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Packers stand alone atop the NFL

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Reasonable people can disagree about the identity of the second-best team in the NFL. Maybe it’s the 49ers or the Patriots or the Steelers or the Texans or the Saints or the Giants, or maybe any one of half a dozen other teams that look great one week and bad the next in the topsy-turvy NFL.

But no one can dispute that the Packers stand far above the rest of the league.

The defending Super Bowl champions did it again on Monday night, pummeling the Minnesota Vikings 45-7 to improve to 9-0. The Packers, who squeaked into the playoffs in 2010 before going on a run in the postseason and winning the title, are a better team this year than they were last year, and right now they look like overwhelming favorites to repeat as champions.

Although there had been some concerns in recent weeks that the Packers’ defense wasn’t up to par, that certainly wasn’t the case on Monday night. Green Bay pitched a shutout in the first half, and when Minnesota finally got on the board in the third quarter, it was only because the Vikings recovered a muffed punt at the 14-yard line. The Vikings’ offense couldn’t do anything on Monday night. The Packers’ defense dominated.

And as for the Packers’ offense? Aaron Rodgers may be playing quarterback better than anyone has ever played the position. Against Minnesota, Rodgers completed 23 of 30 passes for 250 yards, with four touchdowns and no interceptions, before being pulled from the game in the fourth quarter to give backup Matt Flynn some playing time. Rodgers has had a passer rating better than 110 every single game this year, and he remains on pace to set a new NFL record for the highest passer rating in a season. He’s looking like a runaway winner of the MVP award.

Could the Packers go 16-0? Could they join the 1972 Miami Dolphins as the only undefeated, untied league champions in NFL history? The odds are still against that: The NFL is so unpredictable that even a seemingly inevitably has a rough week.

But it’s hard to figure which team would beat the Packers. There’s no one even close to as good as Green Bay.

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  1. damnyoulinelliot says: Nov 14, 2011 11:38 PM

    The Pack have this season and SB46 in the bag. Just unbelievable what Rodgers and the gang are doing this season.

  2. apooster says: Nov 14, 2011 11:38 PM

    Leslie Frazier must go.

  3. 7ransponder says: Nov 14, 2011 11:39 PM

    That was ugly. Kudos Pack, you got somethin’ special there.

    On another note, I think Jon Gruden wants to marry Aaron Rodgers.

  4. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Nov 14, 2011 11:39 PM

    What if this really is the last game that Minnesota plays here?

  5. scoops1 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:40 PM

    key stat: 1 penalty for 5yds for the Pack…

  6. trbowman says: Nov 14, 2011 11:40 PM

    Was it just me, or did Rodgers look like he was playing with an injury in the second half?

  7. wahlbergcasket says: Nov 14, 2011 11:41 PM

    Like this post if you’re tired of the A-Rod love fest

  8. rtl1984 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:41 PM

    Eh, at least being a vikings fan is better than being an eagles fan.

    We vikes fans knew that we had a harsh road ahead and had no expectations.

    As for the eagles…yeah.

  9. trbowman says: Nov 14, 2011 11:41 PM

    Also, I was just thinking. If the Pack run the table to get to the Super Bowl, how crazy would it be if they’re playing the Patriots? Definitely possible. Then the Pats are playing the spoiler role like the GMen.

  10. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Nov 14, 2011 11:42 PM

    I can’t wait until next week when we get to play against humans.

  11. canadianvikingfaniii says: Nov 14, 2011 11:42 PM

    Worst secondary ever, not just this year but for the last 5 years. I cannot bear to watch Cedric Griffin
    get stiff armed for 5-10 yards twice a game any longer. Or the other corners and safeties who blow coverages
    on a constant basis. And Linebackers who cannot cover or run stop if their lives depended on it. I thought it
    was supposed to be 11 on 11 not 11 on Jared Allen…

    The offence is a whole different mess. What is with the play calls? Running AP into blitzing unblocked defenders,
    trick plays when you don’t even have the receivers to break open or make plays… This team needs an almost
    complete overhaul including the offensive line which to put lightly is offensive. Then special teams, it has been a mess for as long as the secondary has. Ryan Longwell is
    an accurate kicker but it is sickening to watch his weak leg struggle to kick on kickoffs and fieldgoals with a little wind..

    Can we fire Bill Musgrave yet, outside of horrible play calling he doesn’t use players who can contribute. Greg Camarillo, Lorenzo Booker, Kyle Rudolph who
    barely gets any passing plays where the heck are they on the field? Kyle Rudolph Catches everything!

    Ugh. Packers looked flawless..

  12. packattack1967 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:42 PM

    This is fun.

  13. mataug says: Nov 14, 2011 11:42 PM

    Why doesn’t anybody talk about Leslie Frazier ? He seems to be getting a free pass after the Brad Childress debacle.

  14. jrmbadger says: Nov 14, 2011 11:43 PM

    Almost flawless game by the Packers tonight. That defense looked miles better than last week. I’m not ready to pronounce the defense fixed (because it is the Vikings after all), but this is a good start. Lets so how the D does against Megatron in two weeks – that will be a big test.

    all in all – great game Pack.

    GO PACK GO

  15. trbowman says: Nov 14, 2011 11:43 PM

    Oh, and Matt Flynn is a franchise QB. Whoever gets him this off-season is getting a long-term answer, imo. People have kind of forgotten him, it seems.

  16. green18blue52 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:44 PM

    Favre says, “I’m surprised they didn’t start off 9-0 three years ago.”

  17. howley1 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:44 PM

    Maybe they can do that to a winning team sometime… like the Cowboys did yesterday.

  18. huskersrock1 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:44 PM

    A more interesting question is what will the pack get for Flynn. They have to trade him this year, he is a free agent and wants his own team. I say a first round is fair.

  19. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Nov 14, 2011 11:45 PM

    This was a game where the Vikings had absolutely no margin for error if they were going to keep it close. When the obvious pass interference wasn’t called on the third play of the game, forcing a punt that was then returned for a TD, the game was over. If they could have at least gone one drive without something catastrophic happening, maybe they could have kept it close.

  20. snarkzilla says: Nov 14, 2011 11:46 PM

    As of right now, there’s no way to disagree with MDS. Capers set the D loose tonight and they responded.

  21. Bubby Brister says: Nov 14, 2011 11:46 PM

    I know exactly what team will beat the Packers. It will be whichever team gets hot in December/January. Just a matter of whether they’re in the NFC and they get knocked out of the playoffs or it’s an AFC team that wins the Super Bowl. Do you honestly think the offense is going to look like this in 4 degree weather with wind and/or snow? Factor in what the defense has looked like against semi-legitimate offenses (i.e. not the Vikings) and realize anything can happen. It’s why we watch.

    The Packers really do look unbeatable but, my gosh, we go through this exact same scenario with the defending champs every single year. You’d think by now most people would stop re-crowning them in November.

  22. hansenbrothers says: Nov 14, 2011 11:47 PM

    Don’t mean a thing if you ain’t got the ring.

    Go Pack Go!!

  23. apooster says: Nov 14, 2011 11:47 PM

    If frazier hasn’t lost the team by now, after tonight its over.

  24. neeboy74 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:47 PM

    OHMIGAWD!!!! The Packers let the Queens score a touchdown!!!! Pfffft…ok, haters, whatcha got this week???? Bring it, turkeys….G-O P-A-C-K!!!!

  25. gb4ever0811 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:47 PM

    Aaron had 7 incompletions?!?!?!?! That’s ridiculous! He has to do better! I expect no more than 3 from him, and two of those better be drops…

    lol, j/k. any other QB 7 incompletes are a blessing. Aaron is amazing.

  26. scytherius says: Nov 14, 2011 11:48 PM

    Wow. The D AND O of the Packers having a great game? That happens from now on and no one comes close to beating them all the way through the Super Bowl.

  27. turdfurgerson68 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:48 PM

    No champagne toasts down in Miami this year…Packers are going to be 19-0 by season’s end. They be unstoppable.

  28. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Nov 14, 2011 11:48 PM

    apooster says:
    Nov 14, 2011 11:38 PM
    Leslie Frazier must go.
    __________

    I still think he’s a good coach. We’ll see next year when they get a few more players in here.

  29. jrmbadger says: Nov 14, 2011 11:49 PM

    Pederson – 14 carries 51 yards. Ponder 16/34 190 yards and 1 pick (no TD) – rating: 52.3

  30. phelbin says: Nov 14, 2011 11:50 PM

    “Aaron Rodgers may be playing quarterback better than anyone has ever played the position.”

    I like Aaron Rodgers, but I think this is going too far. Playing at a very high rate? Yes. Among the best? Perhaps. But there’s a very long list quarterbacks that are legitimately in the best-ever discussion, and Rodgers isn’t quite there yet.

  31. rysol says: Nov 14, 2011 11:50 PM

    Nothing will be handed to the Pack and they’ll get every team’s best shot. As dominant as they’ve been, they’re one hard shot to #12 away from obscurity.

    I will say this, however, it’s really, really fun to be a Packer fan these days.

    And the Vikes suck.

