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Week Nine Monday 10-pack

Bernard Pollard, Hines Ward, Ray Lewis AP

Midseason report cards and awards be damned, Week Nine is the exact middle of the football season.  And if the second half of the season is anything like the second half of Sunday’s action, it’ll be a year to remember.

So what better way to wrap up the day than by looking at 10 things we’ll remember from the ninth Sunday of the season?

Then again, we do it every week.

1.  Helmet-to-helmet hits should be subject to replay review.

It would be easy to blame the officials for the inconsistencies in the decisions to throw flags — and to not throw flags — when assessing whether an illegal helmet-to-helmet hit occurs against a defenseless receiver.  But the truth is that the players are moving far too fast to permit consistently accurate assessment of the plays to be made in real time.  There’s only so much that the men in black and white stripes can do to accurately split hairs at top speed.

So why not support the officials by making these critical calls subject to replay review?  Too much is at stake, with 15 yards of field position hanging in the balance.  In a game of inches, awarding — or not awarding — 540 of them based on whether a big hit crossed the line is too much to entrust to the naked eye, especially since mistakes are being made.

The league wants the officials to err on the side of protecting players by throwing the flag, which only contributes to fan and player discontent when an error is made.  In the Dolphins-Chiefs game on Sunday, safety Yeremiah Bell drew a flag when replays showed that it wasn’t an illegal hit.  In the Sunday night game in Pittsburgh, Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis got away with an illegal helmet-to-helmet hit on Steelers receiver Hines Ward (which knocked Ward out of the game), which made even more glaring a later decision to flag Steelers safety Ryan Clark for a 15-yard penalty based on what appeared to be a clean, unavoidable, incidental helmet-to-helmet hit.

Despite concerns that games will last too long (one way to speed up the review process would be to dispense with the requirement that the referee trot to the sidelines, put on a headset, and review the play at field level), the helmet-to-helmet play has become such a hot-button issue that it makes sense to expand the list of reviewable plays to include this increasingly important and controversial call.

2.  Sometimes, press coverage prevents victories.

As the cliche goes, prevent defense prevents the defensive team from winning games.  But when the Ravens did the unthinkable and drove 92 yards in the waning moments of Sunday night’s game in Pittsburgh, it was the Steelers’ insistence on playing bump-and-run coverage that contributed to the loss.

With Baltimore facing third and 10 from the Pittsburgh 26, the Steelers ultimately weren’t defending the sticks.  They were defending the end zone.  But, as Tony Dungy pointed out as we were on the FNIA set waiting for the post-game show, the Steelers opted to play the receivers tight off the line, running with them down the field instead of giving them a cushion.

As a result, Ravens receiver Torrey Smith got behind his man and obtained redemption for a holding penalty that wiped out a Ray Rice touchdown and a dropped touchdown pass only a few plays earlier.

Though it’s too early to rule the Steelers out of anything this season, it’s a dark day for the black and gold whenever an otherwise stifling defense gives up 92 yards of turf with the game, and possibly the division title, on the line.

3.  Chris Johnson gets his yards, but something still isn’t right.

As explained early Sunday morning, the Titans can — and possibly will — walk away from running back Chris Johnson’s contract before owing him another $8 million in guaranteed money come next March.

The numbers from Tennessee’s Week Nine game against the Bengals suggest that Johnson got the message, given that he generated 110 yards from scrimmage.

But Johnson still isn’t the guy he was in past seasons.  He lacks that trademark bottle-rocket burst, which would have turned some of his modest gains from Sunday into an eye-popping highlight involving Chris Johnson sprinting past defenders who appeared to be race-walking through a muddy minefield.

Eventually, the Titans will have to ask themselves where it went, how he can get it back, and whether it makes sense to continue to pay him big money to be a good but not gamebreaking threat.

