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Lack of remorse won’t help Suh

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In the very near future, the NFL will determine the sanction to be imposed on Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh for his stunning stomping of Packers guard Evans Dietrich-Smith.  And Suh’s refusal to express remorse or accept blame won’t help him.

The process will commence with Ray Anderson and Merton Hanks from the league office determining the proper penalty.  It can be a fine, it can be a suspension, or it can be both.  Suh’s history of fines for on-field infractions will be a factor, since repeat offenders typically receive higher levels of discipline.

The league internal rules require each case to be evaluated based on its own facts and circumstances, which “includes determining whether the infraction occurred during the normal course of a game or outside the normal course of a game.”  Flagrant, unnecessary, avoidable, and gratuitous actions are regarded as being beyond the course of a game, and Suh’s actions — pushing Dietrich-Smith’s helmet into the ground and then stomping on him — put him in line for enhanced penalties.

Suh will be informed of the decision no later than Tuesday.  If Suh, or his agent, choose to disclose the information, the rest of us will know about it at some point thereafter.  Typically, the NFL makes the information available upon specific request on Friday .  As a result, we’ll know within a week whether and to what extent Suh will be suspended.

A suspension doesn’t mean that Suh will miss next Sunday’s game against the Saints, which will be televised in primetime by NBC.  Instead, if Suh exercises his appeal rights (he’ll have three days), he’ll be able to delay the suspension by a week or two, depending on the time required to resolve the appeal.

Either way, a refusal by Suh to admit that he was wrong will hurt him, either when the decision is made by the league office or when the men who handle the appeals — Art Shell or Ted Cotrell — consider whether Suh can make a persuasive case for lenience.  Any assertion that conflicts with the obvious evidence captured on tape will keep Suh from catching a break, either before the men who will make the decision in the first instance, or before the men who will review that decision.

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  1. callmecougar says: Nov 25, 2011 6:49 PM

    Suh’s roided up balls are the same size as his pea-sized brain and any of you clowns that have the nerve to defend him have an even smaller set.

  2. chargers308 says: Nov 25, 2011 6:56 PM

    Donkey Kong Suh is on the lions!

  3. garyman1 says: Nov 25, 2011 6:56 PM

    You blew it this time Ndamukong… Merton Hanks has the longest neck in the history of mankind and he will not be happy when he watches the video of you pushing down the linemans head and twisting his neck.

  4. chatttty says: Nov 25, 2011 6:57 PM

    as a lions fan this is embarrassing… we finally have a good season and its over shadowed be all the b.s.
    I hate to say it because it might kill this season but he should be suspended and fined HEAVILY it might help him in the long term.

  5. jc1958cool says: Nov 25, 2011 6:57 PM

    this guy will be roger’s example!1-3 games
    how much per game? he could lose a million, what a jerk!!

  6. derekjetersmansion says: Nov 25, 2011 6:58 PM

    I feel a lot of people secretly like his dirtiness.

  7. mrcincinnati says: Nov 25, 2011 6:59 PM

    im so sick of hearing about this bum..i used to like this guy and actually rooted for the lions as well..suspend him for the rest of the season, and im also pretty sure he will lose his endorsment deals..he needs a very serious wake up call to make him realize i do have it pretty good..and if he doesnt get it after that i cant wait for him to bag my groceries..

  8. azcardinal32 says: Nov 25, 2011 6:59 PM

    “A suspension doesn’t mean that Suh will miss next Sunday’s game against the Lions, which will be televised in primetime by NBC.”

    Now THAT would be interesting to watch, at what time can I expect to tune into Suh vs. the Detroit Lions?

  9. tavisteelersfan says: Nov 25, 2011 7:00 PM

    Remind you of anyone? Profile of Mean Joe Greene from Wikipedia … the anchor in the Steelers turnaround from losers to winners.

    “After he was drafted, Greene quickly established himself as a dominant defensive player. He was strong, quick and intense. He was the NFL’s Rookie of the Year in 1969, even though he played on a Steelers team that went 1-13 in Chuck Noll’s first year as its head coach. The Steelers quickly improved over the next few seasons. Greene later admitted that he was upset with being drafted by the Steelers due to their long history of losing. He often showed his displeasure on the field, including an incident during a game with the Chicago Bears in which he spat in the face of Dick Butkus and challenged Butkus, long considered the NFL’s meanest player, to a fight.

    In his early years with the Steelers, Greene was at times uncontrollable, and often let his temper get the best of him. At one time, during a 1975 game against the rival Cleveland Browns at Cleveland Municipal Stadium in which the Steelers won 42-6, Greene repeatedly kicked Browns lineman Bob McKay in the groin while McKay was lying on the ground.[6] Another incident had Greene snap the ball away from the center while the opposing team was lining up for a play. He had no tolerance for losing, and the team veterans quickly took notice. His intense desire to win rallied the veterans around him, and with great drafts as well as superb coaching, the Steelers franchise soon began to undergo a dramatic makeover. Joe Greene was credited as the cornerstone of the great Steelers dynasty and the most important player in team history.

    Greene was the leader and the anchor of the “Steel Curtain” defense that won four Super Bowls in the 1970s[citation needed]. He was recognized as the NFL Defensive Player of the Year in both 1972 and 1974. He, along with other members of the Steelers’ front four (L. C. Greenwood, Dwight White and Ernie Holmes) even appeared on the cover of Time magazine. In Super Bowl IX, Greene became the first player ever to record an interception, a forced fumble, and fumble recovery in a single Super Bowl. He went to the Pro Bowl 10 times during his career.

