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Special session not expected for Vikings stadium

Minnesota Gov Mark Dayton looks at watch as he signs budget bills in St. Paul Reuters

When it comes to the Vikings stadium situation, Minnesota politicians seem to be out of touch.  And they’re nearly out of time.

The Vikings believe the lease expires on January 1, and they won’t do a short-term extension absent firm plans for the construction of a new stadium.  At one point, Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton (pictured) planned to call a special session of the Legislature aimed at resolving, once and for all, the Vikings’ stadium situation.  The special session was expected to commence on November 21.

With November 21 only four days away and no special session called yet, it’s clear that a special session won’t be happening in the short term.

Instead, the Minnesota Senate will hold a pair of all-day hearings regarding the situation.  The first, on November 29, will address the location of the proposed stadium, focusing on the Arden Hills site preferred by the team and three possible locations in Minneapolis.  Then, on December 6, the Senate will delve into funding possibilities to come up with $650 million that would be coupled with the $400 million contribution from the Vikings and the NFL.

Previously, the proposal called for Ramsey County to impose a sales tax that would raise $350 million, which would require the state to come up with only $300 million.  But legislative leaders have decided that the local sales tax won’t fly, even though the powers-that-be in Ramsey County were willing to do it.

On Tuesday, Dayton described the chances of a special session as “doubtful,” which means that the Vikings stadium proposal will be lumped into an election-year regular session that starts in January, which will increase the likelihood that the legislators’ positions will be influenced more by their own interests in getting re-elected and less by the question of whether devoting public funds to a new facility meshes with the best interests of the citizens whom they represent.

It also sets the stage for a possible legal battle regarding the question of whether the Vikings become free agents after the final game of the 2011 season, or whether they must remain in the Metrodome for one more year.

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  1. minkytails says: Nov 17, 2011 9:09 AM

    The only special session that should happen in Minnesota is Mr Wilf having a special session with other private business owners to determine how to privately pay for this stadium. There should be NO public money for this stadium, including any tax on sports memorabilia or casinos.

  2. minkytails says: Nov 17, 2011 9:09 AM

    Looks like Dayton needs a digital watch, hopefully less confusing for him.

  3. kane337 says: Nov 17, 2011 9:12 AM

    Why can’t the Vikings and the NFL at least pay more than half?

  4. smarterthantheaveragebearfan says: Nov 17, 2011 9:17 AM

    “When it comes to the Vikings stadium situation, Minnesota politicians seem to be out of touch.”

    ———————–

    You couldn’t be more wrong. The mood of their constituents (and the entire country for that matter) is against this stadium.

    The far right demand ‘No more taxes!” for anything. That includes roads, bridges, schools, AND football stadiums The far left demands “no corporate welfare” to companies seeking handouts from the public. And especially so when the one with his hand out is a mulch-billionaire who could write a check for the whole thing (like Bob Kraft did)

    Throw in the threats and the extortion angle (“Unless you give us money we will move the Vikes”) played by both the team and the league and its no wonder there is no outcry from the population for a special session.

    Out of touch? In this case it seems the politicians finally ARE in touch with the electorate.

  5. minkytails says: Nov 17, 2011 9:17 AM

    “legislators’ positions will be influenced more by their own interests in getting re-elected and less by the question of whether devoting public funds to a new facility meshes with the best interests of the citizens whom they represent”

    This isn’t a discussion about taxing people to fund cancer research, or rebuilding a city after a flood. This is about a recreational stadium which will primarily benefit a corporation, and only potentially benefit taxpayers. In this case, the voice of the people is the only opinion that matters.

  6. notalib says: Nov 17, 2011 9:22 AM

    If it wasn’t for the Viking fans being so annoying I would almost feel sorry that they are going to lose their team, almost….

  7. billinva says: Nov 17, 2011 9:22 AM

    Why should the public pay for any of this?

  8. comeonnowguys says: Nov 17, 2011 9:24 AM

    California…
    Knows how to party…

    Califo-o-rnia….
    Knows how to party…

  9. das14 says: Nov 17, 2011 9:38 AM

    Please NFL. Make an example out of Minnesota. I love my Vikings but this WILL NEVER GET DONE. These buffoons had the twins playing in that dome for 27 plus years. We had a garbage bag for a right field wall for decades. This dang thing has collapsed TWICE! Do something!