4.  Time for Pats to say farewell to Ochocinco.

After yet another disappointing performance from receiver Chad Ochocinco (he had zero catches for a third straight game), the Patriots need to begin thinking seriously about whether it’s time to move on.  Even though they gave him a $6 million signing bonus after the trade that sent him from Cincinnati toe New England, he’s simply not getting it done, as evidenced by the fact that, for the season, he has nine catches for 136 yards and no touchdowns.

After Sunday’s game, quarterback Tom Brady reportedly said regarding Ochocinco, “We’ll keep working on it.  No other choice.”   But there is another choice.  The Patriots can admit that they made a mistake, and the Patriots can rectify it by cutting Ochocinco loose.

Ochocinco told Ian Rapoport of the Boston Herald that Chad and Brady are “missing it by this much,” holding two fingers close together.  In order to be accurate in his self-assessment, Chad needs to use two hands when illustrating the disconnect, and he needs to spread them as far apart as he can.

It’s unclear why it’s not working.  The Patriots’ attempt to stifle Chad’s individuality could be keeping him from getting truly comfortable.  Or maybe he just doesn’t have it anymore.  Either way, what Chad proclaimed to be heaven has steadily become something far less perfect than that.

Fittingly, the team that Chad was so desperate to leave is now 6-2, one game better than a Patriots squad that isn’t nearly as good as past versions of the franchise.

5.  The wild, wild AFC West.

Every week, we think we’ve figured out the AFC West.  Then, a week later, it’s wide open all over again.

Two weeks ago, wins by the Broncos and Chiefs and losses by the Raiders and Chargers for the first time created a sense that it’s more than an Oakland/San Diego proposition.  Last week, the Chiefs grabbed the driver’s seat as the Broncos settled into the basement.

On Sunday, the Chiefs, Chargers, and Raiders all lost, with only the Broncos coming away with a win.  The end result?  Three teams are knotted at 4-4, and the Broncos sit only one game behind, at 3-5.

Good luck identifying a favorite.  Some still believe in the Chargers.  The Raiders could be dangerous, if/when Carson Palmer stops throwing three interceptions per game.  And the Chiefs have shown that they can string together wins, even if they found a way to get blown out by a previously winless team.

The only team that seems ill-equipped to capture the crown are the up-and-down Broncos, whose quarterback is riding broad pendulum on a week-to-week basis.  But the Broncos become their most dangerous when they’re counted out, and it’s impossible to assume that Denver won’t somehow find a away to win the division title.

6.  Eli really is elite.

Giants quarterback Eli Manning caught plenty of flak before the season for injecting himself onto the list of elite quarterbacks.  Wildly out of character for a guy who otherwise goes wildly out of his way to avoid controversy, Eli is backing it up.

On pace for more than 4,700 passing yards and with a 16-to-5 ratio of touchdowns to interceptions, Manning has become as effective as his big brother this year.  On Sunday, Eli delivered arguably his biggest win since the last time he beat the Patriots, on a slightly smaller stage.

Still, beating the Patriots in Foxborough is no small feat.  They don’t often lose at home, and even less often do they lose two games in a row.  Both happened on Sunday, thanks to Eli.

Of course, he was helped by some sure-handed receivers, including Jake Ballard’s full-speed, leaning back, one-handed grab that happened too quickly to be properly appreciated.

The end result is that the Giants now sit firmly atop the NFC East at 6-2.  Though the Eagles will continue to attempt their charge to the top on Monday night, Eli seems to be willing his team toward greater heights than anyone would have imagined for this team.

So what’s gotten into Eli?  It could be that he realizes the fleeting nature of a football career, given the health issues that are preventing Peyton from playing.  It could be that Eli finally has figured out how to replicate his incredible performances from the 2007 postseason.  Either way, it’s working for Eli like never before.  Though he may not be able to overcome Aaron Rodgers for league MVP honors, Eli could be one of the only men who can lead a team to victory at Lambeau Field in January.

Just like he did four years ago.