  32. Southpaw says: Nov 14, 2011 11:50 PM

    Steelers?! Who the F would be putting them in that convo?? They just got swept by the Ravens a week ago…? I really don’t care who the Ravens lost to this week – they’re still the best team in the division, and ahead of the Steelers in the scope of the league

  33. jrmbadger says: Nov 14, 2011 11:50 PM

    I should also note that the Packers now have a 3 game lead over both Chicago and Detroit with 7 to play.

  34. baegucb says: Nov 14, 2011 11:51 PM

    Jared Allen has class. I wish him well. He joked with Rodgers after a sack, and after the game.

  35. techvet says: Nov 14, 2011 11:51 PM

    Bears and Lions: you can fight it out for the wild card. Have at it.

  36. brewdogg says: Nov 14, 2011 11:51 PM

    Can’t really argue at this point. There really wasn’t a point in the game that I thought the Vikings had a chance. Nice job by GB tonight.

  37. socalboy08 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:52 PM

    just like the patriots were supposed to right…..packers will ride high into the playoffs and get taken out after the first round bye
    ….Go Niners BAby

  38. tremoluxman says: Nov 14, 2011 11:52 PM

    Geez, could Gruden and Jaworski give Rodgers and the Packers more of a sloppy, 3-hour BJ with their commentary?

    And for his next trick, A-Rod will walk on water, cure cancer, and heal the blind.

    Yes, the guy and the team are good, but lighten up with the kissy-face already.

  39. firethorn1001 says: Nov 14, 2011 11:52 PM

    Lucky that the Vikings chance to end the Packers undefeated season motivated them… hate to see what the score would have been if that wasn’t the case.

  40. bvanbvan says: Nov 14, 2011 11:52 PM

    ~SWEEP!

    Oh yeah…. SKOL!

  41. mikemccarthyisfat says: Nov 14, 2011 11:52 PM

    i kid mike mccarthy because i really do admire his style and the type of system he runs. Packers hit the jackpot with a good mind (mccarthy) and a great arm (rodgers). Enjoy it while it lasts.

  42. iambadkid says: Nov 14, 2011 11:53 PM

    yeah matt ryan is better then a-rod matt ryan just lost the game against new orleans because of that stupid 4th down call

  43. staffordsyear says: Nov 14, 2011 11:53 PM

    Well it could be worse lions fans.

  44. medtxpack says: Nov 14, 2011 11:53 PM

    Claymaker had a good game too. Just a complete finish, which the Pack needed…they dont have the easiest schedule the rest of the way but its doable. They only face one sub 500 team as of right now, the Chiefs.

  45. tigobitties says: Nov 14, 2011 11:54 PM

    This was a terrible game by the vikes. That was as bad of a game as i’ve seen in awhile. Don’t know what to say. We need an offensive line that can block, wide outs that can get open, specificly a deep threat. When Percy gets on the sideline it gets difficult. A whole new secondary would be nice too. I was hoping we would give the pack a run for their money again like we did the first time this year. just wasn’t the case.

  46. deconjonesbitchslap says: Nov 14, 2011 11:54 PM

    and thus ends the rivalry between the Minnesota Vikings and Green Bay Packers.

    The Vikings will be sold to an LA buyer in less than 3 months, and will play at USC for 3 years. It’s more of a certainty than the Packers winning the superbowl, and I’d bet the house on that happening.

    Looks like MN loses 2 pro teams this year: Vikings and T’Wolves. Though I think everybody in this country is happy the NBA is about to fail and become lower than soccer. Woo!

  47. yodelpoo says: Nov 14, 2011 11:54 PM

    The Packers have been amazing so far this season. Props to the players and coaches. They make it look so easy.

    Green Bay’s remaining schedule:

    TB
    Detroit
    Giants
    Raiders
    Kansas City
    Bears
    Detroit

    I would say the Lions, Giants & Bears have the best shot of handing the Packer their first loss.
    Though on any given Sunday, anything can happen.

    As amazing as the packers look right now, sorry, I’m not gonna crown the Packers to be Super Bowl champions just yet. I remember the 2007/2008 season.

  48. dwhitehurst says: Nov 14, 2011 11:56 PM

    apooster says:
    Nov 14, 2011 11:38 PM

    Leslie Frazier must go.
    ———————————–

    There they go again….jumping off the wagon as the weather turns less than fair. Gosh its nice being a Packer fan in MN. :)

    There’s no point in trying to console them, or give them hope…like reminding them that the Frazier-led Vikings with a promising rookie QB took the Packers down to the wire the last time. Nope. All it will be now is “Fire Frazier”.

    Be careful what you wish for, Vikings fans. You might lose more than a classy-coach in Frazier. You might lose your team.

    You chose to spend your chips on Favre, as year after year you incessantly choose the ‘quick fix’ free agency route, you know, to cure your Packer envy and add at least one trophy to the case.

    Now you’re on the rebuild mode. But no, you can’t face it, as you unfairly cry, “Fire Frazier!” Karma, Viking fans. Karma. No one to blame but yourselves.

  49. raider23mike says: Nov 14, 2011 11:56 PM

    Wait till they face Oakland

  50. marcsasharc says: Nov 14, 2011 11:57 PM

    in the bag?

    thats a tad premature.

  51. packchampxlv says: Nov 14, 2011 11:57 PM

    Oh, is this the time for the one weekly article on the Super Bowl Champions who are still undefeated? Then we get a week of articles on the Jets, Ravens, Patriots, Giants, Steelers for a week, right? The little town that could.

    -Part Owner of the 9-0 Packers

  52. Andre's Johnson says: Nov 14, 2011 11:58 PM

    Careful with “in the bag,” damnyou.

    No doubt the Packers are the best team, maybe by a mile, but they do play the games, after all.

    No telling what can happen if you match up the Packers against the AFC champion on a neutral field.

  53. Andre's Johnson says: Nov 14, 2011 11:58 PM

    Also, the Niners are going to have something to say about it.

  54. gb4mn0 says: Nov 15, 2011 12:01 AM

    Great game MN. It was tight all the way to the end just like all of you predicted but fortunately for us, the Champs were able to hang on. You lavender Larry’s have a bunch to be proud of.

  55. donlukosino says: Nov 15, 2011 12:04 AM

    “The Pack have this season and SB46 in the bag. Just unbelievable what Rodgers and the gang are doing this season.”

    They said the same thing about the Patriots when they had their perfect season. There are no gimmes in the NFL, and the league wouldn’t be as good if there were.

  56. bearsrulepackdrool says: Nov 15, 2011 12:05 AM

    Bring ‘em. Ask the Lions how we do in Round 2.
    ~ Da Bears.

  57. itwasagoodrun says: Nov 15, 2011 12:07 AM

    Viking fan here. The pack are the class of the nfl right now. Haven’t seen an offense like this since the 98′ vikes. Defense woes are and have been overrated the whole year. They are the total package, only they are capable of getting in their own way. Their 5th receiver could start for 15-20 nfl teams. What I’m trying to figure out is if they’re supremacy is based more on Rodgers or the all world talent around him…?

  58. jayman35 says: Nov 15, 2011 12:07 AM

    The Packers certainly look like the elite team in the NFL, but the Vikings looked straight up awful. Could only stomach one half before having to switch the channel. Just awful.

  59. North American Bowl says: Nov 15, 2011 12:08 AM

    Packers should get another ring.

    Vikings will get a new home.

  60. sixjak says: Nov 15, 2011 12:11 AM

    Ehhhhhhhh it’s the Vikings. The 49ers are 8-1 and thus are not good one week, bad the next up and down. They have won 7 in a row. GB is impressive with how they are dominating their opponents. That said SF DID beat NY without Frank Gore. They make their opponents play their game of misery. But if they need to Alex can chuck it. I think out of all of the teams in the NFC the 9ers are likely the only team with the personnel and coaching staff to make Aaron Rodger’s life miserable. The Giants and Saints certainly can play the shoot out game but I think they come up short. The Saints with their Swiss cheese defense and the Giants and Eli who invariably will throw a game killing pick.
    In the AFC I’d put my money on the Texans. I think the Steelers could give them a good run but I think they’d come up short. I think ppl are going to be puzzled once again when the Steelers get out physicalled by SF. You will all see.

  61. welzy says: Nov 15, 2011 12:11 AM

    Jared Allen “wanted that 7 points”. Looks like he got them.

  62. hblust says: Nov 15, 2011 12:11 AM

    Ted Thompson sure looks like a genius for giving Rodgers the nod of confidence a couple of years ago.

  63. westclaims says: Nov 15, 2011 12:13 AM

    “Aaron Rodgers may be playing quarterback better than anyone has ever played the position”

    Say he’s better than Tom Brady. Let me see PFT put that in print.

    Can’t stand either qb, but you will not see PFT say he’s better than Brady.

  64. stevenbondie says: Nov 15, 2011 12:17 AM

    Since i am an avid vikings fan, i would usually hate the packers, but seriously, Aaron Rodgers, a beast if there ever was one.

  65. mizzouram says: Nov 15, 2011 12:18 AM

    I’ll dispute it. They’re really good but u make them sound unbeatable.

  66. burkem325 says: Nov 15, 2011 12:20 AM

    The Packers stand alone atop the NFL??!?!