  10. glac1 says: Nov 17, 2011 9:38 AM

    why waste taxpayer money on a special session when there is NO plan on the table. Local authorities, local constituents and the team should have a viable plan in place. They still don’t. It’s obvious nobody is eager to step to the plate and prove they want the team in their neighborhood.

  11. butlers91 says: Nov 17, 2011 9:43 AM

    kane337 says:
    Nov 17, 2011 9:12 AM
    Why can’t the Vikings and the NFL at least pay more than half?
    =========
    Because Los Angeles is offering a better deal than that.

  12. cjw1197 says: Nov 17, 2011 9:49 AM

    @smarterthantheaveragebearfan: I’m sorry, but I disagree with you that “The mood of their constituents (and the entire country for that matter) is against this stadium.” Have you polled every person in Minnesota? I’m not sure what you mean by ‘the entire country’, either.

    The situation is that no public tax dollars are going to be used for the stadium. It will be funded by gambling/pull tab type revenue.

    Also, people use the argument that we are “funding a billionaire”. We aren’t writing a check to Zygi Wilf. We are maintaining a state asset and building a facility that will bring in revenue to the state by hosting events outside of the 10+ NFL games per year.

    It comes down to one question: do you want to have the Vikings here or not? If so, there is an investment to be made to maintain them. If not, I am sure some place else would want to be an NFL city and enjoy the benefits that come with that.

  13. mrpilsner says: Nov 17, 2011 9:49 AM

    as an average Bear fan, I’m in awe of Smarter!

    And, I could not agree more with you!

    My two cents; build downtown, build open air, build by Wilf

  14. kjs7way says: Nov 17, 2011 9:54 AM

    Time to settle this once and for all, someone get Jesse “The Body” Ventura on the phone……….MN you keep America smiling, thanks!!!

  15. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Nov 17, 2011 9:54 AM

    This is your chance viking fans. Let them go, cheer for the Packers and become one of the believers! Another stock sale is coming up soon, so you’ll have the chance to show your support for your new team!

  16. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Nov 17, 2011 10:00 AM

    We’ve known this for weeks. They will probably call a special session for a week before the regular session starts in January. That will allow them to focus completely on the stadium without getting bogged down by other business. That gives them two months to figure out the site and the financing. I think it will happen, but they’d better make sure they know what they’re doing soon.

  17. clintonportisheadd says: Nov 17, 2011 10:02 AM

    The move that the State made in voiding the Ramsey County deal with Wilf is very interesting….

    While most regular folks see the State Legislature forcing a referendum on Ramsey County (whose leaders wanted to tax the locals to help pay for the “Palace on the Plains” ) as a victory for democracy, the little guy, and government transparency I don’t see it that way.

    It looks to me that the power brokers of BOTH parties at the State Capitol were not going to allow these Ramsey County politicians to steal their leverage in shaping any final deal with the Vikes and the NFL. Never mind the fact (as of today) that they don’t have the votes right now to pass any kind of deal. IF a deal gets made then the State leaders ARE going to have a seat at the table! Thats why these same folks (in addition to blowing up the Ramsey County plan) are getting the current Metrodome staff to put the screws to the Vikes about the “force majeure” clause and reminding the Vikes that they have to play at least one more year in the Metrodome by contract.

    Where does it all end? With Wilf selling and/or moving to Los Angeles OR Wilf accepting State funds to help build a new facility in Minneapolis.

    Arden Hills ain’t NEVER going to happen.

  18. cantbelieveitsreal says: Nov 17, 2011 10:06 AM

    While I agree this should be left up to the people ,If they vote no then they have no beef when the Vikes leave for a better deal.

  19. chatham10 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:18 AM

    I love it when they need more meetings, the only good thing meetings accomplish is when they are trying for do what if best for them, like pay raises, better health plans and retirement plans and how to get elected again. The Minneapolis area let the Lakes go, the North Stars go and then they when out and got new teams and got them a place to play. The city will not get another NFL team if they lose the Vikings.

  20. ruvelligwebuike says: Nov 17, 2011 10:31 AM

    Is there any way the US can sell Minnesota to Canada during these talks? Obviously we’d have to pay Canada a lot of money, but there are some good points to owning Minnesota.

    For example…the world’s second largest mall, Betty’s Pies in Two Harbors…I’m sure there’s more if you dig deep.

  21. bradshawlives says: Nov 17, 2011 10:52 AM

    It’s obvious the politcians and people of Minnesota are lukewarm about keeping the Vikings in Minnesota. And that’s OK. But they shouldn’t complain when another city takes the team. Wilf is a businessman and the best business deal for him is probably not in Minnesota.

