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Time for some fresh criticism of Redskins management

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It’s mid-November. For the 10th time in 12 years under owner Dan Snyder, the Redskins are going to watch the playoffs from home.  (This will mark the fourth straight season.)

That means it’s time for a fresh wave of criticism for how Snyder and his staff run the team. Former Redskins cornerback Carlos Rogers, now with San Francisco, believes the team doesn’t develop its own players.

“They brought in so many guys and gave them all the money and lifted them up and let guys go that they drafted and had been there,” Rogers told Alex Marvez and Gil Brandt on Sirius XM NFL Radio. “I really wasn’t finding them building a team that way. Of course, you’re going to need free agents and some spots you need to fill. But you need to take care of your guys. Take care of home and not let them go. That’s how you build.”

In fairness, Washington did get a lot younger with a boatload of draft picks this year. (Although they clearly miss Rogers.) The Redskins just have to stay patient while getting younger. Rogers also referred to the “drama” that constantly surrounds the team.

“There’s so much drama, so much outside stuff,” Rogers said. “Coaches don’t realize that distracts a lot of players. All the outside stuff resonates.”

Jason Reid of the Washington Post has a solution. He wants G.M. Bruce Allen to take a more forceful role in player personnel.

This doesn’t make a lot of sense to us. Allen is paired with Mike Shanahan because Allen doesn’t get overly involved in player acquisitions. He’s involved elsewhere in football operations. That was the deal when Allen was with Jon Gruden in Tampa, and that’s the deal now.

Right or wrong, this is Mike Shanahan’s show.  That’s what the Redskins are paying for.

Just like in Denver, Shanahan the G.M. needs to do a better job of helping out Shanahan the coach.

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68 Responses to “Time for some fresh criticism of Redskins management”
  1. crashdog says: Nov 17, 2011 9:59 AM

    Shanahan the GM has never helped Shanahan the coach. Shanahan the GM got lucky with a 7th round RB, a QB he inherited, and the best OL coach in the game. Since he lost those 3, his teams have largely been mediocre

  2. foreverengland says: Nov 17, 2011 10:02 AM

    Miss Rogers, are you kidding me? He bit on more double moves than a high school corner. And he must coat his hands with sourdough now, because he broke Redskins’ fans hearts over and over with his stone hands.

  3. boswivel says: Nov 17, 2011 10:04 AM

    Shanahan the retiree should help out Redskins the team.

  4. bcb1999 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:09 AM

    2 playoff trips in 12 years? None since the 2007 season? As a Jaguars fan, that sounds familiar…

    Both the Skins and the Jags have had some real issues in the front office. The hope was that things would look up with Bruce Allen taking over as GM for the Skins, as was the feeling about Gene Smith in Jacksonville. So far, little to show for the moves…

  5. raiderlyfe510 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:13 AM

    I think hiring Shanahan and Bruce Allen was a bad idea.

    Bruce Allen is a good executive, but player personnel is not his strong suit. He doesn’t even have a a scouting background.

    Mike Shanahan has had close to ZERO success without a Hall of Fame QB. If any team needs to be Tanking for Luck…it’s the Redskins.

    That being said, no franchise should tank under any situation. Like the great Lombardi said….If you can accept losing, you can’t win.

  6. chatham10 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:13 AM

    I’m not a Packer fan but the Redskins should look at how they built their team, you do it with the draft and not high priced free agents. The NFL has teams that look for the quick fix and most of the time that does not work.

  7. nflofficeadmin says: Nov 17, 2011 10:13 AM

    The stench of nepotism permeates the air around FedEx Field.

  8. wethog66 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:14 AM

    I love how people who only briefly pay attention to the Skins feel the need to throw out some “fresh criticism” towards the Skins. Speaking as a Skins fan who has lived through the crap that has been the Skins since Gibbs left the first time, I am perfectly fine with what is going on inside the Skins organization right now.

    For the first time there is someone in charge of the Skins that sees the draft as a necessity, not just a means to trade for someone elses leftovers (Mark Brunnell, TJ Duckett, Brandon Lloyd, and Jason Taylor are only a small sample of the players the Skins threw away multiple draft picks to aquire). Sure McNabb could be lumped in the list I described above, but I can’t blame Shanahan of trying to aquire a veteran QB that seemed to have something left in the tank. Anyway, the last 2 years the draft has been used to actually DRAFT young players for this team. Long over due.

