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Teammates say Jordy Nelson is underestimated because he’s white

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Packers receiver Jordy Nelson is averaging 18.6 yards a catch this season, tied with Carolina’s Steve Smith for the best average in the NFL among receivers with at least 20 catches.

So why don’t more people name this big-play threat for the best team in football when they’re listing the top receivers in the NFL? Some of Nelson’s teammates say it’s because of the color of his skin.

“They underestimate him. And honestly, he uses that to his advantage,” Packers receiver Greg Jennings told the Associated Press. “Seriously, a lot of it has to do with the fact that guys look at him and say, ‘OK, he’s the white guy, he can’t be that good.’ Well, he is that good, he’s proven to be that good and it’s because of the work and the time that he’s put in — not only on the field but in his preparation off the field.”

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers said on his weekly radio show on WAUK-AM that he and cornerback Charles Woodson discussed the same topic during Monday night’s game.

“I was talking to ‘Wood’ in the fourth quarter and he said, ‘When you see Jordy out there, you think, “Oh well, he’s a white wide receiver. He won’t be very athletic.” But Jordy sort of breaks all those stereotypes,'” Rodgers said. “I am not sure why he keeps sneaking up on guys.”

With 633 receiving yards and seven touchdowns on the undefeated Packers, Nelson shouldn’t be able to sneak up on anyone for much longer.

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  1. edmazeing1 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:11 AM

    I heard pats have a WR of the same skin color, that no one knows either SMH!!

  2. mrjnumber1 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:12 AM

    posts complaining about “reverse racism” and president obama in 3… 2…. 1…..

  3. mangoldbond says: Nov 19, 2011 8:14 AM

    New ESPN story coming

  4. oriolesvsravens says: Nov 19, 2011 8:14 AM

    I believe he’s over shadowed because of other weapond not underestimated because of his skin color. Welker is a natural slot receiver that gets alot attention like a split end would. So I don’t think its a race thing. They are all good. It’s the NFL.

  5. jimmysee says: Nov 19, 2011 8:18 AM

    Jordy certainly has the respect of his teammates.

  6. dryzzt23 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:19 AM

    I completely agree. The same goes for athletic white QBs and white RBs.
    White Qbs are stereotypically pure pocket passers with noodle to good arms whereas a black QB is always faster than any white player and never has less than a cannon for an arm.
    White RBs are frowned upon by the media and coaches have this burning tendency to move them to FB due to the stereotype of a white RB is much slower than any black player.
    White WRs are billed as non-athletic and non-dynamic and are your simple possession WRs, they could never be fast and dynamic as a black WR.

    Tim Tebow, Jordy Nelson, and Peyton Hillis break all these stereotypes. The media perpetuates these stereotypes due to political correctness. If a white RB starts over a black RB, the black RB can simply say “He’s starting b/c the coaches/team are racists” and boom, the black RB starts. It would never work in the inverse b/c, according to blacks, democrats, and the media, blacks could never be racist.

  7. jasku880 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:23 AM

    He’s Got Getting Away From Cop Speed

  8. bhink73 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:24 AM

    Why is it that when guy’s like Rush and Jimmy the greek state what everybody thinks then they are fired for “insensitive” and “racist” remarks. Go ahead and say that nobody respects someones athletic ability because he’s white all your hear are crickets.

  9. packfaninchitown says: Nov 19, 2011 8:29 AM

    Keep on making those touchdowns Jordy, you’re one of the main reasons this team will go 19-0 this year…

  10. avianflew says: Nov 19, 2011 8:32 AM

    White Men Can’t Jump

    …but they can catch

  11. myasylum11 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:34 AM

    It’s probably true, I suppose this will become some racist thing now? It’s obvious the Packers are a close knit team, it should be considered a good thing that they are comfortable being able to disuss things without having to be afraid of bring labeled racist.

  12. Christian says: Nov 19, 2011 8:34 AM

    Maybe they also underestimate him because his name is “Jordy.”

  13. dryzzt23 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:36 AM

    Anyone ever notice that Tavaris Jackson, out of UAB, always got the benefit of the doubt from the media due to his “athleticism” even though he proved nothing in college yet Tim Tebow is roundly criticized solely b/c of his athleticism.

    Think about it, black are not as harshly criticized by the media solely b/c they are black and the radio network does not want to be labeled as racists so they discourage critical review of black Qbs. i.e. T-Jax, Favid Garrard, Kordell Stewart, JM Russell, Donv. McNabb, Mike Vick.

    But if you’rea white QB like Tim Tebow, Alex Smith, Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Rex Grossman, Colt McCoy, Matt Leinart, then it is open season and the media can criticize without resraint b/c no one would ever call them racists for ripping on a white QB.

