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Bills blacked out in Buffalo Sunday

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As the Buffalo Bills continue their mid-season slide, the local fans are losing interest.

The Bills announced today that Sunday’s game against the Tennessee Titans has not sold out and will be blacked out on local television.

If they had wanted the game to be on local television, the Bills could have bought any unsold tickets at 34 percent of face value, which the NFL allows teams to do in order to quality as a “sellout” for the purpose of getting the blackout lifted. Sometimes teams like the Dolphins think that’s worth it as an investment in helping the team reach its fan base, even if the fan base isn’t buying tickets.

But the Bills decided against using that approach. And so the only people in the Buffalo area who will see this game are the ones who buy a ticket.

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82 Responses to “Bills blacked out in Buffalo Sunday”
  1. bikindrumz says: Dec 1, 2011 2:47 PM

    I don’t think anyone should be shocked by this. Nature of the beast for small market teams.

    Bills/Lions…they are who we thought they were.

  2. flyinfalkin says: Dec 1, 2011 2:49 PM

    lol at all the bills fans on other posts talking about how great your fan base is.

  3. seytonmanning says: Dec 1, 2011 2:50 PM

    and anyone smart enough with an internet connection.

    and ive been to bills games that have been blacked out.that means instead of 77,000 people there there will be 71,000. which is still an amazing amount of people.

  4. shaggytoodle says: Dec 1, 2011 2:55 PM

    Buffalo was off to a great start and then signed Fitz do a deal, and now its all coming apart. Almost like they shot themselves in thier foot.

  5. bigfranky75 says: Dec 1, 2011 3:01 PM

    The Bills’ business model relies on the stadium selling out, which will happen (as it always does) just not in time for the black-out to be lifted.

    The team needs an incentive for people to buy season tickets…. if peopel know that there is no inherent benefit to holding season tickets, no one will buy them.

    Just look at the approach Miami is using… how well thats working. There were about 28,000 people in the stands for the November 20th game… half of which were Buffalo Bills fans! It was an embarrassment.

    On Sunday, there will be more than 70,000 people in the stadium, for a losing team. Further showing the local support for this franchise.

  6. grilledjesus says: Dec 1, 2011 3:06 PM

    Where’s your Fitzmagic now?

  7. gmen1987 says: Dec 1, 2011 3:07 PM

    What elsse do you expect from the league’s welfare case.

    The local taxpayers have to subsidize the Bills to the tune of about $900,000 per game in order to keep Bills tickets the lowest in the league. yet Bills fans still can’t sell out the stadium.

    Move the Bills or just give Buffalo and Erie County to Canada.

  8. gf2711 says: Dec 1, 2011 3:08 PM

    Well, maybe this will go better than the ‘white-out’ a month ago against the Jets

  9. R8RBOB says: Dec 1, 2011 3:09 PM

    We are living in times where the middle class and the poor can’t always cough up the money to watch a football game. The Buffalo fans need not to be bashed because they aren’t buying tickets.

  10. jfd117 says: Dec 1, 2011 3:11 PM

    Soon to be on a TV near you: the Toronto Bills…

  11. greymares says: Dec 1, 2011 3:12 PM

    I attended the eagles at bills game when buffalo was still playing pretty good and the attendance at that game was 25% philly.

  12. ballsohardu says: Dec 1, 2011 3:15 PM

    Crazy for a small town they have one of the largest stadiums in the league.

    Cant blame the fans. Dont buy tickets til that front office proves they want to win!

    Extending ryan fitzpatrick before the end of the year proves they will settle for mediocre players

  13. seytonmanning says: Dec 1, 2011 3:16 PM

    dont pay attention to pieces of dirt like flyinfalkin on here.im sure hes never been to buffalo and probably is a bandwagon fan of some popular team.