    Also, finally there is someone in charge of the team that doesn’t throw huge amounts of FA money at one FA who turns into a turd (Fat Al Haynesworth, Mark Carrier, Adam Archuleta, Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, and Dana Stubblefield are just a few examples as well). Sure the Skins added a lot of FA this year, but they were relatively cheap, young, and have actually lived up to their contracts to this point. The defense was the primary beneficiary of this, and it is much improved over last year.

    Now, hopefully, Shanahan will address the offense this coming offseason both through the draft (QB please) and FA (O-line help).

    I hope Shanahan gets the Skins back to the playoffs in the near future, but if he doesn’t, I will take 3-5 years of him actually running the player personnel department like a grown up because that means the Skins are building from within with the hope a foundation of young players is layed for years to come.

    As for Carlos Rodgers, well sure the Skins could use him (he is an excellent cover corner), but he wanted out 2 years ago and it was time for him to go. And I don’t understand his comments about letting home grown guys go, and the Skins adding to many through FA. The roster Shanahan inherited when he took over was ****. To much money tied up in old, and/or overrated, players. The roster needed to be blown up, and Shanahan is in the 2nd year of putting it back together. IMO, it was something that should of been down when Richie Pettibone was fired almost 20 years ago. But better late than never.

    So criticize all you want, but understand what you are criticizing first. The Skins were a broken franchise that Shanahan is trying to fix. Its not something that can happen in 1, 2, 3, or even 4 years. Will Shanahan succeed? I hope so, but if he doesn’t at least there will be a foundation of young players to build on for the next HC. A foundation that is no longer cracked and crumbling.

  9. 3yardsndust says: Nov 17, 2011 10:15 AM

    They should rearrange the deck chairs a couple more times while the band plays Hail to the Redskins.

  10. well7765 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:22 AM

    To add to my previous post, the main thing we are missing obviously is a qb, but hopefully this season will end on a bright note when we are drafting high enough to get Jones or Barkley (assuming he comes out)

  11. mpayne12 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:28 AM

    Yeah yeah shannahan could have done things better but he inherited a vinny cerrato/dan snyder mess. Who actually thinks in two seasons he could turn the skins in to a contender given the massive lack of quality players. Give them time hopefully next year we’ll have a qb and a few good wr’s added to the mix. Skins were no ordinary rebuild they needed a complete haul over and that takes time.

  12. Waterloo says: Nov 17, 2011 10:29 AM

    Breaking: player criticizes former team with outdated boilerplate criticism copied from someone else’s paper.

    Rogers only played hard in his contract year. I’m glad he’s gone.

  13. 6ball says: Nov 17, 2011 10:29 AM

    .

    If I were a Redskins fan, I’d be organizing “occupy fedex” .

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  14. raiderlyfe510 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:29 AM

    Kyle Shanahan is one of the main problems. He is one of the worst offensive coaches in the league. He wouldn’t even be in the league if it wasnt for his last name.

    Good coaching is not passed on thru genetics. It’s usually passed on through experience and the wisdom obtained by being exposed to multiple good coaches and systems.

  15. snowpea84 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:30 AM

    Shanahan is clearly making improvements there. They are keeping and using more draft picks. They have played much sounder football at points.
    It won’t happen overnight. It will only seem like that if they eventually do turn a corner. Just like the 49’ers. Guys like Patrick Willis didn’t just show up and everythnig changed at once.

  16. wsgullickson says: Nov 17, 2011 10:30 AM

    I don’t mind watching the redskins lose this season if I have a sense that they’re young and improving as opposed to old and riding it out.

    Last years draft and FA class was hopefully an example of how this regime will work as long as they’re in power. Obviously QB and OL need to be addressed during the draft.

  17. orakpowned says: Nov 17, 2011 10:32 AM

    I like how the Redskins are going to watch the playoffs from home yet the eagles with the same record according to PFT still has a chance.