    Greene is also well-known for the “stunt 4-3″ defense, in which he would line up at an angle, between the center and guard, and would explode into the line taking up 2-3 blockers. He started doing this sometime in the 1974 season, and while it cut down on the number of sacks he racked up, it freed up his other defensive teammates like middle linebacker Jack Lambert to make tackles with ease[citation needed]”

  10. 2greatgoldens says: Nov 25, 2011 7:00 PM

    His coach doesn’t seem to think he did anything wrong, so I guess he doesn’t either. This turd has been enabled all his life. Now the entire country knows exactly what a POS Suh is.

  11. foosballisthedevil says: Nov 25, 2011 7:00 PM

    A suspension doesn’t mean that Suh will miss next Sunday’s game against the Lions, which will be televised in primetime by NBC.

  12. tavisteelersfan says: Nov 25, 2011 7:01 PM

    why punish him more than Richard Seymour for punching Rothlesberger after a play???

  13. spytdi says: Nov 25, 2011 7:01 PM

    2 game suspension

  14. fuddpucker says: Nov 25, 2011 7:04 PM

    Suh-ner or later he’s going to be suspended.

  15. bwilson124 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:05 PM

    As a Packer fan I did like seeing him become an idiot for that moment, as it helped my team win. However as a football fan this sucks on a lot of levels. I have always been sort of a defender of Suh, never thinking of him as a dirty player but rather as a fierce lineman who just plays hard. But this, this is different. He has some issues with his emotions, and seemingly can’t control them. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he didn’t even remember doing it, but the tape don’t lie, he did it. And his interview makes it sound like he firmly believes he did nothing wrong. I hope for his sake he gets his head screwed on straight, or his career will become a bust (Lawrence Phillips, Charlie Rogers, etc…)

  16. lionsfanatic84 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:05 PM

    I’m glad he’s a lion, sure he needs to channel his aggression, but he would be an upgrade at dt on every team. But most people will call Schwartz, the lions and the city of Detroit dirty, but put him on your team and you’ll change your tune.

  17. cowboynation919 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:06 PM

    Suspend that piece of trash, start making an example out of him.

    Fines will do nothing.

  18. littlejohn4life says: Nov 25, 2011 7:07 PM

    “A suspension doesn’t mean that Suh will miss next Sunday’s game against the Lions”

    say what

  19. thefiesty1 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:08 PM

    Suspend him the rest of the season without pay. As to the previous article even his former teammates said he try’s to hurt the opponent rather than play football. Make an example out of this jerk. Let him find a new line of work.

  20. marshmont says: Nov 25, 2011 7:09 PM

    albert junior.

  21. mnajb says: Nov 25, 2011 7:09 PM

    He looked like a, truly terrifying, 300 lb 6 year old throwing a tantrum.

  22. notjcred says: Nov 25, 2011 7:10 PM

    Regardless of appeal, Jim Schwartz will destroy any of the remaining “feel-good” sentiment for the Lions if Suh is not deactivated next week.

  23. danielcp0303 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:10 PM

    Take whatever punishment they give you and move on. Stop doing dumb things and you won’t have to explain yourself every week. If he keeps this up, teams are going to realize he isn’t worth the trouble somewhere down the line.

  24. Andre's Johnson says: Nov 25, 2011 7:11 PM

    Suspend him for four games. That way, he’ll have the pleasant experience of finishing the season against the Packers. In Green Bay.

  25. gtmann says: Nov 25, 2011 7:12 PM

    Could be a tough game, Lions vs Lions. I think I’ll take the Lions.

  26. glac1 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:14 PM

    I think he’s beyond help. It might be time for the franchise to be penalized along with the player so also assume some responsibility.

  27. dhnguyen66 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:14 PM

    Ndamoukong…

    I’m not mad, I’m disappointed.

    Coming into this season, everyone loved the toughness you brought to the Lions. Now we realize you’re actually a really big jerk. Hopefully this is a growing experience and things get better, because I think everybody still kind of likes you in a weird way.

    Well, until someone gives you a $100 million contract in a few years, then it’s on again.

  28. thridandlong says: Nov 25, 2011 7:14 PM

    He would first need to know the definition of ‘remorse ‘, given his ignorant play and behavior on the field, that’s a long shot !

  29. kd727 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:15 PM

    HGH is a hell of a drug!

  30. coochee says: Nov 25, 2011 7:18 PM

    In The Longest Yard, Burt Reynolds solved the problem of a big defensive lineman by telling his O-linemen to let him come through and when he did, Burt threw a dart right at his nads–two times in a row.

    So, how do you solve a problem like Ndamakong? You know he has a temper problem, so you put in your backup OG and tell him to hold Suh for dear life and don’t let him go hoping that Suh will do something stupid and get himself ejected for the game and possibly multiple games. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! You got to hand it to whoever came up with that plan.

  31. vuudu says: Nov 25, 2011 7:18 PM

    Suh versus the Lions will be some game.

  32. gmacc85 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:19 PM

    Dirty play! Why is it that idiots like this make all this money? Like actors being payed millions to act like they saved a live but the real heroes who do it everyday won’t ever see these amounts!

  33. mattjayworker says: Nov 25, 2011 7:20 PM

    I’m a Detroit fan………………and I support suspending him for the rest of the season.

    He is clearly oblivious to proffesional boundries and the responsibilty of being an NFL star.