    Next time you listen/watch ESPN/NFL/Sporting News, etc on radio or TV, watch how they react when a black QB is ripped, especially by fans. They will ALWAYS disagree with the criticism and find some positive thing to day about the black QB (i.e. Vince Young, he might not be the best student of the game but he’s so damn athletic”). If a black Qb is being discussed then they might have one host criticize the black Qb but the other host will always put a positive spin on the black QB. It is like there is just so much criticize the media will allow for a black QB (i.e. protecting Quincy Carter in Dallas even though he clearly sucked) b/c if a fan is ripping a black Qb one of the hosts will always stop the fan and start talking about the QBs potential, etc thus limiting the criticism no matter how warranted.

    But when they rip Tim Tebow or Alex Smith then the radio/TV host will join right in and rip the white QB to shreds, especially if its a radio show and the caller is black. There is not good cop/bad cop if the QB is white, all the media talking heads show no restraint in ripping a white QB.

    Think about it, when Vick got into trouble, the media rose up and said “don’t judge him he’s innocent until proven guilty” and “he deserves a second chance”, and of course “this wouldn’t happen to a white player”.
    But when a white player is arrested there is no media support for him whatsoever, there is no “second chance” that every black player is given. Why? Because blacks side with blacks and don’t bother to look critically at their own race.

  14. fatbaby81 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:38 AM

    it will be nice once people get there head out the clouds, and just learn to appreciate each other, and stop judging folks by the color of there skin. skin tone dont mean squat. Jehovah created men and woman from adam and eve.

  15. buhbay1c says: Nov 19, 2011 8:40 AM

    The thing is, people aren’t used to seeing in-shape white guys within Green Bay’s city limits. I mean honestly, have you ever seen a cut away shot of the crowd?

  16. packersrule12 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:42 AM

    Thanks for telling everybody.
    It’s not that he’s sneaking up on anybody, it’s who do you cover on that offense? Somebody is going to be open.

  17. gb4mn0 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:45 AM

    Yea, maybe so, but the vaunted, much feared, never to be taken lightly defense of the MN vikequeens and their “slam the door in your face” shutdown CB Antoine (winny the poop) Winfield held Nelson to just a 12.6 yds per catch avg. on 5 catches and only 2 tds last Monday night. That secondary of the Queens smothers and covers (a little Waffle House humor).

  18. 706vet says: Nov 19, 2011 8:47 AM

    I don’t think he’s sneaking up on anyone. He’s just running past them. These comments downgrade Nelson pure ability.

    I wonder which colleges and other pro teams didn’t recruit/downgrade him merely because of the color of his skin.

  19. ctp603 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:48 AM

    He’s no Ed McCaffrey or Phil McConkey, but he’ll do for now.

  20. tkraw33 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:49 AM

    I can believe it. I know it happens to me.

  21. matt14gg says: Nov 19, 2011 8:49 AM

    dryzzt23

    Other than the fact that Tavaris Jackson went to Alabama State your post is spot on.

  22. 6ball says: Nov 19, 2011 8:50 AM

    .

    What about Victor Cruz of the Giants? What’s his racial stereotype?

    .

  23. xxwhodatxx says: Nov 19, 2011 8:51 AM

    Dryzzt thanks for saying all that so I didn’t have to, you are 100% correct.I’m sure there will be more than a few posts calling u a racist but lots more know you’re right.

  24. seneca1ss says: Nov 19, 2011 8:51 AM

    So….if white men can’t jump, black men can’t swim

  25. gallaghedj311 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:55 AM

    It should also be noted that the packers are one of the whitest teams in the league

  26. steelersownyou says: Nov 19, 2011 8:55 AM

    Cracker fast!

  27. gb4mn0 says: Nov 19, 2011 8:57 AM

    buhbay1c says:
    Nov 19, 2011 8:40 AM
    The thing is, people aren’t used to seeing in-shape white guys within Green Bay’s city limits. I mean honestly, have you ever seen a cut away shot of the crowd?

    ————————————–

    Frankly, you pointing this out draws into question your orientation. Why else would you take such close notice of that?

  28. sdcreppin says: Nov 19, 2011 9:01 AM

    I dont think hes underrated. Aaron rodgers hogs the spotlight. if a packer receiver makes an amazing catch the credit goes to aaron

  29. discosucs2005 says: Nov 19, 2011 9:09 AM

    Yeah, all those media conspiracies against white people are terrible.

    I got news for the people that talk about the media as if it’s one unified entity: the media is a representation of all of us. Every perceived narrative in media is done because it makes money. Blaming the media for a political bias or a racial bias makes no sense. Blame the people that indulge those media outlets with a bias.

  30. thejuddstir says: Nov 19, 2011 9:10 AM

    If someone said that Greg Jennings is good because he is black……….all hell would break loose and I’d bet Jennings would be yelling the loudest. Personally, I don’t have a problem with admitting the truth and discussing the differences between white and black athletes, however in our overly-sensitive politically correct society, people are quick to throw out the race card. I am not racist, but I dare anyone to debate the physical athletic ability of blacks vs. whites and on the other side of the coin, there’s a like reason why white qb’s are better than black qb’s even though I have already stated that the black athlete is more physically gifted…..guess that leaves the cerebral part that separates them.

