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A note of optimism about Carson Palmer

With Florio having a travel day Tuesday, I guest hosted on PFT Live.

That meant I could request a guest, and Greg Cosell of NFL Films was the first guy I wanted to hear from. He watches all the film as producer for the best football show on television (NFL Matchup). He goes for truth, not hype.

Carson Palmer’s first start in Oakland didn’t get a lot of hype. He struggled to move the ball at the end of the game.

After watching the film, however, Cosell saw plenty of things to like.

“I know everybody is focused on the interceptions, but I thought the Palmer threw the ball extremely well. I thought he read coverage well,” Cosell said. “He made about three or four ‘Wow’ throws. He looked comfortable in the pocket. . . . He had good velocity.”

So much for Palmer’s arm strength being an issue after the layoff from football.

To get Cosell’s takes on the Patriots offense, Tim Tebow, and why he’d take Jay Cutler over Michael Vick, check out the full interview below.

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40 Responses to “A note of optimism about Carson Palmer”
  1. mrcosio says: Nov 8, 2011 5:57 PM

    Comeback Player of The Year, you heard it hear first!

  2. acerockefellar says: Nov 8, 2011 5:57 PM

    Palmer is a quitter.

  3. jessethegreat says: Nov 8, 2011 6:02 PM

    Who wouldn’t take Cutler over Vick… and by nature, as a Packers fan, I hate the Bears. (I might hate them, but I do respect our rival). Cutler is younger, has a more accurate arm, and can actually read a defense.

  4. bloggingpoodlewalker says: Nov 8, 2011 6:04 PM

    Palmer is going to be an awesome quarterback for Oakland for the next five years, at least,..however the defense is flat out awful, the worst in the NFL…look for overhauled D in 2012 with agressive attacking system like Pittsburgs,…3-4,…but with regards to Palmer, hes awesome. Period.

  5. southtexasraider says: Nov 8, 2011 6:07 PM

    Palmer with more practices will just look better and better. but of course the haters will always hate and say he is washed up. mcfadden is hurt so its time to use the Bush/Jones 1 2 punch to open up an already stout run game. RAIDER FAHQIN NATION BABY!

  6. mistersmith22 says: Nov 8, 2011 6:08 PM

    Palmer getting signed was the best personnel move any team has made this year. I don’t even care if it results in a Division title, I don’t care if they don’t win another game: it’s the spirit that counts, especially in the wake of Al Davis’ passing. Nothing any team has done recently speaks more to the ethos of, “Just win, baby!”

    And that’s what football should be about. I’m not even a Raiders fan — but it’s what football SHOULD be about.

  7. raideralex99 says: Nov 8, 2011 6:28 PM

    Only the Raider haters are upset the Raiders got Palmer because they know what’s coming in the near future. It’s been awhile since the Raiders had a good QB … I see making the playoffs with Palmer … if not this season next year for sure especially once Palmer gets a full season under his belt.

  8. jackfnburton says: Nov 8, 2011 6:29 PM

    Palmer will be fine. He hasn’t even been in the Bay Area a month. Give the guy a break. It’ll come together. I can’t guarantee the Raiders will get what they paid for, but it’ll come together.

  9. redrifle14 says: Nov 8, 2011 6:30 PM

    We had Palmer and TJ and all of these guys in their prime for years, and it produced a whopping ZERO playoff wins. Now they are all 30 something has beens with nothing left, and yet Oakland thinks they are going to win the SB. LOL. Somebody needs a drink of cold reality here…..

  10. marcsasharc says: Nov 8, 2011 6:34 PM

    i like Cosell’s insight and i agree with him that Palmer made some good throws, but his velocity statement is ridiculous, and borderline insane.

    anyone who has watched, and recorded the games can tell he sails many throws like he did on his INTs. his pick 6 vs KC was a weakly thrown ball on a route where a bullet pass is the only pass a QB can make. he was inaccurate vs Denver on about half his throws, and he showed poor arm strength on about 10-12 throws. at best Palmer shows an average arm and at worst he shows a Pennington arm.

    you can bash all you want but i have the tape in front of me. its so obvious that its laughable Cosell said that, if in fact he did.

  11. humb0lt says: Nov 8, 2011 6:40 PM

    After half a season of Carson Palmer, Jason Campbell will return as the Raiders’ starting QB in 2012. Maybe late 2011.

    Palmer walked out on his last team because it was too dysfunctional. Wait until he’s in the Raiders organization for a few months.

  12. ch8878 says: Nov 8, 2011 6:44 PM

    Its hard to believe the Raiders beat the Jets and Texans in Texas, but I think the truth is the Defense has been exposed after this year they need to cut Huff, Chris Johnson and they way over paid for Kamerion Wimbley the only good thing on the Defense is the 2 DT’s.

  13. tdk24 says: Nov 8, 2011 6:47 PM

    I feel somewhat vindicated now. I have watched all of Carson’s throws this year and said that behind those INT’s are some great throws and how once he gels with this offense, it could be something very special. It seems others that frequent this site are way A.D.D. or something and can’t put the whole situation into perspective. Everything this team has gone through the last 4 weeks has been a shock. They will get settled and be a scary team down the stretch. Worse case senario, they are building a very strong 2012 campaign.