  14. iambadkid says: Dec 1, 2011 3:16 PM

    wow poor blues clues’s team thats sad they lost 5 straight games wow and the bills suck anyway how can that show like that team ryan fitzpatrick he is a joke, i rather root for a team like cleveland or something bills are horrible wait till they play in new england forget it bills are going to get blown out hahahaha

  15. cjspiller12 says: Dec 1, 2011 3:17 PM

    @flyinfalkin says:
    Dec 1, 2011 2:49 PM
    lol at all the bills fans on other posts talking about how great your fan base is.
    __________________________________
    Think before you post…….you don’t have a clue, the Bills do have a great fan base….they also have one of the bigger stadiums in the NFL, and they are the 2nd smallest market. The Bills for a few years led the NFL in attendance. You won’t see them doing what Miami is doing selling damn tickets for 34 stinking cents. You also won’t see them covering up half the damn stadium with a tarp like the Jags do to avoid the blackout. The Bills are not the only team that will be blacked out this weekend.

  16. coleyclan says: Dec 1, 2011 3:20 PM

    Half the fanbase is here in Charlotte now. Too far to drive…

  17. stampede101 says: Dec 1, 2011 3:25 PM

    Man…that bandwagon thinned out quick!

  18. purpleman527 says: Dec 1, 2011 3:25 PM

    The Los Angeles Bills !!!

  19. shackdelrio says: Dec 1, 2011 3:32 PM

    L.A. Bills

  20. shaggytoodle says: Dec 1, 2011 3:37 PM

    shaggytoodle says:
    Dec 1, 2011 2:55 PM
    Buffalo was off to a great start and then signed Fitz do a deal, and now its all coming apart. Almost like they shot themselves in thier foot.
    _________________________

    I thought the TD dance the other day was brilliant and hilarious.

    It looks like the Bills fans have no problem dishing it out, but then can’t take it when it comes back thier way.

  21. tolan04 says: Dec 1, 2011 3:38 PM

    Thank you NFL for having the Bills play almost half of their home games in December. And no the Toronto game is not considered a home game that’s more of a neutral game.

  22. studio26seattle says: Dec 1, 2011 3:39 PM

    Los Angeles, Toronto or London could be their new home in a year or two.

  23. 808raiderinparadise says: Dec 1, 2011 3:40 PM

    well that was fast.

  24. dolphinsrule65 says: Dec 1, 2011 3:40 PM

    To bigfranky75:
    really? I was there that Sunday, i’m sure you were not…the actually paid attendance was 60,000 out of a 75,192 current seating cap. There was hardly that many Jills fans there. Maybe, maybe 1500.
    Now: Ralphie holds current 73,079. So how is it that 77k people will be there Sunday?
    Also”The Bills’ business model relies on the stadium selling out, which will happen (as it always does) just not in time for the black-out to be lifted.” I GUESS YOU FORGOT ABOUT LAST YEAR WITH ALL THE BLACKOUTS?
    Miami is on a 10 year regular season sell out happening, thats called being a smart buisness man and showcasing your team to the local market.

  25. oa316ts says: Dec 1, 2011 3:56 PM

    With the way this season is quickly going down the tubes, I doubt the game is going to be the only thing getting blacked out in Buffalo come Sunday. And that’s coming from a Bills fan, so bottoms up folks, or, in Bradys world: “time to get nice and lived up!”

  26. vahawker says: Dec 1, 2011 3:57 PM

    Five years in Buffalo and never had the good fortune of having a game blacked out.

  27. oa316ts says: Dec 1, 2011 3:58 PM

    Damn autocorrect: in Brady’s world: “nice and lubed up!”

  28. cjspiller12 says: Dec 1, 2011 3:59 PM

    dolphinsrule65 says:
    Dec 1, 2011 3:40 PM
    To bigfranky75:
    really? I was there that Sunday, i’m sure you were not…the actually paid attendance was 60,000 out of a 75,192 current seating cap. There was hardly that many Jills fans there. Maybe, maybe 1500.
    Now: Ralphie holds current 73,079. So how is it that 77k people will be there Sunday?
    Also”The Bills’ business model relies on the stadium selling out, which will happen (as it always does) just not in time for the black-out to be lifted.” I GUESS YOU FORGOT ABOUT LAST YEAR WITH ALL THE BLACKOUTS?
    Miami is on a 10 year regular season sell out happening, thats called being a smart buisness man and showcasing your team to the local market.
    _________________________________
    @dolphinsrule65…………….I would love to know what planet your from? What kind of glassess do you wear, or do you need a new pair? I don’t care if 60,000 “paid” or not………there were not 60,000 at that game. I watched it all on TV and that place was as empty as could be. Frank was about correct with his guess, and there were many, many Bills fans there. Wake up dude!!! Don’t make your team’s fans into something there not, which is supporting the Dolphins.

