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So, may I ask what exactly your wife has to do for you to say “I love you”? Does her making you a sandwich merit your love? Or maybe cleaning the house? Or is it her physical acts of affection? Do you only love her conditionally? Seems like a selfish relationship to me….but let’s go with your theory for a moment…

Let’s say that the only reason we should say “I love you,” or “I love so-n-so” is if that person has done something that “merits” our love. Then let me ask you this: If you were standing in the street and suddenly there was a drive-by shooting and a bullet was hurling straight for your head, but your best friend took that bullet instead, would you tell your friend “I love you?”

It wasn’t enough that they were your friend for you to say “I love you,” but would dying on your behalf be enough?

It kind of brings value back to that “de-valued” word doesn’t it?

See the thing is that when someone willingly dies for you, you have a very different perspective on when it is appropriate to say “I love so-and-so.”

So I just want to say, I had someone die for me even though I was a huge jerk to him, even though I hurt him. He still died for me and I didn’t deserve that kind of love in return. That’s why I have no problem saying, “I love Jesus.” And I have no problem with Tebow saying it either so long as it is with the right heart.

I’m sure that this will inevitably offend some people. I’m only trying to let you know why people say they love Jesus and why they would want to praise Him any chance they get.

By the way…I love Jesus too.

“Absolutely no tolerance for others and every bit as selfish.”

You’re confusing tolerance with respect.

1. I did watch the interview after the Jets game. He thanked Jesus towards the beginning of the interview – which you’ve said you’re okay with. After that, he answered their questions. You really have nothing to complain about.

2. You did contradict yourself. You said you don’t care if he thanks Jesus after a game. He did after the Jets game. But you complan about that. You say he mentions Jesus in response to every football question, which isn’t true. You’re either way overstating it or you really haven’t seen his interviews.

3. You’re point about “freedom of speech” isn’t going over anyone’s head. It’s just a poorly made point and doesn’t make sense. He’s allowed to say what he’s saying. You might not agree with it, but he has every right to say it.

4. Genesis 1 does not say man and woman were created simultaneously, as you claimed. Therefore, there is no contradiction. You also quote Mark 10:6 but this doesn’t contradict the Genesis account at all

Don’t tell me science has disproven this. You can’t honestly believe and expect others to believe everything came into existence by some lucky accident.

And you claim there are other contradictions in the Bible, but since you struck out on this Genesis contradiction, I’m sure you would on others as well.

5. Clearly you have no actual valid argument make in anything you say. You’ve contradicted your own statements, argued poorly against someone’s freedom of speech, argued for a Biblical contradiction that’s not there, and proven that you haven’t even watched his postgame interviews.

Have a great day and enjoy the games today.

Denying reality doesn’t make it untrue. Did you watch the interview after the Jets game? Yeah, he DID talk a little football, but he also talked equal amounts of Jesus while failing to actually answer several questions. Jesus is a more important topic to him. Many football fans would disagree with that sentiment.

“You’ve contradicted yourself.”

No I haven’t. I’ve repeatedly said that I’m annoyed by his tendency to put Jesus first IN FOOTBALL INTERVIEWS. Nobody watches FOOTBALL INTERVIEWS to hear about Jesus. I said I don’t care if he thanks Jesus after a game. That doesn’t involve repeatedly mentioning Jesus EVERY TIME HE’S ASKED A QUESTION INVOLVING FOOTBALL. Again, I’m forced to explain every little thing to a moron that feels compelled to reply to me.

“Show me an NFL policy that says he can’t mention Jesus.”

Sigh. Obviously my point went right over your head. I already explained this THOROUGHLY so I can only suggest you read my comment again, because I don’t know how to explain it any simpler.

“Simply because you don’t share Tim Tebow’s belief does not mean he cannot state them.”

I never said that. Care to respond to something I actually said? No? I didn’t think so.

“There’s no contradiction there.”

Genesis 1:1-2:3 says that man was created AFTER animals and that man and woman were created simultaneously. Genesis 2:4-2:25 says that man was created FIRST, and THEN animals, and THEN woman. Two entirely different stories. According to Jesus (Mark 10:6: “From the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.”), the second Genesis account is wrong. You must not have read your Bible. But that’s common among Christians (if they actually read it, they probably wouldn’t believe it). Hey look, another atheist who knows the Bible better than a Christian.

This is, of course, ignoring the fact that scientific knowledge pretty much disputes BOTH stories. And let’s not forget that this is ONE contradiction at the very beginning of the book. It would take me at least an hour to list ALL the contradictions in the Bible.

