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Jerry Rice: Norv Turner is a coach that can’t get you over the hump

J. Rice N. Turner

Jerry Rice is one of the greatest players of all time and he played under Norv Turner in Oakland.

So his opinion of Turner carries a little weight.

Rice says that Rex Ryan was right: The Chargers would have won a title or two with Ryan in San Diego.

“Norv Turner is one of those coaches that just can’t you over the hump,” Rice said on SportsCenter Monday. “I played under this guy, it’s just something about Norv Turner and say, a Bill Walsh.  Bill Walsh would really give you that incentive to go out there and play football.”

Host Chris McKendry pointed out to Rice that most coaches would suffer in comparison to Bill Walsh.  Rice didn’t want to hear it.

“I played under Norv Turner and I know what he brings to the table,” Rice said.

It’s worth pointing out now that Rice didn’t play for Turner for long.  When Turner got the Raiders head coaching job, he buried Rice on the Raiders depth chart so that the team could develop Doug Gabriel, Alvis Whitted, and Ronald Curry.  (Good times.)

Turner eventually traded Rice to the Seahawks, essentially for free.

Since that happened, Rice has repeatedly said that Turner is the “worst coach” that he ever played for at any level from Pop Warner to the pros. Rice has taken every chance he can to disparage Turner through the media.

So Rice’s opinion of Turner is worthy of note, but it’s not exactly unbiased.

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75 Responses to “Jerry Rice: Norv Turner is a coach that can’t get you over the hump”
  1. bozosforall says: Nov 21, 2011 2:56 PM

    Jerry Rice is right. AJ Smith also needs to go. His title as “The Lord of No Rings” will never be relinquished.

  2. schmitty2 says: Nov 21, 2011 2:59 PM

    Norv Tuner/A.J. Smith=recipe for mediocrity

  3. rollinghighwayblues says: Nov 21, 2011 2:59 PM

    “he buried Rice on the Raiders depth chart so that the team could develop Doug Gabriel, Alvis Whitted, and Ronald Curry”

    Who?

  4. snarkzilla says: Nov 21, 2011 3:00 PM

    So here’s a story that ends with the advice to pay no attention to it.

  5. souldogdave says: Nov 21, 2011 3:01 PM

    Jerry rules, end of story.

  6. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Nov 21, 2011 3:01 PM

    “Norv Turner is one of those coaches that just can’t you over the hump,”

    Did you forget the word “get” after can’t and before you?

  7. kh221 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:02 PM

    Norv is an idiot. He calls a timeout before deciding on whether to challenge a play. If he just throws the flag initially, the worst thing that happens is he loses a timeout. Instead, he manages to lose two.

  8. clayclay says: Nov 21, 2011 3:02 PM

    Emmett Smith did more post trade. Jerry probably liked SF better than WA.

  9. panamon says: Nov 21, 2011 3:02 PM

    Shame he’s going to let personal biases influence his opinion on something he knows little about because he’s not in that locker room. Rice has been a lazy analyst since signing on with ESPN and that’s been easy to see, all of his analysis is typical crap opinion thrown around and no real good football information.

  10. bossplayer213 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:03 PM

    Okay, so at the beginning you say Rice’s opinion carries a little weight, then go on to list reasons why his opinion doesn’t carry any weight.

    Okay….

  11. sirmixalotalotalot says: Nov 21, 2011 3:03 PM

    I think Jerry Rice is 100% right. If a coach consistently has decent teams that never win in the playoffs than its the coach’s fault. The GM clearly has assembled teams that have talent and its the job of the coach to make it “click.”

    Comments like this don’t happen early in the career of a coach. They happen when a guy has been given chance after chance and keeps falling short

  12. samrow39 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:04 PM

    Best thing for rest of AFC West? “Norv Truner’s contract has been extended…..” –AJ Smith.

  13. blackcatnfl says: Nov 21, 2011 3:04 PM

    This sounds personal, and frankly silly. Players need to step up in playoff time. That hasn’t happened in San Diego.

  14. thegreatness34 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:05 PM

    Rice… Great receiver, but dumb as a post, articulate as a forf grader, and can thank his lucky stars he had Montana and Young.

  15. jimbo75025 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:06 PM

    ……..and in other news, water is wet and the sky is blue.

    Regardless of this is coming from an ex-player with an axe to grind, no real news here as 95% of those who follow the NFL even a small bit would tell you the same thing.