  34. tigerman3 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:20 PM

    first let me say as a Lions fan, I love having a dominant DT on my team . However I believe The NFL should suspend him maybe even 2-3 games or more. I Was ashamed watching that display on Thursday. Suh needs to grow up and start acting like a professional athlete on the field. He Has almost as many personal fouls as he dose tackles this year and is hurting the team. The Lions may be better off if he sits a few games.

  35. gmarcus06 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:21 PM

    i used to like this guy!..now he’s probably the most hated player in the NFL.i’ve lost all respect for him.

  36. whitecastleisafoodgroup says: Nov 25, 2011 7:21 PM

    Suh has turned out to be just another punk @sshole who will be broke five years after he is out of football.

    It’s a damn shame too. I hope they can get him and the team turned in the right direction.

  37. supersuckers3 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:21 PM

    Heard it here first. Suh has played his last down of the 2011 NFL Season.

  38. commandercornpone says: Nov 25, 2011 7:23 PM

    it is in suh’s and the lions’ best interest to accept any suspension that will get concluded in time to allow the lions to still make the playoffs and have him available for the playoffs.

    here is a preemptive bet that they will do neither of those, and either (a) miss the playoffs completely, or (b) play without him in the playoffs and lose even faster.

  39. theslex says: Nov 25, 2011 7:24 PM

    It’s been real, Suhzy. See you in 2012.

  40. sakatak says: Nov 25, 2011 7:25 PM

    Shame on you Mr. Suh, you should be ashamed of yourself. All that talent and you think you are bigger than the NFL. You might be a nice person, but you certainly do not get it when it comes to understanding the rules of the NFL. Play football the way it was meant to be played, you will never reach your potential playing the way you do.

  41. oren120 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:25 PM

    Let me just start by saying, what Suh did was absolutely absurd. He intentionally tried to kick a defenseless player. There’s no excusing that. There’s also no excusing the automatic first down he gave the Packers as a result.

    But you guys make me crack up when you’re acting like children, whining about him acting like a child. If you’re upset, that’s one thing…but one person seriously called him Ndamukong Poo? Really? Is the your local 3rd grade class writing your comments for you?

    That said, I hope he gets at least 2 games. And I’m a long time Lions fan. He’s a beast out on the field. He’s intense, and I love it. But, you have to know when to stop. I think prior to this, the dirty thing was overblown a bit at times, but there’s absolutely NO place for this type of nonsense in the game. This is no longer about whether the NFL has gone soft or not, this is about just being childish and hurting your team. Hopefully as a competitor, sitting out a couple games will finally get a message through that thick skull of his. I’d love to see him dial it back a notch, and be able to contribute without all the silliness.

  42. bigdaddy44 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:26 PM

    Stupid is as stupid does!

  43. i3addog says: Nov 25, 2011 7:27 PM

    Big deal it’s not like they have him on tape doing these dastardly deeds. Oh wait….

  44. jgrossi2210 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:27 PM

    Interesting! Don’t feel like posting my latest post Mike? Why? The truth hurt?

  45. infectorman says: Nov 25, 2011 7:28 PM

    As an adult, its one thing to commit the offense(s), its quite another to not own up to being wrong.
    Either he is very immature, very stubborn, or very stupid for trying to “explain” with logic his illogical behavior.
    Worst of all, he’s let his team and fans down by not controlling his temper tantrums…Selfish and self-centered…

    Anyone know a good anger management therapist?

  46. impeachgoodell says: Nov 25, 2011 7:29 PM

    It’s also scary that his coach refuses to discipline him, leaving it to the NFL to do the dirty work.

  47. mnajb says: Nov 25, 2011 7:32 PM

    @oren120

    … dude.. he really just looked like an angry, spastic, baby.. it was embarrassing to see a grown man unable to deal with things not going his way.

    and to be honest, 3 head slams are at least as noteworthy to me. A bruise on the arm sucks, but screwing with a linemans neck is really terrible. He will only learn by being suspended, and subsequently ostracized by his teammates for acting like a gigantic, terrifying, baby.

  48. scoops1 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:32 PM

    The Lions could learn a thing or 2 about Winning and Class from another Detriot team: The Red Wings

  49. jpb12 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:32 PM

    Eat Fresh!

  50. pftisdabomb says: Nov 25, 2011 7:33 PM

    Im all for hard hitting in football which is a game which I agree the league has been softening up with all its rules(let em play more often than not and stop throwing the flags for stupid penalties!), and have been routing for Detroit as they have been celler dwellers for FOREVER. I feel for their fans.

    Now Suh acts without thinking and then has one of the DUMBEST excuses I have ever heard. The league should make an example of him to help ensure this type of play doesnt happen and not even wait until next week. This is not what Detroit fans need with their team which has been playing much better. Suspend him and use the money to buy tickets for those games and give them to some fans who cant afford to go to them and wont have to watch his antics.

  51. Deb says: Nov 25, 2011 7:34 PM

    I think a lot of Suh’s behavior–especially deliberately yanking off helmets–is outrageous. And so is his denying things we can see for ourselves on film. The guy has attitude issues and needs a coaching intervention.

    But …

    In shoving Dietrich-Smith’s helmet into the turf and lashing out with that stomp, Suh was reacting to the moves put on him by the guard. I’m not condoning his tantrum, but he didn’t just attack Dietrich-Smith for no reason. When the NFL reviews this situation, I hope they watch the film in its entirety. Defensive players are not alone in their ability to inflict injury, and it’s time offensive players stopped getting preferential treatment.

