Comments on: Tebowmania! Broncos do it again, beat Chargers in overtime

By: forevercorr

forevercorr — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:41:10 +0000

I know I’m late to the party, but here’s how I see it…
First, you have to give it to the Denver defense. There was always a sense that it would be very scary once Dumervil was playing full time again, and they are. The running offense also gives the defense time to breathe on the sideline. Turnovers took too big of a toll in the beginning of the season.
Second, Fox and company have done a fantastic job of adjusting. The Broncos looked to be competing for a top draft slot next year and now they’re in the hunt for a playoff spot. They have used the best talent made available to them and got rid of guys who didn’t seem as “team” oriented. If it seems like this team has heart, that is a major reason.
Finally, Tim is doing a few things very well. He doesn’t turn the ball over (which was Orton’s major issue this year). He adds a threat on the field. He does everything this offense asks of him and he’s slowly improving as a passer. Most importantly, he’s inspiring the guys on the sideline, and after Cutler and Orton, that’s huge in Denver.
Tim may not be a superstar QB, but he’s a winning athlete at the QB position and a leader, which I think many teams in the league would love to have right now.

By: cowhawkfan

cowhawkfan — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:22:38 +0000

Come on haters, certainly the Broncos D deserves ALOT of credit. But, even the so called experts who were bashing Tebow admit this ball control offense helps the Bronco D. They control the ball 4 minutes longer than they did with Orton at the help and so far, don’t turn the ball over.

By: tebowandarodgguy

tebowandarodgguy — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:36:12 +0000

Here is the deal: All he has to do is be one of the top 32 quarterbacks in the league. He is. Gabbert is horrendous, nobody wants to talk about that. I think Sanchez sucks out loud. 4 TD’s yesterday – super. 180 yards on 35 attempts with way more weapons than Tebow has. Ponder, Kolb, T Jack, etc. are no better than him.

Give credit where it is due. The team is playing better with him at QB, and yes McGahee made a nice run to ice it – set up by: You guessed it, 2 Tebow keeps in OT. He’s rolling, and as long as he’s top 32 there is a place for him in the NFL.

By: cbgbs21

cbgbs21 — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:18:27 +0000

The only reason I dislike Tebow is that when I watch him throw, it makes me think for a second that I’m watching baseball. And that thought alone is terrifying…

By: The Prophet

The Prophet — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:38:02 +0000

Score one more for intangibles over traditional NFL skill. I’ll take a win over stats ANYDAY!

By: kacapaco

kacapaco — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:27:17 +0000

“stats are for losers. What matters is the final score.” The one and only Bill Belichik. Tim is leader and part of this team. Haters to hell Broncos to playoffs.

By: cshearing

cshearing — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:16:37 +0000

At least I made some money on the silliness this time.

By: nflofficeadmin

nflofficeadmin — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:00:19 +0000

Broncos are 1) Running the football and 2) Playing tough Defense. Tebow does run a read option often, but he also has the beginnings of stigmata – take a look at his face from this past game. If you have stigmata you can run the read option with confidence.

By: dlions4life

dlions4life — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:38:33 +0000

Tebow will not be the starter next year. Period. Play a real defence.

By: weneedlinemen42

weneedlinemen42 — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:37:12 +0000

I’ve always thought, “it wont work in the pro’s”, was a crock.

Shotgun spread is more and more common across the league as was pretty much the basis for one of the best offenses of all time. It wasn’t long ago that shotgun spread was being derided as only good for college. That there was no way it would work in the pro’s because you couldn’t run out of it.

Year after year we get QB’s panned in the draft process because they spend most their time in shotgun formations and that it will be much harder for them to make their reads dropping back from centre. Well, here’s a wild stab in the dark. If shotgun formations make it easier for the QB why not use it. If you have a QB that is dependent on the run-pass option, use it.

By: cuda1234

cuda1234 — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:27:18 +0000

Does anyone in the league call his own number more then Tim Tebow? 40 of the Broncos plays were Tebow runs or Tebow passes. How can anyone call this guy unselfish or a team player? He looks like the most selfish player in the league (and don’t get in his way if the media is around – you will get trounced).

By: rushbacker

rushbacker — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:37:06 +0000

Just to clear one thing up about the defense. . . Does the grinder offense and lack of turnovers do a lot to help the D? Yes, but most of the improvement comes from the fact that the Broncos have Elvis Dumervil and Champ Bailey healthy again. Both guys missed time early in the year, and naturally the unit is significantly better with those guys healthy. The addition of Dumervil (two sacks today) to Von Miller has put the pass rush over the top.