    But yeah we are watching the playoffs from home. Shanny blew his evaluation on qb’s thinking he could win with them. Also needs to let the young skins play instead of brining in David Anderson let Armstrong and Austin play see what they have. Did well with his first draft needs to do better with the next one and find a qb

  18. xpensivewinos says: Nov 17, 2011 10:33 AM

    Shanahan said he could win with Grossman and/or Beck.

    ‘Nuff said.

  19. realitypolice says: Nov 17, 2011 10:42 AM

    Someone should ask Carlos Rogers why he has nearly as many int’s this year (5) as he had in six years in DC (8).

  20. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Nov 17, 2011 10:43 AM

    It’s the Snyder curse. They will not be good again until he sells the team. Period.

  21. realitypolice says: Nov 17, 2011 10:44 AM

    @wethog66:

    For the first time you have someone in charge who thought that John Beck was a viable option at QB and thinks hiring his son was a good idea.

  22. govtminion says: Nov 17, 2011 10:48 AM

    wethog66, get off the PFT comments section- you’re supposed to be running Redskins practice in twenty minutes. And you still suck at drafting, Mr. Shanahan.

  23. getyourownname says: Nov 17, 2011 10:48 AM

    @ wethog66

    You are correct about the pre-Shanny regime, but you are overlooking the poor and critical personnel decisons Shanny alone has made. McNabb? Going with Grossman and Beck?

    Shanny is better than what they had and will restore the Skins to average status, given time. He was however a shiny toy, overhyped coach that Danny Boy could not resist, same as he could not resist signing shiny, overhyped FAs.

    And before nearby Ravens fans crow, remember that the architect of the Skins’ demise – Vinny Cerrato – is now a radio commentator in Bawlmer where fans listen and discuss his personnel assessments of the Ravens as though they were worth discussing.

  24. vtsquirm says: Nov 17, 2011 10:53 AM

    so much of the problem is the QB position. I don’t fault Shanny for not addressing it in the last draft becuase we had so many other holes. But he’s got to get a good QB this offseason.

    As for Rogers, sometimes you got to let guys walk that want big money and clearly haven’t earned it. yes he’s played well this year, but he wasn’t all that for the skins. he’s still a bust for a top 10 pick.

  25. ttommytom says: Nov 17, 2011 10:54 AM

    History is repeating itself. Shanahan is a very good coach and a very bad GM.

  26. hendawg21 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:57 AM

    1st…Mr hands of stone Rogers had how many years here? 5 I believe why didn’t he develop his hands???

    2. Since Allen and Shanny’s arrival there have been no high priced veterans brought in here that tag has gone to Philly and NYJ…

    3. It takes time to get rid of rift raft you can’t dump an entire team in 1-2 years.

    4. They turned what 6 draft picks into 12 in last years draft and have 8 for next year who knows what that will be turned into so they are using the draft.

    5. Everything can’t be fixed overnight and after this coming off season and draft I expect this team to then start showing good signs of turning the corner…

    6. And to all who like to reference the GB’s, NE’s, Steelers, etc., these teams at one time did stink so look at how long it took them to get where they are it didn’t happen in one year, one draft it took several years so quit comparing the Skins now to those teams save that for year 3 at least…

  27. ogre2010 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:58 AM

    @ bcb: well said and I am a Jaguar fan as well

  28. ogre2010 says: Nov 17, 2011 10:58 AM

    @ bcb: well said and I am a Jaguar fan as well

  29. tundey says: Nov 17, 2011 10:58 AM

    @chatham10: Have you looked at the Redskins roster lately? I won’t say “watch their games” because that’s just abominable to watch. But look at the roster: they’ve gotten younger and they drafted a boat load of players this past offseason (Ryan Kerrigan is bonafide beast) and added some high-value FAs (Hightower, Cofield, Bowen etc). All these criticisms from ex-players were valid in the Cerrato era. That’s over now. The only issue now is that Shanahan has made some mistakes in thinking McNabb, Grossman and Beck could run the offense. But nobody gets everything right all the time. Am sure he’ll draft QB this next offseason and the Redskins will continue to get better. Even right now, with their 3-6 record, the Redskins organization is in a better shape than it was 2 years ago.