  52. minnysoda says: Nov 25, 2011 7:38 PM

    coochee says:
    Nov 25, 2011 7:18 PM
    In The Longest Yard, Burt Reynolds solved the problem of a big defensive lineman by telling his O-linemen to let him come through and when he did, Burt threw a dart right at his nads–two times in a row.

    Ironically it was Ray Nitschke who was nadded in that movie

    Hopefully they suspend this mental midget heck he justifies his actions more than Viking fans justify their lack of Lombardi Trophies

  53. thridandlong says: Nov 25, 2011 7:40 PM

    foosballisthedevil says:
    Nov 25, 2011 7:00 PM
    A suspension doesn’t mean that Suh will miss next Sunday’s game against the Lions, which will be televised in primetime by NBC.

    ================================

    The NFL doesn’t need a second helping of this kind of on field behavior. Let’s see if Godell has the manhood to shut Suh down. Suh totally conned Godell with their sit down meeting. I am guessing Godell will cave in and let him play, which actually will be detrimental to Suh.

  54. larrymcj says: Nov 25, 2011 7:40 PM

    The NFL could stop this crap once and for all by simply making the fines up around $1 million with a 2-year suspension. All they do is slap them on the wrist (remember, even hundreds of thousands is play money to these guys)…and they keep doing it. I’m not even a Lions fan, but I’ve been happy with their season. I know their fans are not happy at all with this guy.

  55. yippityskippity69 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:46 PM

    Any apology at this point by Suh will be a well written statement given to him by Lions PR or his agent not from the man who from what I’ve seen is seriously convinced he did nothing wrong. With his talent he should let his overhyped play speak for itself. Only time he makes headlines now is for garbage like this. Dirty, tantrum type football is not to be confused with hard nosed, smash mouth football we have all grown to love. He seems to cloud the two.

  56. gb4mn0 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:47 PM

    Why is anyone looking for remorse from Suh? Remorse from a delusional psychopath especially one who believes he’s sacrosanct is like expecting a kleptomaniac to put it back.

  57. gosuhgo says: Nov 25, 2011 7:48 PM

    6 figure fine and a game at least. I’d say longer but..I’m a Lions homer and we need him. I’ve always defended him but he straight up cost us that game. It’s pretty ignorant to WIN a third down play and then cost your team the game by turning what should’ve been 10-0 into 14-0 and getting yourself ejected. The team (coach) and the league have to do something.

  58. kiopta1 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:48 PM

    I never thought Suh was dirty but that crap in the Thanksgiving day game annoyed me big time. I say give him a small suspension and get his game mind right.

  59. tavisteelersfan says: Nov 25, 2011 7:51 PM

    “After punching Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger in the face, the NFL announced Monday that Seymour would be fined $25,000 for his actions in the second quarter of Oakland’s 35-3 loss at Pittsburgh.

    However, the NFL will only fine Seymour, as no suspension was announced.”

    Suh … why pay more ?

  60. baronvonmonocle says: Nov 25, 2011 7:54 PM

    I don’t believe that Suh would intentionally stomp on anyone’s arm. He’s just not that kind of person.

    By that, of course, I mean that he was aiming for the crotch.

  61. howley1 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:54 PM

    why punish him more than Richard Seymour for punching Rothlesberger after a play???

    ——————————————————–

    Punching someone in the face is assault. Stomping them anywhere with football cleats on is assault with a deadly weapon. At very least Suh tried to end that guy’s season.

  62. Andre's Johnson says: Nov 25, 2011 7:57 PM

    How can we get ahold of Suh’s Wonderlic score? I bet that’s an interesting read.

  63. vanmorrissey says: Nov 25, 2011 7:57 PM

    So Deb is saying that it’s OK for him to do what he did since he was ‘reacting’ to what happened? One of the stupidest things ever written since, guess what, it happens on every single play along the line. Every single time these guys line up something will happen, but I guess it’s alright if anything goes since all they’re doing is ‘reacting’. Right. Crock of BS.

  64. howley1 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:59 PM

    When the NFL reviews this situation, I hope they watch the film in its entirety. Defensive players are not alone in their ability to inflict injury, and it’s time offensive players stopped getting preferential treatment.

    ————————————————————–

    If you think he was provoked, state your case and quit beating around the bush.

  65. fmwarner says: Nov 25, 2011 8:03 PM

    sakatak says: Nov 25, 2011 7:25 PM

    Play football the way it was meant to be played, you will never reach your potential playing the way you do.
    ===================================

    Oh, but haven’t you heard our favorite idiot commenters? Suh does play the game the way it’s meant to be played. The rest of us are just pansies who want flag football.

  66. xxwhodatxx says: Nov 25, 2011 8:09 PM

    I wouldn’t call that a stomping.

  67. berguli says: Nov 25, 2011 8:11 PM

    if you stop guys like suh from being agressive, you might as well dress all players up in tutu’s and give them flags on the belt…

    and since hard hits are no longer needed, why not just give everyone a 180lb weight limit… then you could say that its the heart healthy nfl as well….

    and sooner or later, those little guys, well it will be an unfair advantage to the big guys, so lets have a height limit in there too…. say 5’9″? anything taller, go play basketball.

  68. jetsetfred says: Nov 25, 2011 8:16 PM

    It’s So Cold in the D! :(

  69. test2402 says: Nov 25, 2011 8:18 PM

    Your grounded. Go to your room.