    STOP THE PRESSES!!!

  67. donniebmc says: Nov 15, 2011 12:21 AM

    Brett who..?

  68. dawkattack says: Nov 15, 2011 12:23 AM

    49ers are right there they are gonna sneak in and snatch it watch packers d is still soft

  69. jokendave says: Nov 15, 2011 12:24 AM

    I don’t know whats worse. Losing to the Pack, or listening to Gruden spew his love affair for Rodgers. No you can’t fire Frazier til after he’s had reasonable time to put things together. Otherwise every team would be fireing their coaches every game. No the Vikes just need to be more ready for every team. Congrats to GB.

  70. dawkattack says: Nov 15, 2011 12:24 AM

    They were playing the bikes so of course their d looked good lmao

  71. discosucs2005 says: Nov 15, 2011 12:25 AM

    @damnyoulinelliot

    I guess the seasons over. Everyone else go home. I mean, what are the odds a team with a great offense and a subpar but “opportunistic” defense are going to lose? That just never happens.

  72. johnnyshore says: Nov 15, 2011 12:25 AM

    The Packers are very beatable. They do not have a championship caliber defense, and someone will exploit that fact in the playoffs. Wait until a team like San Fran that has a good enough defense to keep the game close plays the Packers. The 49er defense will confuse and abuse Green Bay’s offensive line and put the Pack in a tight situation. Granted, Rodgers is good, but in a tight game it’s going to come down to defenses making stops and ball control, and it’s quite clear that the Packer’s defense will not be able to win a close ballgame for them. Even the Giants have a good enough defense to cause trouble for Green Bay. In the Giants Super Bowl year they beat a more talented Packer team at Lambau in the playoffs.

  73. gwahknows says: Nov 15, 2011 12:25 AM

    Fantastic showing by the packers again tonight. Defense finally had that statement game to show they ain’t no pushover. Aaron Rodgers is unstoppable. James Starks would rush for 100 every night if he got 20 carries a game like most feature backs. Where you at now Detroit internet talkers? #9-0

  74. spreadthecheese says: Nov 15, 2011 12:26 AM

    I’m a huge Packers fan and tonight was a lot of fun to watch. I wish the 16-0 talk would end, though. I could care less about a perfect season. The only thing that matters to me is the Super Bowl.

    One week at a time until the real season — playoff season — begins.

  75. mavajo says: Nov 15, 2011 12:27 AM

    Packers will advance to 10-0 this week against the Bucs, thanks to the lingering memory of November 8, 2009.

  76. dtrb10 says: Nov 15, 2011 12:28 AM

    We need to clean house starting with Rick Spielman. I mean there is no way we can compete with the teams in our division at this point I mean our secondary is so bad it’s comical. The line can’t block anyone. Phil pantload is a bust. It’s rough.

  77. treyanastasio says: Nov 15, 2011 12:29 AM

    Not really much to comment on this article really…anyone with an elementary knowledge of football would agree.

  78. arnoldziffel says: Nov 15, 2011 12:30 AM

    As a lifelong Packer fan, it’s sort of amazing to watch this team roll on.

    But it’s a long season, and anything can happen on any given Sunday, so all we can do is enjoy this one week at a time.

    So far, it’s been an enjoyable journey.

  79. rexpanther says: Nov 15, 2011 12:30 AM

    I’m not sure that reasonable people can argue that the 49ers aren’t the second best team in football…

  80. gwahknows says: Nov 15, 2011 12:36 AM

    Big shoutwhere you at now Detroit?

  81. cdaws84 says: Nov 15, 2011 12:45 AM

    They look good…but they have only played 3 teams with winning records…not that impressive

  82. Johnny Chingas says: Nov 15, 2011 12:49 AM

    Sorry but I’m not drinking the Kool-aide yet…The Pack has only played 2 good teams the Saints and the Chargers…Panthers, Broncos, Vikings, Bears…all weak teams with bad D…Lets see what happens when they play a good Defense. Truth is they might walk into the playoffs but then they will have to play a well rounded team and will probably lose…they have a weak D, no running game and if Rogers was to actually get pressured he wouldn’t be throwing for 5 TD’s a game.

  83. gmenmunny says: Nov 15, 2011 12:54 AM

    @ Giants in 3 weeks. December 4th, 4:15 kickoff. Watch the throne, King Rodgers.

  84. jacktorrancegb says: Nov 15, 2011 12:56 AM

    I absolutely love this Packers defense playing with a chip on their shoulder which became obvious tonight. I hope Capers keeps showing them clips of the various blowhards talking about how bad they are. If they can get through Thanksgiving and at Giants they will go 16-0. They are not going to lose at home this year. God does it feel good to be a hardcore Packers fan right now!!!!

  85. norcalmafia says: Nov 15, 2011 12:57 AM

    There offense looks unstoppable but its gonna have to be cause thats not a championship defense

  86. bullethead527 says: Nov 15, 2011 1:00 AM

    rather see Pack go 19-0 than the New EngcheatersLand…

  87. ishallcomment says: Nov 15, 2011 1:07 AM

    Matt Flynn!

  88. sleazysnake says: Nov 15, 2011 1:07 AM

    Suck it! NFL! Beotches

  89. stevenfbrackett says: Nov 15, 2011 1:08 AM

    As poorly as the Vikings played tonight, I still think they are better than when McNabb was the QB. The whole attitude of the team is different. They play alot harder because they now have quarterback working his tail off and caring about the results. They just aren’t winning because their problems go deeper than just an inexperienced QB. Give then a couple of years a few good drafts/trades and they will be back in the thick of things.

    I even think they will win some game before the end of the year. Maybe two.

    All that said – how sick are the Packers? Even when they let the backup QB get some snaps (something they almost never did when Rodgers was the backup) – he came in and got a touchdown, too.

    Next time they have a blow out they should bring Harrell in. So far he has been pretty unimpressive but they might as well get another look at him and see if he should be kept or dealt for next season.

  90. dlr4skins says: Nov 15, 2011 1:08 AM

    Where is ESPN and its experts predicting those Eagles as champs of everything and anything?

    Vick duped them into trading everything, giving him their cash, and fooling them into doing the opposite of what made them good (signing everyone)!

    Throw that man a bone!

  91. sippindasyzurp says: Nov 15, 2011 1:14 AM

    Was at the game tonight… First time in Green Bay, and I must say they know how to do it up when it comes to football…. Go Pack Go

  92. emotionalfatguy says: Nov 15, 2011 1:15 AM

    I am a Patriots fan and I hate the Packers, and I think this Packers team may go 16-0.

    Packers deep skill position group > Patriots ’07 skill position group.

    Welker wasnt as effective back then, and not discounting Moss (beast) but Watson, Gaffney, Maroney, Stallworth all not very good.

    Consistent O-line play and defense will be the deciding factor of whether or not this team can go undefeated.

    I am interested to see how perfect they go – last two teams who got close to perfect were ’07 Patriots and ’10 Colts. One went for it, other did not. Both lost the superbowl.

  93. niner89 says: Nov 15, 2011 1:16 AM

    Still early. Injuries can always happen. If my Niners ever play them in the playoffs, our defense better play lights out!

  94. hawks49 says: Nov 15, 2011 1:17 AM

    Thank God it has already been determined the Packers are the only good team in the NFL and they have automatically been declared Super Bowl champs…

    I guess there is no reason for me to keep watching my Niners.

    On to the NHL where the Stanley Cup is still up for grabs.

  95. sportsinhd says: Nov 15, 2011 1:17 AM

    It’s a long season, it’s a little premature to hand the Lombardi over to Green Bay. Just to get out of the NFC they are going to have get past three good teams: The Bears, 49’ers, and Giants, all hard-nosed football teams that can win a game in the cold and snow. That’s right, Green Bay’s home field advantage might just work against them. I’m not saying the Packers will lose or anything, just that a hard running football team that plays mistake free offense and hits hard on defense might just beat the Pack, especially in a snowstorm and ten degree weather.

    Over the in AFC it seems way too early to count out the Patriots, Steelers, and Ravens. The Steelers haven’t really been healthy all year, and Brady is Brady, and somedays the Ravens look like contenders.

  96. unintentionalboners says: Nov 15, 2011 1:18 AM

    the cheese stand alone

  97. claymania52 says: Nov 15, 2011 1:21 AM

    Just something to think about in case you have any doubt about Aaron Rodgers dominance. In his last 20 games he has thrown 53 touchdowns and only 8 interceptions. Thats a discount double check

  98. jasku880 says: Nov 15, 2011 1:23 AM

    You could have Rodgers, Jennings, finly, Starks, Crosby, and packers d on your fantasy league, and you will still be #1.

  99. raiderlyfe510 says: Nov 15, 2011 1:25 AM

    We’ll meet ‘em in the Superbowl and knock their asses off the top of the mountain. The Raider Way.

  100. goawayeverybody says: Nov 15, 2011 1:29 AM

    No one will stop the Packers this year. No one. Certainly not the Patriots. Certainly not the Steelers. Most likely not the Saints or the Ravens or anyone else I can think of. There will be no shutting down of Aaron Rodgers who is playing the best football of any quarterback in the history of the NFL. I say this as a non-Packers fan. I do not want the Packers to win, but win the Super Bowl they will, and anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly delusional.