  22. gmen1987 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:59 AM

    chatham10 says:
    Nov 17, 2011 10:18 AM
    I love it when they need more meetings, the only good thing meetings accomplish is when they are trying for do what if best for them, like pay raises, better health plans and retirement plans and how to get elected again. The Minneapolis area let the Lakes go, the North Stars go and then they when out and got new teams and got them a place to play. The city will not get another NFL team if they lose the Vikings.

    ————————————————
    Ladies and Gentlemen, your Minnesota Jaguars.

    Not all troubled teams can move to LA. I’m sure other troubled teams will look toward cities that had NFL teams if LA is no longer viable or available. You are not going to be having the LA Vikings, the LA Chargers, the LA Raiders, the LA Jaguars, and the LA Bills.

  23. smoothjimmyapollo says: Nov 17, 2011 11:24 AM

    “They will probably call a special session for a week before the regular session starts in January.”

    I’m not saying this to troll, but I suspect they’ll be packing their boxes by then. The Wilfs can move the team to LA this winter and have a place to stay while their new stadium is being built or they can wait for the politicians in Minnesota to get their act together throughout 2012 and keep playing in their current dump. Should the politicians fail to get it done in MN (and let’s face it, they’re track record hasn’t been great), there might not be an available new LA stadium for them to fall back on after 2012.

  24. dumplingsrbrown says: Nov 17, 2011 11:42 AM

    This issue is DONE. Over. Kaput.

    This debate has been ongoing for nearly a decade and nothing has been accomplished. Does anyone honestly think that politicians are going to come to some agreement about how to spend $600+ million in about a months time now? They’re worried about their ability to get re-elected and the economy is crap. This is a no win situation for politicians, and the easiest out is to stall, stall stall!

    There will be a new team in L.A. soon. Goodell will be happy, Wilf will be happy, NFL fans will be upset but get over it, and sadly Southern California will probably pay little attention for a few years because the team is so awful and will take time to rebuild and hype.

  25. bozosforall says: Nov 17, 2011 12:00 PM

    ruvelligwebuike says:
    Nov 17, 2011 10:31 AM
    Is there any way the US can sell Minnesota to Canada during these talks? Obviously we’d have to pay Canada a lot of money, but there are some good points to owning Minnesota.

    For example…the world’s second largest mall, Betty’s Pies in Two Harbors…I’m sure there’s more if you dig deep.

    __
    How sad is it that the inbred Packer fans are so threatened by Minnesota? Almost rivals the jealousy that Boston has for New York City. Almost.

  26. contra74 says: Nov 17, 2011 12:17 PM

    bozosforall says:
    Nov 17, 2011 12:00 PM
    ruvelligwebuike says:
    Nov 17, 2011 10:31 AM
    Is there any way the US can sell Minnesota to Canada during these talks? Obviously we’d have to pay Canada a lot of money, but there are some good points to owning Minnesota.

    For example…the world’s second largest mall, Betty’s Pies in Two Harbors…I’m sure there’s more if you dig deep.

    __
    How sad is it that the inbred Packer fans are so threatened by Minnesota? Almost rivals the jealousy that Boston has for New York City. Almost.
    —-
    Right!? They got their two wins on the Vikes this year. You would think those ‘fans’ would move on and focus on other things however they stick around because, as sad as it seems, nothing else in their normal lives is more interesting than trolling on Viking threads. As much as they claim we are not their division rivals, they sure do act like it.

  27. fwippel says: Nov 17, 2011 12:22 PM

    Why shouldn’t Wilf pay more than half? Because Los Angeles is offering a better deal than that. Do you think LA is going to ask Wilf for $400 million? No, because LA wants an NFL team, and they’re going to pick up the tab.

    If Minnesota doesn’t want to pitch in to build a new stadium, then don’t complain when Wilf chooses the best offer he gets. One thing’s for sure: it’s not going to be continuing to play in an outdated facility while to state continues to ignore Wilf.

    The sad part about this is that when the Vikings do leave, the Twin Cities and the state will realize the negative economic impact, and then they’ll start pursuing another NFL team by…..you guessed it! Building a new stadium, only this one will be ENTIRELY funded by taxpayers.

    Wilf is offering the state of Minnesota a bargain; they can pitch in part of the cost of the stadium to keep the Vikings, or lose the team, suffer the economic impact, and then build a new stadium for another team entirely on the public dole.