  14. dondiraider says: Nov 8, 2011 7:06 PM

    I totally agree with tdk24! Scoring 24 pts with one full week of practice and some AMAZING THROWS ( even ESPN showed them and they hate the Raiders!) is a good starting point for the second half of 2011 and certainly 2012.

  15. redruckus81 says: Nov 8, 2011 7:14 PM

    Palmer will just crumble as soon as he needs to do more than just hand the ball off like he did in Cincinatti.

    Cant say trading for him was the worst move ever since the Raiders only other options were Boller and Pryor but they gave up way too much for a broken down QB who hasnt been good for 3 years now

  16. snarkzilla says: Nov 8, 2011 7:27 PM

    28-0 whipping at home. Loss to the Broncos. You can’t get those back. So you’re grooming a 33 year old QB for next year and hoping the effects of those injuries go away.

    You may want to check in with the Vikings.

  17. scoob766 says: Nov 8, 2011 7:36 PM

    Raiders it’s not too late to Suck for Luck! Oh wait it is you gave up your first round pick. Anyone excited about this pick up is just a fan of the Raiders. I am not a “hater”, but looking at this trade ANY possible way it’s horrible. If he doesn’t make the Superbowl, HORRIBLE, fact is they won’t even make the playoffs this year playing how they are.

  18. cincinnasti says: Nov 8, 2011 7:43 PM

    Coming from a Cincinnati fan that was always an apologists for Carson’s mistakes.. Watching him is a flashback and continues to prove I was wrong about him not being at fault for the a lot of the things he did here in Cincinnati… He reached his peak, got hurt a couple of times, gets afraid and makes horrible decisions that end up with the defense in the end zone… Not to mention he’s obviously a me first, stubborn locker room guy..

  19. jjackwagon says: Nov 8, 2011 7:50 PM

    9-7 will probably win the AFC West, between the Chiefs Chargers and Raiders, the Raiders have the easiest schedule, perfect opportunity to take the lead in the Div this week but they screwed that up. The way things are going maybe 8-8 wins the division, but it won’t be the Raiders.

  20. rraider says: Nov 8, 2011 7:52 PM

    The Raiders problems are all about chemistry and idenity. Hue made a bold move but in the process threw aside some guys(groves, hagan,campbell, hayward bey,..) that had been working hard. This is a run 1st team and Hue is trying to turn it into a pass 1st team at midseason. This defense isnt built to withstand lots of turnovers or a bunch of 3 pass and out series.

    Where is all the dynamic play calling that defined him a month ago? I have seen more of Carson Palmers face on TV than I can stomach.

    Hue isnt ready to be GM & coach. This team desparetly needs a win.

  21. rexismybff says: Nov 8, 2011 8:04 PM

    Yeah, funny how everyone is so “focused on the interceptions”. He only has 6 in 2 horrible losses to inferior teams that have destroyed their division lead.

    What’s wrong Raiders? Can’t find a good God-fearing kid to run the option??

  22. Dave H says: Nov 8, 2011 8:17 PM

    Hey Gregg,

    Next time you talk to Greg Cosell can you ask him why the “best football show on television” aka NFL Matchup is on at such a late hour on Saturuday night on the west coast that it is unwatchable. I think it comes on at 12:30 AM and then there’s the encore presentation at 4:30 AM. TOO LATE!!! I sometimes try to check it out on Sunday Morning, but I can’t really afford to add another 23 minutes to my 10 hours of football viewing on Sunday. Too bad because the show is really great and I actually really enjoy it. Lucky for me the NFLN does “Playbook” and they put it on in a time slot that makes it possible for me to watch it. Ask him that.

  23. iknowurider72 says: Nov 8, 2011 8:44 PM

    Palmer is a quitter. He quit on his team. He never acted as a true leader in cincinnati. I would also get used to Pick 6. He makes bad decisions. He is definitely a good qb, but struggles when it counts.

    As a Bengals fan, I can’t help but hope he continues with his current stats. Don’t be surprised to see 3 picks a game!

  24. iknowurider72 says: Nov 8, 2011 8:45 PM

    Palmer quit on his team. He never acted as a true leader in cincinnati. I would also get used to Pick 6. He makes bad decisions. He is definitely a good qb, but struggles when it counts.

    As a Bengals fan, I can’t help but hope he continues with his current stats. Don’t be surprised to see 3 picks a game!

  25. samoanjungle says: Nov 8, 2011 9:04 PM

    Man, I’m not sure what some of these posters expect from a guy who was sitting on his couch a few weeks ago not expecting to play this year.

    He is known as a rep guy. He needs practice and timing with the receivers. It will take a couple of games minimum. At least he doesn’t have to guess at which route his WR might decide to run as he did with Ocho.

  26. spencodude says: Nov 8, 2011 9:12 PM

    Andy Dalton’s gonna be better…

  27. jbaxt says: Nov 8, 2011 9:13 PM

    Why did Raider fan leave the broncos out of the playoffs? You know the team that’s 1 game out of 1st place and just beat you with a option QB?