  31. goatcheez says: Nov 19, 2011 9:16 AM

    All black QBs have cannon arms? Vince Young anyone?

    That HOU WR is pretty athletic too. Walter I think? Decker ain’t bad from DEN.

  32. bobnelsonjr says: Nov 19, 2011 9:26 AM

    Why would PFT suddenly have a story that is related to the undefeated defending World Champions?

    Jordy Nelson still holds state records in the 100 and 200 meter dash in Kansas. He is fast.

    Only a real dummy would look at film and not recognize Nelson’s greatness, toughness, intelligence, and superiority.

    To underestimate him is near criminally negligent.

  33. qdog112 says: Nov 19, 2011 9:33 AM

    Facts are facts. Athletes do have a tendency think that way and even after studying and practicing for a guy who does not fit the stereotype, a split second lapse, creates strong opportunities for white players to take advantage of any momentary “freeze”.

    It happens in all sports and it is not necessarily based on race, but can be. It could be a certain body-type in basketball, where a 6’11” guy continually hits deep shots because his man doesn’t close on him fast enough because”he can’t possibly hit the shot consistently”. Or a 5′ 10″ pitcher can’t possibly throw a 95 per hour fast ball, but he keeps striking guys out. In both cases, fraction of a second, makes the difference.

  34. snarkzilla says: Nov 19, 2011 9:38 AM

    I think Nelson still holds high school track and field records in Kansas. He was all-state in basketball and football and a consensus All American receiver at K State. Ran a 4.47 40 at the combine.

    As a fan, I really like how the Packers are staying loose, have each others’ backs, and appreciate each other and let interviewers know it. It’s a healthy locker room within a great team culture.

  35. bobbylaynesreplacement says: Nov 19, 2011 9:40 AM

    Im a Lions fan And i say Jordy nelson is an Amazing athlete … The truth is Jordy Nelson is underestimated for the same reason Cam Newton was underestimated during the draft process … race plays to big a role in American society and I can’t stand it when it envades sports … SHM

  36. jimmysee says: Nov 19, 2011 9:48 AM

    Ted Thomson did not hesitate to draft Jordy (some said too high) — regardless of his race.

    The Kansas farm boy fits in well with the Packers receiving corps.

    Did you see the pre-Super Bowl coverage where Jordy had the receivers down at his mom and dad’s farm and he was teaching them how to milk a cow?!

  37. Matt-NC says: Nov 19, 2011 9:50 AM

    I’m wondering how true this is.

    Do the defenders that cover him really look at his skin color and disregard him? Do they not watch film?

    Or is Jordy just that good that he makes any defender look like they are standing still?

  38. mr92687 says: Nov 19, 2011 10:01 AM

    No one cares what color Nelson is, I’ve haven’t seen a game where he was just left uncovered because he was white. If I’m Nelson I’m telling my own teammates.. “cut that crap talk out, I am as good as my stats say I am and no one’s taking it easy on me because of my skin color.” Are you serious? Shut up Packers.

  39. goforgin01 says: Nov 19, 2011 10:10 AM

    Maybe earlier…but now it’s about film study.

    He’s got plenty of film that tells you who he is now.

    If you get beat, it’s on you…white/black don’t mean chit.

  40. phillysports25 says: Nov 19, 2011 10:15 AM

    He has always been underestimated. And the sad thing is… I think he always will be. Go Jordy Nelson! (Coming from an Eagles fan):

  41. rayguyreturns says: Nov 19, 2011 10:20 AM

    “Oh well, he’s a white wide receiver. He won’t be very athletic.”
    ____________________________________

    And to think that none of these guys probably ever heard of Lance Alworth.

  42. kingkreg12 says: Nov 19, 2011 10:26 AM

    Reverse Racism definitely exists, and it is tough to argue. If a white WR made the same comment that Woodson had it would be a firestorm on him.

    I am not saying Woodson was being racist, but 90 percent of the time the comments that are portrayed as racist really aren’t. You can’t say one thing about an African American without being called racist, but you can say anything you want pertaining to a white athlete and it is supposed to be ok.

    I have no problem with either, but I have a problem that you have to tip toe around talking about African American atheles but can say whatever you want about a white athlete and it would be crazy to say it’s racist.

  43. tatum064 says: Nov 19, 2011 10:27 AM

    When he gets to our level, then you can pull the “white receiver” race card.

    Sincerely

    Lynn Swann
    Jerry Rice
    Jimmy Smith
    Michael Irvin

    hell, he can’t even get with Raymond Berry or Ed McCaffrey.

    play a few more years, then run your mouth.

    can someone upset these idiots already, they are beginning to annoy me. Is it something about going undefeated that makes these guys pull crap quotes out of their a”% or what?

    whatever happened to white receivers that just do it on the field and don’t say anything? – do you let db’s and T.O.’s and Ocho cinco’s bring the WR diva out in you, or what?