  28. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Nov 17, 2011 12:24 PM

    bozosforall says:
    Nov 17, 2011 12:00 PM
    ruvelligwebuike says:
    Nov 17, 2011 10:31 AM
    Is there any way the US can sell Minnesota to Canada during these talks? Obviously we’d have to pay Canada a lot of money, but there are some good points to owning Minnesota.

    For example…the world’s second largest mall, Betty’s Pies in Two Harbors…I’m sure there’s more if you dig deep.

    __
    How sad is it that the inbred Packer fans are so threatened by Minnesota? Almost rivals the jealousy that Boston has for New York City. Almost.
    _________

    It is sad, but the Betty’s Pies reference made me smile. Maybe they could have a Betty’s Pies booth at the new stadium. That would probably pay for half the stadium by itself.

  29. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Nov 17, 2011 12:28 PM

    @ minkytails -

    Since you are a Packer fan, I don’t think your opinion on the stadium and how it is funded matters. You probably live in Minnesota because so many of you can’t stand to stay in Wisconsin, but funding it with gambling or sports memorabilia taxes isn’t going to hurt you one bit. Your opinion is fueled by nothing but hatred.

  30. buffaloviking says: Nov 17, 2011 12:32 PM

    Get it done. If you think $350mil is a lot of money wait until the team moves. It will cost you Millions more. The Twins and Wild won’t pick up the slack.

  31. 28purple4mvp says: Nov 17, 2011 12:37 PM

    Hey dinkytails you tell me the difference. Tax breaks to 3m to keep them here for jobs and tax
    revenue. Or giving the vikings tax money to build a stadium for jobs and tax revenue-He will build around the stadium motels and gas stations resturants etc. that will be open year around and employ alot of people and get them off the goverments welfare t.i.t.-But you have all the answers. Your tax money can go to football stadium and get some people off of welfare and back to work or your tax money can go to paying the welfare leaches for doing notta.

  32. twesty85 says: Nov 17, 2011 12:41 PM

    i’m pretty sure that if the vikings move to california that wilf will have to sell the vikes which i don’t think he wants to do. i thought both places wanted at least a certain part of the ownership if not all of it?

  33. twesty85 says: Nov 17, 2011 12:44 PM

    i say move it to fargo, north dakota. i bet their state has enough oil money where they could afford a new stadium and who knows maybe the vikings fans from minnesota would travel across the border. nahhh that would never happen.

  34. bozosforall says: Nov 17, 2011 12:50 PM

    Nice to see some of you Minnesota fans finally stand up to the Packer trolls who inhabit this website (only rivaled by the New England bandwagoner fans, circa 2001, who are even bigger losers in life than Packer fans).

  35. ruvelligwebuike says: Nov 17, 2011 1:26 PM

    Kudos to you Viking fans that rise up against the relentless attacks from fans of a state and team that is so far superior to you it isn’t even funny.

    But can you at least do me one favor? Please come up with some new material for God’s sake! Inbred. Jealous. Inbred. Jealous.

    Seriously, do you know anyone from anywhere that is actually inbred? And being jealous of a Minnesotan is like being jealous of a homeless man because he gets free meals at a soup kitchen.

  36. ruvelligwebuike says: Nov 17, 2011 1:29 PM

    @thankheavenfornumberseven-

    Betty’s is phenomenal, but if you ever make it up to the North Shore, check out Rustic Inn. Long waits but it’s worth it.

  37. childressrulz says: Nov 17, 2011 2:38 PM

    Adios Vikings.

  38. gb4mn0 says: Nov 17, 2011 2:49 PM

    bozosforall says:
    Nov 17, 2011 12:00 PM
    ruvelligwebuike says:
    Nov 17, 2011 10:31 AM
    Is there any way the US can sell Minnesota to Canada during these talks? Obviously we’d have to pay Canada a lot of money, but there are some good points to owning Minnesota.

    For example…the world’s second largest mall, Betty’s Pies in Two Harbors…I’m sure there’s more if you dig deep.

    __
    How sad is it that the inbred Packer fans are so threatened by Minnesota? Almost rivals the jealousy that Boston has for New York City. Almost.

    —————————————-
    That’s hilarious. 4 straight over the queens by the defending Champs and just coming off a 45-7 humiliating bludgeoning of your purple excrement balls and we are threatened?

    Sorry but the truth is you MN dolts are such unwittingly easy targets to provoke and another MN simpleton (you) has taken the bait.