  28. devinmr711 says: Nov 8, 2011 9:25 PM

    Once Campbell comes back Palmer will get familiar with the clipboard. Palmer simply just throws too many interceptions at this stage of his career. With that Raiders run game, they just need a QB that manages the game.

  29. cincybert says: Nov 8, 2011 9:55 PM

    Palmer has always been able to make good throws when he has a clean pocket and can step into the throw. But how often does an NFL get that type of perfect protection….maybe 50% of the time? The other times, when Palmer is under pressure or not able to step into the pass, the ball tends to float or he simply gets rid of it to his first receiver and that is where he runs into problems with the bad INTs. In some games, Palmer’s bad throws harmlessly hit the turf, in others, they are returned by DBs for scores. You just never know which it will be. Raiders fans should have already seen this trend in the six quarters Palmer has played for Oakland. I’ll give it 3 more weeks and then we’ll see comments such as “Palmer will be fine” replaced with “Palmer is killing us.”

  30. dlmcc1010 says: Nov 8, 2011 9:56 PM

    You cant have your QB turning the ball over 3 times a game. Thats a killer, especially given that some of his picks wind up getting run back for a TD. You can survive with a mediocre QB if he doesnt turn the ball over- Im talking to you Alex Smith, but not a mediocre one who throws all those INT’s

  31. beastmode92 says: Nov 8, 2011 10:19 PM

    Raiders QB without McFadden is like Rivers without Sproles. Bush is a beast but not huge in the screen game. Boss and our TE’s are primarily blocking TE’s but not big in the pass game. We just got Reece back and he showed up. Palmer will be handing off more with a healthy crew. With McFadden AND Bush, we’d have been running a lot more in the second half. Get a pass catching TE to help open things up. We had no buisness lossing that game. Our D needs to step up, injured or not. 45 minutes doesn’t cut it. Carson will throw picks but he’ll prove his worth. Love Campbell, but never seen him make some of those throws Palmer made.

  32. raiderapologist says: Nov 8, 2011 10:28 PM

    humb0lt says: Nov 8, 2011 6:40 PM

    After half a season of Carson Palmer, Jason Campbell will return as the Raiders’ starting QB in 2012. Maybe late 2011.
    Palmer walked out on his last team because it was too dysfunctional. Wait until he’s in the Raiders organization for a few months.

    It took two Raider quarterbacks to throw two pick 6’s in a little over 2 quarters. One of them had been in town for a few days. It took Philip one half to accomplish the same feat. 11 touchdowns, 19 turnovers this season. humb0lt believes in you, Philip.

  33. negativten says: Nov 8, 2011 10:33 PM

    bloggingpoodlewalker says:
    Nov 8, 2011 6:04 PM
    Palmer is going to be an awesome quarterback for Oakland for the next five years, at least,..however the defense is flat out awful, the worst in the NFL…look for overhauled D in 2012 with agressive attacking system like Pittsburgs,…3-4,…but with regards to Palmer, hes awesome. Period.

    What has Palmer won exactly?
    Raider fan acts like he’s the second coming of Christ!
    Already he’s 0 for 2 in a Raider uniform with 6 pix .Spare me how he hasnt played in 10 months.He’s taking over right where he left off in Cincy

  34. dontrunfromme says: Nov 8, 2011 10:53 PM

    Great pickup. The draft picks given up are well worth it. Draft picks are not a sure thing. Stop hating. Too bad other teams like the colts for example don’t want to compete this year. Obviously they are tanking painter really? Is Collins still concussed from week two. Please

  35. yevrag3535 says: Nov 9, 2011 2:16 AM

    Hia grandfather was a idiot an so is he. If it was fo him he be a nobody. He is terrible.

  36. yevrag3535 says: Nov 9, 2011 2:18 AM

    Palmer sucks and so does Cosell, ,,,,,,,,

  37. CKL says: Nov 9, 2011 2:31 AM

    If he still has elbow issues that affect his throwing ,my guess is they won’t show up until close to the end of the season when he’s had a lot of throws made.

  38. pskotte says: Nov 9, 2011 8:00 AM

    There are times a team needs its QB to put on big boy pants and carry the team on his back through sheer force of will. That takes leadership, determination, heart, and a refusal to quit no matter what the odds. Arm strength – not so much. Carson Quitter has got the arm strength. Good luck with the rest.

  39. tdk24 says: Nov 9, 2011 9:17 AM

    “iknowurider72 says:
    Nov 8, 2011 8:44 PM
    Palmer is a quitter. He quit on his team. He never acted as a true leader in cincinnati. I would also get used to Pick 6. He makes bad decisions. He is definitely a good qb, but struggles when it counts.

    As a Bengals fan, I can’t help but hope he continues with his current stats. Don’t be surprised to see 3 picks a game!”

    Can you blame him? Nobody has ever EVER said “I want to play for the Bengals when i grow up.”
    Nuff said.

  40. raiderapologist says: Nov 9, 2011 8:47 PM

    yevrag3535 says: Nov 9, 2011 2:16 AM

    Hia grandfather was a idiot an so is he. If it was fo him he be a nobody. He is terrible.

    Well said. Yo be good wit words.

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