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Vick’s contract will be a factor in Reid’s status

Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid talks with quarterback Michael Vick after Vick's touchdown pass in a pre-season exhibition football game with the Cleveland Browns in Philadelphia Reuters

Earlier this week, the word on the NFL street was that, despite the implosion of the Dream Team, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie would keep coach Andy Reid.

After last night’s sleepwalk in Seattle, it’s hard to feel good about Reid’s future in Philly.

But then there’s this.  Quarterback Mike Vick has a fully guaranteed base salary of $12.5 million in 2012.  So unless he’s traded (and based on his performance this year he won’t be), the Eagles are stuck with Vick.  And Reid’s ability in 2010 to get the most out of Vick will make it more likely that Reid and Vick will be together again in 2012.

Besides, which other coach would want to be saddled with Vick — and which other coach would Vick accept?

After 2012, it’s not a problem.  At that point, the Eagles can move on from the much-hyped $100 million contract that never will be worth that much.  But they’re stuck with Vick for at least one more year, which means that they’ll likely be stuck with Reid for at least one more year.

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  1. nfloracle says: Dec 2, 2011 10:48 AM

    Geez, sounds like they’re stuck.

  2. starfan79 says: Dec 2, 2011 10:49 AM

    I’m a cowboys fan and I think Reid is an excellent coach. He will be picked up quick if he does go.

  3. rudwo says: Dec 2, 2011 10:50 AM

    At which point Reid will probably go back to winning and it won’t matter.

  4. huskersrock1 says: Dec 2, 2011 10:51 AM

    I think better Vick will accept any coach hired by the “owner”. Reid should be fired for bringing in Vick.

  5. westmantooth says: Dec 2, 2011 10:51 AM

    Done hearing about the Eagles. They’re horrible. Lots of horrible teams. Move on.

  6. Marc Lombardi says: Dec 2, 2011 10:51 AM

    It’s a match made in Hell. The Eagles will be perrenial losers as long as both player & coach are associated with this club.

  7. sonopazzo6 says: Dec 2, 2011 10:52 AM

    This is fact…….I was gonna get a FIRE ANDY T-shirt but why frustrate myself.

  8. philtration says: Dec 2, 2011 10:52 AM

    They asked for this.

    Vince Young was right.
    This really is a dream come true.

  9. biggerballz says: Dec 2, 2011 10:54 AM

    That’s why you should of franchised vick, anyone from ATL could of told you he quits working once he gets paid!

  10. notrelated says: Dec 2, 2011 10:54 AM

    While I agree neither are going anywhere, there’s a serious flaw in this assessment. The Eagles could easily draft a QB early and start him under a new coach. Vick and his contract could ride the bench. Vick would be exactly where he belongs. A backup.

  11. realitypolice says: Dec 2, 2011 10:54 AM

    That post made me depressed and I’m not even an Eagles fan.

    How could that possibly work? How can a coach who has completely lost his team get them back next year when they know he is a lame duck who is only there because Mike Vick is making $12.5 million dollars and they can’t get rid of him?

    Man, Eagles fans, if you think this year sucked……..

  12. dasboat says: Dec 2, 2011 10:56 AM

    Eagles are in a tough spot. Reid is clearly a good coach and would have a new job immediately, if he wanted it. But 13 years is a long time in this league. Still, if I’m Jeff Lurie I’m asking, “Who’s better at his job? Reid as a coach or Rosemann as a GM?” It’s an easy answer that makes this a hard call.

  13. souljalb says: Dec 2, 2011 10:57 AM

    And that is fine. The problem is DEFENSE! Turnovers can be fixed. Get rid of Juan!

  14. wcdunkenfield says: Dec 2, 2011 10:58 AM

    Wow, then I’m pumped for 2012. Can’t wait to see how Andy and MV “do a better job of getting folks into position to win games.” Should be awesome.

    Time’s yours.

  15. pabillsfan says: Dec 2, 2011 10:59 AM

    If they don’t bounce back next year, get rid of both of them. Time to move on.