  101. americankris says: Nov 15, 2011 1:32 AM

    Packers O-line and defense will cost them in the playoffs

    kudos to rodgers

  102. theembalmed says: Nov 15, 2011 1:34 AM

    yeah, they are a whole one yard better then the Saints.

  103. sikoix says: Nov 15, 2011 1:40 AM

    Not much to see here. Vikings needed to be almost perfect to have a chance, and they looked like a 2-7 team. Green Bay certainly looked like a 9-0 team.

    Pretty soon Kluwe won’t be able to punt the ball to anyone in the entire division.

    Jared Allen is having the best season I’ve seen from him by a bit, and that’s saying a lot. Too bad it’s wasted on this season. The Ware vs Allen discussion is so close it seems to come down to personal opinion as to which is “better”, but I’m glad Allen is a Viking. To me, he’s the top DE in football this year.

    At this point I’m in draft-watch mode. And stadium-watch mode.

  104. omniscient48 says: Nov 15, 2011 2:00 AM

    The Packers are ridiculously good. It will take an almost perfect game by an opponent and an off-day — I mean a REALLY off-day for Rodgers (but then Matt Flynn is very good) and ALL of the Packer receivers and ALL of their running backs. What are the odds of that?

    They are pretty lucky with the AFC part of their schedule playing Chargers, Broncos, Chiefs and Raiders. To really see how great this team is, we would have to see them against Pats, Jets, Steelers, Ravens — but that won’t happen until the Super Bowl.

  105. bischof21 says: Nov 15, 2011 2:00 AM

    Packers are the best team in the NFL. That being said I’d make a bet right now if someone took the Packers and gave me the field to win the Super Bowl. NFL is a tricky league.

  106. toonsterwu says: Nov 15, 2011 2:02 AM

    I think it is far too early to suggest that any team has the Super Bowl “in the bag”. Yes, the Packers are the clear favorites, but they beat a bad team tonight (and I like Leslie Frazier as a coach, but he’s got a rookie QB, average OL, and holes in the secondary, not exactly the best situation to work with). Too soon for me to say they have the SB “in the bag”.

    The team that beats the Packers will need to have a strong DL, steady safety play, and the ability to pound the ball. Not many teams match up like that on paper, but the Week 16 re-match against Chicago looks like it’ll be a fascinating tussle, assuming the Bears defense is still as strong, and they can gel on the offensive line, now that Williams is out. The 49ers could be a fascinating playoff matchup, as the Niners front 7 might be as good as it gets right now, particularly the linebackers. The Giants are another good matchup, and if the Cowboys run game stays strong, that’d be an intriguing situation. Brees and Co. would obviously be another good match-up considering how they started the year. I could see a couple AFC teams put together strong enough matches against the Packers in the Super Bowl, if the Packers get there (if you get the good Ravens, that would be a fascinating match-up. If Carson gels in Oakland, that’d be dang fascinating. The Texans run game may be good enough to give them a fighting chance if they get to the Super Bowl.)

    I’m not trying to blast the Packers – just not sure anything is in the bag yet in regards to the Super Bowl.

  107. east96st says: Nov 15, 2011 2:02 AM

    If I had a vote, I would vote for Rodgers in a heartbeat. But to be fair to all the QBs that have gone before him, NO QB has EVER played under so many rules that SO heavily favor the offense and the QB and so neuter the defense. Is he having a great year? Absolutely. But saying he’s playing it better than anyone else ever has, without mentioning how much the rules changes have benefited him, is insulting to all the great one that went before. Can you imagine what Montana and Rice would do with these rules? What Unitas would have done? Can you imagine what “Air” Coryell would have looked like? Rodgers is a great QB. But all time…? I’m not buying that one yet.

  108. packattackisback says: Nov 15, 2011 2:04 AM

    The Packers actually had a pass rush today, and what a difference it made. Charles Woodson had so many highlights all over the field (stopping Adrian Peterson in his tracks was awesome), it was like a montage displaying how incredibly versatile he is. The Vikings were completely destroyed, which is always enjoyable.

    And, um, All Hail Aaron Rodgers.

  109. areuinsane says: Nov 15, 2011 2:21 AM

    I’m a diehard Packer fan from Wisconsin, but it’s a bit of a stretch to say the Pack is clearly better than the 49ers right now, but if there is anything obvious right now it’s who the second best team is.

    The Steelers might be #2? New England? The second best team in the NFC North is probably better than the best team in the AFC.

  110. hastekilled says: Nov 15, 2011 2:24 AM

    Every team the Packer have played had either a losing record or even record except for the Chargers. Not saying that means anything but I’d like to see them play a playoff caliber team before people talk about a perfect season or anointing them SB champs already.

  111. heisthejuan says: Nov 15, 2011 2:27 AM

    Another Rodgers concussion, and it’s all over.

  112. mtstrecker says: Nov 15, 2011 2:36 AM

    The Oakland Raiders will beat them on December 11th. You heard it here first.

  113. 4evrnyt says: Nov 15, 2011 2:36 AM

    Hyperbolize much?

  114. dspohn55 says: Nov 15, 2011 2:39 AM

    Premature to say that Super Bowl 46 is in the bag.. the defense hasn’t been as dominant as last season. But damn is Aaron Rodgers in a groove. He is on pace to have the most passing yards ever in a season, highest completion percentage ever in a season, highest QB rating ever in a season and most touchdown passes ever in a season.

  115. dspohn55 says: Nov 15, 2011 2:41 AM

    Let’s see Leslie Frazier work with something besides a rookie QB and Michael Jenkins and Devin Aromashodu as his starting receivers.

  116. raideralex99 says: Nov 15, 2011 2:41 AM

    I agree the Packers look very good but seriously they played the Vikings twice, Rams, Panthers, Broncos … infact the Chargers were the only team they beat that was above .500 at the time they played.

  117. mikeb4u says: Nov 15, 2011 2:51 AM

    I can’t disagree with that, the Packers are a “good” team, only because of Rodgers. Without Rodgers they are a 500 team. Nevertheless, the Packers will not go 16-0, nor go to the SB. The Bears have a Christmas present for Rodgers and company–a defeat on Christmas day. A Christmas present that keeps on giving with a defeat of the Packers, if they’re still playing, for the NFC Championship game.

    As for Rodgers QB rating, when ever he has played the Bears his QB RAT is always substandard–expect more of that.

    The Packers still suck…

  118. johngaltwho says: Nov 15, 2011 3:12 AM

    I don’t think it would be wise to call for the ouster of a coach after his team is defeated by The Packers. There aren’t enough qualified replacements waiting in the wings.

  119. hauts81 says: Nov 15, 2011 3:39 AM

    they can’t sustain this level of play forever. my guess is they stumble a bit late in the season and then get knocked out in the playoffs. seems like that’s how it usually goes for the unbeatable teams.

  120. gimmeabruschi says: Nov 15, 2011 4:13 AM

    They look like the best. But that schedule has been a factor. It ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings.

  121. philyeagles5 says: Nov 15, 2011 4:52 AM

    im not ready to say the Packers are better than the 49ers this year. they are an ot loss away from 9-0 and their defense is A LOT better than the Packers.

  122. childressrulz says: Nov 15, 2011 4:58 AM

    Obviously a rookie QB and a bland offense like Minnesota’s offense is no real test to measure this defense against. That said the Packers can only play the schedule they are given. Everyone the Packers beat becomes unworthy. I think the 49ers, Giants, and Lions are all capable of beating the Packers. Is it likely…No but there is a snowballs chance in hell like 1 in 50 they could win if they knock Rodgers out or something.

  123. packmanfan says: Nov 15, 2011 5:07 AM

    And in a related story, 45,000 more NFL fans have just become fans of the Green Bay Packers while a record of 100,000 blogs are calling the Packers “cheaters.” a “fluke” and proclaiming the ‘roids finally arrived at Clay’s locker.
    I don’t mind bandwagon fans or haters.
    It must mean the Pack is doing something right.

  124. balledoutdotcom says: Nov 15, 2011 5:13 AM

    Rodgers BalledOut again! Wow! Amazing fantasy numbers. Dude has a Hose!

  125. billymc75 says: Nov 15, 2011 5:24 AM

    I’ve never seen a more creampuff schedule after a SB win, have they played any first place teams yet? Oh yea week one against the Saints, it’ll catch up with them in the playoffs .

  126. arrogantathlete says: Nov 15, 2011 5:36 AM

    The vikings need to get out of that division. Oh I know, move to LA.

  127. theandy59 says: Nov 15, 2011 5:42 AM

    The Packers are dominant, clearly the best team in the league. But let’s remember what we all thought of the 07 Patriots after 9 games. And we know how that turned out…..

  128. JMil_ATL says: Nov 15, 2011 5:43 AM

    Here’s to hoping that their first loss is their first game to be played in the playoffs (first round will be a bye, I’m sure). That will make up for their luck of even being in the playoffs last year.

    Yes you are correct, I’m not a fan of the Packers. So what, someone has to root against them. Might as well be me.

