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Lions don’t learn: Penalties doom Detroit

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The Lions got another national television audience Sunday night. The opposition changed, but the bone-headed penalties by Detroit remained a constant.

Even with Ndamukong Suh suspended, the Lions still fielded the least disciplined team this side of Oakland. At some point, this has to come back to coach Jim Schwartz.

The Saints beat the Lions 31-17 for many reasons on Sunday; Drew Brees being primary among them. But Detroit could have been so much more competitive if not for penalties.

The Lions took three personal foul penalties after the whistle, including tight end Brandon Pettigrew’s shove of an official. Each penalty came at a critical moment and cost the team dearly.

In all, the Lions were penalized 11 times for 109 yards. The mental mistakes made it too tough to win in the Superdome.

It’s difficult enough to match up with the Saints offense.  Brees threw for 333 yards and three touchdowns on 35 attempts. Jimmy Graham dominated single coverage again with eight catches.

The Saints defense made some key plays, but it’s not like they dominated.  Matthew Stafford threw for more than 400 yards and over nine yards-per-attempt. It was his most consistent performance since he hurt his finger in Denver, but he was fighting uphill because of the penalties.

New Orleans is now cruising to an NFC South title in large part because they are unbeatable at home.

The Lions are 2-5 in their last seven games in large part because they keep beating themselves.

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  1. irodex says: Dec 4, 2011 11:50 PM

    Bunch of undisciplined punks. I’m so happy they probably won’t be in the playoffs.

  2. redbullenergydrink says: Dec 4, 2011 11:50 PM

    Penalties or no penalties, Saints > Lions.

  3. silvercrush33 says: Dec 4, 2011 11:51 PM

    Coming from a Lions fan for the past 15 years, this hurts. Play the game, not the officials. Keep it clean, and between the whistles (or SHORTLY thereafter). You have the talent, use it.

    And holy expletive, will all of you Lions please just play for the team instead of yourself. (Here’s looking at you, Suh, Burleson, Wright, Young, Pettigrew. You’re all relatively new to the team, you have no idea what the existing players and their fans have been through. Don’t put us through it again.)

    8 weeks in I was ecstatic to be in playoff contention. Now I’m just hoping for a .500+ season.

  4. Wisconsin77 says: Dec 4, 2011 11:52 PM

    Dirtiest scrubiest team in the NFL bar none. Absolutely no discipline on that team.

  5. buckeye044 says: Dec 4, 2011 11:52 PM

    Pretty obvious the officials were looking for things to call on the Lions. The 3 pass interference calls on 13 were questionable and aren’t called in any other game.
    Still, they lost their cool too often.

  6. dfinpds says: Dec 4, 2011 11:54 PM

    and the excuses about officiating can commence……now……

  7. Soulman45 says: Dec 4, 2011 11:55 PM

    THE GREAT DETROIT LIONS
    Made me look bad tonight to many flags which was their doing.

  8. packfaninchitown says: Dec 4, 2011 11:55 PM

    Congratulations to the NFC North Division Champion Packers! WOO HOO!

  9. zammael says: Dec 4, 2011 11:56 PM

    I heard Kevin Smith was productive before he collapsed for no reason. What gives?

  10. fragorock says: Dec 4, 2011 11:56 PM

    if u wanna see an immature team, look no further

  11. camssportsjam says: Dec 4, 2011 11:57 PM

    Such crappy penalties by the Lions, but three PI against Burleson, then another facemask? idk about that…

  12. broncobillie says: Dec 4, 2011 11:57 PM

    Once again, the Lions are 2-5 in their last 7 games and the Broncos (that’s your quarterback – seriously?) are 6-1. Maybe it’s best to focus on playing to win, not running your yap…

  13. possiblecabbage says: Dec 4, 2011 11:58 PM

    I have to wonder, have three offensive pass interference penalties ever been called on the same player in a single game? I’m not saying that Burleson wasn’t guilty of at least three instances of OPI, but you’d think that most guys would stop after the first two.

  14. lrak76 says: Dec 4, 2011 11:59 PM

    It will only get worse when the veterans are gone. Their is no leadership on that team. They were finally getting disciplined until Schwartz lost it on Harbaugh and they will continue to crumble. All I can hope is they learn their lesson and come back next year a different team.

  15. claymatthewsisonsteroids says: Dec 4, 2011 11:59 PM

    It comes top down from Schwartz. I like him but he needs to become more disciplined if he wants his team to take the next step.