  70. 1bigtex says: Nov 25, 2011 8:19 PM

    @ Deb

    Deb, you’re wrong. Nothing the OG did would justify that behavior. One of the features of the NFL is that you can basically beat the crap out of the guy across from you every 45 seconds. The main caveat is you must cease when the whistle blows. It’s not complicated.

    I’m old enough to remember watching Conrad Dobler. I don’t recall ever even seeing Dobler do anything that deserved that level of retaliation. Close, but never to that extreme.

  71. rexismybff says: Nov 25, 2011 8:20 PM

    Q: What do you call a 350 pound Packer fan?
    A: An anorexic.

    Q: What do you call a beautiful girl in Green Bay?
    A: A tourist.

    Q: What do you call a good looking woman with a Packer fan?
    A: A hostage

    Q: Why do Packer fans smell so bad?
    A: So blind people can hate them as well.

  72. Deb says: Nov 25, 2011 8:21 PM

    vanmorrissey says:

    So Deb is saying that it’s OK for him to do what he did since he was ‘reacting’ to what happened? One of the stupidest things ever written
    ————————————————-

    No, dimwit, that is not what I said. Do you need a remedial reading course? Don’t misrepresent my post just because you’re out for Suh blood. I specifically said I didn’t condone his behavior and wasn’t making excuses for his tantrum. However, Dietrich-Smith did put a nasty move on him, so I can see why the beast was unleashed. That’s how this situation differs from from Richard Seymour by his own admission just slamming Roethlisberger for no reason, or Haynesworth just taking a notion to stomp on Gurode’s head.

    Since Seymour wasn’t suspended, I see no reason Suh should be. The ejection, coupled with what I’m sure will be a large fine, will be sufficient. I’d only support a suspension if Goodell made clear it was for this incident combined with the helmet-yanking incidents. The bloodlust of a bunch of knee-jerk reactionaries who’ve suddenly decided Suh should take the hit for every dirty play in the NFL doesn’t sway me. He’s no angel, but he’s not Jack the Ripper either.

  73. rmc1995 says: Nov 25, 2011 8:23 PM

    He was provoked and was openly held on previously plays the refs refused to call. Admit you are a witch repent and live. Continue to insist your innocence and meet the gallows.

  74. blackbug99 says: Nov 25, 2011 8:24 PM

    Ndam’ed if he shows remorse; Ndam’ed if he doesn’t, and deservedly so!!!

  75. Soulman45 says: Nov 25, 2011 8:30 PM

    May be it was wrong but it what it is.

  76. thejuddstir says: Nov 25, 2011 8:30 PM

    “Deb” obviously isn’t playing with a full deck to defend the actions of Suh as being “reactionary”. I guess those people who exercise “road rage” when someone cuts them off in traffic are totally justified……as least in “Deb’s” mind they would be. Run ‘em off the road, drag ‘em outta the car and beat the hell out of them”.

    On a separate issue, this is for all those Packer fans who think their Packer players are such upstanding citizens and men compared to other teams in the league (forget Brandon Underwood and Johnny Jolly), but his just posted by AP :

    “GREEN BAY, Wis. – Green Bay Packers outside linebacker Erik Walden was arrested Friday on suspicion of felony domestic violence/substantial battery and will remain in the Brown County Jail until at least Monday.

    Walden allegedly assaulted his live-in girlfriend at the couple’s apartment in Lawrence, just outside of Green Bay. Because of the Thanksgiving holiday, the Brown County Court is closed for the weekend, so while Walden’s teammates have the next three days off following the team’s 27-15 Thanksgiving Day victory at Detroit, Walden will remain in jail

  77. Deb says: Nov 25, 2011 8:31 PM

    @howley1 …

    If I think he was provoked, just say so? Dude, I said he was reacting to the move Dietrich-Smith put on him. Do you understand the definition of provoked? :roll:

    Yeah, he was provoked. But just because you’re provoked doesn’t mean you can stomp a guy with your cleats. My comment was clear. He was provoked, but I don’t condone his reaction. It’s ridiculous to see everyone carrying on like this over a situation where he was provoked because he could have done more damage jerking off helmets–which he’s done repeatedly with no provocation–and that never seemed to bother you guys.

  78. rmc1995 says: Nov 25, 2011 8:34 PM

    The game was meant to be played by brutal men. Rules were initiated to stop people from dying on the field. The NFL was started with men who were in WWI and grew in popularity with men who were in WWII. That we are discussing a suspension for a half hearted rockettes routine makes you a bunch of pansies.

  79. trapshoot says: Nov 25, 2011 8:36 PM

    How can a guy with his potential ruin a career with such behavior? Guess that’s what happens when an athlete begins to believe he’s as great as his press clippings? A long suspension might get his attention, but it’s doubtful.

  80. snarkzilla says: Nov 25, 2011 8:38 PM

    >How can we get ahold of Suh’s Wonderlic score? I bet that’s an interesting read.

    The story (unconfirmed) is that Suh bombed the test on purpose and got a 0.

  81. pigeonpea says: Nov 25, 2011 8:39 PM

    I have given Goodell a lot of grief on here about punishing players for hitting hard, but the type of behaviour displayed by this clown has no place in professional football. This is the NFL, not the NHL or any other league that glorifies athletes who throw down the gloves and act like a drunken lowlife the second they don’t get their way. Suspend him.

  82. cowhawkfan says: Nov 25, 2011 8:43 PM

    This guy needs to get his anger and emotions under control. If not, sooner or later he is gonna lose to lose it off the field and seriously injure or kill someone.