  39. teamnorsecore says: Nov 17, 2011 2:53 PM

    HAHA……SCONI!!!!!

  40. gb4mn0 says: Nov 17, 2011 3:00 PM

    Building a new stadium in MN would be like planting a rose in the middle of a manure pile. It won’t change much.

  41. jwh8541 says: Nov 17, 2011 4:23 PM

    Good for Minnesota doing the right thing

    I love pro football but I’m sick of the public paying for these stadiums.

    Its nothing but corporate welfare, socialism for the rich.

    In a year or so Kroenke will come begging in Missouri and I’d rather see the Rams go back to LA then give them millions in tax money.

    Unless they want to give the public partial ownership.

  42. stellarperformance says: Nov 17, 2011 5:42 PM

    Do you know why Packer fans enjoy holding your heads under water until we don’t see any bubbles? It’s because you won’t admit that everything about Minnesota….everything…is nearly identical to Wisconsin. The whole world knows it, but you guys with your sunglasses on top of your heads and your strategic casual scarfs (this old thing?) and cooler-than-thou superiority complexes continue to throw out weak one-syllable insults as though you are something better. Get over yourselves. You aren’t from Seattle or Austin or Boulder. You’re from here…just like us. The only difference? You’re all hat…no cattle.

  43. teamnorsecore says: Nov 17, 2011 6:34 PM

    ruvelligwebuike says:
    Nov 17, 2011 1:26 PM
    Kudos to you Viking fans that rise up against the relentless attacks from fans of a state and team that is so far superior to you it isn’t even funny.

    But can you at least do me one favor? Please come up with some new material for God’s sake! Inbred. Jealous. Inbred. Jealous.

    Seriously, do you know anyone from anywhere that is actually inbred? And being jealous of a Minnesotan is like being jealous of a homeless man because he gets free meals at a soup kitchen.

    ……
    Really??? Wisconsin is superior to Minnesota??? Really??? Have you fried every brain cell in your head on Old Millwaukee? I can’t argue with you on the Vikes-Pack comparison…especially this year (I have loved the Vikes my whole life but you have the whole no trophies argument on me, so Im not going to even try) but could please list some other examples that are not football related (since you already went there and opened up that can of worms)? Why do so many Sconis come to my state to fish in my awesome lakes and take all my fish back to Cheeseville? Why do thousands and thousands of Sconis cross into Minnesota on the I94 bridge everyday to work, yet pretty much no Minnesotans go into Cheeseville to work? Why is the quality and healthiness of life ALWAYS rated higher in Minnesota rather than Sconi? Why are there so many Fortune 500 companies in Minnesota and not in the obscure state to the East? I’d like to hear your reasons for your comments, although I know you look at the world through green and gold glasses and that is reason enough for you Sir. Minnesota > Sconi!!!

  44. teamnorsecore says: Nov 17, 2011 6:43 PM

    I’d like ruvelligwebuike to name 1 thing that makes Wisconsin a superior state to Minnesota, non football related, since he opened up that can of worms. If he can name 1 thing, I’ll name 3 to rebute his claims. Looking at the world through Green And Gold glasses……blind.

  45. pack13queens0 says: Nov 17, 2011 7:25 PM

    I’m looking forward to the day that the Vikings officially announce their move to Los Angeles. And ruvelligwebuike is right about how bad Minnesota is, not just with football but everything. Why is it so many Minnesotans move across the border into Wisconsin but yet Wisconsiners never would move to Minnesota?

  46. ruvelligwebuike says: Nov 17, 2011 7:36 PM

    “Really??? Wisconsin is superior to Minnesota??? Really??? Have you fried every brain cell in your head on Old Millwaukee? I can’t argue with you on the Vikes-Pack comparison…especially this year (I have loved the Vikes my whole life but you have the whole no trophies argument on me, so Im not going to even try) but could please list some other examples that are not football related (since you already went there and opened up that can of worms)? Why do so many Sconis come to my state to fish in my awesome lakes and take all my fish back to Cheeseville? Why do thousands and thousands of Sconis cross into Minnesota on the I94 bridge everyday to work, yet pretty much no Minnesotans go into Cheeseville to work? Why is the quality and healthiness of life ALWAYS rated higher in Minnesota rather than Sconi? Why are there so many Fortune 500 companies in Minnesota and not in the obscure state to the East? I’d like to hear your reasons for your comments, although I know you look at the world through green and gold glasses and that is reason enough for you Sir. Minnesota > Sconi!!!”
    ———————–

    Where should I even start with this?