  16. nflofficeadmin says: Dec 2, 2011 10:59 AM

    Show some stones and get rid of them both. And that back-up QB as well.

  17. sasquash20 says: Dec 2, 2011 10:59 AM

    Please fire the Walrus.

  18. bobleblah says: Dec 2, 2011 11:01 AM

    Next year should suck anyway. Dump Reid, hire Rob Ryan as Head Coach and Norv as Offensive Coordinator. Draft Barkley and sit him behind Vick for a year. Eagles fans will be a lot more patient if there is at least some kind of change.

  19. herwordskillyou says: Dec 2, 2011 11:01 AM

    It was pretty obvious that Reid and Vick were tied at the hip once this contract was done. That’s why the calls for Andy’s head will fall upon deaf ears. Reid saved Vick and Vick only wants to play for Reid. Do the math Eagles fans.

  20. glac1 says: Dec 2, 2011 11:03 AM

    Minnesota may take Vick.. that seems to be their habit at the qb position.

  21. righton989 says: Dec 2, 2011 11:04 AM

    Does that mean that Vick will be able to bring his dogs to the games, too?

  22. stonedwhitetrash says: Dec 2, 2011 11:07 AM

    It appears that Pro Football is quickly turning from talent to drama and bible thumping to fill stadiums— Reality football arrived with Mike Vick, and continues with Tebow mania

  23. vdaigglesfan says: Dec 2, 2011 11:08 AM

    Saddled? This is the golden age of this franchise. Saddled is Tose as an owner, Kotite as HC and name your laughable QB, how about a Detmer or two. Vick has not had a training camp as a starter since Falcon days. I’m for staying the course for one more season. Saddled…not!

  24. voiceofrealism says: Dec 2, 2011 11:08 AM

    That’s hilarious. Only 90 days after giving Vick the new contract, everyone realizes what a terrible idea it was. Geez, it usually takes a year or two.

  25. mwcarolina says: Dec 2, 2011 11:11 AM

    wow, how little people remember. i am not saying that Vick is great, BUT fire Reid for keeping Vick instead of Kolb, come on. the only issue i have with Reid is who he hired as his defensive coordinator, if you draft a QB and get a new coach, then you lose 100 mill (like Haynesworth), lose a talent in Vick and lose a coach who has really rarely lost much, i wouldnt quit on Reid and Vick yet. Vick is what he is. good passer, great runner, cant stay healthy, good for what he is, better than Kevin Kolb. Reid is a good coach normally.

  26. wcdunkenfield says: Dec 2, 2011 11:11 AM

    “Donovan, Donovan, Donovan…”

    Oh, wait, wrong thread…

  27. gallaghedj311 says: Dec 2, 2011 11:12 AM

    I hope reid is back. Despite what the rest of philly thinks, Reids still the best coach for this team. People forget how this team was the 3 seed last year. Won the division. #InAndyiTrust

  28. phillyfan4ever says: Dec 2, 2011 11:17 AM

    Its like this:

    1)Reid is coming back, reguardless of the rest of the season

    2) Were going to get a serious defensive coordinator, bye bye Juan

    3) Draft/Trade/Aquire Linebackers & Safetys

    4) Vick isn’t the problem, our offense is fine, when healthy!

  29. kh221 says: Dec 2, 2011 11:19 AM

    Reid is a great prep coach, but refuses to make in-game adjustments. And who signs a ton of free agents for a SB run then makes the OL coach the DC?

    Players obviously aren’t responding to Reid anymore. Best thing for both coach and a teams future is a mutual split.

  30. delsj says: Dec 2, 2011 11:21 AM

    Sadly this is correct. Thank you for not including the additional garbage justifying Reid’s return. He does not deserve to return, but he will and it’s going to continue to tarnish the great things he has done here (with Jimmy Johnson – RIP).

    Hopefully, Reid will man-up and resign. He will easily be able to find a new job with equal or better pay since the national scene is still completely enamoured with him. A new coach and new DC can fix the defense. Vick is a one-year albatrose, but a new coach can draft a QB and ride out next year. Can’t be any worse than this one.