  83. blancodiablo says: Nov 25, 2011 8:45 PM

    Deb says:

    But …
    ————————–
    Your attempt at football wisdom is further proof that women should stick with making snacks while the men watch football.

    Let me guess, if this was a Steeler getting his head pushed into the turf by Suh, you would be decrying the state of society.

    If Suh keeps this up, he may challenge James Harrison as dirtiest player.

  84. footballphan says: Nov 25, 2011 8:48 PM

    tavisteelersfan says:
    Nov 25, 2011 7:01 PM
    why punish him more than Richard Seymour for punching Rothlesberger after a play???

    ————-

    If you consider Seymour’s post play hand to the face “lovetap” a punch, then you obviously are female, or have no idea what an actual “punch” is.

    If you consider what Seymour did on the same level as Suh’s, then you are delusional.

    You see stuff like what Seymour did to Roethlisberger is almost every NFL game, trying to compare the 2 is asinine.

  85. briank1ne says: Nov 25, 2011 9:01 PM

    You need people like Suh. So you can point your fingers and say. There…Thats the bad guy. Whats that make you? Good? No. Youre not good.

    no but for real.. Hes wack. lol

  86. lnfinite says: Nov 25, 2011 9:06 PM

    One week Robison nails a Packer offensive lineman in the nads and now recently Suh stomps an offensive lineman of the Packers. Wonder why? Maybe it might be the dirty play on the Packers that refs let go unnoticed until there is retaliation.

    The retaliation is no excuse but once gets notice and twice or more becomes a trend

  87. rogerbrad says: Nov 25, 2011 9:12 PM

    He sould be ejected for the balance of games this season. That would hit him in the pocketbook. Nothing else seems to get his attention…

  88. chargers308 says: Nov 25, 2011 9:24 PM

    Posterboy for nfl fines. Move over Harrison!

  89. nickynick04 says: Nov 25, 2011 9:31 PM

    Ndamukong Suh needs to be shut down for the remainder of the year. I just saw the tapes of him head tackling 2 QBs, and now this. This guy is undefenseable. You cannot take his side.
    He has major issues and needs to be shut down, and address them……

  90. TxGrown says: Nov 25, 2011 9:40 PM

    @tavisteelersfan
    —————————————————————————————–
    Why wasn’t Seymore suspended? Because it was Rothlesberger.

    As for Mean Joe, Noll got him to channel his aggression/frustrations through his skills. When Suh learns to do this…he will be incredible.

  91. robgilman says: Nov 25, 2011 9:54 PM

    Get over it people the guy who posted about Mean Joe Green is right. This is football, aggression like this is what helped make the game more entertaining and popular. If you watch the tape he really isn’t maliciously trying to hurt the guy he’s just reacting to the situation and stomped his leg down its not that bad. He was pushing the guys head down because he was being held down by the guy. I would love to see Suh be a Raider at least we accept players like him and get the most out of them. He’s a passionate player that plays hard nothing wrong with that. He can be a big leader for a team. There are so many knit picky penalties these days the game isn’t even fun to watch anymore. I feel bad for him that he actually has to apologize to the sheltered public. Other countries laugh at American football for even wearing pads.

  92. socalskinsfan says: Nov 25, 2011 9:58 PM

    As someone with no horse in the NFC North race, I love the motor on this guy. But you can’t excuse Thursday. I’m of the “let them play the damn game” mentality, but he pulled a Haynesworth out there. The video doesn’t lie. I want to believe that Suh met with the Commish for the right reasons and not because he was pressured into. But at this point, I think this young ma really needs a mentor. And I’m not talking a Dungy-esque mentor. He needs someone that played the game with a nasty streak, but knew where the line was. I would suggest Howie Long, but I doubt Fox would let him as long as he’s under contract. But a guy in the same vein that could say, “Hey, kill the guy between the whistles, but then walk away” would do this guy a world of good. Because he has the talent to be a Hall-of-Famer if he doesn’t blow it with his attitude.

  93. philtration says: Nov 25, 2011 10:03 PM

    scoops1 says: Nov 25, 2011 7:32 PM

    The Lions could learn a thing or 2 about Winning and Class from another Detriot team: The Red Wings
    =================================

    True.
    As a life long Blackhawks fans I know that the Red Wings-Hawks rivalry is heated but based on respect and the Red Wings are a class team.

  94. leatherface2012 says: Nov 25, 2011 10:11 PM

    what about when woodson from the packers belted that saints guy in the guts?

  95. dadgumboot says: Nov 25, 2011 10:24 PM

    Some girl would giggle and i’d turn red…some guy would laugh and i’d bust his head…i tell you…life ain’t easy for a boy named Suh

  96. cootschaos says: Nov 25, 2011 10:32 PM

    Being a Falcons fan, I hope he plays against the Saints and stomps on Brees. (joking)

    Also, looks like Roddy White was right all along about Suh.

  97. Deb says: Nov 25, 2011 10:44 PM

    @blancodiablo …

    A “get thee to the kitchen” joke? Gee, never heard that before :roll: Actually, I’ve called for the Steelers to suspend Harrison for a game for conduct detrimental to the team, and been very critical of some of Ryan Clark’s hits. Of course, neither of them has stomped another player with their cleats or tried to jerk off their helmet–and I never condoned that behavior in my post. Maybe you should get someone to read it to you again. Try asking your Mom–unless she’s busy making you a sandwich.

    @thejuddstir …

    Compared to yours, I suspect my deck is overflowing. No, I didn’t defend Suh’s actions–as you’d know if your reading skills were a tad stronger. However, if you cut me off in traffic, I’m making no promises.