“I don’t know why you’re so bothered by it.”

I don’t understand why you’re bothered by me being annoyed by Tebow’s proselytizing. As I pointed out above, from the post of another Christian, you shouldn’t care, nor should Tebow, nor does he (obviously), so maybe you should just learn from him and just shut up. Because you obviously don’t have the intellectual argument going for you.

Look, I’m sorry, man, but these are some of the worst arguments I’ve ever seen or heard. Are you thinking these through and reading what you post?

You say Tebow is hijacking interviews and proselytizing? Give me a break. This makes me wonder if you’ve ever seen or heard an interview with him. Thanking Jesus as part of a response to a question at the beginning of an interview is hardly hijacking the interview. He does answer what he’s asked. For you to say he doesn’t shows you pay no attention to such interviews.

On the one hand, you say you don’t mind if he thanks Jesus after the game. On the other, when he does this, all of a sudden you say he’s hijacking the interview and proselytizing and he’s rude and selfish. Make up your mind. You’ve contradicted yourself.

The simple fact is that, yes, you are calling him rude and selfish simply because you don’t agree with his beliefs. And it is strange that you’re so bothered by him thanking Jesus.

Your points about his freedom of speech are nonsensical. Simply because he plays for an NFL team and represents the NFL when interviewed does not mean he cannot mention Jesus. Show me an NFL policy that says he can’t mention Jesus.

For you to equate Tebow mentioning Jesus with Rex Ryan using profanity towards a fan is ridiculous.

Simply because you don’t share Tim Tebow’s belief does not mean he cannot state them. I get the point you’re trying to make about how he shouldn’t have freedom of speech – it’s just poorly made and you have no support for it. Tebow has every right to thank Jesus following a game.

And you’re wrong about Genesis 1. There’s no contradiction there. Genesis 1:1 says God created the heavens and the earth and the rest of the chapter tells us how. I don’t know where you see a contradiction in that.

Complain all you want to that you’re annoyed by Tebow mentioning Jesus. He has every right to, and to be annoyed by that to the degree that you are says a lot about you. I don’t know why you’re so bothered by it.

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving!

“I don’t know about his NFL career, but he is doing what ALL Christians are called to do in Matthew.”

I understand that, but please try to understand that not everyone believes in your religion. In fact, the majority of the world doesn’t. Therefore, we don’t care what your book says about what you should do, because we think your book is wrong (whether you’re talking about atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, etc).

“We’re actually supposed to be the outsiders, who aren’t as concerned with being liked as we are with being faithful & totally sold out to the Lord. This is going to cost Tebow fans, heck this may be the end of the Tebow love affair, but if he’s not worshipping football or fame, then he will be okay with that.”

So Tebow doesn’t care that he’s rubbing people the wrong way. I mean, I guess I can understand that, although I’d think that if you really wanted to spread a message, you wouldn’t do it in such a polarizing way. Regardless, if we accept that Tebow doesn’t mind annoying some people, then he also shouldn’t care that people ARE getting annoyed. Although, I don’t think it’s Tebow that has a problem with the reaction he’s getting, it’s clearly some of the people posting on here. Maybe those people could learn a lesson or two from Tebow.

“Why should Tebow feel any different from the 12 disciples of Jesus Christ who only talked about the Lord 24/7 like Tebow is? Is that kind of faith only reserved for the 12 disciples of Jesus?”

Welcome to the 21st century. A lot has happened over the last 2000 years. You might want to try to catch up.

We also don’t stone people anymore, FYI.

HA HA HA, yeah… the Bible doesn’t condone slavery, either.

I got news for you, the Bible even contradicts ITSELF. Start at the beginning, Genesis 1:1. Read the creation story. Then continue reading and read an entirely different creation story.

Go ahead, pick and choose whatever you want to believe from the Bible. Just don’t expect anyone else to care about what you’re picking and choosing, because there are a lot of people out there who see it for what it is: a really old and really crappy book of fairy tales.

“If you don’t like him being in love with his God, go find something else to watch.”

I had no idea football was all about people expressing love for God. Why bother scoring points then?

@lunchbox92

“That’s what he does. It’s after the game that he thanks Jesus. I’m not sure what you’re issue is with what he does.”

Right. And then he does it again. And again. And again. And people ask him questions about football and he ignores them and talks about Jeebus some more.

I don’t care if he’s talking about naked women, it’s annoying. If you’re not going to do press correctly then you shouldn’t be on camera. Of course, it’s not like Tebow is forcing them to shove a camera in his face.

“Tebow thanking Jesus is not ‘rude and selfish’ just because it bothers you.”