  31. nickster31 says: Dec 2, 2011 11:22 AM

    You sure post a lot of articles about how Andy Reid isn’t going to get fired.

    Just sayin.

  32. mikea311 says: Dec 2, 2011 11:30 AM

    yeah like any candidate would deny a head coaching job in the NFL, i dont care who the qb is.

    lots of people would take that job.

  33. bigtganks says: Dec 2, 2011 11:31 AM

    biggerballz: Should HAVE, not should of. You’re better than that…

  34. djstat says: Dec 2, 2011 11:37 AM

    Instead of pointing out that Vick flourished under Reid in 2010 how about pointing out he failed under Reid in 2011. What have you done for me lately.

    Reid is a lousy coach. A good coach does not make an OLine coach his DC. A good coach does not let his players choose who their QB is. A good coach does not allow a player like jackson to become a cancer. Andy Reid is a bad coach. 1-4 in conference championships and 0-1 in the SB.

    Anyone who thinks the Eagles cannot find a better coach is a retard

  35. pkrjones says: Dec 2, 2011 11:38 AM

    Throwing bad money after bad money… keep up the good work. Reid’s contract calls for $5Mil + per year guaranteed. Vick has $12.5Mil guaranteed for 2012. They’ll both stay, which dooms poor Philly fans to at least another year of (sub)mediocrity.

  36. mojosmagic says: Dec 2, 2011 11:40 AM

    It makes a small amount of sense that Reid gets another year for a number of reasons but “Take The Windy” Marty and Juan Castillo who isn’t qualified to use a leaf blower have to go. Morningclueless has Vince Young come out guns a blazing when the guy is a bad play waiting to happen. You have a back like McCoy and you wait until your behind by 21 to unleash him made no sense. Castillo is beyond horrible and doesn’t have nary a clue how to come up with a solid game against Tavaris Jackson (stinks) let alone make in game adjustments. Reid is responsible because he hired and entrusted those people. The Eagle salso have the worse group of linebackers I have ever seen on a NFL team and that falls on Reid as well.

  37. mojosmagic says: Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM

    On second thought Reid should be fired and there are a lot of talented coaches who who would love to work with Vick.

  38. jakek2 says: Dec 2, 2011 11:52 AM

    Giants fan here. While this implosion is much more satisfying than my team’s collapse, I fully expect Andy to bounce back next year and get the Ickles back on track. I’m really hoping Lurie knee-jerks and fires Reid. I’ve seen enough of him to know the guy can coach.

  39. 16x8equal49ers says: Dec 2, 2011 11:53 AM

    This season for Andy Reid has been similar to the season after the SuperBowl loss. That season was marred by personnel issues i.e T.O. was benched, DeSean is having issues with coach & front office. Also there was an injury to McNabb that saw him lost for an extent period of time just like Vick this season. They finished 6-10 just like they will this year. Andy Reid bounced back.

  40. spharrgcs says: Dec 2, 2011 11:56 AM

    Prediction: Andy Reid resigns. He gave it his best shot this year – it was an epic fail. He knows his days are numbered if he has another season anywhere close to this. If he is really smart he will save himself now before the door is shown for him.

  41. quirtevans says: Dec 2, 2011 11:56 AM

    Reid’s biggest failing, in my view, was letting Juan Castillo talk him into being the defensive coordinator. That decision was far, far worse than the Vick contract.

    Assuming Castillo takes the fall for this year, I’m betting Reid gets another year to turn things around. And maybe hires Steve Spagnuolo as his defensive coordinator. I’d really love to see Spags go back to the Giants and replace Fewell, but I think the better odds are on him going back to Philly.

  42. pftstory says: Dec 2, 2011 11:58 AM

    He has not had a Super Bowl title year, but how many bad years has he had? Reid can get to the title game. One bad year of trying things that didn’t work out should not be instant “fire ‘em.” It should be based on a trend. And the trend for the Eagles has been good for most of his recent tenure, hasn’t it?