    @1bigtex …

    Good post, and I agree. Didn’t say the guard’s move justified Suh. As I posted, I don’t condone his behavior. But it should be distinguished from Haynesworth’s and Seymour’s–and Seymour wasn’t ejected or suspended. Suh definitely needs some intervention.

  98. 1bigtex says: Nov 25, 2011 10:46 PM

    @ Soulman45

    I was positive that you would eventually weigh in on this subject with something that was poorly written and made little, if any sense. Thanks for doing exactly as you always do.

    Ignorance of the rules of the English language is a choice. Education is an option.

  99. dwightmlee says: Nov 25, 2011 11:15 PM

    This guy is lying scum!! No amount of banal contrived BS PR from the NFL, the Lions or Ndamukong Suh himself will change the fact that everyone knows – this guy is scum, a scuzzbucket, and the filthiest, evil, vile, despicable player in NFL history: past, present and future! There is a nice hot place waiting for him in H**L right now with his name emblazoned in fiery flames! The NFL should can the PR blitz for this guy – it’s not fooling anyone. He is the worst scum in the universe!

  100. Derty Ernie says: Nov 25, 2011 11:31 PM

    My take is what if this was racial, a black guy kicking a white guy on the ground and not football related?

    According to King, two people will decide Suh’s fate and they are both black. Thats unfair. The NFL should have a panel of four people, two white and two black to make sure of equal representation.

    I’m tired of this one way street that black people have no problem judging whites but whites can judge blacks. This is very unfair to the white football players who are in the minority now and targets for abuse.

  101. binkee says: Nov 25, 2011 11:35 PM

    As a long time Packer fan, I remember Martins body slam of McMahon. I was totally embarassed by the act. Anybody who defends Suh is just as stupid as he is.

  102. phillipalpha says: Nov 25, 2011 11:44 PM

    I can understand Suh, up untill the point where he stomps the opposing Guard.

    I mean he was more or less held all the way through, the guard dragged him down, things got out of hand, so ofcourse his temper gets the best of him.

    But the stomping (did he even stomp that hard?) is just out of order, its unheard of, its a disgrace!

  103. tommytheswami says: Nov 25, 2011 11:44 PM

    Johnny Cash got it wrong. Suh, not Sue.

  104. Soulman45 says: Nov 26, 2011 12:08 AM

    Thank you again 1bigtex
    It wonderful that you think so highly of my writing I well keep it up just for you.
    GOD SPEED

  105. oaktown49er says: Nov 26, 2011 12:49 AM

    The league office never told Suh he couldn’t do that. I hold the league responsible.

  106. notjcred says: Nov 26, 2011 12:52 AM

    “But it should be distinguished from Haynesworth’s and Seymour’s–and Seymour wasn’t ejected or suspended. Suh definitely needs some intervention.”

    Let me distinguish it for you- if not for helmets, the kick would be an afterthought. I have zero interest in defending either of these men, but I’m not going to pretend that punching and kicking are morally or physically equal to repeatedly driving his skull into the ground.

  107. mjkelly77 says: Nov 26, 2011 12:55 AM

    Hey dwightmlee …

    Wow!! Who pissed in your turkey casserole?

  108. jrmbadger says: Nov 26, 2011 2:58 AM

    “rexismybff says:
    Nov 25, 2011 8:20 PM
    Q: What do you call a 350 pound Packer fan?
    A: An anorexic.

    Q: What do you call a beautiful girl in Green Bay?
    A: A tourist.

    Q: What do you call a good looking woman with a Packer fan?
    A: A hostage

    Q: Why do Packer fans smell so bad?
    A: So blind people can hate them as well.”
    ================================

    Q: What do you call Green Bay’s trophy case?
    A: FULL

  109. ajtexans says: Nov 26, 2011 3:28 AM

    They’re not saying Suh, they’re saying boo.

  110. lookatthefarside says: Nov 26, 2011 4:00 AM

    Maybe Suh is tryin to get enough press to get his own reality tv show on the animal planet.

  111. larryfinfan says: Nov 26, 2011 8:03 AM

    I think the intent of the foul is a foregone conclusion. No, he wasn’t trying to break free from the guy…yes it was flagrant and there isn’t really a place for that in this league. To top off his flagrant display on the field, he tries to explain away the act as though he was attempting to get away from the pile and have us all believe that what we saw on tape wasn’t what happened. Hmmm…I don’t think so, Suh.

    However, 2 things that happened needs to be addressed. First, he needs to have some sort of discipline that will enforce the rules he so nonchalantly breaks. Suspension of 2 games and game checks is what he deserves at a minimum. If I were the player who was on the receiving end of Suh’s outbreak, I’d probably press assault charges as well.

    Second, Jim Schwartz and Gunther Cunningham need to be disciplined for not reeling this guy in and promoting that extra, rather flagrant emotion he displays on the field. More than just money. They need to sit as well. This isn’t something that started in Detroit, but is certainly is something that has been allowed to fester and continue there. Schwartz has shown the same disregard for sportsmanship himself and it now allows players like Suh to justify, in their own minds, that overly aggressive style of play is ok and that they are somehow above the regulations of decency and sportsmanship.

    I’m as diehard a fan as there is and I like a good low scoring defensive struggle. I don’t necessarily agree with the leagues fines on many hits (not all, but many). But this one goes over the top of aggressiveness to almost criminal….it needs to be addressed as such…Mr. Goodell, the ball is in your court. This isn’t about the league, it’s about Mr. Suh and his coaches. If you truly want this aggressiveness to be stopped, take the necessary action and teach these guys a lesson.