  44. snarkzilla says: Nov 19, 2011 10:33 AM

    > if a packer receiver makes an amazing catch the credit goes to aaron

    This cracked me up. Most times amazing catches are unnecessary with Rodgers at QB. The few opportunities GB receivers have had to make amazing catches are all over highlight films. You’re allowed to use your eyes.

  45. snarkzilla says: Nov 19, 2011 10:55 AM

    >do you let db’s and T.O.’s and Ocho cinco’s bring the WR diva out in you, or what?

    Jennings wanted to make sure his teammate gets fully appreciated for his level of play. That’s not being a “diva”, it’s the opposite.

  46. i3addog says: Nov 19, 2011 10:56 AM

    Go back on youtube and search ” Draft Jordy Nelson”. You will see why taking him was an easy pick.

  47. buhbay1c says: Nov 19, 2011 11:02 AM

    gb4mn0 says:
    Nov 19, 2011 8:57 AM
    buhbay1c says:
    Nov 19, 2011 8:40 AM
    The thing is, people aren’t used to seeing in-shape white guys within Green Bay’s city limits. I mean honestly, have you ever seen a cut away shot of the crowd?

    ————————————–

    Frankly, you pointing this out draws into question your orientation. Why else would you take such close notice of that.

    Hey gb4mn0, since you’re a numbers guy let’s break this down. 108-34 likes-to-dislikes for my comment, for yours, 23-49. I guess more people think GB is fat than think I’m into dudes. Nice try though.

  48. thejuddstir says: Nov 19, 2011 11:07 AM

    White..black….yellow….red….I don’t really care. In today’s NFL of entertainment football, it doesn’t matter if you’re talkin’ Jordy Nelson, M. Vick, A. Rodgers, T. Brady or whomever, their stats are great but none of them compare to the Blandas, Alworths, Jim Browns, Johnny Unitas etc. of an era when football was football, it was sport and not entertainment. Can you imagine what Otto Graham or Johnny U. would’ve said if they were told they had to wear skirts when on the field; or what Dick Butkus, Carl Eller or Nighttrain would’ve said if they were told they can’t hit an offensive player below the waist or above the belly-button and you couldn’t breathe on a wr once the play started!!! Save me the comparisons please. Do you actually think more than a handful of today’s players would be HOF worthy if it were still football and not entertainment?

  49. westcoastpackerfan says: Nov 19, 2011 11:07 AM

    My favorite thing about this “story” (which has already been out on the Green Bay Press Gazette for a few days) is that the Packers receivers, and team in general are so comfortable with one another that they would even talk about this.

    The receiving corps has been together for a few years, they spend a lot of time together in practice and watching film, etc. and they like to rib Jordy for being the “white guy” who just happens to be really good. I think that’s hilarious. Reminds me of something a group of friends would talk about. This is a significant part of why the Packers have been successful.

    For the record, Brett Swain (white guy) was their 5th WR last year and he wasn’t putting up numbers, he mostly played special teams, so you can’t just throw anyone in there and Aaron Rodgers will make you a star.

  50. scytherius says: Nov 19, 2011 11:09 AM

    I don’t care the reason, but this Packer fan says … good. Anything to keep the double coverage off of him.

  51. KIR says: Nov 19, 2011 11:09 AM

    @dryzzt23

    I forgot QB’s like Warren (Hall of Fame) Moon who weren’t even given a chance to play quarterback and were moved to a different position or had to go play in another league. Your memory sir AT BEST is very selective.

  52. KIR says: Nov 19, 2011 11:10 AM

    dryzzt23

    This is nothing more than DIS INFO PROPAGANDA mixing selective truth with lies.

    Black QB’s aren’t ripped? Vick is the most hated Player in the NFL. Donovan McNabb helped lead Philadelphia to four NFC Championship Game berths and one Super Bowl. How many Qb’s can claim that? Does he chock in big games, yea, but so does Peyton Manning. Look at the reviews of Cam Newton. He was called the biggest bust in the history of the NFL before he took a snap. Why? Because Jamarcus Russell was a bust. Is that fair? For every black 1st round QB bust. I can name 10 QB’s who weren’t black. Lets look at additional 1st Round QB bust. Who were AT LEAST given the benefit of doubt.
    David Klinger (1992),Tim Couch (1999),David Carr (2002),Joey Harrington (2002),Alex Smith (2005) Art Schlichter (1982),Jeff George (1990),Andre Ware (1990),Dan McGwire (1991),Todd Marinovich (1991),Tommy Maddox (1992),Rick Mirer (1993)
    Jim Druckenmiller (1997),Ryan Leaf (1998),Tim Couch (1999),Cade McNown (1999),Joey Harrington (2002),J.P. Losman (2004),Vince Young,Matt Leinart (2006), Jerry Tagge (1972),Rich Campbell (1981), Todd Blackledge (1982),Kelly Stouffer (1987),Andre Ware (1990),David Klinger (1992),Heath Shuler (1994),Tim Couch (1999),Akili Smith (1999),Cade McNown (1999),Rex Grossman.