  16. mrfrostyj says: Nov 21, 2011 3:07 PM

    Didn’t Turner get the job because the last guy apparently “couldn’t get the team over the hump” as well? I think the guy does pretty well for a coach that can communicate without actually moving his mouth.

  17. chipper41 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:07 PM

    If you are a charger fan you have to hope that the team loses most of its remaining games so ownership is forced to remove Norv Turner. They will keep him around if this team goes on a run and finishes a game out of the playoffs.

  18. oside760 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:09 PM

    thank god someone said it

  19. Davo says: Nov 21, 2011 3:09 PM

    “Doug Gabriel, Alvis Whitted, and Ronald Curry.”

    Am I the only one these names didn’t ring bells for?

  20. Nevis says: Nov 21, 2011 3:13 PM

    Trading one Schottenheimer for another.

  21. tundey says: Nov 21, 2011 3:14 PM

    While I think Norv can’t take you over the hump, I think a lot of teams in the NFL would be glad to get to that hump. And that’s why Norv will almost certainly have a job in the NFL. He’s not the best but he’s so much better than the worst. Think the Redskins wouldn’t have traded anything to get Norv instead of suffering through 2 years of Zorn? Or 2 years of Old Ball Coach?

  22. rpiotr01 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:15 PM

    If Turner decided that the combination of Doug Gabriel, Alvis Whitted and Ronald Curry was better than Jerry Rice – even one legged, old man, half speed Jerry Rice – then any and all bias is well deserved.

  23. moseszd says: Nov 21, 2011 3:19 PM

    You don’t need to be a HOF WR to know Norv Turner will never get you over the hump. So regardless of Rice’s ‘biases’ in the matter, we’ve got a long history of Norv Turner not being good enough.

  24. wallacejay says: Nov 21, 2011 3:20 PM

    Get over the hump…Norv can barely even get to the hump. This team has gotten worse every year since he took over.

  25. AlanSaysYo says: Nov 21, 2011 3:20 PM

    I have no idea why the consensus greatest receiver of all time is so insecure that he feels the need to kick dirt in Norv Turner’s face.

    If I were the greatest receiver of all time, I’d sit on my yacht sipping imported gin while a supermodel read my fan mail for me.

  26. alexexum12 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:22 PM

    He should be fired at the end of the season if they don’t make the playoffs.

  27. blackqbwhiterb says: Nov 21, 2011 3:23 PM

    Jerry ought to have a little more class than that, even if it’s true. You’re not Desean Jackson, you’re Jerry Rice, for crying out loud!! Bigger than life, all time greats are supposed to have more dignity than to talk that way.

  28. steviekthr3e says: Nov 21, 2011 3:28 PM

    Ugh Alvis Whitted. I just puked a little.

  29. unbiased8383 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:28 PM

    Jerry Rice: “No one is good. I was great. That guy sucks. I was great.”

  30. rajbais says: Nov 21, 2011 3:30 PM

    How much cash did ESPN have to pay Jerry Rice???

    Whatever they’re paying him is worth it because he knows one thing, the truth!!!

  31. bearsstillsuck says: Nov 21, 2011 3:31 PM

    I wonder what Rice would say about Reid. they seem to have the same complaints.

  32. scytherius says: Nov 21, 2011 3:32 PM

    While everyone knows that … the real problem with the Chargers, like several teams, is the owner.

  33. renaissanceman87 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:37 PM

    Mike McCarthy is the worst coach I ever played under…

    Signed,
    Brett Favre

  34. tinbender2000 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:38 PM

    At least Norv doesn’t have them at 14-2, otherwise they would have to fire him.

  35. slammincamnewton says: Nov 21, 2011 3:39 PM

    It’s okay. Turner should be gone ASAP after season. If he’s not, Spanos should go ahead and can AJ Smith, along with Turner. Smith destroyed this team from the inside out.

  36. failcopter says: Nov 21, 2011 3:41 PM

    Jerry Rice: Master of the Obvious

  37. blackdonnelly says: Nov 21, 2011 3:41 PM

    it must be the curse of Schottenheimer past.

  38. icanspeel says: Nov 21, 2011 3:41 PM

    I think by now most people realize this about Norv so it isn’t really an epiphany or anything. Unless the Chargers make a miraculous comeback this year Norv is probably good as gone at the end of the year.

  39. gdeli says: Nov 21, 2011 3:48 PM

    true. at least shotty got them to the afc champ game.

  40. icyhuck says: Nov 21, 2011 3:49 PM

    wow kh221 good point

  41. ambitoos says: Nov 21, 2011 3:50 PM

    It’s time to talk about AJ and Norv Tuner in the past tense. We’ve bottomed out with this team they built.