    So yeah..give him next year to show if he can get it turned around or not. As we heard here a ton, the teams with allot of turnover would struggle due to the lock out. Based on past success, there is reason to believe he can get it turned around. Its not like he is Singletary.

    He should have to sell Lurie on why he wants to keep the D-Coordinator (if he does). That I’d expect would be a tough sell.

    But I wont agree “the offense is just fine.”

  43. stini777 says: Dec 2, 2011 11:58 AM

    “Besides, which other coach would want to be saddled with Vick — and which other coach would Vick accept?”

    It starts with Tony and ends with Dungy.

  44. xxwhodatxx says: Dec 2, 2011 12:10 PM

    Wait hold on a min where are all the stories that you all were selling about how Vick is sooo great? That the eagles locked up a top 5 QB and how they were gonna win it all led by a brand new Vick. Lmao! I find it so damn hilarious how you can be so wrong and then when it’s proven that you were wrong all of a sudden u knew all along that this wasn’t the case. Media ppl are funny.

  45. thejuddstir says: Dec 2, 2011 12:11 PM

    Vick has never been a team player and last time I checked, it takes a team to win a SB. Some fans get so caught up in Vicks stats, which result from his ability to run because he couldn’t find a secondary receiver if it were only him and 2 wr’s on the field. Vick perhaps would’ve been a winner had he played golf or tennis but he has never and will never make a team better. I can’t believe there are still as many Vick fans as there appears to be, guess it’s more important for them to have Vick lead the league in rushing as a QB than to win a SB.

  46. t2live says: Dec 2, 2011 12:19 PM

    I’m a Redskins fan. The eagles are in our division and even I believe Andy Reid is a good coach. Took the eagles to 3 straight NFC Championship games, 1 superbowl. He got the most out of McNabb, Kolb and even Vick. The bad choice he made was moving Juan Castillo to the Defensive Coordinator position. That didnt make sense. Obviously the players love Reid or they wouldnt have rallied around him. Vick is risk/reward player but they have to keep Reid for at least one more year. You can’t bench him because of one bad year after all he’s done for Philly. Oh and please just pay DeSean. He’s obviously outperformed his rookie contract.

  47. nomoreseasontix says: Dec 2, 2011 12:21 PM

    Sucks to be them…

  48. bobbyhoying says: Dec 2, 2011 12:25 PM

    So how many Eagles fans are ready to trade Andy straight up for Shanahan or Coughlin? How about Norv Turner, Maybe Leslie Frasier? Tony Sparano could easily be available. How about just hiring a good defensive coordinator and getting rid of DeSean Cancer?

  49. t2live says: Dec 2, 2011 12:40 PM

    I said all along they gave Vick that contract to soon. I like Vick but he had one good year. All they had to do was give him the franchise tag this year. People were telling me if he did even better this year he would command more money, well look how that turned out?

  50. phillybirds says: Dec 2, 2011 12:42 PM

    bobbyhoying

    Those arent our only options. When Ray Rhodes was fired we hired a QB coach.

  51. icontutu says: Dec 2, 2011 12:45 PM

    What other coach would have Vick as his Q/B? Tony Dungy, “If we can get him to come back!” He’s mentored Vick, back into the NFL and he’s had time to support his family and the loss of his son! He’s the best coach for the Eagles system, roster and as an analyst, “First Hand knowledge of the current status of, The NFL.” Gruden took his tean to the S/B and lost his job as he couldn’t handle a Q/B controversy…

  52. Deb says: Dec 2, 2011 12:47 PM

    Reid is an excellent coach. And Vick is an uber talent. The absolute insanity here was Reid removing his offensive line coach and bringing in someone with a different system so Vick gets squashed like a bug on a windshield. Then he installs the old offensive line coach as defensive coordinator?? Seriously??

    Andy is an excellent coach. But those decisions tanked his dream season, and it’s impossible to rationalize his thinking on this.

  53. freewayjim says: Dec 2, 2011 1:01 PM

    I am still amazed after 10 years that people are seduced by Michael Vick’s athleticism and nothing more. The guy is not a consistent, reliable QB, he still probably can’t read defenses at the level a typical 10 year veteran can.