  129. beretta96d says: Nov 15, 2011 5:44 AM

    damnyoulinelliot says:Nov 14, 2011 11:38 PM

    The Pack have this season and SB46 in the bag. Just unbelievable what Rodgers and the gang are doing this season.

    Think so? I said the exact same thing when the patriots lost to the giants! It isn’t over until it’s 0:00 of game 19!

  130. foobarfoofoo says: Nov 15, 2011 5:46 AM

    When was the last time the team which had the MVP also won the SB?

    Exactly.

  131. august1969 says: Nov 15, 2011 5:59 AM

    damnyoulinelliot says:Nov 14, 2011 11:38 PM

    The Pack have this season and SB46 in the bag. Just unbelievable what Rodgers and the gang are doing this season.

    Anyone remember the 2007 Patriots?

  132. rajuncajun28 says: Nov 15, 2011 6:06 AM

    Packers will ultimately fail….luck only runs so long….but, they should ride this for as long as they can, because if I lived in small town of nowhere, wi, I would want something to distract from a miserable life of cheese, ice fishing and snow in a boring, small midwest town…

  133. kisstherings says: Nov 15, 2011 6:12 AM

    And nobody can dispute the fact that none of that matters half way through the season. Pats looked pretty unbeatable in 2007.

    The Packers will lose in the regular season and they will lose in the playoffs. Helped in doing so by the fact that idiots in the press feel the need to enshrine them and the pressure that comes with it half way through the season.

    Let the games play out. They were one bad by Sean Payton away from losing to the Saints in week one, and almost lost to Newton and the Panthers a few weeks after that. They are playing great ball but are beatable and anything can happen in the playoffs.

  134. thevikes85 says: Nov 15, 2011 6:12 AM

    Congrats to the packers, they were just much better than we were,then again they are better than any team in the league.

  135. onetobeamup says: Nov 15, 2011 6:27 AM

    They will lose to the Bucs. Classic trap game looking forward to the Lions on Thanksgiving.

  136. packfaninchitown says: Nov 15, 2011 6:49 AM

    Welcome to Valhalla Mr. Ponder, we hope you enjoyed your stay…

  137. larondontlikeugly says: Nov 15, 2011 6:58 AM

    This article could have been about 460 characters shorter. I enjoyed you on TV bro, but I like my PFT laced with obnoxiously quick-witted sarcasm and irrelevant Seinfeld references.

    It’s not you, it’s me.

  138. juanhughjazz says: Nov 15, 2011 6:58 AM

    1 penalty for 5 yards for a whole game? Serious?

  139. dlmcc1010 says: Nov 15, 2011 7:07 AM

    anything can happen in the postseason. All it takes is one team to get hot at the right time, like the Giants did in 2007. Take a look at the road games that team won when everyone expected them to be one and done in Dallas that year.

    Thats the beauty of the NFL. Its so hard to repeat. That being said, the Packers are easily the best team in the NFL. I expected their defense to show up at home against an overmatched Vikings team. Even when their defense sucks, Aaron Rodgers is unbelieveable and makes up in points what the defense lacks in stops. Im not a Packers fan but I give credit where credit is due. This team is awesome. They drafted well and their coaching staff does a tremendous job. I wouldnt bet against them being a dynasty over the next few years

  140. zoxitic says: Nov 15, 2011 7:11 AM

    Listen. Hear that sound?

    Ponder falling back down to earth.

  141. garyman1 says: Nov 15, 2011 7:21 AM

    I’m about as big a Packer fan as there can be….and grew up watching them. I think they are clearly the best team in football right now and I thoroughly enjoyed beating up on the Vikings for the fourth straight time last night.

    With that said, even I am getting sick of hearing Ron Jaworski heap continuous praise on Aaron Rodgers…. after every completion.

  142. tdonn says: Nov 15, 2011 7:30 AM

    packmanfan says:
    Nov 15, 2011 5:07 AM
    And in a related story, 45,000 more NFL fans have just become fans of the Green Bay Packers while a record of 100,000 blogs are calling the Packers “cheaters.” a “fluke” and proclaiming the ‘roids finally arrived at Clay’s locker.
    I don’t mind bandwagon fans or haters.
    It must mean the Pack is doing something right.

    As a lifelong Pats fan (Born and raised in Maine)… Welcome to the circus…It only gets worse.

  143. borderline1988 says: Nov 15, 2011 7:31 AM

    It’s really hard to go 16-0.

    That being said, the only team that could beat the Packers is one with:

    1) a high octane offense that doesn’t make many mistakes b/c the Packers defense makes you pay for your mistakes more than any other team in the league

    2) a defense with a fantastic pass rush. The secondary barely matters – it’s impossible to deny Rodgers completions when he has any kind of time. But Rodgers does get sacked a lot b/c the offensive line is banged up and weak. The only time Minnesota could stop Rodgers is when Jarred Allen got to him.

    That’s why I don’t like the 49ers or Bucs against the Packers…both have quarterbacks who are prone to mistakes.
    Packers have never scored less than 24 points in a game, and have hit 40 points almost 50% of their games. You better put up 30 against them without mistakes or you’re not going to beat them

  144. whatwouldlombardido says: Nov 15, 2011 7:36 AM

    Go Pack Go!

  145. uwsptke says: Nov 15, 2011 7:43 AM

    “They were one bad by Sean Payton away from losing to the Saints in week one”

    How many times will people bring this up incorrectly? They needed to score, then would have had to successfully convert a 2 point try, and then have to get the ball in overtime and score again. They were THREE scoring plays away from victory. Anyone who actually watched that game realizes it was not that close.

  146. angelosdraftboard says: Nov 15, 2011 7:51 AM

    I’m a Bear fan and pretty much a Packer hater (jealous) but have to admit this team looks unstoppable right now. The defense is still suspect but when you get to always play with a lead and your offense is scoring 45 points defense doesn’t matter. The days of Trent Dilfer playing on a SB winning team are over. It’s a new game and all the meatballs out there need to accept that defenses and running backs aren’t going to lead to championships anymore. STILL THE UGLIEST UNIFORMS IN FOOTBALL.

  147. 13forgbp says: Nov 15, 2011 7:58 AM

    The schedule posts are getting a little tiresome. They can only play who is on their schedule. And NO – – the Saints were not one play away from beating them. The Packers won that game by 8. The Saints would have needed to score a TD, convert the 2 point and then score again to win in OT. This one play nonsense is ignorant.

    They beat everyone else, including Chicago, Atlanta and San Diego on the road. Not horrible teams.

    Everyone used to love the Packers when they were just a small town good story . . . now that they are the dominant force in the NFL, here comes they hate. Think about what that says about you.

  148. muckhappy says: Nov 15, 2011 8:01 AM

    The packers are playing great right now and will be the #1 seed in the playoffs. My question is what happens in the playoffs when they are at home with bad field conditions in the snow and sloppy turf. As great as an offense as the pack have they are not built to play in less than optimal condtions. That would be the one way that I see them losing to SF or another run first team. Jmo.

  149. catchhester23 says: Nov 15, 2011 8:08 AM

    Hopefully the bears can beat them christmas day it would be a great gift. We have lost to them 3 in a row time to end that. The way the bears are playing lately its possible always a close game. The bears are the only team that can slow rodgers down they just need to score more than 13 points.

  150. oriolesvsravens says: Nov 15, 2011 8:10 AM

    A question for Viking fans and NFC North observers. Did Pat Williams and Ray Edwards make a big difference on that defense? Seems like that Cowboy playoff game wasn’t that long ago.

  151. discosucs2005 says: Nov 15, 2011 8:19 AM

    @uwsptke

    “‘They were one bad by Sean Payton away from losing to the Saints in week one

    How many times will people bring this up incorrectly? They needed to score, then would have had to successfully convert a 2 point try, and then have to get the ball in overtime and score again. They were THREE scoring plays away from victory. Anyone who actually watched that game realizes it was not that close.”

    ___________________________________

    Point well taken, but I feel you fall victim to the same temptation of attempting to alter history, however slightly. When you say “it was not that close,” it implies the Packers were in firm control. The Saints were not 2 yards away from winning the game, but they were 2 yards away in a one score game. That’s pretty close. But really, who cares? When the Pats had their big run, they were one missed called away from blowing it against the Ravens, but the record remains the same.

    The Packers are at the point where there is no more excuse to make. They could have had a tougher schedule, but no schedule is so easy that a subpar team can go 9-0. (Barring injury) the only thing that will stop them from getting to, and probably winning the Super Bowl is weather. They’re one fault is that they probably wont be able to rely on their running game or their defense if they had to. If there is some giant snow storm in Wisconsin, or New Jersey, or some weird wins in San Francisco that derails the passing game, the Packers could get upset. I’m sure there is one raving Packer fan that disagrees with that assessment, but it’s not unreasonable.

  152. really2011 says: Nov 15, 2011 8:19 AM

    uwsptke says:
    Nov 15, 2011 7:43 AM
    “They were one bad by Sean Payton away from losing to the Saints in week one”

    How many times will people bring this up incorrectly? They needed to score, then would have had to successfully convert a 2 point try, and then have to get the ball in overtime and score again. They were THREE scoring plays away from victory. Anyone who actually watched that game realizes it was not that close.