  42. charlutes says: Nov 21, 2011 3:50 PM

    Rice maybe right. Norv’s consistently underproduced with quality talent.

  43. jjbadd says: Nov 21, 2011 3:52 PM

    I am a Broncos fan but even if i wasn’t, my opinion of Norv Turner would be the same. I really think he is a better coordinator than a head coach. I don’t know his career record as far as wins/losses, but it can’t be much above 500? He does need to be removed as HC…

  44. slyordie says: Nov 21, 2011 3:53 PM

    If Chargers miss the playoffs, Turner is out. AJ’s mouthpiece Kevin Acee has already said this.

  45. fofofotey says: Nov 21, 2011 3:58 PM

    Jerry Rice loves him some Jerry Rice. But he’s probably right.

  46. oaktown49er says: Nov 21, 2011 4:00 PM

    Turner is a good OC and a bad head coach. This guy consistently snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

  47. horatio69 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:01 PM

    Considering Norvell Turner’s long tenure in the NFL, combined with his lack of success, I have but one question:

    Which NFL executive does he have nude pictures of? Blackmail is the only reason this milquetoast keeps getting NFL jobs.

  48. adirtyplayernamedsue says: Nov 21, 2011 4:04 PM

    And Rice has coached on what level??

  49. rdawg911 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:04 PM

    Norvell is out…Cowher in?

  50. SOBEIT says: Nov 21, 2011 4:10 PM

    Norv is probably better as an asst coach than the head coach. But just look at his record. How far has Norv gotten with really good teams? How far has Rice gotten with really good teams? Even if there were some bitterness, the records speak for themselves.

  51. vanmorrissey says: Nov 21, 2011 4:10 PM

    Another Hall of Fame player who states the obvious when a mike is stuck in front of his face. Hey, Jerry, why don’t you tell us something we don’t know.

  52. lanjoith says: Nov 21, 2011 4:13 PM

    As I diehard Chargers fan who lives and dies with each game it is obvious that Norv is out-coached in games. He inherited probably the most talent laced roster in the NFL in ’07 and they were coming off a 14-2 season. Talent us what led the Chargers to the playlets in Norvs first 3 seasons. Guys are getting older now and AJ hasn’t been drafting great and that is where coaching comes in. The playcalling is awful. I would put 11 in the box on 1st down because 95% of the time its going to be a run up the middle. Dont even get me started about Greg “vanilla” Manusky. If Rex Ryan, Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy coached the team for the last 5 seasons they would have won multiple championships. Now back to being a Chargers fan …

  53. giablommi says: Nov 21, 2011 4:14 PM

    Jerry Rice was a great player, maybe the best WR of all time. Always respected the way he carried himself back in the day.

    But other that O.J. Simpson, I can’t think of too many other retired players who have done more to have me lose respect for them after their playing days than # 80.

  54. hornet0123 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:20 PM

    Schottenheimer > Turner

  55. vuudu says: Nov 21, 2011 4:21 PM

    Thanks Gregg for that ending. I was taken aback by his sharp jibe at Norv. Your last sentence put everything in proper perspective. I think Rice has no interest in coaching in the NFL as you don’t do this to the fraternity.

  56. mcjon22 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:24 PM

    And in other news, the sky is blue, the kettle is black, and this evening the sun will set in the west.

  57. bearsfan13 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:32 PM

    Jerry Rice is right, but Turner gave him away essentially for free because he was pretty much washed up. How did he do in Seattle?

  58. fazzle1 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:34 PM

    Jerry Rice is clearly insane.

    Norv Turner is a coach that can’t even get you TO the hump.

  59. radrntn says: Nov 21, 2011 4:46 PM

    sssshhhhhhh………chargers need to keep Norv! Go Norv Go Chargers!………i just wish broncos kept Josh as well. Have to love the guy in KC as well……

  60. davidjcu says: Nov 21, 2011 4:48 PM

    Marty couldn’t get over it. But Norv can’t even get to it. It seems the every year the chargers have been getting worse since he became HC.

  61. footballfan619 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:50 PM

    When Norv was associated with the 49er’s and Raiders they sucked and the Chargers were good. Now the Niners and Raiders are in 1st place in their respective divisions while the Chargers are in last with Norv. Coincidence?

  62. alldayaldon says: Nov 21, 2011 5:40 PM

    @thegreatness34: jerry rice had a 102 rec’s & 14 td’s & 103 rec’s & 27 td’s in his jr & sr yrs respectively in college without montana or young. he is THE greatest receiver of all time. unfortunately,he hung around too long just like alot of great athletes do.