By: edcolton

edcolton — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:03:45 +0000

jaguars beat the “Flake” Ravens. Tebow and Denver could do it.
Ray Lewis is over the hill.

I’m from Tebow’s hometown-seen him many times. He finds a way to win, just give him the chance.

Denver defense is rested with run option offense and keeping the ball. Defense is good in its own right.

Denver will win 3 more. Tebow will get better as will draft of Denver next year.
Denver look up, your salvation draws near.
Fox good coach-give him the players . Brady bunch going way of Colts. Steelers old and out. Packers here for the long ride

By: notsosmartski

notsosmartski — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:49:59 +0000

Denver’s last four wins were all Road games.

By: notsosmartski

notsosmartski — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:48:06 +0000

How many perfectly thrown passes did Tebow throw were dropped?

By: td40

td40 — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:35:25 +0000

There’s no doubt- this is a great story with a kid coming in, everyone saying he cant be an NFL QB, and him proving them wrong. I can get behind that.

Still, an offense can only have so many running plays with the QB. If teams start really studying the tape, they *will* end up forcing Tebow to throw a lot more. When that happens, things may very well turn disastrous.

By: eleventyeight

eleventyeight — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:32:12 +0000

TV people, the entire scholarship structure of NCAA football, media focusing on ONLY minority heroes for years now, atheist fanatics, and everyone involved in the NFL who feel threatened by a HIGHLY athletic white God-loving QB who not single-handedly(but with the help of his entire team of professionals *who believe in him*) proving that the college read-option can not only work but SUCCEED in the NFL all desperately need this nemesis of a heroic young David to fall to the institutionalized Goliath of NCAA/NFL hierarchy.

If not, the whole world of football on the pro and college levels will change almost instantly.

This *could* be the beginning of a New Era of football where ALL MEN are truly judged equally and where all football players can be the best players THEY can be.

So yeah- the haters are in full-panic mode while, interestingly, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders see this man clearlly for who and what he is and they anxiously await the birth of that NEW ERA.

Watch, observers, lovers and haters as the world of football metamorphosesis before your very eyes.

The Pigskin Saviour has been Born Again Hard.

By: irishjackmp

irishjackmp — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:06:09 +0000

I am not a Tebow or Broncos fan so I have no rooting interest here but people who keep saying “it’s the Denver Defense” keep missing a huge point.

Ever notice teams that throw alot (i.e. Texas Tech) and score alot of points ALWAYS give up alot of points while teams who run alot rarely give up alot of points? It’s not a coincidence.

Teams that throw alot have the clock stop frequently for incomplete passes while the running teams chew up clock because the clock is always running. Keeping the clock always running, by definition, means fewer possessions. And fewer possesions to defend means fewer points given up. The Broncos were giving up 27 points a game prior to Tebow taking over and their points against dramatically dropped once he took over (and they started running most of the time). There is a correlation.

If the Broncos went with Brady Quinn and threw the ball more, their points against would jump in a heartbeat.

By: 6kings

6kings — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:53:52 +0000

Viking fan here. Nothing better to do than get on the Tebow train. I am all aboard. I love it when a player can turn the league and all its pundits on their ears. I can’t remember a player that has done it more completely than Tebow.

WWJD. NWO.

By: greg0737

greg0737 — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:44:51 +0000

Let he who is among you without sin, cast the first stone. Then we would’nt have to read all these negative comments!

By: 2ndaryinsanity

2ndaryinsanity — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:34:08 +0000

Put your hate/dislike/irritation aside for a few moments…
#1 Yes, the defense is playing great….Von Miller is a beast and has to be a front-runner for “Defensive Rookie of the Year.” But, as others have pointed out…this is the same defense Kyle Orton played with.
#2 Like it or not, Tebow IS beginning to throw the ball better (yes, there’s still a long way to go)…he and Decker have great chemistry and are making big plays in every game.
#3 Despite his shortcomings as a passer, Tebow does not turn the ball over very often
#4 It appears that all of the Bronco’s play much harder with Tebow than they did with Orton.
#5 No matter how much people make fun of Tebow, he isn’t going to change who he is/what he believes.
#6 you can’t argue with the bottom line, which is the Win/Loss column…the Bronco’s have had a complete turn around since Tebow became the starter.