  30. jacunn2000 says: Nov 17, 2011 11:01 AM

    This is typical of Shanahan and the Denver hangover he brings with him. Kubiak (Shanahan’s other boy) tried the same thing with the Texans for 6 years until the owner had enough. They bring in Wade Phillips and let the GM and Wade draft, and BAM, going to the playoffs for the first time in 10 years (MAYBE). Bottome line is Shanny is nothing without Elway. But at least they have Rex Grossman.

  31. cowboyhater says: Nov 17, 2011 11:02 AM

    How convenient to criticize a team that is in total rebuilding mode. As Skins fans, we can see the change, and also know that this is not going to be an overnight thing. This organization has been mismanaged for so long, that it will take just as long to get it rebuilt. As for Carlos, he admitted on the local sports talk radio show that he was not going to resign no matter what the Skins offered, so he can take his refocused self and continue his career elsewhere. Shanahan has made some missteps here, but at the same time, he is changing the culture. He needs the entire 5 year contract to right this ship, and so we will be patient, and ignore all the haters with their negative comments. HTTR!!

  32. jbcommonsense says: Nov 17, 2011 11:02 AM

    Shanahan and the Redskins have two problems holding them back: 1. Their bet on Grossman and Beck was flat wrong; those guys are not the answer at QB. 2. Lots of injuries to a team at the beginning of the rebuilding process, with little depth.

  33. catman72 says: Nov 17, 2011 11:02 AM

    It’s funny how Shanny was a much better coach when he had a HOF QB (who had already made it to the SB once without him).

  34. gmen1987 says: Nov 17, 2011 11:05 AM

    The Redskins only had one constant in the mediocrocy of the Dan Snyder era of ownership, Danny Boy Snyder.

    Danny Boy Snyder seems to think you can run a real world football team like a Madden video game. Keep things status quo, Danny Boy. Us Giants fans think you are doing a great job as an owner.

    How many football fans or even Giant fans can name the owner of the Giants? Not many and that is a good thing.

  35. hendawg21 says: Nov 17, 2011 11:07 AM

    As someon kindly pointed in an earlier post why are the 3-6 Dream Team Iggles still considered a playoff team and the Skins are done???

    Last year the favorite to be the first to host a home super bowl yes those Cowturds finished with the same record as Washington 6-10 and yet they were suppose to be one of the most talented teams…now this year the most talented and loser teams is the Iggles who have the same record and supposedly better talent then Washington so what gives!

    Both Dallas and Philly teams and fans are dillusional you’ll be in your living rooms just like Washington when it’s all said and done!

  36. worldsgreatest says: Nov 17, 2011 11:19 AM

    Wow. I agree and he is 100% correct. I’m glad someone finally said it. The Redskins have let a ton of supposedly average players go over the years that have found success elsewhere.

    Ryan Clark? Antonio Pierce? Brad Johnson? Stephen Davis? Brandon Lloyd? Trent Green? I know it happens with every team but…I mean. The Redskins. Lol

  37. mpw2133 says: Nov 17, 2011 11:20 AM

    The Redskins are a joke…. They havent really been viable since the 80’s and early 90’s. Issue number one Daniel Snyder. He needs to just sign the checks and shut up. There GM sucks . To be a great team yes you need a good / great Qb and in Washington they sure as heck dont have one. Shanahan is a bit like Bill Bellicheck good/Great coach bad personel person. what needs to happen is some how get Landry Jones QB, Oklahoma. As a Qb and let him sit for a season and learn how to be a pro. Target Bernard Pierce*, RB, Temple in the 3-4th round. D.J. Fluker**, OT, Alabama in the 2nd round. those should be priority number 1-3 this off season

  38. crashdog says: Nov 17, 2011 11:21 AM

    I don’t usually double comment, but this is so funny. Are the Skins fans that are talking about how this is a rebuilding period, the same Skins fans that were thumping their chests and complaining that they were ranked too low week after week earlier in the season? Make up your minds Skins fans…you can’t have it both ways.

    Oh, and to wethog66, This section is for comments, not term papers…….

  39. worldsgreatest says: Nov 17, 2011 11:25 AM

    mpayne12 says:
    Nov 17, 2011 10:28 AM
    Yeah yeah shannahan could have done things better but he inherited a vinny cerrato/dan snyder mess. Who actually thinks in two seasons he could turn the skins in to a contender given the massive lack of quality players. Give them time hopefully next year we’ll have a qb and a few good wr’s added to the mix. Skins were no ordinary rebuild they needed a complete haul over and that takes time.