  112. 1bigtex says: Nov 26, 2011 8:17 AM

    @ Deb

    For me, the biggest difference between Seymour’s actions and those by Suh get down to frequency. What Richard Seymour did came off as a “spur of the moment” decision. Those things do happen. With Suh, this is becoming much more of a pattern of behavior. Plus, there’s more than a bit of difference between sucker punching a guy who is standing and stomping a guy who is on the ground. The former is a punk move. The latter is a b!tch-a$$ed punk move. What ever the fine turns out to be for Suh, the NFL should tack on at least an extra $25K for that lame attempt at an excuse.

  113. acmepacker says: Nov 26, 2011 8:40 AM

    lnfinite says:
    Nov 25, 2011 9:06 PM
    One week Robison nails a Packer offensive lineman in the nads and now recently Suh stomps an offensive lineman of the Packers. Wonder why? Maybe it might be the dirty play on the Packers that refs let go unnoticed until there is retaliation.

    The retaliation is no excuse but once gets notice and twice or more becomes a trend
    ***************************
    Have you ever noticed that penalties and bad behavior increases when a team is being outplayed?

  114. rbecks9 says: Nov 26, 2011 9:21 AM

    I think a lot of Suh’s behavior–especially deliberately yanking off helmets–is outrageous. And so is his denying things we can see for ourselves on film. The guy has attitude issues and needs a coaching intervention.

    But …

    In shoving Dietrich-Smith’s helmet into the turf and lashing out with that stomp, Suh was reacting to the moves put on him by the guard. I’m not condoning his tantrum, but he didn’t just attack Dietrich-Smith for no reason. When the NFL reviews this situation, I hope they watch the film in its entirety. Defensive players are not alone in their ability to inflict injury, and it’s time offensive players stopped getting preferential treatment
    ___________________
    Deb, your an idiot. Dietrich-Smith pancacked Suh, a legal play. I loved his quote “that if he wanted to hurt anyone, he’d take it out on the QB, like he hit him all game.” Suh didn’t get to Rodgers all game. He’s as delusional as you are Deb. The Lions are a second rate team with a second rate coach who sets the tone. I believe that Schwartz was the D. Coordinator when Albert Haynesworth stepped on a Dallas Cowboy’s head. Suh needs to get a clue and so do you Deb.

  115. veence69 says: Nov 26, 2011 9:38 AM

    I wonder if all of these incidents of Packer players being stomped on and kicked in the groin has anything to do with them being whiny little brats who cry for a penalty flag after each play?

  116. ezwriter69 says: Nov 26, 2011 10:00 AM

    Whatever other labels you put on Suh, one thing that is now beyond debate. He is a liar. Either after the game, or when he okayed the statement his agent wrote for him, he looked us in the collective eyeball and lied like a thousand gutless punks before him. Liar. I would add fraud, gutless punk and cheap-shot artist to the list, but those are I guess open to debate. But liar, that one we know for sure.

  117. jmat40 says: Nov 26, 2011 10:18 AM

    Considering how inconsistently the NFL disciplines it’s players and the fact that the NFL will be looking for any reasons they can find to give Suh benefits of any doubts, I won’t even try to guess what his punishment will be.
    I’ve watched replays of Suh’s attack a number of times and I can’t see how the NFL could give Suh any leniency but what do I know?
    Suh got pancaked by Dietrich-Smith, felt embarrassed and reacted with a child like tantrum by trying to hurt the guy.

  118. phillyphinsfan says: Nov 26, 2011 10:26 AM

    Suh was down on one knee with his left leg stretched out like a baseball catcher sometimes positions himself. Dietrich-Smith has trying to drive Suh backwards and Suh managed to hook him like a wrestler and flip him to the side and onto his back. I would probably be very angry if I were Suh because Suh was about to be bent backwards into an awkward position that could have caused a serious injury. He should have just explained the situation, apologized to everyone, and said that he would seek anger management counseling. Two games instead of five.

  119. jerruhjones21 says: Nov 26, 2011 10:48 AM

    rbecks9 says:
    Nov 26, 2011 9:21 AM

    Deb, your an idiot.

    ——————

    Truth

  120. fcs34 says: Nov 26, 2011 10:53 AM

    How cool would it be if after announcing Suh’s suspension Mereton Hanks jumped up on the podium and started doing his bobblehead dance with his freakishly long neck.

  121. finsfrontofficeisajoke says: Nov 26, 2011 11:06 AM

    Love her or hate her, Deb makes this board fun.

  122. opie333 says: Nov 27, 2011 8:45 AM

    I wish suh would body slam Goodell! And eat two or three Refs! Everybody who’s bashing Suh is a big fat whiner! Whaaa! he hit me to hard! For all you whiners soccer is wide open! Futball you can cry all you want!

  123. 1bigtex says: Nov 28, 2011 5:51 AM

    @ opie333

    You do realize that some of the people complaining about Suh are on his own team, right? You do realize that his actions cost his team points and his services for the rest of the game, right?

    With your attitude, perhaps you should just volunteer to be Ndamukong’s personal “whipping boy”. “No, no Ndamukong. There’s no need to vent your frustrations on opposing players. Opie333 will gladly lay on the ground and let some 300+ pound pyscho stomp on him. It’ll also prove to everybody that he’s not a whiner.”

    Moron.

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