Of course not, it’s rude and selfish because people are trying to watch SPORTS COVERAGE and he’s hijacking it to push his religious beliefs on other people. Again, back to the wife analogy, even IF he was talking about his wife SOLELY because he loves her (which, by the way, he’s not, he’s proselytizing), it’s STILL SELFISH AND RUDE of him to hijack an interview and ignore the people talking to him that are trying to give fans the content they tune in to see, just so he can spread the word about how much he loves his wife. If this were anyone other than Jesus that he was talking about, they wouldn’t wouldn’t put up with it.

I like watching him play (since he thankfully isn’t on my team). It’s entertaining. But I don’t like watching him talk because he always says the same thing, over and over again. Okay dude, we get it. You love Jesus. Get a room.

“And, yes, Tebow does still have freedom of speech when he’s in an NFL uniform. He’s not suddenly exempt from that. Sorry about that.”

You’re not getting it. I wasn’t saying that Tebow isn’t allowed to talk about Jesus, I was saying that Tebow doesn’t necessarily have the freedom to say whatever he wants as a representative of the NFL. Again, like I said, see Rex Ryan. Thus far, they haven’t decided to do anything, so I’m assuming they don’t have any problem with it. But my comment was in response to the people claiming that Tebow is free to say whatever he wants due to freedom of speech. That doesn’t apply here when you’re representing an organization like the NFL.

But it’s STRANGE to see so-called “Christians” criticizing what Tebow said. If you believe that Christ died on that cross for your sins & you accept the bible as His inspired word, then you should also KNOWt that nothing you accomplish in this life without HIM matters. Go back & read the book of Acts if you think Tebow should ‘tone it down’.

I don’t know about his NFL career, but he is doing what ALL Christians are called to do in Matthew. We’re actually supposed to be the outsiders, who aren’t as concerned with being liked as we are with being faithful & totally sold out to the Lord. This is going to cost Tebow fans, heck this may be the end of the Tebow love affair, but if he’s not worshipping football or fame, then he will be okay with that.

You said, “If he wants to thank Jesus after a game, that’s fine…”

That’s what he does. It’s after the game that he thanks Jesus. I’m not sure what you’re issue is with what he does.

Tebow thanking Jesus is not “rude and selfish” just because it bothers you. It’s pretty sad that that would bother you so much.

And, yes, Tebow does still have freedom of speech when he’s in an NFL uniform. He’s not suddenly exempt from that. Sorry about that.

Given the depths of his feelings, which I do believe are genuine, wouldn’t it make sense to pick a career that would allow him to better serve and act in accordance with the wishes of Christ? I would think he could serve Christ’s wishes for how we should ALL treat our fellow man a whole lot better if he was teaching poor kids to read and/or feeding the hungry. I am reasonably confident that making a first down is fairly low on God’s agenda and certainly was not the reason Christ sacrificed himself for us.

You certainly don’t see the big picture here do you. Mr. Tebow is using his God given talents as a foundation for serving God.

http://www.timtebowfoundation.org/outreach

Playing football maximizes Tebow’s ability to share the love of Christ with others, both in his personal messages and through his foundation.

I think as a society we came to used to the players who talk in the 3rd person or where everthing is I – I – I. A man named Tebow, who will stumble one day, is putting Jesus first in his life and the problem with that is?

Now he is not a very accurate QB but he is winning games and his priorities are in tact.

If we are ashamed of Jesus Christ, at his appearing he will be ashamed of us before his heavenly Father. What I see Tebow doing, he professes Christ without shame. Even if we speak much of Jesus our hearts should be close to him, too. Tebow is not polarizing to you, he is extremely polarizing to the fallen angel Lucifer for proclaiming the salvation in Jesus Christ.

During the off season last year, there were numerous stories about how great it was that there were muslim players and that teams actually CHANGED their practices to accommodate these players!

Tebow is a Christian. So what? He loves his God? So what? He actively practices his faith? So what!

If you don’t like him being in love with his God, go find something else to watch.

As for Tebow being an untalented QB, well, there are plenty of untalented QB’s out there. Michael Vick, for one, is not a very good quarterback – he’s a running back who thinks he can throw the ball. Plus, Mike Vick is a convicted felon, dog killer, who personally profited from his crimes.

I say just let Tebow play. If he is on a roll and his teammates like him and play for him, he’s already doing a better job than half of the QBs in the NFL. If Tebow is a short term wonder, then this will all take care of itself.

In the mean time, you Christian haters can just shove your indignation. Or, become a muslim and have the NFL kiss your little fanny.