7.  Players still need to be careful about throwing off their helmets, even after the game has ended.

At the end of the Giants’ unlikely win over the Patriots, New York safety Antrel Rolle jumped to his feet, unfastened his chinstrap, and threw off his helmet.

There was no time on the clock, and the game was over.  But it instantly conjured memories of former Browns linebacker Dwayne Rudd, who infamously threw off his helmet with no time on the clock in a 2002 Week One game against the Chiefs.

Rudd thought the game was over, but Chiefs quarterback Trent Green had managed to unload the ball to lineman John Tait, who rumbled deep into Cleveland territory before being tackled.  Neither Tait nor anyone else realized that the Chiefs would get one more untimed down — plus 15 yards of field position — thanks to Rudd’s faux pas.

The difference in this case is that another lineman who ended up with the ball had indeed been tackled before the helmet came off.  “Game is over,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told PFT by email.  “Not a penalty.”

Though this interpretation seems to support the notion that, once the final gun sounds and any active play ends, players can throw helmets (or fists) without any fear of being flagged, the safest approach for every player is to continue to honor all rules on the books until clear of the playing field.

8.  Big tests coming for Bengals.

I’ve yet to get too caught up in the success of the Cincinnati Bengals, despite their six wins in eight games.  They’ve yet to play the Steelers or the Ravens, and we’ll all learn a lot more about the Bengals when they do.

The process gets started next week, when the Steelers invade Cincinnati for the Bengals’ first sold-out home game of the season.  Then comes a trip to Baltimore.

Split the next two games, and the Bengals will be taken seriously.  Win them both, and it’ll be time to start talking about the Bengals as a potential No. 1 seed.  Lose both, however, and the Bengals will be viewed as a group of overachievers who benefited from a fairly soft schedule in the early part of the season.

9.  Jets inject much-needed transparency into concussion diagnosis.

Early in Sunday’s game between the Jets and Bills, New York tight end Dustin Keller exited with what appeared to be a concussion.  Labeled questionable with a head injury, Keller surprisingly returned to the game after halftime.

In the hopes of getting a better understanding of the manner in which the Jets handled the delicate and, for many fans, confusing process of determining whether or not a player has suffered a concussion, PFT sent a series of questions to the Jets.  To their credit, the Jets provided substantive answers to every one.

Each question and answer appears below.

1.  Who examined Keller and what is the person’s title?

Dr. Damion Martins, team internist, sports medicine specialist trained in concussion evaluation.  The results of the testing, along with additional player evaluation, were all reviewed and cleared by the head team physician, Dr Kenneth Montgomery.

2. What tests were imposed?

The NFL League sideline evaluation form was utilized — passed. Balance testing (BESS Testing) — passed, exercise stress test — passed. Dustin returned only after all tests passed as good or better than baseline testing, and symptom free.

3. Where did the evaluation occur?

The evaluation occurred in the locker room to assure a quiet and distraction-free environment.

4. When was the decision made that he would return?

Once it was confirmed that the player passed all tests and felt absolutely normal.  If he was not perfect, he would not have returned.  We are very conservative and the players we have held out so far this year were Donald Strickland, Garrett McIntyre, and Matthias Berning.

5.  Was there any suspicion that he’d suffered a concussion?

He felt “dizzy” immediately after the play but felt fine by the time he reached the sideline. He denied symptoms on sideline evaluation and passed a simple sideline questionnaire on the bench. Out of respect for the injury, we took him to the locker room to perform a thorough evaluation to be sure. We were concerned enough to perform the testing, but all signs and tests suggest that he did not have a concussion.

6.  The was questionable to return with a “head” injury — what was the specific injury to his head?

He hit his head and was dizzy for several seconds. That is why we listed it as his head. He was questionable only during the time he was being evaluated. His symptoms cleared immediately. It happens to several players in every NFL game.

7. Was any testing conducted at halftime?  If so, by whom and what were they?

The extensive testing above occurred before half time. He participated in team meetings at halftime with his teammates. We checked on him several times after each offensive series and he remained symptom free.