    Mike Kafka is probably the most consistent, reliable QB on that roster if given extended playing time. A smart coach would start him for the last 4 games to see what he can do.

  54. kevpft says: Dec 2, 2011 1:24 PM

    By “Reid’s ability in 2010 to get the most out of Vick,” do you mean Vick’s largely inconsistent play that weakened as the year went on, culminating in an end-of-regular-season collapse and whiffing out in the first round of the playoffs?

    Looking at Vick’s career, I would in fact say that is “the most”.

  55. pigskinswag says: Dec 2, 2011 1:40 PM

    Philadelphia Eagles = Most talked about 4-8 team EVER

  56. zonedogz says: Dec 2, 2011 1:57 PM

    Eagle fans, you got what you deserved. Vick was never more than a great athlete playing QB. He was and still is one of the most sacked QB’s in NFL history and by running as much as he does, an injury waiting to happen. Never a leader of men, Atlanta I’m sure could even call him worse. Andy Reid was desperate for a championship and bought into what Roger Goodell and Tony Dungy were selling when Vick wanted back in the league. I know Vick doesn’t
    play or coach on defense but the pervasive attitude on the team stinks and that starts with the head coach and team
    leadership. Lurie should dump Reid and Vick and right the ship the second after their ” dream season” is over.

  57. brintfatre says: Dec 2, 2011 1:58 PM

    They will only be stuck with Vick for 6 or 7 games in 2012. He usually takes time off in the later part of the season…

  58. franklamar17 says: Dec 2, 2011 2:43 PM

    vick is a top ten QB in the nfl,yes he did not have his A game every game,but he is still better than 27 other QBs in the nfl..roger,ben,brady,brees,cam other than that ,there is not another qb better than him..how many would have won playing with the eagles defense..They had a off year..reid he is a good coach,not one sitting on the side line (couch) better than him..

  59. choice1329 says: Dec 2, 2011 3:22 PM

    Funny thing, I didn’t hear not one person complain about the contract Kevin Kolb received last year from the Eagles, and he did absolutely nothing to deserve all the millions he was paid for doing absolutely nothing. The little time that he did play he was scared to death. Vick stands there and gets hit after hit, because the line can’t protect him. And you folks want to complain, fact is they gave him a Brady, or Manning contract, but forgot to give him a Brady, Manning Oline. I also find it strange that no other qb’s contract is being discussed on a daily basis by these reporters…………………..wonder why that is??

    Oh yes btw, Kevin Kolb is in Arizona making millions again, and doing absolutely nothing again to earn it. You folks need to get real and say what the real reason for your continued complaints and conversation about Vick’s contract, because it definitely doesn’t have anything to do with his play.

  60. tigrrrr says: Dec 2, 2011 6:55 PM

    Vick has a contract due with Karma…another payment is due!

  61. jkaflagg says: Dec 2, 2011 7:47 PM

    Glad someone finally figured this out; when they committed to Vick, they also committed to Reid…….

  62. acasar123 says: Dec 2, 2011 9:33 PM

    “Vick stands there and gets hit after hit, because the line can’t protect him” No, he takes hit after hit because he can’t read defenses, is an awful decision maker, can’t see over the lineman in front of him, and just sucks as a quarterback. For crissake, when do we stop talking about this guy? Michael Vick was a great quarterback one time in his career…when he played for the prison football team!

  63. daddyb1gdrawz says: Dec 3, 2011 1:31 AM

    Is it possible to pay players hourly? Better yet by games played because Vick manages to get hurt every year. Just like Maclin and Deshean Jackson always has some kind of hamstring injury.

  64. axespray says: Dec 3, 2011 5:01 AM

    “Quarterback Mike Vick has a fully guaranteed base salary of $12.5 million in 2012″

    lol, vick making more money per year than Rodgers?