  29. EJ says: Dec 1, 2011 4:00 PM

    flyinfalkin says:
    Dec 1, 2011 2:49 PM
    lol at all the bills fans on other posts talking about how great your fan base is.

    Remember, the Bills will be playing against the Titans… The Titans aren’t the most exciting team to watch. So instead of 78,ooo fans being there, there will only be 73,211, smartass.

    The Bills fan base is great, one of the most loyal. No playoffs in a decade and we either sell out or come damn close. You deprive any other team in the NFL for a decade and you won’t have 50 people in their stadiums. So yeah, I would say we have a damn good fan base. Go Bills!!!! #BillsMafia 4 life!

  30. gmen1987 says: Dec 1, 2011 4:00 PM

    R8RBOB says:
    Dec 1, 2011 3:09 PM
    We are living in times where the middle class and the poor can’t always cough up the money to watch a football game. The Buffalo fans need not to be bashed because they aren’t buying tickets.
    ————————————————–

    If the residents of Buffalo can’t afford tickets (which are artifically low anyways) to Bills game, then it’s time to move the Bills somewhere else where the fans will support the team without a taxpayer welfare payment.

    San Antonio Bills, here we come.

  31. Chris says: Dec 1, 2011 4:01 PM

    Where are all the Buffalo fans now that were talking playoffs after that fast start?

  32. EJ says: Dec 1, 2011 4:03 PM

    gmen1987 says:
    Dec 1, 2011 3:07 PM
    What elsse do you expect from the league’s welfare case.

    The local taxpayers have to subsidize the Bills to the tune of about $900,000 per game in order to keep Bills tickets the lowest in the league. yet Bills fans still can’t sell out the stadium.

    Move the Bills or just give Buffalo and Erie County to Canada.

    If the Bills did that then there wouldn’t be any teams left in NY, you know since we are the only New York team left.

  33. EJ says: Dec 1, 2011 4:05 PM

    iambadkid says:
    Dec 1, 2011 3:16 PM
    wow poor blues clues’s team thats sad they lost 5 straight games wow and the bills suck anyway how can that show like that team ryan fitzpatrick he is a joke, i rather root for a team like cleveland or something bills are horrible wait till they play in new england forget it bills are going to get blown out hahahaha

    Learn how to speak before posting please.

  34. sirdrinksalot says: Dec 1, 2011 4:07 PM

    Why is it that the majority of fans that post are in this site are completely ignorant? There have already been 4 black outs in Miami and Cinncinatti. Why so much press about the Bills not selling out one game?

  35. regisphilbin says: Dec 1, 2011 4:10 PM

    Why dont you use a pic of empty seats like you do for Jacksonville?

  36. melikefootball says: Dec 1, 2011 4:10 PM

    So is the NFL listening? Are the tickets now at the point fans can’t afford or won’t pay the price for a game. Going to a game is expensive and if you have a family it is too much.

  37. sirdrinksalot says: Dec 1, 2011 4:21 PM

    Agreed. A family of four is spending 250$ before the even walk into the stadium. Then the NFL wants them to pay 5$ per bottle of water, 8$ for nachoes, and 5$ for a box of popcorn. Scam.

  38. stanmark says: Dec 1, 2011 4:27 PM

    good gosh you know nothing trolls are unbelievable. Maybe the Weather in December has something to do with it????? Maybe even in the early 90’s the Bills didn’t sell out December games? Maybe they still bolster top 10 attendance over the last more than a decade? Nah, that cant be it.
    Buffalo is the worst weather city in the NFL. Think before you type, or at least show some form of intelligence.

  39. emma333 says: Dec 1, 2011 4:37 PM

    Small market teams are definitely suffering right now. Jacksonville consistently gets around 62,000 fans…still receive criticism because of the tarps.(9000 seats covered in a 78,000 capacity, not 30% of stadium, Peter King) Perhaps the NFL should amend the blackout rule (I’d rather they abolish it), to make the threshold of a sellout the same as the seating in the SMALLEST stadium in the NFL. That way small market teams like Buffalo and Jacksonville won’t be penalized (especially in this economy )for having such large capacity stadiums. That is actually the reasoning for the tarps…

  40. huggyfuzzleton says: Dec 1, 2011 4:42 PM

    Green Bay fans are laughing at that last comment.