    A few are black but most aren’t and that’s just the 1st round!

    Jordy Nelson might be Great. Time will tell. A great receiver can not be SHUT DOWN if he has a good or great QB. Wes Welker can be shut down. Peyton Hillis has never gained more than 350 yards in college and his best NFL year is 1,177 yards his stats are not even above average. I think the back from Stanford, Toby Gerhart, has a better chance of being an NFL star. Time will tell.

  53. EJ says: Nov 19, 2011 11:17 AM

    No, Nelson looks good because he has one of the biggest armed QB’s in the NFL throwing him the ball. If you were to put David Nelson from Buffalo on Green Bay’s team right now, he would have identical numbers as Jordy Nelson. Its not the receiver, its the QB that puts the ball two inches to the left of the WR’s right number on his jersey every time he throws the ball, no matter where the receiver is on the field. All the receiver has to do is close his hands. Aaron Rodgers is the sole reason for this story ever being written.

  54. scott8nj says: Nov 19, 2011 11:25 AM

    There are great white WR’s past and present, Dwight Clark, Collinsworth, Largent, Welker just to name a few. Teams watch film and know what their opponents are capable of doing. Jordy gets lost in the shuffle a little because the Packers have Jennings, Jones, Driver, Cobb and a very good TE, Finley.
    Sometimes the stats don’t stand out but if you are a DB standing across from Nelson and all you know about him is that he’s white, you and your coaching staff should be fired.

  55. cowboys1988 says: Nov 19, 2011 11:32 AM

    Thats completely true. Jordy nelson is as good as any receiver in the NFL

  56. unkleruckus says: Nov 19, 2011 11:51 AM

    It should also be noted that the packers are one of the whitest teams in the league

    It should also be noted out of 53 players on the roster only 13 are white. If they’re one of the whitest teams in the NFL, the league will look like the NBA in 5 years.

  57. wenellniners says: Nov 19, 2011 11:58 AM

    he’s a hard worker and his success has nothing to do with the colour of his skin. i think everyone has seen the potential in this guy for years.

  58. franbotel says: Nov 19, 2011 12:00 PM

    dryzzt23 , xxwhodatxx

    Please you really disrespecting J Nelson by comparing with the frauds Tebow and Hillis

    Nice try guys claiming white racism from the sports media thats majority white; You comparing (Tim Tebow, Alex Smith, Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Rex Grossman, Colt McCoy, Matt Leinart) to (T-Jax, Favid Garrard, Kordell Stewart, JM Russell, Donv. McNabb, Mike Vick) . Besides Russel all the others took their team to the playoffs while on your whitey list only grossman did it. Dont get me started on tebow he played with about 30 draft picks while in college(15 current starters in the nfl ) but was given all the credit compare him to Cam Newton who played with only 4 picks ( only him starts in the Nfl) was destroyed in the media. In regards to Peyton Hillis its clear his a one hit wonder just like a lot of other RB.
    Stick to Rush Limbaugh and Palin freak shows this is sports and facts matter unlike in your small world.

  59. glac1 says: Nov 19, 2011 12:01 PM

    Life is good for the Packers if that’s the big news of the day in Green Bay.. That means there are no new injuries to report…….

  60. t16rich says: Nov 19, 2011 12:04 PM

    Yes he is good and deserves more credit. But until he is over 6’2 and 210 pounds lets refrain from comments like this.

    cowboys1988 says:Nov 19, 2011 11:32 AM

    Thats completely true. Jordy nelson is as good as any receiver in the NFL

  61. conjecture101 says: Nov 19, 2011 12:23 PM

    @dryzzt23

    Yea we get it, but at least use somewhat relevant arguments.

    I don’t think anyone believes that Seneca Wallace, or David Garrard has a “rocket arm” because they simply don’t. . In contrast, everyone believes that Matthew Stafford & Carson Palmer have rocket arms.

    And who believes Byron Leftwich has any escapability whatsoever? No one. Just like everyone knew Steve Young had elite escapability & Aaron Rodgers has very good escapability.

    As for Peyton Hillis & Tim Tebow you’re argument is pretty much worthless. Hillis isn’t a good running back. He had one good year, just like Rueben Droughnes & Jamal White. And Tebow doesn’t break any stereotype because I’ve never seen any team run the option offense in the NFL with a Quarterback.

  62. herlies says: Nov 19, 2011 12:28 PM

    “Yes he is good and deserves more credit. But until he is over 6’2 and 210 pounds lets refrain from comments like this.”

    Nelson is 6’3″ 220.