8. Were further tests conducted after the game?

We evaluated him after the game and he remained symptom free. We will continue to check on him as the week progresses.

This is precisely the kind of transparency that is needed, if fans and the media are going to properly understand the manner in which teams decide whether a player has suffered a concussion.  The fact that the release of this information is not required by the league’s injury-reporting rules makes the team’s decision to share the data even more admirable.

10.  The Steelers, on the other hand, choose secrecy.

On Sunday night, Steelers receiver Hines Ward sustained a helmet-to-helmet hit.  He left the game and didn’t return, remaining on the sidelines throughout the rest of the game.  NBC’s Michele Tafoya reported at one point that Ward had suffered a “stinger,” and that he was questionable to return to the game.  Michele also pointed out that Ward’s helmet had been taken from him.

After the game, coach Mike Tomlin admitted that Ward suffered from “concussion-like symptoms,” a term that the Steelers first coined several weeks ago in connection with safety Troy Polamalu.

So PFT  sent several questions to the Steelers: (1) Was he evaluated for a concussion?; (2) If so, by whom?;  (3) Was he at any point diagnosed with a concussion?  If so, when?; (4)  Who diagnosed him with a stinger?; (5) Was his helmet taken from him?; (6) What were his specific symptoms?

In response, the team opted to provide no information beyond Coach Tomlin’s post-game comments.

Hopefully, the league office will pose those same questions to the Steelers, and maybe a few more.  Last year, the Steelers concealed a concussion that Ward had suffered during a Sunday night game, calling it a neck injury and keeping him on the sidelines for the balance of the contest.  After the season, the NFL mandated that all concussed players be taken to the locker room for the balance of the game, based in part on the Steelers’ handling of Ward’s concussion.

The Steelers apparently have now crafted a new loophole based on the use of the term “concussion-like symptoms.”

At least they didn’t try to say that Ward had dirt on his face.

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45 Responses to “Week Nine Monday 10-pack”
  1. davikes says: Nov 7, 2011 3:05 AM

    Re concussions and the Jets & Steelers. That’s actually really good journalism. Congrats.

  2. crunchyclam says: Nov 7, 2011 3:11 AM

    PFT’s concussion test muckraking is admirable. Solid work.

  3. quittsburghstoolers says: Nov 7, 2011 3:18 AM

    The NFL needs to investigate the Steelers and find out why Pittsburgh feels the need to do the cloak and dagger routine they seem to wanna pull every time they have an injury.

    I don’t understand what kind of advantage it might give them. But I’m sure they have some reason for it and it can’t be anything the NFL would approve of.

    They need to knock this cheap sh*t off & just follow the rules…

  4. freedomispopular says: Nov 7, 2011 3:43 AM

    Of course the Jets were open with you. They’re completely open about every thing.

  5. pjhurley5 says: Nov 7, 2011 3:44 AM

    Regarding #6 – elite QBs perform at an elite level every single year, or at least most years that they play in the league.

    To suggest that Eli is playing better because he realizes that careers are short in the NFL is absurd. Good players have some great years; statistically speaking it’s even more of an anomaly than his awful year last year was. Eli has had a QB rating over 90 exactly ONCE before for an entire NFL season (in 2009 he had a rating of 93.1). He currently has a 98.8 rating, which is fantastic…except that his career rating is 81.6. My money says that Eli regresses to the mean next year and has something closer to 81.6 than to “elite.”

  6. skoobyfl says: Nov 7, 2011 4:33 AM

    The Bills had concussion grenade symptoms after getting blown up by the Jets.

  7. dawkattack says: Nov 7, 2011 5:26 AM

    Eli elite no way Pats defense was terrible giants too but the PI’s are what helped them get down the field not Eli well maybe his errant Backfoot throws

  8. snatss says: Nov 7, 2011 5:34 AM

    How do you know Ryan Clarks hit was unavoidable and ray lewis’s hit was intentional . I think you look at it based on how you want it to go. If I am a ravens fan I would say that ray’s hit was unavoidable. What makes you an expert to differentiate ? Did you have money on the game ?