    Fishing. Walleyes goes to Minnesota with the exception of the Fox River and Green Bay, which make Mille Lacs look like the Dells Trout Pond. Muskies…your lakes have come of age and gone. Remember when you had Cass and Leech and that was it? Then you started your own stocking program…60 years after Wisconsin. That’s why there are now 75 viable musky fisheries in all of Minnesota. There are 144…in Vilas County of Wisconsin. Bass/pan/trout…no comparison. How about salmon/steelhead? No comparison. Minnesota is definitely a phenomenal place to catch perch through the ice if you can stand the excitement.

    Why do Sconnies flock over I94? Look at a map once, son. Minneapolis/St. Paul (your only metro area) is on the Wisconsin border. You’re comparing your only urban area to rural Wisconsin. You think they’d live in MSP and drive to f’in Baldwin to work? People live here and work there. Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay/Appleton, La Crosse, Eau Claire, Wausau, and the countless other cities in Wisconsin that make up a population of 1 million more people than Minnesota isn’t all on the border. Your argument, per usual, holds no water.

    Fortune 500/1000. 23 in Minnesota. 19 in Wisconsin. Go have a Grain Belt Premium in your state’s honor. Have another for your favorite point….you are exactly .071% less fat on average than Sconnies! If I weigh 178 pounds, you weigh 176. Guess where the extra weight comes from?

  47. ruvelligwebuike says: Nov 17, 2011 7:41 PM

    UW system education over Minnesota.

    UW EVERYTHING…sports, life, partying, whatever, over the U of M. You won’t even dare debate this.

    Terrain/scenary

    Hunting, by a margin so large it’s not even funny.

    Demographic makeup…I won’t make any jokes.

    Tourism

    Bar scene in every city.

    That’s a start.

  48. 13curtjp says: Nov 17, 2011 7:44 PM

    I didn’t realize our governor is steve martin

  49. gb4mn0 says: Nov 17, 2011 8:36 PM

    Hey teamnorsecore, I’m sure you listing the U of M’s Gender Clinic which is a world renowned sex reassignment facilities among your list of things that MN is superior to WI in. Nobody would be surprised if you did. Maybe that explains the strong Helga hat sales.

  50. teamnorsecore says: Nov 17, 2011 8:45 PM

    Nice gb4mn0…..really classy….but what do I expect. By the way, Minnesota has won an NFL championship in 1969 since you are counting all of Green Bay’s by the way…..since you probably want to get your facts straight.

  51. teamnorsecore says: Nov 17, 2011 8:47 PM

    Wait…..gb4mn0….I take it back, you have changed your name!!!! Congrats, you finally figured it out after months of people checking you! Way to go Sconi education system!!!

  52. ruvelligwebuike says: Nov 17, 2011 9:11 PM

    “Nice gb4mn0…..really classy….but what do I expect. By the way, Minnesota has won an NFL championship in 1969 since you are counting all of Green Bay’s by the way…..since you probably want to get your facts straight”
    ——————

    Oh my God, so you are complete football idiot on top of this?

    Green Bay has 14 (14!) Championships, so he isn’t even counting a third of them.

    And the Vikings “Championship?” That was the last year before the NFL-AFL merger. They played in the Super Bowl that year and got embarrassed so bad in front of a national audience that I think even Bud Grant cried. Gained 63 yards the entire game. So that was really the same as winning an NFC Championship and the getting pounded in the Super Bowl.

  53. gb4mn0 says: Nov 17, 2011 9:36 PM

    teamnorsecore says:
    Nov 17, 2011 8:47 PM
    Wait…..gb4mn0….I take it back, you have changed your name!!!! Congrats, you finally figured it out after months of people checking you! Way to go Sconi education system!!!

    —————————————

    What a poor pathetic dolt you are.

    GB 4 Lombardi’s, mn ZERO.

    I’ve never changed my name and you just made yourself out to be a bigger fool than I already thought you were.

    Now go back into your dark corner, roll up in the fetal position, pull your foreskin up over your head and go to bed.

  54. pack13queens0 says: Nov 17, 2011 11:10 PM

    Here’s some Wisconsin vs. Minnesota comparisons:

    University of Wisconsin, education level with comparison to schools like Harvard, Yale & Princeton; University of Minnesota, education level with comparsion to Century College. Advantage Wisconsin

    Wisconsin has Nascar Champion Matt Kenseth; Minnesota has hockey. Advantage Wisconsin

    Badgers have been to 4 Rose Bowls in the last 20 years; Gophers haven’t been to any in that span or any BCS Bowls for that matter. Advantage Wisconsin

    Wisconsin loves Country Music; Minnesota loves Rap Music. Advantage Wisconsin

    Wisconsin also has more lakes, better hunting & better fishing.