  63. zn0rseman says: Nov 19, 2011 12:31 PM

    Wes Welker
    Eric Decker
    Blair White
    Jordy Nelson

    All horribly underrated.

  64. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 19, 2011 12:33 PM

    The kid can play, period. The refs respect him. He blatantly pushed off with both arms the other day and got away with it.

  65. wussbasket says: Nov 19, 2011 12:42 PM

    t16rich says:
    Nov 19, 2011 12:04 PM
    Yes he is good and deserves more credit. But until he is over 6’2 and 210 pounds lets refrain from comments like this.

    ummm… wes welker and steve smith (panthers) are UNDER 6foot and are performing very well. Jordy is actually listed at 6’3 217. size is one of the most overrated qualities to look at when evaluating someones talent.

  66. usedtool says: Nov 19, 2011 12:59 PM

    When Nelson came out of college there was an article in the KC Star quoting an “un-named NFL source” (Chiefs?) stating that Nelson would not go until the late third round “because he has to prove he is more than just a try hard white guy.” Go ahead, change white to black in that statement and imagine there NOT being screams.

    In the modern NFL it is presumed that blacks can play any position. Whites are presumed to be OK as QBs, FBs, OL, DL, TE, LB and possession receivers. They are presumed not capable of being DBs or feature WOs.

    Remember a few years ago when the Giants had a white DB? There were feature stories on TV and in SI. How stupid.

    To believe there are no presumptions based on skin color is to believe there hasn’t been a white guy capable of being a featured NFL running back since who? John Riggins? Out of how many millions of guys?

    White RBs are converted to TE or FB just like black QBs used to be converted to WRs and DBs. The same thing is the same thing.

  67. cursedvikingfan says: Nov 19, 2011 1:04 PM

    Great, another Packers player for the media to fall in love with and rant and rave about. I mean come on, these guys are good, because they are all surrounded by each other and feed off each other. These guys broken up and put on other teams wouldn’t be as successful. The Packers get all the credit in the world for building a tremendous team that will be good for years. But let’s stop pretending that they are the greatest athletes to play the position in the history of the game. And yes, this includes Aaron Rodgers.

  68. silverdeer says: Nov 19, 2011 1:24 PM

    What is amazing about this is that I seem to recall a very famous Sportscaster on MNF getting fired over making this very same stereotype. He was white. Now a black athlete states it….No problem what so ever.

  69. threedeep1998 says: Nov 19, 2011 1:33 PM

    so is he the white Nate Burleson?

    honestly had I not seen any GB games the WR corps all sound like white dudes: DONALD driver, GREG jennings, JORDY NELSON, JAMES Jones

  70. conjecture101 says: Nov 19, 2011 1:38 PM

    @dryzzt23

    you’re again not telling the whole story. ESPN analysts & NFL Network analysts use to relentlessly rip Jamarcus Russell, Aaron Brooks, and others.

    And everyone saying “I can’t say anything about african american athletes or i’ll be called a racist. Sounds like you’re overcompensating. Because I can say right now I think Donavon Mcnabb is a bad QB and always thought he was overrated and never thought he was close to Tom Brady and i don’t fear anyone calling me racist. I get more negative reactions when i tell people Mike Vick is my favorite QB, than when i say D Mcnabb is a bad QB.

  71. packerbacker12 says: Nov 19, 2011 1:58 PM

    “The thing is, people aren’t used to seeing in-shape white guys within Green Bay’s city limits. I mean honestly, have you ever seen a cut away shot of the crowd?”

    Oh boy. Another fat joke about Wisconsin. Like I haven’t heard that before. Come back when you come up with something new, jackwagon.

  72. earthtopft says: Nov 19, 2011 2:03 PM

    Jordy is quietly efficient, but goes unnoticed because he is not very colorful.

  73. packerbacker12 says: Nov 19, 2011 2:03 PM

    “108-34 likes-to-dislikes for my comment, for yours, 23-49. I guess more people think GB is fat than think I’m into dudes. Nice try though.”

    Did you check your thumbs up-thumbs down rating for that comment? Yeah that’s what I thought.

  74. packerbacker12 says: Nov 19, 2011 2:04 PM

    “There are great white WR’s past and present, Dwight Clark, Collinsworth, Largent, Welker just to name a few.”

    Don’t forget Don Hutson. One of the greatest to ever play the game.

  75. glac1 says: Nov 19, 2011 2:06 PM

    are there any minnesota fans who don’t blame officiating everytime they lose????

  76. binkystevens says: Nov 19, 2011 2:35 PM

    Jordy Nelson: white lightning
    John Kuhn: white thunder

  77. rolandsloan says: Nov 19, 2011 2:41 PM

    This is just weird…..Right?
    I think it’s all a matter of where guys get directed
    when they start playing.

  78. crabtree35 says: Nov 19, 2011 3:20 PM

    I’ve never posted because I never wanted to sign in..

    But in truth this situation is decided long before a player reaches nfl level.