    Maybe people would just rather watch Stevie Johnson’s classless celebrations in high def instead. (And I HATE the Jets!)

    Back to the basement!

  41. gmen1987 says: Dec 1, 2011 5:02 PM

    melikefootball says:
    Dec 1, 2011 4:10 PM
    So is the NFL listening? Are the tickets now at the point fans can’t afford or won’t pay the price for a game. Going to a game is expensive and if you have a family it is too much.

    ————————————————–
    Attending an NFL game is a privilage, not a right. If the area fans cannot support a team (without welfare payments), then that team should move to a city that will support the team standing on it’s own two feet.

  42. sirdrinksalot says: Dec 1, 2011 5:03 PM

    Will arrogant Green Bay fans finally shut up about their team when the Saints stomp them into the ground?

  43. damnskins703 says: Dec 1, 2011 5:11 PM

    Good job Bills fans..whatever happened to we are the best fans in the NFL…Redskins are having another terrible yr but the seats are sold out every game..

  44. sirdrinksalot says: Dec 1, 2011 5:13 PM

    Hey gmen. Are you proud to be a New Yorker? Why do you root for the New Jersey Giants then?

  45. maddenisfordorks says: Dec 1, 2011 5:15 PM

    Introducing your LA (insert every team name here).

    It’s time to stop this LA trash talk. Mother of god.

    This is coming from a Jag fan.

  46. nationalmediacansuckit says: Dec 1, 2011 5:18 PM

    cjspiller12 says:
    Dec 1, 2011 3:17 PM
    @flyinfalkin says:
    Dec 1, 2011 2:49 PM
    lol at all the bills fans on other posts talking about how great your fan base is.
    __________________________________
    Think before you post…….you don’t have a clue, the Bills do have a great fan base…. You also won’t see them covering up half the damn stadium with a tarp like the Jags do to avoid the blackout.
    ————————————————-

    Everbank Field in Jax holds 76k without tarps and 67,162 with the tarps (that’s 9k seats with tarps) which is why they were added in 2005 b/c thats where other small-medium markets stadium capacities are. We are avg about 63k fans per game. You say “half the damn stadium” (which would mean nearly 38k seats with tarps) has a tarp is ignorant and idiotic. If the Bills stadium is “one of the bigger stadiums” sounds like they need to add tarps.

    Don’t try to use a team you know nothing about to justify your
    blackout. I don’t know nor do I care about the Bills. You should do the same about the Jags. Take your own advice and “think before you post” b/c “you don’t have a clue”.

  47. joetoronto says: Dec 1, 2011 5:58 PM

    The team really does need to be moved, there’s no money and no future in Buffalo.

    Bills fans keep complaining about the Toronto games but what they don’t, or won’t, understand is that the deal with Toronto actually saved the team from being moved earlier.

    That’s not a knock, that’s the truth.

  48. sirdrinksalot says: Dec 1, 2011 6:16 PM

    Hey Joe, You couldn’t be more wrong. Ralph just ripped off money from a dumb Canadian.

  49. stealkurtain says: Dec 1, 2011 6:18 PM

    Can you imagine if the Canadian fans were not crossing over to bump the numbers up to 71000. They would be at 50000 for this game. Buffalo is a good sports town just too small.

  50. sirdrinksalot says: Dec 1, 2011 6:21 PM

    Also, Joe. How could the team be moved before 2012? Which is when the Bills have a stadium lease with Erie County until. At least your wealth of knowledge is vast.

  51. decima24 says: Dec 1, 2011 6:29 PM

    http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/30/nfl-valuations-11_land.html

    Bills are 9th in the league in earnings, yet the owner cries that we’re poor. He’s banking 41 Million a year. Don’t tell me that they’re moving anywhere.

  52. ingloriousmaster says: Dec 1, 2011 6:57 PM

    It’s hard to sell out a 70,000 seater these days, even in the best markets.

  53. sirdrinksalot says: Dec 1, 2011 7:03 PM

    They 9th ranked in earnings because Ralph is paying 0% interest. Everything is profit.