    ————————————————-

    Saints fan here – I agree with your post. The more accurate statement is both the Saints and the Chargers spotted you 14+ points and had a chance to win/tie late in the game. That being said the Packers are playing unbelievable this season and the 2nd place team is not good enough to beat them right now (doesn’t matter who it is). Styles make fights though and snow can have an impact on the style of offense. Should be an interesting last few weeks in the NFL.

  153. snaponrules says: Nov 15, 2011 8:23 AM

    Highest QB rating means absolutely nothing.
    Tebust had over a 100 qb rating and only completed 2 passes in an ENTIRE game.
    AR is playing very good and you can tell that him and his 5 (VERY GOOD)receivers have been playing together for years.
    To me it just shows how good a job the GM has done to not only get good players but to keep them all. Something hard to do in today’s NFL.
    As a fan of a team who has been stuck with Angelo for years, trust me it makes a difference. :)

  154. discosucs2005 says: Nov 15, 2011 8:23 AM

    @borderline1988

    “That’s why I don’t like the 49ers or Bucs against the Packers…both have quarterbacks who are prone to mistakes.”

    Uhm…no. Alex Smith is not mistake prone this year by any possible measure. I still think he sucks, but saying he’s mistake prone this season means you don’t know what you’re talking about, which means I don’t take anything you say seriously.

  155. packfaninthehook says: Nov 15, 2011 8:24 AM

    The Super Bowl is not even close to being in the bag, but let’s not act like the Packers have had a soft schedule. I think we’ve been through this already.

    Wins vs. Saints, @Bears, @Falcons, @Chargers. It’s not been a murderer’s row for sure and the toughest tests are ahead. But they haven’t had Cincy’s schedule.

  156. edgerules says: Nov 15, 2011 8:34 AM

    Wow. So PFT is joining the chorus of media calling Rodgers the best QB ever. Really? The guy better get 5 rings to jump ahead of Montana and Bradshaw to even get in the discussion.

  157. snarkzilla says: Nov 15, 2011 8:41 AM

    Game objectives:
    1. Win. Check.
    2. Don’t get hurt. Check.

    McCarthy is reporting 0 injuries.

  158. thejuddstir says: Nov 15, 2011 8:44 AM

    It’s not like the Packers needed any help in destroying the lowly Vikings but I have seen several packer games this year and while everyone else focuses on their offensive stats etc., one stat that no one hardly mentions is the penalty disparity in their games. Last nites game was a great example. They were going to kick azz on the Vikings no matter what but yet penalties were Vikings 10 and Packers only 1. There is no team in the NFL that holds more than the Packers and hopefully they start getting called for it. I wonder if the officials aren’t so in awe of A. Rodgers etc. that they forget to do their assignments?

  159. snarkzilla says: Nov 15, 2011 9:16 AM

    Most of the comments about where Rodgers ranks among all QBs are off-target. I’m not ready to rank his career quite yet either. But the 9 game season opening streak he’s on is historic. It is the all time best.

  160. 7ransponder says: Nov 15, 2011 9:17 AM

    scoops1 says:
    Nov 14, 2011 11:40 PM
    key stat: 1 penalty for 5yds for the Pack…
    ——————–
    To be fair, that was because there were a LOT of non-calls in that game.

  161. notdemfalcons says: Nov 15, 2011 9:23 AM

    blah blah blah … come back when they’ve actually won something other than regular season games.
    Seriously, just ask any Patriots fan about 18-1, they’ll tell ya.

  162. 7ransponder says: Nov 15, 2011 9:31 AM

    I love how you incredibly mean spirited Packer fans are using this loss as some doom saying event, like your team winning against the Vikings is now the determining factor in them getting a new stadium. Fact: this loss changes nothing regarding the stadium debate.

    This is really unfounded and uncalled for, you should be ashamed. You know, if you see my previous comment, you’ll see that I’m more than willing to give credit where credit is due, your team rocks. But the more vitriol I hear coming out your mouths, the more I can’t wait for someone to knock your hubris-filled over-swelling of pride down 10 notches. Pride for your team is one thing, but wishing ill will on another is ridiculously unsportsmanlike.

  163. pack13queens0 says: Nov 15, 2011 9:38 AM

    With the way the Queens played last night they might not win another game all season. Looks like a 2-14 with the rest of the home games blacked out & Zygi announcing a move to LA are in the future.

  164. atxpatfan says: Nov 15, 2011 10:06 AM

    Now I understand how the rest of the country felt about the Patriots in ’07. Sorry…

    The Aaron Rodgers love fest is getting tiresome.

  165. jhumbe says: Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM

    … remember hearing the same about the 2007 Patriots.

  166. edsbay says: Nov 15, 2011 10:29 AM

    I have not missed a Packers snap in probably 4 years so I get to see the entire effort week in and week out.

    It was good to see a total team balanced effort last night since early in the season. Jordy Nelson is so fricking under rated. That pass where he stiff armed and ran for the touchdown was sick!

    Also – throw some credit to what Charles Woodson did last nite. He dropped another pick 6 which would have been a record and he was everywhere last nite. Dude is such a baller and seems like he is getting better by the game this year.

    Anyone that says Clay Matthews (including you Jon Gruden) is having a bad year is stupid. Just because his sack numbers are not up there does not mean he is disrupting plays all over the line that the NFL has no stats for. The Packer D is playing better and getting healthy at the same time.

    Can’t even talk about the offense…simply ridiculous….I would say Ryan Grant looks slow but James Starks runs hard and pounds it….keep his carries down so they can get in the playoffs with a healthly starts.

    Talking about going undefeated is still off based but as the weeks go on it seems they are getting better and better…..Rodgers was 23-30 last nite and 2 of those he through out of bounds on purpose….Starks dropped another easy one….I would say he could have been 26 or 27 of 30.

    Historic year! Enjoy it cuz you may not see another unselfish team offense like this anytime soon.

    GO PACK GO!

  167. i3addog says: Nov 15, 2011 10:31 AM

    Way too much love for my Packers. How will they ever live up to all the expectations ?

  168. jessethegreat says: Nov 15, 2011 10:33 AM

    I hope you trolls continue to doubt the Packers. But. But. But. “They will lose to ….. because…..” Keep throwing darts up. We don’t like that you don’t respect the best team in the game, but it means a little more each time we get to rub it in.
    ——————————————————–
    I don’t know about the rest of my Packers faithful, but I’m starting my countdown.
    9 down, 10 more to go.

  169. smoothjimmyapollo says: Nov 15, 2011 10:33 AM

    “The guy better get 5 rings to jump ahead of Montana and Bradshaw to even get in the discussion”

    You can’t go on ring count alone because then Bradshaw is better than Brady, Manning, Favre, Unitas, Marino, Elway and I don’t think anybody who has seen any of those guys play would argue that he is. You also have to remember that Bradshaw played his entire career without unrestricted free agency and Montana played most of his career under the same circumstances. That’s why those dynasties were able to stay together.

  170. axespray says: Nov 15, 2011 10:55 AM

    “The guy better get 5 rings to jump ahead of Montana and Bradshaw to even get in the discussion”

    bart starr is sitting in a house somewhere looking at his trophy case filled with 5 nfl championships.

    was at the game, fun.
    the tailgate was great, there was this viking fan in this awesome pimp outfit, funny dude, some trash talking, but no fighting.

  171. jessethegreat says: Nov 15, 2011 10:59 AM

    The cheese stands alone. Meanwhile, the other 31 teams are waiting paitiently in line for the opportunity to get on their knees and service him.

  172. matpoh says: Nov 15, 2011 10:59 AM

    They look tough, but looking at their schedule, they don’t have a bunch of convincing wins over quality opponents. Saints and Falcons were the two biggest challenges. NFC North isn’t that much competition for them. If they were playing the Ravens and Steelers twice a year, it might be a different story.

    BUT since they have almost been crowned already, if they end up 19-0, I think it would be cool to skip the Pro-Bowl and have the AFC Pro-Bowl players take on the Packers. It would be a fun game to watch if there were incentives for all the players/coaches to give max effort to winning that.

  173. purpleisreallypinkyouknow says: Nov 15, 2011 11:00 AM

    7ransponder says:Nov 15, 2011 9:17 AM

    scoops1 says:
    Nov 14, 2011 11:40 PM
    key stat: 1 penalty for 5yds for the Pack…
    ——————–
    To be fair, that was because there were a LOT of non-calls in that game.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Spoken by a true whiner.

    I suppose you missed the offensive PI on the flea flicker that the Packers picked, or the dozen or so times the Vikings offensive line were holding the Pack’s D line…in an order to make this game less than a complete laugher than it was…?

    And what’s with Allen cattle ropin’ when you’re down by 2 dozen points?? Guy’s a beast but jesus, give ‘em his Village People fan club and backstage pass credentials already.

  174. j0esixpack says: Nov 15, 2011 11:00 AM

    It’s good to see that the majority of football fans know something special when they see it.

