs more time with his new receivers.

    But then, I actually watch before I talk.

  70. flapjackdaddy says: Nov 7, 2011 12:57 PM

    It’s been over since Feb. 2005.

  71. mistrezzrachael says: Nov 7, 2011 12:58 PM

    duanethomas says:
    Nov 7, 2011 12:05 PM
    Isn’t this what I’ve been saying for a year? They will not sniff another SuperBowl as they are configured now. Kraft, Brady and Belichick.

    SO GENIUS???? What team is it that you root for again??

  72. patriotera says: Nov 7, 2011 1:04 PM

    As log as this is America the Patriots will be a dynasty.
    I just want to know why the great defensive master now has the worse defense in the league? I thought last year was bad!

  73. racerx1225 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:08 PM

    “Perhaps this is the year the Patriots won’t finish in at least a tie for first place for the first time since 2000. Maybe it will stop being a big deal at some point when the team loses two straight games.”
    ____________________________________

    They failed to even make the playoffs the year after they got handed their first trip to the Super Bowl with the worst call in NFL history, the “Tuck Rule”. I believe it was 2003 but you should know better than I. Check your facts before publishing drivel like that statement. Sounds great but just aint so..

  74. westclaims says: Nov 7, 2011 1:11 PM

    True, and it is fun to watch Brady smash his wittle juice box on the sidelines in a temper tantrum.

    Nothing good since CHEATING. LOVE it.

  75. rajbais says: Nov 7, 2011 1:11 PM

    Belichick can coach, but he’s no longer a genius!!

    The media only sucks up to him because of the Spygate aftermath!!!

  76. mrconnors says: Nov 7, 2011 1:15 PM

    They cheated the Panthers out of the Super Bowl? The same Panthers caught taking steroids before that very game? Plus, what signals of the Panthers did the Patriots have to steal? The ones from the 1-15 Panthers in 2001? Because that was the last time the two teams played.

    Besides, “knowing every play that was coming”, somehow the Patriots let up 19 fourth quarter points and only won because the Panthers kicker booted it out of bounds and the final drive started at the 40.

  77. homelanddefense says: Nov 7, 2011 1:22 PM

    Regardless of whether Borges has a point or not, anyone who has witnessed his act over the last decade cannot take Borges seriously when he writes about the Patriots. He has such a hatred for BB and the Patriots ownership that nothing he writes is objective.

  78. dublindemonszfl says: Nov 7, 2011 1:31 PM

    Just positioning themselves for a playoff run

  79. yankeesjetsknicksrangers says: Nov 7, 2011 1:42 PM

    yankees218 says:
    Nov 7, 2011 12:29 PM

    @yankeesjetsknicksrangers

    …your name sums up my life. You are awesome.

    ————————————————-
    ————————————————-

    You Sir are just as Awesome!

  80. cupofjoe1962 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:50 PM

    Borges hates Belichick, but at least those
    Are his own feelings. He did not copy these feelings from Mike Sando.

  81. hedleykow says: Nov 7, 2011 1:53 PM

    Brady’s ridiculous haircut looks even sillier when matched up with a capital L on his forehead.

  82. slammincamnewton says: Nov 7, 2011 1:55 PM

    A dynasty would mean you win championships. The patriots have won one of those in 7 years.

  83. slammincamnewton says: Nov 7, 2011 1:57 PM

    This just means the bandwagon is over. The Packers are taking apps for you Boston fans.

  84. luckyarmpit says: Nov 7, 2011 2:00 PM

    I couldn’t be happier that the Giants beat the stupid Patriots AGAIN. The highlight of the evening was seeing Tom Brady so frustrated that he threw down his water bottle with so much force that it splashed Gatorade all over the place. What a good day I’m having today…

  85. bobhk says: Nov 7, 2011 2:01 PM

    All dynasties come to an end. Ten years of preeminence is a pretty long time. Even Joe Montana led niners came to an end (however Walsh had foresight to trade for another future HOFamer in Young and draft very well).
    Why is it difficult to understand that it might be coming to close for Brady and co. The talent level has gone down a lot due to poor drafts.

  86. minnesconsin says: Nov 7, 2011 2:07 PM

    2002-2005. That was the Pats’ dynasty. It’s been 6 full seasons since their last Super Bowl win. Since then, they’ve been one of a handful of consistently competitive teams in the league, nothing more, nothing less. what they’ve done over the past 10 years has been impressive enough, no need to exaggerate its significance.