  9. baldingerspinky says: Nov 7, 2011 5:38 AM

    Eli is having his best season ever. One season does not make him elite. He play 8 games at an elite level in 2007. He is peaking too early in the season and history tells is he and the Tom coughlin coached giants are due to have their season blow up. If the make it through the next five games in first place my hat wi be off to him bit for now I say he is playing the beat football of his career and that is all.

  10. botchedextrapoint says: Nov 7, 2011 5:52 AM

    Hmmmm! A 10 pack without the 8-0 Pack.

  11. tstoke03 says: Nov 7, 2011 6:01 AM

    If you were really worried about players removing their helment during the game you would use Phillip Rivers from the Chargers who did remove his helment with time remaining on the clock while walking of the field after throwing his last int. But wasn’t penalized.

  12. oriolesvsravens says: Nov 7, 2011 6:08 AM

    The reason Clark got called for a Personal Foul was that he lauched himself into Dickson with his eyes down. It looks more less like a legit tackle attempt but still Lewis’ hit was helmet to helmet also. At these speeds there is no way for these guys to not make contact with their helmets. A defenseless receiver in most cases is in an upright position. When descending from mid air that target that was once waist to neck has now shrunk with the reciever curling up right before contact. How can you tackle that going 100 miles an hour?

  13. waltdawg says: Nov 7, 2011 7:01 AM

    My analysis from Week 9? Skins are an absolute joke!

    Fire everyone and disband the team!

  14. mvpolamalu says: Nov 7, 2011 7:15 AM

    The steelers went from being the best team in the afc to having a must win next week… I am upset and dissapointed in the steelers loss but this is why the nfl is so awesome

  15. n0hopeleft says: Nov 7, 2011 7:16 AM

    I will pray for Alex Smith this week.

    Alex has never seen a pass rush this focused and fired up in his life.

  16. stoogy says: Nov 7, 2011 7:21 AM

    afc west… raiders need 2 beat chargers thurday night

  17. whodeytn says: Nov 7, 2011 7:27 AM

    Still can’t give the Bengals any credit as usual…

  18. mikea311 says: Nov 7, 2011 7:35 AM

    I’m going to retract my statement from a few weeks ago, there is only one QB i’d rather have instead of Eli, and that’s Rodgers.

    Keep all your stats, i want my QB to be able win when it counts. You can not deny that Eli is the MVP, Rodger’s is the offensive player of year, but Eli is the MVP.

    When you put your team on your back and carry them, that’s elite.

  19. mikejd12 says: Nov 7, 2011 7:50 AM

    oh shut up with the dirt in the face, fletcher admitted to trying to get vick out of the game and ur still talking about it

  20. listenupcupcake says: Nov 7, 2011 7:50 AM

    Concussions: nice PR job by the NYJ. Still, the stillers did nothing illegal – and by taking Hines’ helmet away from him, they controlled his access to the field (and possible further injury). BTW, the Vick comparison is inapposite; he showed no concussive or post-concussive effects when he returned to that game, or since. Every ding is not a concussion – and the NYJ, whom you praise, apparently agree (see answer to #6 above).

  21. PFTiswhatitis says: Nov 7, 2011 8:10 AM

    Eli is hardly elite. Yes the Giants beat the Pats and Yes Eli made a couple of plays on that final drive but the victory can be attributed to both Defenses, it hardly makes Eli “elite.”

  22. thekidmd1234 says: Nov 7, 2011 8:13 AM

    So the Ravens lose to the Jags AND got WAXED by the Titans, both whom Cincy beat but the fact that they are not good teams is held against the Bengals for winning, on the road at that, but not held against the Ravens for losing!??.