  65. snowpea84 says: Dec 3, 2011 12:17 PM

    Fire Reid. Another coach can have Vick for one year. Get other pieces he wants in around him. Maybe sign a young QB too sit for a year. Get a high draft pick. Dump Vick.
    The rest of the roster is good. The sooner they replace the QB the sooner they are competitive again.

  66. mkdave23 says: Dec 3, 2011 2:10 PM

    I’m no Vick fan, but the downfall of the ‘Dream Team’ is not attributable to Mike Vick. The blame falls at the feet of the defense that thinks run plays are plays off. And the line that seem unmoved by the pummeling their quarterback takes. The line has improved, but the damage was done earlier in the season, both to Vick’s body and the Eagles playoff hopes. The recievers are weapons, but they lack consistency. Desean Jackson should be a fully-fledged superstar, but he just isn’t. Their vaunted free agent acquisitions are being horribly misused. Asomugha was an incredibly talented man/ press corner, and they’re sitting him in a zone like he’s Asante Samuel (speaking of which, they want to get rid of the one corner that belongs in their system?). Justin Babin racks up sacks, and that will happen if you line up your DE outside the tight end. You’ll also get gashed by inside runs.

    McCoy is virtually the only Eagle to leave years campaign deserving of a head held high, to pin all of the blame on Vick isn’t fair.

  67. choice1329 says: Dec 3, 2011 9:26 PM

    axespray says:
    Dec 3, 2011 5:01 AM
    “Quarterback Mike Vick has a fully guaranteed base salary of $12.5 million in 2012″

    lol, vick making more money per year than Rodgers
    —————————————————————————————————-

    Kevin Kolb is making just as much or close to what Rogers make too, not only that he made 11 millions last year for doing nothing but walking up and down the side line drinking gatorade and chewing bubble gum. Now is you want to laugh at something, laugh at that. lol

  68. choice1329 says: Dec 3, 2011 9:29 PM

    @mkdave23, they know that, but for some reason they think Vick is suppose to play for free. They didn’t and don’t have a problem with Kevin Kolb robbing every team he plays on.

  69. genevalove says: Dec 3, 2011 10:37 PM

    Choice1329 is inferring that any vick criticism is racially tinged.i watched this idiot take the falcons to six losing seasons.he gave fans the finger,showing disrespect to his
    team and city.he was all about
    himself,.never about winning.he is a loser,both as a man and a qb.

  70. choice1329 says: Dec 4, 2011 10:34 AM

    genevalove says:
    Dec 3, 2011 10:37 PM
    Choice1329 is inferring that any vick criticism is racially tinged.i watched this idiot take the falcons to six losing seasons.he gave fans the finger,showing disrespect to his
    team and city.he was all about
    himself,.never about winning.he is a loser,both as a man and
    ————————————————–
    ————————————————–

    I live in Atlanta and know exactly what Vick did in the community in Atlanta. Problem is you folks think that you have a right to say whatever, and it all good, fact is it doesn’t work that way. Had that fan called me or any member of my family the name he called Vick and his family, I would have gave him the finger too, fact is the dude is lucky he didn’t get his a@@ kicked. Sounds like you are the one who has never been a winner, but is a loser. Vick is a very long way from being a loser, which is exactly why you are here making that dumba@@ comment. Do you think that you will ever be able to get a 100 million dollar contract once in your life time let alone two………..my guess no. Losers aren’t able to get those types of contract TWICE.

  71. choice1329 says: Dec 4, 2011 10:39 AM

    @genevalove, I forgot to ask who said anything about race, not including yourself? Be careful there your racism is beginning to shine through.

  72. genevalove says: Dec 4, 2011 12:37 PM

    The person writing the above comment, should be as concerned about the inability to speak and write a sentence,than vicks bogus contracts.
    Is this affirmative action at work?

    Vick has lost many games.shouldnt the same punishment he delivered to his “players”,be applied to him?

  73. genevalove says: Dec 4, 2011 1:59 PM

    also,mr. choice:
    vick has ONE 100mil contract, not two! I may not have a huge contract, but I also have never been sent to federal prison, never tortured creatures for the sick joy of it. I also do not owe millions to debtors, and I CAN MASTER THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE!