    The Packers ARE the best team in football by far. It’s tough to imagine anyone beating them – especially in this warped off-seasonless season that put so many teams at a major disadvantage.

    But that shouldn’t be an asterisk for them – they’d probably be undefeated in any season the way they’re playing.

  175. rodgerthat says: Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM

    Like my grandaddy used to say….
    When you are on top you take all the shots. :)
    Go Pack! Its gonna start getting a lot tougher now!

  176. shaggytoodle says: Nov 15, 2011 12:23 PM

    I hope the Packers play better the 2nd half of the season, than the first, like they have the last two years.

  177. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Nov 15, 2011 12:32 PM

    7ransponder says:
    Nov 15, 2011 9:31 AM
    I love how you incredibly mean spirited Packer fans are using this loss as some doom saying event, like your team winning against the Vikings is now the determining factor in them getting a new stadium. Fact: this loss changes nothing regarding the stadium debate.

    This is really unfounded and uncalled for, you should be ashamed. You know, if you see my previous comment, you’ll see that I’m more than willing to give credit where credit is due, your team rocks. But the more vitriol I hear coming out your mouths, the more I can’t wait for someone to knock your hubris-filled over-swelling of pride down 10 notches. Pride for your team is one thing, but wishing ill will on another is ridiculously unsportsmanlike.
    ____________

    Well said. I know there are many Packer fans who are rooting for the Vikings to stay in town but a large proportion are really not cool about it. I guess we can take some pride in the fact that no matter how good their team is, many Packer fans will always have an irrational obsession with the Vikings.

  178. packerfan12 says: Nov 15, 2011 12:48 PM

    Hmm….Our front seven got pressure and our secondary looked almost as good as they did the year before….go figure. If Mike Neal comes back and plays the role that Cullen Jenkins did, and frees up the constant double team on Matthews, the Packers defense could be pretty scary heading into the play-offs.

    People may dumb down the win because it’s against the Vikings at home, but the fact is they went out there and didn’t just win, but won convincingly.

  179. bordner says: Nov 15, 2011 1:19 PM

    I might still be a little hungover, but did I just read a post on here with the words “vitriol” and “hubris” in it?

  180. chitownmatt says: Nov 15, 2011 1:55 PM

    The best team in November is rarely the best team in January…

  181. smurky28 says: Nov 15, 2011 1:59 PM

    We got discount double checked all night-Ouch!

  182. pack13queens0 says: Nov 15, 2011 2:23 PM

    thankheavenfornumberseven says:
    Nov 15, 2011 12:32 PM

    I know there are many Packer fans who are rooting for the Vikings to stay in town
    ___________________________________
    Not me. I’m cheering for them to go to Los Angeles where they will be much better supported & also I can watch every Packer game without having to pay $350 for Sunday Ticket.

  183. stavreafavre says: Nov 15, 2011 4:15 PM

    Rodgers ia getting too much love…
    Yeah well when your team is 9-0 and you’re putting up historic numbers, that’ll happen. Sure it gets said a lot, but then how many times have “commentators” here brought up the point that the Packers haven’t played all playoff-calibre teams so far this year? (And I really love the ones who don’t “count” New Orleans as a team with a winning record because both teams were 0-0 at the time.)
    Packers are by no means invincible, but fact remains everyone else has lost at least one this year. They’re pretty good, and Rodgers is north of pretty good.
    Personally I’d just as soon see the ‘9ers get the #1 seed. I think they have a better chance of beating the Packers in Wisconsin in January than they do in California. You just don’t want to face this passing attack in good weather, no matter who you are.
    Glad the Vikes had two weeks to prepare for the game. Could have been really ugly otherwise.

  184. staffordsyear says: Nov 15, 2011 4:40 PM

    Im drooling for the thanksgiving game,It will be fun to knock the pack off their pedestal.

  185. gb4mn0 says: Nov 15, 2011 6:57 PM

    thankheavenfornumberseven says:
    Nov 15, 2011 12:32 PM
    7ransponder says:
    Nov 15, 2011 9:31 AM
    I love how you incredibly mean spirited Packer fans are using this loss as some doom saying event, like your team winning against the Vikings is now the determining factor in them getting a new stadium. Fact: this loss changes nothing regarding the stadium debate.

    This is really unfounded and uncalled for, you should be ashamed. You know, if you see my previous comment, you’ll see that I’m more than willing to give credit where credit is due, your team rocks. But the more vitriol I hear coming out your mouths, the more I can’t wait for someone to knock your hubris-filled over-swelling of pride down 10 notches. Pride for your team is one thing, but wishing ill will on another is ridiculously unsportsmanlike.
    ____________

    Well said. I know there are many Packer fans who are rooting for the Vikings to stay in town but a large proportion are really not cool about it. I guess we can take some pride in the fact that no matter how good their team is, many Packer fans will always have an irrational obsession with the Vikings.
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    If I may speak for all the Pack faithful on here that reading childish, sour grape comments like yours is what makes it so much fun for us to tweak you. We have history on our side and until that history field is leveled or you vikequeen twits lose your unmerited arrogant attitude we will continue to enjoy goading you and grating on you. Don’t you understand that you make yourselves easy targets? Get over yourselves.

  186. ak54304 says: Nov 15, 2011 10:00 PM

    @uwsptke:

    By any chance were you in TKE at Point? A guy I went to school with (at Point) was the president a few years ago.

    If I’m totally off base disregard, but your username got me curious.

    Anyway, that was a fun game to watch. I like these Packers. (But not their defense).

  187. trey14jewels says: Nov 15, 2011 10:56 PM

    Dear 49ers fans,

    San Francisco has the 26th ranked passing defense in the league. San Diego had the 5th ranked pass defense and Green Bay dropped 45 on them.

    Just sayin’

  188. tejano2k says: Nov 16, 2011 3:20 AM

    And they rear their ugly heads…”Haters are motivators!” All this talk about the Packers playing sub-par teams, having a non-championship defense and such is useless. They play a predetermined SCHEDULE of games. Nobody picks and chooses their schedule. Weak/Strong divisions come and go year in and year out. In the division, the Bears and Lions are to be reckoned with. 49ers are playing great ball. All of them are good teams. However, The Pack has proven, that at this point of the season, they are clearly the best team in the NFL. Is Rodgers the best ever? That may be a little premature considering all the Greats in NFL history. Barring injury, he’s well on his way to that status. His numbers are undeniably “through the roof” and he shows no signs of slowing down. GO PACKERS!!!

  189. nowathand twitter.com/Chris_M_Bach says: Nov 16, 2011 4:08 AM

    Why the Ravens may be closer to the Packers than you think:

    1. Pretty much all of their new starters – Bryant McKinnie, Torrey Smith, Bernard Pollard, Ed Dickson, Vonta Leach – have brought good contributions. Lee Evans is supposed to finally play healthy Sunday vs. the Bengals.

    2. They still have 4 defensive players who are top 10 at their position – Williams, Johnson, Lewis and Suggs – and 2 additional defensive players who are top 4 at their position: Ngata and Reed.

    3. Cam Cameron is doing a better job as well. In both the Jaguars and Seahawks games, the offense moved better in the second half but had two possession taken away. In the Jaguars game, phantom pass interference and unnecessary roughness calls – maligned by the MNF crew – took two possessions from them. In Seattle, David Reed coughed up the ball twice on kickoffs, taking away two possessions from the offense.

    4. Being a young team, it’s very likely that they will continue to mature as they get closer to the playoffs.

    5. Statistically, they aren’t that far apart. Going into this weekend, the Ravens had a point differential of +78, the Packers . The Ravens have beaten the 7-win Texans, the 7-win Steelers twice, and the 5-win Jets. The Packers have defeated three teams with more than 5 wins each, only one with 7 wins. The Ravens have four victories of 15 points or more. The Packers have three.

  190. golonger says: Nov 16, 2011 5:19 PM

    the Pack is great but….they will cool down as the season goes on….just as the Pats did. Also, their defense is going to be their downfall…they will NOT win the SB again, sorry!….not happening!

  191. thridandlong says: Nov 16, 2011 8:04 PM

    nowathand twitter.com/Chris_M_Bach says:
    Nov 16, 2011 4:08 AM
    Why the Ravens may be closer to the Packers than you think:

    1. Pretty much all of their new starters – Bryant McKinnie, Torrey Smith, Bernard Pollard, Ed Dickson, Vonta Leach – have brought good contributions. Lee Evans is supposed to finally play healthy Sunday vs. the Bengals.

    2. They still have 4 defensive players who are top 10 at their position – Williams, Johnson, Lewis and Suggs – and 2 additional defensive players who are top 4 at their position: Ngata and Reed.

    3. Cam Cameron is doing a better job as well. In both the Jaguars and Seahawks games, the offense moved better in the second half but had two possession taken away. In the Jaguars game, phantom pass interference and unnecessary roughness calls – maligned by the MNF crew – took two possessions from them. In Seattle, David Reed coughed up the ball twice on kickoffs, taking away two possessions from the offense.