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    Here’s the thing: he’s gotten rid of players that were supposedly bad and replaced them with players that aren’t any better, and are possibly worse.

    The previous roster absolutely can not be an excuse at this point. There are about ten players left from the Zorn era. This team has Shanahan’s fingerprints all over it, he built it. It is awful.

    He has been solid in the draft though. Free agency…not so much.

  40. worldsgreatest says: Nov 17, 2011 11:31 AM

    Man…even WALT HARRIS got better after he left and had close to pro bowl calibur seasons.

  41. howley1 says: Nov 17, 2011 11:48 AM

    As someon kindly pointed in an earlier post why are the 3-6 Dream Team Iggles still considered a playoff team and the Skins are done???

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    Both teams are all but mathematically eliminated from the playoffs so quit whining you east coast weenieboy.

  42. tapper0510 says: Nov 17, 2011 11:55 AM

    It does no good for Shanahan to fix it when the person who broke it still owns it. Drafting a QB won’t help because Shanahan has developed ZERO QB’s. I have said it to all my friends who are Skins fans. You are patient and loyal the Synderahans don’t deserve you.

  43. hendawg21 says: Nov 17, 2011 12:01 PM

    gmen1987 says:
    Nov 17, 2011 11:05 AM
    The Redskins only had one constant in the mediocrocy of the Dan Snyder era of ownership, Danny Boy Snyder.

    Danny Boy Snyder seems to think you can run a real world football team like a Madden video game. Keep things status quo, Danny Boy. Us Giants fans think you are doing a great job as an owner.

    How many football fans or even Giant fans can name the owner of the Giants? Not many and that is a good thing.

    That last statement is downright stupid if you are a fan of a team and don’t know who owns it you are not a fan…and how long as the Mara family owned the Giants oh yeah can’t forget about Tisch and don’t pretend that the Giants have been these world beaters for the last 30-40 years…

  44. brassknuckles47 says: Nov 17, 2011 12:09 PM

    Come on….what NFL coach in the modern era has gone from one successful to to another team and duplicated the success (Super Bowl appearance)? NONE! Not Parcels, not Belichek, not Joe Gibbs, not Mike Shanahan. There is an old adage in my industry….’a fish stinks from the top down’. The ‘Skins will NEVER be a SB contender until Daniel Synder is out of the picture, for he is the ‘top of the fish’..

  45. paintan8 says: Nov 17, 2011 12:24 PM

    So, here’s a guy who knows nothing about running a front office or player personnel, dropped more potential interceptions than ANY player in the league the last 5 years, and did NOTHING but whine about his contract the entire time he was in Washington and you use HIM as a basis to write about what the Redskins are doing. Man, you are lazy.

  46. agcoony says: Nov 17, 2011 12:34 PM

    It is really amusing to me at how many people want to point out that Shanahan hasn’t done anything without his hall of fame quarterback. How many coaches have won more than one Superbowl with a different quarterback? Let me give you some history….only one and that was Joe Gibbs! Theismann, Williams, Rypien!

  47. jbnavarro16 says: Nov 17, 2011 12:36 PM

    Just like its been said , this team isn’t going to be good over night. It’s only Bruce and Mike’s second year. And in my point of view they are going in the right direction. We have weeded out a ton of old vets. Do you guys know we have OVER 30 PLAYERS on the 53 man roster: 8 of which are rookies (would be 10 if Hank and Jenkins weren’t out), 9 are second years, and the rest are new faces who were not on the team last year. If this isn’t a step of rebuilding I do not know what is. Yes our OL sucks but until the Eagles game, where Trent and Lichtensteiger went out, it was solid; Rex was barely on his back. That being said they know we need a QB and they probably thought Kerrigan’s value was more important than Dalton or anyone else. Give it to the guys Kerrigan is a beast and I’d rather have Luck, Jones, or the guy from USC.