    But as a long suffering Bengals fan I’m not about to crown these guys yet either. We’ve had our hearts crushed too many times before. I’m enjoying it though.

  23. thekidmd1234 says: Nov 7, 2011 8:17 AM

    as far as helmet to helmet, nothing is going to change until the league starts suspending players. they have yet to show that they have the guts to do it

  24. tim1999 says: Nov 7, 2011 8:22 AM

    ha ha ha ha ha ….now after a really good game and a big win on the road he’s referred to as the “Broncos quarterback”.
    Mike, watching you media types choke on it is hilarious.

  25. bdert says: Nov 7, 2011 8:28 AM

    Eli is more of a clutch player than Peyton!

  26. skiha says: Nov 7, 2011 8:29 AM

    “I’ve yet to get too caught up in the success of the Cincinnati Bengals”
    ——————————————————-
    Don’t you have them in the top ten of your power rankings????

  27. myeaglescantwin says: Nov 7, 2011 9:02 AM

    i couldnt even finish reading the article.

    I came across the words “defenseless receiver” and puked a little bit.

    There is no such thing a defenseless receiver. If you do not like taking the chance of getting laid out after making a tough catch,, your defense is to be a coward and not go over the middle or lay yourself on the line..

    Since the beggining of football, there have been two types of recievers; those that go over the middle and those that don’t.. Taking the toughness out of the game is DISGUSTING.
    Has Roger Goodell ever played organized footballk? (real question)

    & to say that we need to start reviewing the hits.. . cmon.
    I couldnt even watch last nights game with all the stopages.. Football has become a joke..
    Everything started going downhill with the advent of the “TV timeout’” now it seems like every other play we are seeing flags, or going to review, or plays are being challenged.. There is no flow to a game anymore.

    The NFL has damaged the product to a point where we cant even recognize the league anymore.

  28. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Nov 7, 2011 9:03 AM

    Helmet to Helmet is a part of the damn game. If you don’t like it, take the helmets off and let them go at it. Remove the penalty all together until that time.

  29. boombabymac says: Nov 7, 2011 9:14 AM

    Defending the Zeeb’s for missing helmet to helmet? How could you miss the “sound” of the hit Hines took from Lewis? Or the visual of Tebow’s head snapping back from the shot to the chin?
    Nothing subtle about those two.
    Call what you see and let the league sort it out. The front office started this debacle in the first place.

  30. brintfatre says: Nov 7, 2011 9:22 AM

    Another win at the hands of a bogus 4th quarter pass interference call does not make him elite. It just means his handlers are paying off the officiating crews better than his opponents!

  31. rmc1995 says: Nov 7, 2011 9:43 AM

    Ryan Clark always hits with his head down. That’s called spearing and he can break his neck doing it. Lewis saw what he was hitting and was in a tackling position.

  32. rabidbillsfan says: Nov 7, 2011 9:44 AM

    @Brintfatre

    If you want to see a bogus PI call, look at the one on McKelvin against Holmes, that was bogus. I mean, what counts as uncatchable? It must mean the ball has to be thrown to the upper deck I guess…

  33. rabidbillsfan says: Nov 7, 2011 9:49 AM

    @ #4

    Sure, definetly drop ocho, we here in Buffalo will take him. Having watched 5 of NE games, this is by far his best game. He was open alot, made the D pay for manning up. ( See what I did there) If it wasn’t for a poor throw by Brady in the EZ, or 2 passes tipped out of his hands, I bet everybody would be singing a diffrent tune. He also looked alot more comfortable out there, big smile and all. I think if they would let Chad be Chad, they would have a productive guy outside of WW. Either way, I hope they do release him, another ding to the BB tarnished armor, and somebody would be getting a guy ready to make some plays.