  54. patriotera says: Dec 2, 2011 6:18 AM

    They are becoming the Hartford Whalers of the NFL.

  55. gmen1987 says: Dec 2, 2011 8:47 AM

    sirdrinksalot says:
    Dec 1, 2011 5:13 PM
    Hey gmen. Are you proud to be a New Yorker? Why do you root for the New Jersey Giants then?

    2 1 i
    ————————————————–The Giants and Jets playing in New Jersey is no different than the Buffalo Bills not playing in Buffalo.

    Bills fans care more about getting trashed and tailgating than their team winning.

  56. whoyouthoughtiwas says: Dec 2, 2011 9:43 AM

    bigfranky75 says:

    “…The team needs an incentive for people to buy season tickets…”

    I can’t think of too many incentives stronger than DO IT, OR THE TEAM IS DEFINITELY MOVING. They already have several fewer home games than every other team in the league…that they can’t sell out every game is pretty sad, regardless of how many seats there are in the stadium. That Bills fans talk themselves up as a loyal fan base just makes it funny.

  57. stanmark says: Dec 2, 2011 11:12 AM

    gmen, the bills playing in buffalo is not the same as the new york giants playing in new jersey. OP is a suburb of Buffalo, while New Jersey is a DIFFERENT STATE.

    “The City of Buffalo and Erie County were so incompetent that the state of New York had to take over both of their finances.”
    ____________

    care to share? or just make generalized statements that are hollow? the ladder im sure. how many teams receive public money, nah, dont share that. how many teams in the league are “welfare cases” to you ? how many??? nah dont get into that you’ll look too silly.

    and nobody can share any indicators that the bills leave buffalo. just trash from the trolls.

  58. stanmark says: Dec 2, 2011 11:19 AM

    This is all off a blackout story, so a few things should be considered. It’s snowing right now in Orchard Park. Buffalo is the toughest weather city in the NFL. A blackout for buffalo still brings in 60k plus people, and will yield higher attendance numbers than half the stadiums in the league. Selling tickets to December games at Ralph Wilson Stadium has always been a challenge for the Bills. The AP reported that of the 14 home games blacked out from 2000-2010, 10 were scheduled for December.

  59. jacksonjames4 says: Dec 2, 2011 8:57 PM

    yeah yeah, bills suck, buffalo sucks, fitz sucks… he must be horrible .. i mean he’s ranked 3 or 4 for the pro bowl. must be a ton of people that think he blows just like you internet clowns.

    the bills are 1 of the 10 wealthiest teams in the NFL. must be a horrible market huh. they don’t buy their tickets just to claim a sell out. i don’t blame them..
    (lately they haven’t really been paying to get premium players either i’ll admit)

    1 other stat for you.. in the last decade, while they haven’t been making the playoffs, the bills have sold out around 60% of their home games in December.

    during the decade of the 90’s, yes, including their Superbowl run and numerous AFC championship games they only sold out 50% of the games in December.

    Ralph Wilson is one of the windiest stadiums in the league. combine that with snow and cold temps, can you blame them maybe staying in in December.

    so.. it’s not just the team you dopes.

    lets go buffalo!

  60. rogerbrad says: Dec 3, 2011 12:54 AM

    Well they are playing the wanna-be AFC South division winners. What do you expect…

  61. gmen1987 says: Dec 3, 2011 9:38 AM

    The Bills are not one of the 10 wealthiest teams on the NFL. They are bottom feeders (sort of like a lot of people in Buffalo).

    Green Bay and Chicago have worse weather that Buffalo. I don’t see their games being blacked out.

  62. gmen1987 says: Dec 3, 2011 9:39 AM

    If the Bills are so wealthy, then why do they have the fewest home games of any team in the NFL?

  63. stanmark says: Dec 3, 2011 3:29 PM

    “The Bills are not one of the 10 wealthiest teams on the NFL”
    they are in the top 10 most profitable clubs in the league. the money is there, the fans are there, the regionalization of the club is in fact, working.

    “Green Bay and Chicago have worse weather that Buffalo.”
    Absolutely false. google worst nfl weather city and see what pops up tool. Chicago? REALLY?? LOL. ignorance is bliss for that little pea brain i guess.