  48. kenhoustonfan says: Nov 17, 2011 12:37 PM

    I want to say that i’m not a big Shanahan fan but I respect what he is trying to do here and that’s building a team by drafting and developing young players something that has not been done here since Snyder took over as owner. And it’s a fair to compare the Redskins with G.B., N.E. & Pitts. in terms of building a successful franchise, from 1999 (when Snyder became owner) to 2008 (before Shanahan) those teams have combined to win 6 Superbowls and during that period G.B. has won 92 gms. N.E. 110 & Pitts. 100 and those 3 teams combined have 5 losing seasons in comparison the Redskins have won only 76 gms. and have 4 losing seasons with only 2 playoff wins, it won’t be easy to watch but it’s gonna take 2 to 3 years to get this team where it use to be when we were winning superbowls.

  49. jessethegreat says: Nov 17, 2011 12:43 PM

    I see people getting on Shannahan and I don’t get it. He took over an old, overpriced Redskins roster. He did not have much to work with.

    Going with Grossman and Beck was not the winning formula, but building a team around the future qb is. Look at teams that have had success with young qb’s. Ben’s Steelers had a solid foundation around him before he stepped in. Same with Matt Ryan in Atlanta. Same with Flacco in Baltimore. Same with Sanchez in NY. Same with Rodgers in GB.

    Look at really bad teams that took a QB in the beginning of their “rebuilds”. It took time for Stafford to do well. Alex Smith is just now starting to develop. Carr never really did.

    Shanny has the right idea of building a solid foundation before throwing a young qb in with expectations. Give him more talent around him and he’s much more likely to succeed.

  50. jimmysee says: Nov 17, 2011 12:46 PM

    You can’t build a team for long term success relying on free agents.

    It’s not rocket science.

  51. jessethegreat says: Nov 17, 2011 12:47 PM

    With that, a rookie “star college quarterback” is not going to suddenly turn a team with little talent around him into a winning team. With the exception of Peyton Manning.

  52. nedstarksbastard says: Nov 17, 2011 12:49 PM

    Find it funny that a guy that was drafted 9th overall and who is just now having his best season of his career thinks he has the credentials to knock a front office. That being said his overall point is right and he is a talented football player.

  53. polarbroncofan says: Nov 17, 2011 1:18 PM

    Mike Shanahan has a huge ego that demands he be in charge of all football operations. I thought the evidence was pretty clear in Denver that Shanahan the GM was Shanahan the coach’s worst enemy. Countless players were signed to huge contracts and the majority of them either didn’t perform on the field or screwed up off it. The end result was one playoff win in the ten years following Elway’s retirement and a 24-24 record over the final three seasons to close out his reign.

    The Redskins should do with Shanahan what the Seahawks once did with Mike Holmgren – take away his GM duties and have him focus on coaching. In Seattle at least, the ‘Hawks went on to their only Superbowl after the change.

  54. kenhoustonfan says: Nov 17, 2011 1:42 PM

    Carlos Rodgers has every right to knock the Redskins front office because since Snyder took over as owner in 1999 they have only re-signed 3 of their draft choices to long term contracts (Cooley, Arrington & Samuels) the rest they either released or let them rot on the bench they never tried to develope thier young players they would much rather sign players away from other teams for more money and make them your starters without giving the players that were already here a chance that was the point Rodgers was making now if you were in his shoes would you want to play here?

  55. urallidiots says: Nov 17, 2011 2:03 PM

    agcoony says:
    Nov 17, 2011 12:34 PM
    It is really amusing to me at how many people want to point out that Shanahan hasn’t done anything without his hall of fame quarterback. How many coaches have won more than one Superbowl with a different quarterback? Let me give you some history….only one and that was Joe Gibbs! Theismann, Williams, Rypien!

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    Bill Parcells did it with Simms and Hostetler.

  56. boysroll says: Nov 17, 2011 2:04 PM

    this org and fan base crack me up….when this team was 3-1 everybody on the team and fan base were saying we are going to win the NFC East and go to the playoffs. Believe i heard it all first hand with the dopey 4skin fans locally….Now that this team is out of the running but for last place we are substantiating that with we have to be patient and are in a rebuild now….talk about a bunch of garbage. Shanarat said he could win with these QB’s and look at the mess this team is in…He brought mcnabb in and look at the mess last year……STop making excuses for inept decision making and accept the end result that this team is in worst shape than ever. By the time they get back to 7-9 (still last place) for a season shanny will be riding off into the sunset with his 35 million…..LMAO.