  34. savoirlaire says: Nov 7, 2011 9:52 AM

    I love all the Eli haters out there saying he will regress, he’s not that good, blah blah. I believe you are seeing him just now attaining the status which he is going to have for a long time, that of a top level qb. He’s always been clutch and a winner, even when his statistics were lacking, but he’s taking care of the numbers now. Sounds like a lot of denial out there, but Eli has arrived for good. And his receivers this year have been a revolving door of injured players, to boot!

  35. ductguy says: Nov 7, 2011 10:22 AM

    I say my phins should trade henne, a second round pick and maybe a second rounder next year to the colts for the #1 pick aka Andrew Luck

  36. tdk24 says: Nov 7, 2011 10:34 AM

    Maybe there would be less concussions if they cleaned up the Steroid use in the league.

  37. kappy32 says: Nov 7, 2011 12:59 PM

    Please tell me how Eli is not elite & hasn’t been. What is the most important stat for QBs? IMO it’s WINS. The most amazing stat I heard last night was that Eli ranks third amongst active QBs in wins since he entered the league. He’s only behind big brother Peyton & after yesterday, 3 behind Tom Terrific. That doesn’t take into account his tremendous march through the playoffs and Super Bowl MVP. People have hated on him because he hasn’t been his brother, however the guy is a winner and it looks like he’s finally putting it all together. I think we’re about to see a 4-5 year stretch where Eli stays atop the list if elite QBs.

  38. nevin999 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:31 PM

    Concussion-like symptoms is plain English and Ward did not return to the game, so what is the problem? Should Tomlin clear his players pending your blogs approval?

  39. bostonstrippers says: Nov 7, 2011 1:51 PM

    Eli is Elite, WHEN Tracey White is in coverage, the special teams player. and Sergio “I shouldn’t be on the field” Brown is playing in place of Josh “who the f is” Barrett.
    Wait for Eli to play the NON 32nd rated defense before you announced he’s ELITE.

  40. neelymessier says: Nov 7, 2011 5:28 PM

    Elii is not a top tier quarterback. Wins is not the measure. He had a great playoff run to win the SB, but he doesn’t get there if Favre doesn’t toss three picks. And he doesn’t win the SB w/o a tremendous defensive performance. If they had picked Rivers, despite his down year this year, the Giants would’ve been better. Wins? He’s 66 -45. A 58% completion pct? That ties him for 58th best all time. A 6.9 yds per att? He’s 30 and in his first six full seasons he averages 26 TD’s and 19 picks? His passer rating? Sorry, he has had amazing runs, but he is not near the cream of the crop.

  41. jimeejohnson says: Nov 7, 2011 7:45 PM

    Eli Manning is the future, along with Aaron Rodgers. The Jets are foaming at the mouth in anticipaton of playing the Patriots, but then again, the Jets foam at the mouth normally! Rodgers is playing at a very high level right now but it helps that his team is, too.

  42. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says: Nov 7, 2011 8:10 PM

    Tomlin was correct to be cautious about releasing personal medical information about Whines Hard.

    The medical staff worked on Whines for two hours after the game trying to repair his dislocated $hit-eating grin.

  43. psychotim says: Nov 7, 2011 9:57 PM

    “Has Roger Goodell ever played organized footballk? (real question)”

    Yes (real answer). Per Wikipedia:

    “He graduated from Bronxville (N.Y.) High School where, as a three-sport star in football, basketball, and baseball, he captained all three teams as a senior and was named the school’s athlete of the year. Injuries kept him from playing college football.”

  44. damnyankee13 says: Nov 8, 2011 4:54 PM

    Regarding Eli saying that he was elite..I seem to recall an interview where he was asked if he really thoufght he was in the elite class, he stated words to the effect that while he thought he was an elite QB, he thought he was.Now, I would rather have a QB that thinks he is an elite,whether/not he is, than one that goes out there to play to win. on my team. I want I QB with personel drive to succeed if even if Eli just THINKS he’s an elite, he got the drive I want out there.

  45. damnyankee13 says: Nov 8, 2011 4:56 PM

    meant to say he just thought, not believed.

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