  63. rarson says: Nov 21, 2011 5:55 PM

    You don’t need to have played for him to know that Rice is right. The fact is that the Chargers have been a solid team with good talent for years, but they haven’t lived up to their potential. Anybody that’s paid any attention to the Chargers during Norv’s term as coach can see that.

  64. nathanbetz91 says: Nov 21, 2011 6:27 PM

    it doesn’t take an NFL Hall of famer to state something as obvious as this. its like the chargers need two coaches one for the regular season who can consistently get the team to the playoffs and one to coach the post season to actually go somewhere.

  65. theharshestreality says: Nov 21, 2011 6:37 PM

    Rice has been throwing others under the bus his whole life – basically an HOF Tool.

    Saying that, how did Turner get three, yes three, head caoching positions?

  66. marcsherm says: Nov 21, 2011 6:50 PM

    You don’t need to have played for Norv Turner to recognize he can’t get it done. It’s been obvious for quite some time. But I certainly don’t fault Turner for trading away Rice. Rice was clearly on a downward slide and considering he did next to nothing with Seattle, I would take my chances with a young Ronald Curry or Doug Gabriel than a washed up 40 something year old receiver no matter how good he once was.

  67. rayguyreturns says: Nov 21, 2011 8:39 PM

    Norv Turner=
    The Bill Callahan of the AFC West

    Inherits a great team and leads them to mediocrity.

    Too bad as Norv seems like a nice man. He should be a QB coach and stay behind the curtain.

  68. r502 says: Nov 21, 2011 8:57 PM

    Rice’s opinion may not be unbiased, but that does not mean he isn’t correct in hi analysis. AJ Smith is not far behind Norv on the way out the door. Smith’s drafts are littered with failure, ie Ryan Mathews and Larry English. I think he traded UP to get these two bums.

  69. thegreatness34 says: Nov 21, 2011 9:20 PM

    alldayaldon: can’t dispute JR was a great receiver, but what he did at Mississippi Valley State against other high school teams is irrelevant. JR had Bill Walsh, Roger Craig, John Taylor and 2 HOF QBs. The point is, he’s a baby and as sharp as a bowling ball. Norv may not be the greatest head coach, but piling on like that is childish and shows no class.

  70. coachism says: Nov 21, 2011 11:57 PM

    I am glad they got rid of Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season.. They have certainly improved.. lol

  71. txraiderfan says: Nov 22, 2011 1:11 AM

    No sh##!

  72. mystereo says: Nov 22, 2011 1:55 AM

    Norv Turner after taking over 14-2 roster:
    2007 playoffs: 2-1
    2008 playoffs: 1-1
    2009 playoffs: 0-1
    2010: Did not qualify for playoffs
    2011: Losing record

  73. beachview22 says: Nov 22, 2011 2:15 AM

    I was a norv believer but now have lost faith, Shottemheimer was also not a SB coach he proved that in Cleveland and KC before blowing a 14-2 season in SD in 2006, that’s when SD did have the most talent in the NFL. AJ should be fired, his drafts are lame and he got nothing for Brees and Turner not to mention the wasted drafts, 1st round wr BUSTer Rymes? 1st for steroid LB sackdance when he could have had Ware? 1st for always hurt, including college LB English when he could have had LB Mathews?(GB) if SD had kept turner the burner at RB then we could have kept LT as 3rd down back GM AJ has to go the team has no depth at wr/lb/ol and is old at TE with no replacements, the “D” coordinator sucks-can’t stop run without giving up the bomb,can’t stop the screen too predictable, no imagination even KC could pass against SD went from #1 to easy to beat

  74. yelix says: Nov 22, 2011 8:41 AM

    The difference between Marty and Norv is that Marty is actually a good coach who just had some pretty bad luck in the playoffs. In KC, he couldn’t help that Lin Elliott missed three field goals in a 7-10 loss. In Cleveland, he couldn’t help that Earnest Byner fumbled on the goal line when he was waltzing into the end zone. Yeah, sometimes he was too conservative in the playoffs, but he was a hell of a coach.

    Norv just sucks.

  75. whistler121 says: Nov 22, 2011 1:29 PM

    Jerry, don’t blame Norv because your are too stupid to know when to quit.

    It has been sad to watch your pathetic attempts to break into broadcasting around the Bay area and now at ESPN.

    Although you are the greatest receiver ever, you are classless. Just disappear from the scene.

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