  55. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Nov 18, 2011 12:46 AM

    If Wisconsin is so great, why does everyone from there move to Minnesota?

  56. brewdogg says: Nov 18, 2011 1:05 AM

    ruvelligwebuike says:
    Nov 17, 2011 7:36 PM

    Where should I even start with this?

    Fishing. Walleyes goes to Minnesota with the exception of the Fox River and Green Bay, which make Mille Lacs look like the Dells Trout Pond. Muskies…your lakes have come of age and gone. Remember when you had Cass and Leech and that was it? Then you started your own stocking program…60 years after Wisconsin. That’s why there are now 75 viable musky fisheries in all of Minnesota. There are 144…in Vilas County of Wisconsin. Bass/pan/trout…no comparison. How about salmon/steelhead? No comparison. Minnesota is definitely a phenomenal place to catch perch through the ice if you can stand the excitement.

    Why do Sconnies flock over I94? Look at a map once, son. Minneapolis/St. Paul (your only metro area) is on the Wisconsin border. You’re comparing your only urban area to rural Wisconsin. You think they’d live in MSP and drive to f’in Baldwin to work? People live here and work there. Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay/Appleton, La Crosse, Eau Claire, Wausau, and the countless other cities in Wisconsin that make up a population of 1 million more people than Minnesota isn’t all on the border. Your argument, per usual, holds no water.

    Fortune 500/1000. 23 in Minnesota. 19 in Wisconsin. Go have a Grain Belt Premium in your state’s honor. Have another for your favorite point….you are exactly .071% less fat on average than Sconnies! If I weigh 178 pounds, you weigh 176. Guess where the extra weight comes from?
    ————————-

    Whoa….. While this is a ridiculous argument to begin with, let’s be clear about a few things.

    To suggest that Wisconsin is less rural than Minnesota is absurd. You list Eau Claire, LaCrosse, and Wausau as examples of Wisconsin urban areas? In that case, outside of the TC metro area (which includes more cities of 50,000+ than all of Wisconsin), you would have to include Rochester, Duluth, St.Cloud, Mankato, and Moorhead as urban areas. The fact is that there are 4 more cities of 50,000+ and 21 more of 20,000+ in Minnesota than Wisconisin. Whose argument doesn’t hold water?

    Fishing. Field and Stream ranked the TC area as the 3rd-best fishing city, behind Miami and San Diego. BR listed the top 25 lakes for bass. No Wisc lake made the cut, but Lake of the Woods did. It also made the WFN list as the best place to catch trophy walleye. At best, this is all subjective, but I would consider it a safe bet that serious fishermen across the country would target Minnesota before Wisconsin.

    Aside from the things listed in the last paragraph, (and just since you started all this) there is also the 16% higher median income in Minnesota, the highest of any state not on the Atlantic coast. The study by Dr Jack Miller rated Minneapolis as the 3rd most literate and St.Paul as the 7th most literate city in the country. 33 of the top 1000 largest publicly traded companies in the country are headquartered in Minnesota, as well as the largest privately owned company in the country (Cargill) and the parent company of the Radisson hotel chain.

    Does this make Minnesota better than Wisconsin? I could care less what people’s opinions are in this regard. We’re talking about lines on a map, designed to streamline government, not divide people. But if you want to argue, come with something more than your opinion.

  57. teamnorsecore says: Nov 18, 2011 1:53 AM

    ruvelligwebuike says:
    Nov 17, 2011 9:11 PM
    “Nice gb4mn0…..really classy….but what do I expect. By the way, Minnesota has won an NFL championship in 1969 since you are counting all of Green Bay’s by the way…..since you probably want to get your facts straight”
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    Oh my God, so you are complete football idiot on top of this?

    Green Bay has 14 (14!) Championships, so he isn’t even counting a third of them.

    And the Vikings “Championship?” That was the last year before the NFL-AFL merger. They played in the Super Bowl that year and got embarrassed so bad in front of a national audience that I think even Bud Grant cried. Gained 63 yards the entire game. So that was really the same as winning an NFC Championship and the getting pounded in the Super Bowl.