  57. ronin36 says: Nov 17, 2011 2:08 PM

    For those that the Redskins should be tanking for Luck.

    You might want to reconsider..

    Since when has Shanahan ever developed a QB?

    He inherited a great one in Denver. But he had top draft prospects after that either totally flopped, or were no better the day they left Denver than they were the day the were drafted.

    The thing is this.. How many teams/coaches truly have the abillity to take a young talented QB draftee, and develop him into a NFL QB? Not many.

  58. blackqbwhiterb says: Nov 17, 2011 2:11 PM

    This team needs to duplicate last off season’s performance two more times, then in the fall of 2013 they will be very competitive. Question is, can they be patient enough to stay the course??

  59. skinsrock says: Nov 17, 2011 2:20 PM

    We have to stay the course…. Everyone can take their shots & so forth, but you can’t win in the NFL without an average to above average QB… We don’t have that… I remember when Shanny was in Denver & the offense clicked & the defense stunk… I feel he has concentrated on trying his best to build a good defense before completing the offense. If the Skins get their QB & still are unsuccessful, then we can think about changing the coaches, but until then… I’m accepting this as a rebuild & we won’t see any Detroit/SF jumps in our record until at least next year.

  60. commonsensedude says: Nov 17, 2011 2:37 PM

    FACTS:

    * 39 of the 53 players on the Active Roster today were actually brought in by Shanahan.

    * From 1999 through 2008, believe it or not, the Snyder-owned Redskins actually won more playoff games during that time period than the Shanahan-coached Broncos.

  61. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 17, 2011 2:46 PM

    @getyourownname says:
    And before nearby Ravens fans crow, remember that the architect of the Skins’ demise – Vinny Cerrato – is now a radio commentator in Bawlmer where fans listen and discuss his personnel assessments of the Ravens as though they were worth discussing.
    ___________
    Don’t blame him being on the Baltimore radio us.

    Although, last I checked you didn’t need any knowledge to be a sports talk show host. He is perfectly qualified for that.

    Being honest, I am a Ravens fan but prefer Wash Sports Talk hands down. I thhankfully never am listening when that fool is on. Why doesn’t Czabe call Vinny’s show and grill him? I would listen to that.

  62. therealsmiley says: Nov 17, 2011 2:49 PM

    Landry Jones here we come! Shanahan needs 5 years and that’s what he’ll get. Hail!

  63. therealsmiley says: Nov 17, 2011 2:52 PM

    Congrats to Carlos Rogers on his success but he never really fit in as a Redskin. We heard a lot of complaining from him throughout his stay in D.C. and he seriously could not hang on to an interception. Good luck dude. Hail!

  64. worldsgreatest says: Nov 17, 2011 4:19 PM

    Don’t blame him being on the Baltimore radio us.

    Although, last I checked you didn’t need any knowledge to be a sports talk show host. He is perfectly qualified for that.

    Being honest, I am a Ravens fan but prefer Wash Sports Talk hands down. I thhankfully never am listening when that fool is on. Why doesn’t Czabe call Vinny’s show and grill him? I would listen to that.

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    As a Redskins fan I am begging you to take Czabe. He is hands down the worst, least knowledgable, cranky, bitter, antagonistic, know nothing I have ever heard. He is terrible. TERRIBLE.

  65. kenhoustonfan says: Nov 17, 2011 7:18 PM

    @commonsensedude:

    You forgot one important fact, while Snyder may have more playoff wins between 1999 thru 2008 than Shanahan he did he went through 5 coaches to achive that compared with 1 HC in Denver, also Denver won 91 games during that time compared to 76 for Snyder

  66. p01ntman says: Nov 17, 2011 11:45 PM

    I think its time for Wash. to bring in Sullivan QB Cleveland.

  67. londonfletcher says: Nov 18, 2011 8:41 AM

    I wish Tebow was a Redskin.

    Yeah, I said it.

    What.

  68. dikshuttle says: Nov 18, 2011 1:21 PM

    I take opposite issue.

    Shanahan the Coach needs to write a gameplan for the players he has.

    Look at Denver, 4-1 since rewriting the script.

    I like the idea of a HCIC, but execution is as important as theory in this instance.

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