    When kIds start pop Warner they are classified. Just like when kids start school.

    The majority of minorities come from lesser socioeconomic situations. Worse facilities. Less coaching. Less structure. Basically less money.

    So on the field (or the court).. Your strength is to use your talent skill athleticism to win. By & large, Black quarterbacks are not taught quarterbacking at a young age. They are taught to win any means necessary. Young white kids are schooled on passing, reading a d, etc because they have better/more coaches & structure. Same is true for the bball court … By the time these kids reach high school they are already pigeonholed a certain way.

    But the biases are real. To some extent the perceptions are real. We are TAUGHT as kids that if you’re an all black team facing an all white team they wont be as good or skilled. & vice versa a white team is taught they will play harder or smarter..

    There are exceptions. But this is far beyond the media or NFL.

    & all that reverse racism white bias is bs .. Because cam newton was compared to far inferior black qbs & labeled a risk/likely bust. When it was very obvious he was a skilled passer with off the chart physical gifts & a winner as well as someone who could handle adversity scrutiny or attention … While all we hear is Andy luck is the best QB in 30 years …. Explain that!?….

  79. 13forgbp says: Nov 19, 2011 3:37 PM

    This is old news. It happens on his own team as well. There were training camp stories about how the vets in the d backfield would try to tell the new guys not to under estimate the “white dude”. They would never heed the warning and smoked time and time again.

    I hope Tom Jackson cries again and the dopes at espn find someone to fire. Even though they have nothing to do with it, that would suit them just fine.

  80. crabtree35 says: Nov 19, 2011 3:46 PM

    & less we forget … tim tebow is a winner, a fantastic football player, but as a passer deserves a lot of doubt, scrutiny & criticism …

    i would say that his profile, stardom, & cache far exceed his ability & achievement at this point in his career …

    that is attributed strictly to the fact that he’s white …

    & even moreso for peyton hillis … who, if he was a black athlete, would get vilified for the stunts he has pulled this season .. i give peyton one thing tho, he is very smart – because he’s trying to cash out asap, before everyone realizes how overrated he is…

    the reality is, many are blaming the nfl or the media for what is taught learned & conditioned to us as children … this is how america raises its youth … so instead of complaining about it, how bout we stop passing these judgements biases & stereotypes to our youth regardless of what race we/they are

  81. fanfair says: Nov 19, 2011 4:16 PM

    Interesting that my comment about the “fairytale” that is this Comments section get deleted or “moderated”, yet someone can make the statement that White athletes are smarter than Black athletes and the comment stands AND has overwhelming thumbs up. The prosecution rests.

  82. rudegger says: Nov 19, 2011 4:21 PM

    Wes Welker doesn’t think so. No one notices Nelson because he plays with Aaron Rodgers, and all that other talent on that team. Peyton Hillis made the cover of Madden ask him what he thinks.

    Good Post crabtree35.

  83. 13xworldchamps says: Nov 19, 2011 4:49 PM

    I have no problem with either, but I have a problem that you have to tip toe around talking about African American atheles but can say whatever you want about a white athlete and it would be crazy to say it’s racist.

    to be fair in this typw of discussuion, if we are to refer to black athletes as “African American” shouldn’t white athletes be refered to as Caucasion Americans? I mean cmon man lets be fair………

    Heavy sigh, heavy dose of sarcasim in the post. This political correctness that has infested our society needs to end….let’s just let them be atheletes and enjoy…….

    and let’s just all be AMERICANS………….

  84. 1stngoal says: Nov 19, 2011 5:03 PM

    Jordy Nelson has alwayas been a very good, and very underestimated WR, going back to his college days.
    There is a rather popular YouTube highlight video of Nelson turning Aquib Talib into burnt toast and coffee while at K-State. Go ahead and let them underestimate you, Jordy. Just let your play do the talking for you…

  85. stanklepoot says: Nov 19, 2011 5:12 PM

    oriolesvsravens says: Nov 19, 2011 8:14 AM

    I believe he’s over shadowed because of other weapond not underestimated because of his skin color. Welker is a natural slot receiver that gets alot attention like a split end would. So I don’t think its a race thing. They are all good. It’s the NFL.
    _________________________
    Perhaps to a certain degree, but how long did it take for Welker to get the credit he deserves? People were so quick to refer to him as “just a slot receiver”, as if that was any less important than being a wideout. Maybe it was once, but with the rules the way they are now, a receiver who goes across the middle is every bit as valuable as a wideout.

  86. trollaikman8 says: Nov 19, 2011 5:20 PM

    The Madden Curse sees no colors.

    -P.Hillis

  87. trollaikman8 says: Nov 19, 2011 5:24 PM

    Austin Collie is a decent white WR. Even more than decent when Manning is throwing to him.

  88. jrmbadger says: Nov 19, 2011 5:59 PM

    “tatum064 says:
    Nov 19, 2011 10:27 AM
    When he gets to our level, then you can pull the “white receiver” race card.