    …..
    Hey smart guy, gb4mn0 and pack13queens0 are the same guy……he has been taking crap on here for some time about is non-accurate name of pack13queens0 so he finally got smart and updated to his new, fancier name gb4mn0. I love how you call me a football idiot…….typical, go right to the unsubstantiated insults over the internet, true Packer Backer. We all know that the Pack has won 14 NFL championships….why….. not only because I know the NFL, but because you arrogant Packer fans are on making sure we all know it on a daily basis. The Vikings won one in 1969 and the Packers won most of theirs before the NFL-AFL Merger as well. I will post later on your Minnesota-Wisconsin “better state” debate……which I think is comical, because frankly, its not even a debate…..Minnesota > Wisconsin in 98% of everything!

  58. stellarperformance says: Nov 18, 2011 6:03 AM

    teamnorsecore says: Nov 17, 2011 6:43 PM
    brewdogg says: Nov 18, 2011 1:05 AM

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    All of your “we’re better than you” examples are within minute percentage points of difference when comparing Minnesota with Wisconsin. In other words…virtually identical. But you guys and the minions that have the same superiority complexes as you, still don’t get it. This is a football site. You don’t want to be here. You want “ourpoopdoesnotstink.com”

  59. gmen1987 says: Nov 18, 2011 8:11 AM

    Did anyone on here know that the Green Bay Packers won 14 championships in the NFL?

  60. brewdogg says: Nov 18, 2011 8:27 AM

    stellarperformance says:
    Nov 18, 2011 6:03 AM
    teamnorsecore says: Nov 17, 2011 6:43 PM
    brewdogg says: Nov 18, 2011 1:05 AM

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    All of your “we’re better than you” examples are within minute percentage points of difference when comparing Minnesota with Wisconsin. In other words…virtually identical. But you guys and the minions that have the same superiority complexes as you, still don’t get it. This is a football site. You don’t want to be here. You want “ourpoopdoesnotstink.com”
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    That was kind of the point…..

  61. pack13queens0 says: Nov 18, 2011 8:54 AM

    thankheavenfornumberseven says:
    Nov 18, 2011 12:46 AM
    If Wisconsin is so great, why does everyone from there move to Minnesota?
    ___________________________________
    I believe it’s the other way around. So many Mudducks move to Wisconsin. And pretty much all Packer fans in Minnesota were born & raised in Minnesota, they just prefer to cheer for a World Class team instead of that Purple Puke.

  62. gdeli says: Nov 18, 2011 7:41 PM

    The conversation started out good then just went to crap with all this wi vs mn crap. Get back to the issue!

  63. North American Bowl says: Nov 18, 2011 8:27 PM

    Wilf is offering the state of Minnesota a bargain; they can pitch in part of the cost of the stadium to keep the Vikings, or lose the team, suffer the economic impact, and then build a new stadium for another team entirely on the public dole.

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    Ahem. I live in Minnesota and I think the deal sucks.

    Theres no money to pay for this venue.

    None.

    Wilf would be stupid not to move to Los Angeles.

    Minnesota will get another team that is worthy of being followed.

    See Baltimore, Houston and Cleveland. All lost teams, all were replaced with something far far better.

  64. pack13queens0 says: Nov 18, 2011 8:37 PM

    @ North American Bowl:
    Minnesota will never get another team once the Vikings leave. The NFL knows it made a mistake expanding there in 1961 & all that did was encroach on Packers territory. Minnesota always has been & always will be Packers territory.

  65. brewdogg says: Nov 18, 2011 8:48 PM

    pack13queens0 says:
    Nov 18, 2011 8:37 PM
    @ North American Bowl:
    Minnesota will never get another team once the Vikings leave. The NFL knows it made a mistake expanding there in 1961 & all that did was encroach on Packers territory. Minnesota always has been & always will be Packers territory.
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    If the Packers hadn’t spent a quarter century being the laughingstock of the league shortly after the Vikings were founded, you would probably be right, and the Vikings would have been elsewhere decades ago. However……

  66. banlarson says: Nov 18, 2011 8:56 PM

    I’m a diehard fan, but this situation is contrived by the Wilfs. They are attempting to hold the state hostage. Of course they like the Arden Hills deal, it is overwhelmingly in their favor. They basically run the stadium, get the revenue from it, yet have to pay what will amount to ~ 30% of the cost.

    Call his bluff, do nothing and force him to either pony up his fair share or move the team. End of story, this is b.s.

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