    “They are bottom feeders (sort of like a lot of people in Buffalo).”
    if buffalonians are bottom feeders, what does that make those jersey boys you like? laughing stock of the nation.

    “If the Bills are so wealthy, then why do they have the fewest home games of any team in the NFL?”
    They have the same as everyone else, toronto counts as a home game, they almost double profits from those overpaying canucks, AND THEY SOLD IT OUT.

    try again lil guy

  64. gmen1987 says: Dec 4, 2011 7:38 AM

    stanmark says: Dec 3, 2011 3:29 PM

    “The Bills are not one of the 10 wealthiest teams on the NFL”
    they are in the top 10 most profitable clubs in the league. the money is there, the fans are there, the regionalization of the club is in fact, working.

    “Green Bay and Chicago have worse weather that Buffalo.”
    Absolutely false. google worst nfl weather city and see what pops up tool. Chicago? REALLY?? LOL. ignorance is bliss for that little pea brain i guess.

    “They are bottom feeders (sort of like a lot of people in Buffalo).”
    if buffalonians are bottom feeders, what does that make those jersey boys you like? laughing stock of the nation.

    “If the Bills are so wealthy, then why do they have the fewest home games of any team in the NFL?”
    They have the same as everyone else, toronto counts as a home game, they almost double profits from those overpaying canucks, AND THEY SOLD IT OUT.

    try again lil guy

    —————————————————-
    Goobs,

    You are totally delusional.

    Mind explaining why the Bills are the only NFL team to have only 7 home games per season since 2009 and no other team sends off it’s 8th home game to another city, let alone another country? It’s no more of a home game for the Bills than the team that’s get designated the home team for the annual London game. Besides most Bills fans are too poor to go to the Toronto game, can’t get into Canada because of a criminal record, or both.

    Mind explaining how the Bills are in the 10 most profitable NFL team list when they have the cheapest NFL tickets and little revenue from corporate suites? The only way they could be that profitable is if they are getting bigger welfare payments. Time to wean the Bills off the public tit.

  65. stanmark says: Dec 4, 2011 10:24 AM

    “Mind explaining why the Bills are the only NFL team to have only 7 home games per season since 2009 and no other team sends off it’s 8th home game to another city, let alone another country?”

    I don’t see how someone is already drunk in the middle of the day??? That can be the only excuse you have because this is insanely ignorant. Here’s your education lil buddy, class starts now. The most expensive tickets to Toronto’s game are valued at $320 CAD. If you were a team owner and you knew you could make a profit much larger than the usual amount AND expand the footprint of your team just by scheduling one home game elsewhere, would you do it? Of course you would. It’s a cash grab. So ya, it’s not in Ralph Wilson Stadium, but the Bills make gobs and gobs of money. It was a 5 year contract thats now in its final year. It worked well. The 5 yr deal gave them $78 Million. No other team is in a viable location to do the same thats why no other team does it. If you had watched the game, (this requires just a bit of intelligence) it was clear when the team ran onto the field for the opening kickoff, it was blatantly obvious most of the crowd was in the Bills corner giving them a rousing ovation while loudly jeering the Redskins.

    “Mind explaining how the Bills are in the 10 most profitable NFL team list when they have the cheapest NFL tickets and little revenue from corporate suites? ”
    Take you fat lil fingers, go to google, and type in NFL most profitable teams 2011. This validates the money/support is there in the Buffalo area. This was inarguable anyways, despite your ignorance.

    “The only way they could be that profitable is if they are getting bigger welfare payments. Time to wean the Bills off the public tit.”

    lol, you are absolutely oblivious to how the nfl works. how life works. by this argument, no team should receive public subsidy right? it seems your downing the fact that the NFL has revenue sharing right? i wonder what it would look like without it?
    tool.

  66. gmen1987 says: Dec 5, 2011 8:43 AM

    Goobs, If the Bills are making such a big profit, then they don’t need their game day welfare payment they get from the taxpayers of Erie County and New York state. Time to wean the Bills off from the public tit and charge for tickets what NFL teams charge.

    Many Buffalo Bills fans rather have a good tailgate party than a good team.

    In the meantime the Bills still suck.