  87. kindbass says: Nov 7, 2011 2:08 PM

    Meh. Borges has been ripping the Pats ever since they shipped his buddy, Bledsoe, out of town.

  88. bobhk says: Nov 7, 2011 2:38 PM

    No multiple superbowl winners (star cast of QB/WR/RB) has won another superbowl 7 years apart (correct me if I am wrong).
    I think the odds are pretty stacked against Brady winning another one.
    I remember a few years ago people used to talk about how Brady will win 5 to 7 superbowls. Crazy stuff. Most people don’t realize it’s tough to remain at the top for that long in an era of competition and parity.

  89. horatio69 says: Nov 7, 2011 2:44 PM

    “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?” – Bluto

  90. bullcharger says: Nov 7, 2011 2:45 PM

    A dynasty they are not… the dynasty ended after 2004. 2007 they started something new, and didn’t quite get it done, but they have done well since. 2008=11-5, 2009=10-6.

    14-2 last year… many teams have never had a season that good.

    Tied for the lead in the division this year. Already beat the Jets once.

    Upcoming games against indy, KC, Washington, Denver and Miami. Buffalo at home to close out the season.

    This week’s game agaist the Jets is the most important game of the year. If the Patriots can win it, the tie breaker is set against the Jets and the Patriots are in the drivers seat for the division. If they don’t win it the Patriots aren’t done. It’s still a split with the Jets and they can split with the Bills and beat Miami again.

    The Patriots are a great team in the league. They aren’t a dynasty, but as a fan, who cares. This is great and we are lucky.

  91. Patskrieg dot com says: Nov 7, 2011 3:11 PM

    “Try being a Vikings fan if you want to know what real disappoint is like.”

    Fran Tarkenton, I am disappoint.

  92. db105 says: Nov 7, 2011 3:30 PM

    What is a dynasty? Do some basic math and you’d realize how often teams are suppose to win a Super Bowl. 32 teams and 1 SB winner every year means a team winning winning one SB in 32 years is the norm. A truer measuring stick is what the team’s win/loss record is in recent years. A team going
    14-2 last year is on a decline? That’s a dream season for most teams.

  93. dawkattack says: Nov 7, 2011 4:39 PM

    They never had one 4 or more is a dynasty

  94. dawkattack says: Nov 7, 2011 4:45 PM

    @herrerabrad giants d didn’t stop them lead changed 4 times in 4th Qtr. What game were you watching

  95. 6ball says: Nov 7, 2011 5:03 PM

    .

    I never hear the players, fans, or anyone in the Patriots organization use the word, “dynasty “.

    It’s a fabricated story, concocted in a pseudo – journalism lab.

    .

  96. gimmeabruschi says: Nov 7, 2011 6:38 PM

    Poor decisions have finally caught up with BB. They had been gaining on him for years.

  97. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 7, 2011 8:15 PM

    SF, who I hated even more than I have NE over the past decade, did it without cheating — and also won 4 Super Bowls in 8 years. THAT’S a dynasty; not cheating and eking out ref-aided games while not winning anything of consequence in almost 7 years.

  98. Little Earthquake says: Nov 7, 2011 10:14 PM

    It was a dynasty from 2001-2005. It’s a perennial playoff team now, like those old Portland Trail Blazer teams.

  99. bozosforall says: Nov 8, 2011 1:06 AM

    marcuswelby70 says:
    Nov 7, 2011 12:36 PM
    Hey Mike, you should not lower yourself to include Borges in any of your articles
    FYI he is a Boston sports writer who writes mostly negative columns on the Patriots…and he’s not very knowledgeable when it comes to football.

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    Hey Mike, an even BETTER idea would be to not lower yourself to include whiny posts from the wussiest fan base in all of sports, the New England fan base. FYI, they are the biggest bandwagoners on the planet who cry and complain about everything that goes against their teams while condoning cheating by their teams…and they are not very knowledgable when it comes to any sports. Except maybe ice dancing and women’s gymnastics.

  100. jphoops says: Nov 8, 2011 9:23 AM

    Why are they not doing play action and then launching it to Deion branch. Don’t get me wrong im a huge giants fan but seriously branch had what one reception for 2 yards and he’s there starter. C’mon man!!

  101. deselect says: Jan 23, 2012 2:30 AM

    So yeah, how’s that working now?

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