    Living in atlanta, I am sure you are aware of vick’s non profit(501c3?) He was supposed to be giving the inner city poor kids free book bags. Well, no book bags ever went to a kid. He paid his babies’ mama(s) and his own mama, the proceeds. Yeah, check it out! The only reason, he wasn’t busted on that, was because he had bigger issues with the feds in va.!
    I really feel sorry for the black community, that believes vick is someone to emulate. A barely literate, cruel,self absorbed beast!
    When people like bill cosby, tell the inner city, to “be responsible, stop blaming others, get an education, learn to speak proper English, have some pride in your accomplishments”, he is not referring to the mike vicks of the world.

    Yeah, I may not have a million dollar contract, but I have an education, and a level of integrity, which vick and his entire genre, can never have. He is an evil man, that is laughable, when he tries to articulate.

    His “100million” will be quickly squandered on debts, taxes owed, lawyers and PR people, trying to keep his sorry ass out of prison. What next? another drive by at a b’day party? Sure, everyone wants one of those.

    The race thing is getting old. QUIT BLAMING and START ACHIEVING! Did you see his ” team leadership” for the falcons? No, because he has no team loyalty. He is a self centered, not very smart person, who has physical strength without much else.

    Vick has always been a loser. Imagine him, trying to actually have a real job? What skills does he have, besides buying bling and killing dogs?

    If you have kids in atlanta, mr.choice, I hope you are teaching them non vick values. Go to school, show some class and pride in your everyday life. Teach them, not to be a overrated, under achieving dredge of society.

    When it is all said and done, vick will be remembered for his barbaric acts to animals, and nothing else. He is truly a LOSER!

  74. vickhater says: Dec 4, 2011 3:45 PM

    Hey Mr. Choice..sure looks like genevalove SLAMMED your ass much like Vick did to those poor defenseless dogs..come on now..are you really that stupid or are you just pretending to be stupid..you cannot be serious..Is there really a bigger loser in life than Vick..because he got a big contract and fooled the Eagles into giving him one makes him a winner..you can’t be dumb enough to realize money doesn’t make the man..there really is more to life than money..afterall we are talking sports here…so many more important things in life than sports..Vick is a sociopath..and he will end up back in jail where he belongs….not much else to add..genevalove said it all..if you think Vick is anything other than a sociopath deranged killer then you are no better than he is!

  75. choice1329 says: Dec 5, 2011 6:57 PM

    vickhater says:
    Dec 4, 2011 3:45 PM
    Hey Mr. Choice..sure looks like genevalove SLAMMED your ass much like Vick did to those poor defenseless dogs..come on now..are you really that stupid or are you just pretending to be stupid..you cannot be serious..Is there really a bigger loser in life than Vick..because he got a big contract and fooled the Eagles into giving him one makes him a winner..you can’t be dumb enough to realize money doesn’t make the man..there really is more to life than money..afterall we are talking sports here…so many more important things in life than sports..Vick is a sociopath..and he will end up back in jail where he belongs….not much else to add..genevalove said it all..if you think Vick is anything other than a sociopath deranged killer then you are no better than he is!

    ___________________________________
    ___________________________________

    I don’t think so, however from the name you have chosen for yourself I can understand why you do. Funny how somehow who refers to themself as a hater, has the nerve to cause someone else a sociopath, is unbelievable. It takes a lot of energy to hate, you must be tired all the time.

  76. choice1329 says: Dec 5, 2011 11:02 PM

    @genevalove, regardless to how many of my comments this moderator removes, rest assured it doesn’t take away from the fact that you’re nothing more than a racist loser, which is exactly why you are whining.

  77. genevalove says: Dec 6, 2011 2:06 PM

    too bad you are afraid of the truth. having remarks removed is censorship. Yeah, racist because i wish you wanted better for your people.

    not much hope for future generations. if a white qb had done the horrific acts vick did, the white community would have made sure, he never played again. we are not afraid to criticize criminals, regardless of skin tone.

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