By: steveintennessee

steveintennessee — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:28:45 +0000

notes the long list of things Teebow has done that others said he could not……with check marks next to each one proving them wrong.
When he adjusts to the speed of the game as EVERY QB that comes to the NFL has had to do his passing will get better. Remebers he could throw very well at Fl….winning a Hiesman and 2 NC. He will add another check mark next to cannot keep this up. As to the hits he takes. anyone notice this guys runs over folks other than the ones who back away….notes the last drive of the jets game. He is as big as many if not most running backs. His arms are huge as his heart and his teamates believe in him. That counts more than you others out there who dont. I have been reading week after week he wont win the next game….remember the haters here bringing up the jets. Last week it was he wont beat the Chargers. Its the fact that he is a real threat to run(and succeed) that make the running backs behind him more effective. Anyone who know football knows this is how it works. Pay attention to him and not the others…he hands it to them and they also succeed.
As to credit for winning ..when he is asked he ALWAYS gives others the credit. Its the media that wont so dont blame him. He never asked to be put on a pedistal like the media has done. He just wants to win and appears to be doing it.

By: Andre's Johnson

Andre's Johnson — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:20:14 +0000

Did I just see that next week’s Monday Night game is Jacksonville and San Diego. Good God.

By: kurb21

kurb21 — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:15:30 +0000

The number one reason the team is winning is because of the defense who is led by Champ, Dawkins and Von. They are playing great – by any standard.

I am continuing to take the middle road on Tebow. It is undeniable that every week he is having less; “oh my god, this guy cannot play” moments. He is improving, just as the coaches say. He can throw the ball hard and with some accuracy. However, he has a nightmarish time deciding where to throw the ball as he goes through his reads.

Tebow can unleash a 65 yard throw when needed, but he really needs to get his brain to process where to throw the ball faster. Ultimately, this is the key to his whole career.

But really…how about that Von Miller? Who saw him at #2? He is a Hall of Fame talent.

By: orangecrush47

orangecrush47 — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:12:01 +0000

All these Tebow haters out there and all they can harp on is his religion…well deal with it. How about the guy’s work ethic, heart, team first attitude? Nah i guess that aint important. How about 5-1 you geniuses, what’s your qb’s record? The fact is he’ll truck through your middle linebacker just like the rest and when he does you will post some bs about how he pointed to the sky afterwards, blah blah. Some people who post on this site amaze me with their uneducated nonsense

By: randomguy9999

randomguy9999 — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:11:57 +0000

I’m a Gator…. guy was great in college… he’s not that great in the NFL….

he’s riding the coattails of a very strong defensive streak against weaker offenses….

when the D breaks down some in a game… which is overdue… Tebow will have to put up yards and TD’s to keep up…

over the last 3 games he’s averaging 7 of 16, .666 TD’s, and about 100 yds… which doesn’t qualify him for backup….

By: timreph

timreph — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:07:41 +0000

PFT….Thanks for FINALLY giving Tebow some credit…cause GOD knows you don’t like him!
GOD BLESS AND GO BRONCOS!

By: sethb222

sethb222 — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:02:24 +0000

Have any of you ever considered that running, ball control QB and pound the ball mentality allows the defense to rest and play at a higher level when on the field? Tebow is making them better. While he may hinder the offensive approach, he is playing smash mouth football and winning.

Everyone says you have to run the ball to win. True. Why does the RB/HB have to be the person who runs it? You control the clock and play good Defense… you usually win!

By: dontbhatinmybroncos

dontbhatinmybroncos — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:53:49 +0000

It’s amazing how many people keep saying, “wait until they play a decent team”….”the option won’t continue to work”….blah, blah. Man, nothing but haters….sorry people, Tebow is for real and our defense is for real too.

By: skinscapsterps

skinscapsterps — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:53:38 +0000

For comparisons sake from Thursday night :

Joe Flacco 15-23 161 yds 65 %
Alex Smith 15-24 140 yds 62.5 %

If Tebow had completed three more passes, he would have 66 % completion rate today. Of course if this were being done with Terelle Pryor or Troy Smith, the media would be saying how great this is. Flacco is a QB the media hypes up. Michael Vick’s completion percentage as rookie 44.2%, Vince Young 51.5%, Vick and Young play a style most similar to Tebow. Cam Newton is at 61 %, Andy Dalton 60%, to compare with other rookies.

Some of the criticism of Tebow has nothing to do with on field performance. Its where he went to school, that he’s open in his beliefs.

In the words of Herm Edwards “You play to win the game.” Right now Tebow is winning games.