    4. Being a young team, it’s very likely that they will continue to mature as they get closer to the playoffs.

    5. Statistically, they aren’t that far apart. Going into this weekend, the Ravens had a point differential of +78, the Packers . The Ravens have beaten the 7-win Texans, the 7-win Steelers twice, and the 5-win Jets. The Packers have defeated three teams with more than 5 wins each, only one with 7 wins. The Ravens have four victories of 15 points or more. The Packers have three.

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    Nowathand, you, my friend, have too much time on your hands. Bottom line, yes, the Ravens are good…a bit inconsistent. Losing to Seattle hurt you.

    On a brighter note, all you have to do is be better than the Pack for 60 minutes.

  192. jessethegreat says: Nov 16, 2011 9:49 PM

    sixjak says:
    Nov 15, 2011 12:11 AM
    Ehhhhhhhh it’s the Vikings. The 49ers are 8-1 and thus are not good one week, bad the next up and down. They have won 7 in a row. GB is impressive with how they are dominating their opponents. That said SF DID beat NY without Frank Gore. They make their opponents play their game of misery. But if they need to Alex can chuck it. I think out of all of the teams in the NFC the 9ers are likely the only team with the personnel and coaching staff to make Aaron Rodger’s life miserable. The Giants and Saints certainly can play the shoot out game but I think they come up short. The Saints with their Swiss cheese defense and the Giants and Eli who invariably will throw a game killing pick.
    In the AFC I’d put my money on the Texans. I think the Steelers could give them a good run but I think they’d come up short. I think ppl are going to be puzzled once again when the Steelers get out physicalled by SF. You will all see.
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    You put Alex Smith ahead of Eli? Alex Smith! You do realize you’re comparing a never has been to a man who was absolutely clutch in the Super Bowl already in his career?

    You still favor the Texans without their franchise QB? It’s cute that they run the ball well, but to win a Super Bowl they’re going to have to keep up by passing and Matt Leinart is not going to pass enough to win against the Packers.

  193. brewdogg says: Nov 17, 2011 12:46 AM

    gb4mn0 says:
    Nov 15, 2011 6:57 PM
    —————————
    If I may speak for all the Pack faithful on here that reading childish, sour grape comments like yours is what makes it so much fun for us to tweak you. We have history on our side and until that history field is leveled or you vikequeen twits lose your unmerited arrogant attitude we will continue to enjoy goading you and grating on you. Don’t you understand that you make yourselves easy targets? Get over yourselves.

    ———————————

    Oh, I get it now…. It’s perfectly acceptable to behave in a childish fashion if the team you are currently fronting yourself as a fan of has a couple of shiny trophies. Just like the rich kid who thinks he can push his way to the front of the lunch line at school, or the guy who doesn’t feel the need to abide by laws because he can afford a good lawyer.

    Somehow I get the feeling that you don’t speak for all the Pack faithful. I’m guessing you’re more of a Louis Farrakhan, and Vikings fans are the Jews. Get over yourself.

  194. sfwillis52 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:56 PM

    Dear 49ers fans,

    San Francisco has the 26th ranked passing defense in the league. San Diego had the 5th ranked pass defense and Green Bay dropped 45 on them.

    Just sayin’
    __________________________________
    Don’t get so consumed with stats there, buddy. Last time I checked, yards don’t show up on the score board. I would let teams have 1000 yards on offense against my team any day as long as we prevented them from scoring. The passing yards against us may not look too great, but that’s because teams have to throw on us for 2 reasons. 1) They are usually behind. 2) They can’t run on us. We still have 12 INT’s, and our redzone defense is best in the league. Up until last week, we were the only team that kept Calvin Johnson out of the endzone.

  195. trey14jewels says: Nov 18, 2011 1:11 AM

    Dear 49ers fans,

    San Francisco has the 26th ranked passing defense in the league. San Diego had the 5th ranked pass defense and Green Bay dropped 45 on them.

    Just sayin’
    __________________________________
    Don’t get so consumed with stats there, buddy. Last time I checked, yards don’t show up on the score board. I would let teams have 1000 yards on offense against my team any day as long as we prevented them from scoring. The passing yards against us may not look too great, but that’s because teams have to throw on us for 2 reasons. 1) They are usually behind. 2) They can’t run on us. We still have 12 INT’s, and our redzone defense is best in the league. Up until last week, we were the only team that kept Calvin Johnson out of the endzone.
    ___________________________________

    You’re right, I won’t put too much stock in any of the stats you just mentioned.First off, telling me that teams “have” to pass on you and then bragging about your interception count is funny but for good measure, i’ll see your 12 and raise you another 5 for a league leading 17. Secondly, when it comes to redzone defense, Minnesota is ranked top 10 too. 78 points in 2 games says it didn’t mean a thing. Finally, 6 of the 8 worst rushing teams in the league you guys have played, so that rush defense doesn’t mean much either. That includes Detroit, and without a run game, your secondary was free to double Megatron all game and he still had 7 for 113.

    I’ll let you think about who on the Packers the 49ers can double team.

  196. sfwillis52 says: Nov 18, 2011 12:02 PM

    Thanks for telling me Johnson’s numbers for that game. You must not have read my post. I don’t care how much teams move the ball on us. We keep them out of the end zone. That’s all that matters. Go back and watch that game. Not only were we not double covering Johnson the entire game, but we didn’t even have Carlos Rodgers on him half the time. We also haven’t even had our #2 corner the entire year. And I wasn’t bragging about the INT count. I was stating it to show that even with the yards we are allowing, we are still forcing turnovers. Turnovers have more value than yards as well. Since you love talking about yards so much, and you think we had easy teams to stop against the run this year, how about you go back through the last 38 games or so. That’s how many games its been since the Niners allowed a 100 yard rusher, champ. Don’t even try to compare the Vikings redzone to the Niners. Teams score less than 1/3 of the time they are in the redzone against the Niners. That is huge. So we eliminate the rushing game, and don’t let teams score on a short field. Why was Starks so big for you guys in the playoffs last year??? Once the weather gets worse, and the year drags on into the playoffs, the run game becomes important. Keep living in your dilusional world where you think a team that is completly 1 dimensional can not be stopped. How did that work out for the Patriots? Let’s not forget that the Niners have the 2nd best special teams in football. Akers is not missing, and 5 for 5 from 50+, Andy Lee is one of the top 2 punters in the league, and Ginn puts us in the 2nd best starting field position in the league. Overall, we are the best TEAM in the league. We have all of the components to succeed. Just because the Packers haven’t been stopped yet, doesn’t mean they won’t be.

  197. trey14jewels says: Nov 18, 2011 8:05 PM

    Are you kidding me? For the most part, double teaming means 1 corner and safety help over the top. In the 49ers case, they were lining up 2 guys on him at the line of scrimmage. They even had clips of it on ESPN as a “blueprint” to stop him. So why don’t you go back and watch the game. I’ve been doing you a favor and only talking about the current season since I can respect what the 49ers are doing. Since you love talking about past seasons and “the last 38 games or so”, when was the last time the 49ers had a winning season? Oh that’s right, 2002. Meanwhile, the defending super bowl champions keep on rolling. Starks broke 100 yards once and scored 1 td the entire playoffs. Aaron Rodgers carried the team, so you can keep your “important” run game. The Cowboys and Bengals already proved that anyone with a halfway decent run defense can shut down Frank Gore anyway. Keep living in your dilusional world that the 49ers are the best team in the league with Alex Smith at the helm, and the rest of us will watch them get exposed in 2 weeks against Baltimore.

  198. sfwillis52 says: Nov 18, 2011 9:35 PM

    Hahahahaha…you are crazy man. The only reason I mentioned the last 38 games was because you tried to downgrade what we have done against the run this year. I never mentioned anything about our run offense. Tell me, what happens if/when Rodgers has an off day??? You guys all of a sudden become an average team. That’s what makes the Niners the best TEAM in the league. We don’t need to depend on any 1 guy. Gore has had 4 awful games this year. We have needed Alex Smith to step up 3 times and he delivered. Teams are doing everything they can to stop Patrick Willis on defense, and we have guys you have never heard of like Bowman, McDonald, Brooks, Haralson, and Aldon Smith all stepping up to make up for it. Akers has been solid, but even when he missed his only 2 kicks in 1 game, we still pulled off a 20 point comeback. Our WR’s have been injury plagued all year, and Alex is still like the 7th ranked QB in the league. Lets not forget, this system is still new to the entire team. As the year keeps moving, and we keep learning, we are only going to get better. All it takes for you guys to lose is 1 injury to Rodgers or 1 subpar game by him in the playoffs and your season is over. If you are okay with that, then so be it

  199. whidbeyboy says: Nov 20, 2011 4:43 PM

    To say that have already won SB46 is bad luck. I can remember a lot of good teams in the same boat who failed to win the big one. I could care less if they lose any save for the last one (think Pats). In fact, a loss can strrengthen the team when they are so use to being ahead, they get use to the fact and never give up when the going gets tough.

  200. travisblink619 says: Nov 21, 2011 7:00 PM

    I just wish the Packers would lose already, so that we could stop talking about Aa-Rod being the second coming of Jesus.

  201. trey14jewels says: Nov 25, 2011 1:15 AM

    Like I said, EXPOSED. So much for “best TEAM in the league”. Meanwhile…. 11-0 baby!!

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