  67. stanmark says: Dec 5, 2011 10:31 AM

    “If the Bills are making such a big profit, then they don’t need their game day welfare payment they get from the taxpayers of Erie County and New York state. Time to wean the Bills off from the public tit and charge for tickets what NFL teams charge.

    Many Buffalo Bills fans rather have a good tailgate party than a good team.

    In the meantime the Bills still suck.”
    ____________________________________

    Reading comprehension really isnt your forte is it?? every one of these idiotic points have been addressed with factual information, but yet you babble out the same dribble as if somehow, this time, it might make sense. nope, still doesnt you lose.

    by your argument, no team should receive public subsidy right? do you have any clue how many NFL teams receive some sort of public subsidy? it seems your downing the fact that the NFL has revenue sharing right? i wonder what it would look like without it?

    and please, the giants have a whopping 1 win more than the Bills.
    tool.

  68. gmen1987 says: Dec 5, 2011 2:06 PM

    Goobs,

    You don’t seem to get the difference between revenue sharing and getting welfare payments from the taxpayers or you are in denial that there is a difference. Let’s see how well the Bills would do without being on welfare. Let’s see how well the Bills would do with real world ticket prices.

    Keep enjoying being a fan of the NFL’s only part time team.

    Soon they will be the San Antontio Bills.

  69. stanmark says: Dec 5, 2011 2:54 PM

    you are completely incompetent. Keep avoiding the questions, this just makes you look silly.

    1. whats your definition of a welfare payment? Are the Bills unique to this situation?

    Nope, no there not. Once again you are clueless.

    “Soon they will be the San Antontio Bills.”

    BWAHHHHH HAHAHAHAA

    bless your heart.

  70. gmen1987 says: Dec 7, 2011 11:09 AM

    Goobs, Name a team other than the Bills that collect welfare payments? Only New Orleans Saints get welfare. I’m waiting for you to name another team, Goobs. I gave you one.

    No surprise the Bills are on welfare since so many of Bills fans are also on welfare.

  71. stanmark says: Dec 7, 2011 1:36 PM

    define what a welfare payment is you tool. its amazing how oblivious some people are. you continually avoid the questions that you know prove you wrong, then you come back with some idiotic garbage. i guess thats why your patented move is the new jersey fist pump.

  72. gmen1987 says: Dec 9, 2011 8:25 AM

    I already did Goobs. The Bills get a $800,000 per game payment from Erie County. That is welfare.

  73. stanmark says: Dec 9, 2011 9:27 AM

    i see now. facts are really your “thing” are they?? making things up is. what you put up there is completely false, im temped to let your idiocy live on while everyone around you makes fun of you behind your back… but what the hey… lets look back at how dumb you are: 10 Diff ways:
    1. “The Bills get a $800,000 per game payment from Erie County. That is welfare.”
    well, no, no they dont get 800k from erie county, thats actually false, however, over half the teams in the NFL receive taxpayer subsidies. welfare????
    2. “Name a team other than the Bills that collect welfare payments? Only New Orleans Saints get welfare. ”
    lol. now that you outed your moronic definition of “welfare”, i guess you must hate your own team as well.
    3. “Soon they will be the San Antontio Bills.”
    lol. i think this speaks for itself. what a knob.
    4. “Mind explaining how the Bills are in the 10 most profitable NFL team list when they have the cheapest NFL tickets and little revenue from corporate suites?”
    yep, we covered that as well, you abandoned it because you realized your ignorance.
    5. ““Green Bay and Chicago have worse weather that Buffalo.””
    LOL, !!!! couldnt have been more wrong again there.
    6. “If the Bills are so wealthy, then why do they have the fewest home games of any team in the NFL?”
    false again, proven wrong on multiple levels lol. how horribly ignorant.
    7. “They are bottom feeders (sort of like a lot of people in Buffalo).”
    Welfare rates higher in your NJ home than in Buffalo.
    8. “The City of Buffalo and Erie County were so incompetent that the state of New York had to take over both of their finances.”
    we all see a pattern here. you merely make up BS and move on to the next point that is made up. thats not how it works lil guy.
    9. “If the area fans cannot support a team (without welfare payments), then that team should move to a city that will”
    well, a simple lookback shows the BUF fanbase as one of the stongest in attendance over the last 15 years. even when they are blacked out they have nearly the equivalent #’s as 50% of the league stadiums.
    10. “The Giants and Jets playing in New Jersey is no different than the Buffalo Bills not playing in Buffalo.”
    my favorite here. nope. its not the same. your jersey logic is laughable, and demonstrated by this top 10 list. this is a sick burn on your intelligence.