    Sincerely

    Lynn Swann
    Jerry Rice
    Jimmy Smith
    Michael Irvin

    hell, he can’t even get with Raymond Berry or Ed McCaffrey.

    play a few more years, then run your mouth.

    can someone upset these idiots already, they are beginning to annoy me. Is it something about going undefeated that makes these guys pull crap quotes out of their a”% or what?

    whatever happened to white receivers that just do it on the field and don’t say anything? – do you let db’s and T.O.’s and Ocho cinco’s bring the WR diva out in you, or what?”

    Quick tip: why don’t you look at the title of MDS’ post? See there: “TEAMMATES say Jordy Nelson is underestimated . . .”

    Nelson never brought up the issue.

    Oh and for extra credit – take a look at the article where they talk about how Jennings (a black WR) and Woodson ( a black db) admit that they see it happening on the field all the time, or perhaps see where the article mentions that a division rival’s dbs admitted after the game that they underestimated Nelson.

    Or, you could continue to just hate the Packers because they are successful and your team is not and continue to use any opportunity available to remind us all of that.

    your choice.

  89. rudegger says: Nov 19, 2011 6:17 PM

    Race it seems is always taken as a black and white issue. It isn’t. Victor Cruz is having some good games, so is Aaron Hernandez–one of the most atheltic TE’s in the game. I suppose you have to counter black with white and vice versa, and race/culture is so much more than mere colour. America is in still many ways in kindergarten when it comes to race relations.

  90. axespray says: Nov 19, 2011 8:43 PM

    They got a point…
    I remember on madden a few years back, Donald Lee had a higher speed rating than Jordy, smh.

  91. stellarperformance says: Nov 19, 2011 10:11 PM

    buhbay1c says: Nov 19, 2011 8:40 AM
    The thing is, people aren’t used to seeing in-shape white guys within Green Bay’s city limits. I mean honestly, have you ever seen a cut away shot of the crowd?
    ——————————————————————-

    Earth to buhbay1c….photoshop the colors and the cut-away shot could be any stadium in this country (but not you of course, right?)

  92. stellarperformance says: Nov 19, 2011 10:17 PM

    He’s not fast for a white guy…he’s fast for any guy. He was an outstanding track and field athlete in high school winning four events; the 100 (10.63), 200 (21.64), 400 (48.79) and long jump (22-09.50) titles his senior year in Class 3A. He was also an all-state basketball player averaging 17.2 points per game his senior year. Not too many NFL players have those stats on their resume. It may be high school but boys become men and their athletic prowess usually gets better.

  93. johnnyb216 says: Nov 19, 2011 11:47 PM

    He’s pretty fly for a white guy!!… Ahahahaha!!_

  94. jagwar73 says: Nov 20, 2011 12:03 AM

    @buhbay1c: Hilarious and probably true

  95. shaggytoodle says: Nov 20, 2011 12:15 AM

    He probably is underrated, along with McCarthy, because they dont make for good interviews they do thier job.

    Get it done, and move on to the next week. That and thier are just so many awesome people around them its hard to recognition.

  96. cover2blitz0 says: Nov 20, 2011 12:54 AM

    nelson needs to come to tampa and reunite with freeman like back at ksu and finally give josh a legit wr

  97. norcalirish says: Nov 20, 2011 6:10 AM

    There’s no such thing as “reverse racism”. It’s just racism.

  98. yooperman says: Nov 20, 2011 7:55 AM

    n response to the comment about white people being over weight in Green Bay. It only looks that way.
    You have to understand that most people have on underamour, polar fleece, a sweat shirt, a goose down vest, a parka, an outer layer of something green and gold and this is just to go to store. They really bundle up to go to football games.

  99. leeeeeron says: Nov 20, 2011 1:27 PM

    We see a fairly equal mix of black and white players at offensive/defensive line and linebacker. We have only a handfull of white recievers in the NFL a few halfbacks and virtually no cornerbacks.

    We need to try to keep racism out of sports. There are physical differences between different races, and professional sports highlights that fact. The NFL, like any business, is about survival of the fittest. Whoever is the most productive at the time will hold the position and make the $$

  100. rcali says: Nov 20, 2011 3:28 PM

    He’s not white he’s “Kansas American.”

  101. kzaleski2000 says: Dec 27, 2011 10:56 AM

    i meet jordy nelson when i was in the hospital for a check up!! i had to go in for a check up cause i have cystic fibrosis!!! before i meet jordy i wasnt a huge fan. but after i met jordy and collons i am the BIGGEST packer fan you willl ever find! i got a make-a-wish trip a couple years ago and if i meet them before my wish it would of been to meet the packer players!! i love all the packer players!! you guys are doing varry good this season!! jeep it up! and be super bowl winners again!!!:) and dont forget GO PACK GOOO!! i have a picture but idk how to put it up here lol sorryyy!

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