  74. gmen1987 says: Dec 11, 2011 7:45 AM

    Please put down the crackpipe, Goobs. It’s making you very delusional.

    The fact remains that the Buffalo Bills are the only permanent part time NFL team. They haven’t made the playoffs in the 21st century. It’s a team that collects welfare with lots of fans who are on welfare.

  75. stanmark says: Dec 11, 2011 9:04 AM

    the fact is, there is a top 10 list of how ignorant you are. everything up there is true. everything you say at this point has already been addressed and proven wrong, so now you ignorance comes full circle by just recycling old dribble.
    nice try, you got destroyed here.

  76. gmen1987 says: Dec 14, 2011 12:03 PM

    Goobs, just Google Buffalo Bills 2013 and see the recent talk about the Bills moving.

    Lease is up after next season. The Bills won’t get as big of welfare payment as they did in the past. Ticket prices will go up. The welfare bum fans can’t afford the higher ticket prices. Bills will move.

    The Bills moving will be a good thing for Buffalo. Perhaps the people of Buffalo can see only they themselves can improve their lot in life. Don’t expect the rest of us to support you.

  77. stanmark says: Dec 16, 2011 8:52 AM

    the problem with little bums your age is you think “googling” any subject makes you an expert. welp, it doesnt. my guess is whatever school you went to accepted wikipedia as a credible source as well… how sad.
    the fact is, people of buffalo have seen all of this before, many times and this case is nothing new. A”welfare payment” as you have defined is received in some form by every team in the league. Cities want professional teams on their turf. But I don’t expect you to know all this, bless your heart.
    The stadium renovations that are in planning coincide with the lease extension didn’t know that one did you? Sorry it’s probably not easy to google more than a couple words at a time for you.
    They’ve seen new owners, ticket price increases, and a horrible team put out for many years. Whats funny is that they still have the most well attended seasons year after year.
    So once again, with inarguable points, your ignorance is blatantly obvious and must be embarrassing for you.

  78. gmen1987 says: Dec 19, 2011 10:09 AM

    Goobs, I guess that the media reporting the Governor Coumo saying the state wasn’t going to be spending $100 million dollars of taxpayers money for stadium improvements was made up.

    When has the Bills ever had a new owner, Goobs? Boy are you delusional.

  79. gmen1987 says: Dec 21, 2011 7:14 PM

    Hey Goobs, another nice showing of support for the Bills by the Bills fans. Say goodbye to your welfare payments and say goodbye to the Bills after next season.

  80. stanmark says: Dec 21, 2011 9:38 PM

    lol you just spit out the same nonsense whenever you remove your helmet huh? i guess it takes you that long to respond because you still have dial up right? hahaha oh well, ill still dumb it down in simple short phrases that your idiot brain can understand.
    the stadium is going to get renovated, the county and state will chip in money. every county of every stadium home provides subsidies to every team in the league, nothing new. there’s been talk of new ownership, moving, selling, buying, trading, you name it for years. its common knowledge the lease will be extended, and guess who’s in line to purchase the team from ralphy???????

  81. stanmark says: Dec 21, 2011 9:45 PM

    bwahahaa you are such a little worm. Cuomo didn’t commit to the funding, but said he would work with Erie County and the community to keep the NFL franchise. “The Bills are very important, not just for western New York but to the entire state,” Cuomo said when asked by reporters. “So I’m looking forward to working with the county and the entire community in finding ways to make sure the Bills stay here.”

    sounds good to me, and i live 900 miles away. i do hear that jersey is extra grimey this time of year though.

  82. gmen1987 says: Jan 2, 2012 9:56 AM

    Looks like another nice season from the Bills (not!).

    Bills haven’t played in the playoffs this century (only team not to do so), yet they want more welfare.

    Move them out of Buffalo. Give Buffalo that CFL franchise they so well deserve.

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