  16. bh83 says: Dec 5, 2011 12:00 AM

    After each on of their bonehead penalties I watched the penalized player walk to the sideline. When he arrived he was greated two
    ways; pats in the head by teammates and “coach” shwartz speaking to
    them. There seemed to be no anger, no outrage no anything. Can you imagine coaching staffs on teams like the packers, patriots or saints allowing this to even happen, nevermind seemingly put up with it??

    Pathetic, 100% coaching issue.

  17. Andre's Johnson says: Dec 5, 2011 12:00 AM

    It’s almost like the Lions are coached by a hot-headed psychopath.

    Oh, wait.

  18. norcalmafia says: Dec 5, 2011 12:01 AM

    Well the only team that has a chance to beat the packers dou is the niners.Saints have a great offense but they cant outscore the packers Niners defense is the only Nfc team that has a chance

  19. bearsrulepackdrool says: Dec 5, 2011 12:02 AM

    I’ve called them the most undisciplined team in the league and people don’t want to listen. They pass me off as a bitter Bears fan. No its just a simple observation. They continue to lead the league in penalties and personal fouls. It goes unnoticed when they beat teams they’re supposed to beat and lose their cool in competitive football games.

    Good teams will just sit back and push their buttons and watch them shoot themselves in the foot.

    You need to start fining Schwartz. It’s not just one player its the entire team and he’s letting this go on.

  20. norcalmafia says: Dec 5, 2011 12:02 AM

    Shwartz is a Shwartz..

  21. mikekling says: Dec 5, 2011 12:02 AM

    This is frustrating to watch coming from a Lions fan. Schwartz needs to get his players under control.

  22. localbandhero says: Dec 5, 2011 12:02 AM

    These guys are so incredibly undisciplined. Schwartz clearly hasn’t instilled any sense of professionalism in his players, although this should come as no surprise given his lack of professionalism.

  23. malikpeterson says: Dec 5, 2011 12:03 AM

    Cue the “undisciplined = dirty” comments in 3…2…1…

    Let me help you out…
    the penalties are STUPID…and the coach needs to nip it in the bud…I suggest gassers…100 yards a pop…I had to do them in high school for a “fumble” didn’t let the ball touch the ground again the rest of the season. Pain teaches.

  24. cowboyfan45 says: Dec 5, 2011 12:04 AM

    Was Pettigrew ejected for pushing an official, dont remember hearing if he was, just a fifteen yard penalty but I think a fine and a game suspension is in ordr for that conduct.

    Detroit is talented but too undiciplined, going to be a force in the next few years when they becomes more diciplined and mature

  25. scytherius says: Dec 5, 2011 12:05 AM

    Wow. This team needs a real coach who can keep the kiddies under control. When you are no longer the biggest bully on the block, being a bully gets your ass kicked.

    This franchise, sadly, is doomed without some discipline. Ya look no further than the head coach.

  26. bearsrulepackdrool says: Dec 5, 2011 12:05 AM

    Not to brag but lost in all of this is the fact that the wildcard seeding is still the same. Hanie or not Bears still hold the #5 seed while the Lions are on the outside looking in.

  27. primetime0552 says: Dec 5, 2011 12:06 AM

    They need to cut Logan to make an example. They aren’t going to cut their starting TE or their rookie WR, but Logan should go. Let’s see if Shwartz was to show the team that this is getting rediculous. With Forte being out and Lions owning the tie breaker over the Cowboys(if Giants win the division) the Lions should still make the playoffs. Vikings, Raiders, Chargers should be wins. Packers could be sitting their starters last game of the year as well. Lions played good enough to won today with half their starting secondary out, but the stupid penalties killed them. Burlesons pass interferences made me laugh. He didn’t make a huge push on any of them, and receivers do that in every play. I don’t think any of those Pass interferences effected the game though. They picked up first downs on all the series I believe.

  28. suhsquad says: Dec 5, 2011 12:08 AM

    Mental mistakes, every young Football team like the Lions go through these growing pains. We will finish 9-7 (miss the playoffs) but will come into next season with a year’s experience under our belt.

  29. tfbuckfutter says: Dec 5, 2011 12:09 AM

    Way to grow less and less likable by the week, Lions.

    You’d be surprised how much of a boost you can get from even casual fans rooting for you.

    But I guess you’d rather go in the opposite direction. Good luck with that.

    It’ll be interesting to see what a talented team like Detroit can do with a coach who isn’t such a turd.

  30. coolgato13 says: Dec 5, 2011 12:10 AM

    Lions STILL not ready for prime time!!!!!!!!!!!!

  31. Andre's Johnson says: Dec 5, 2011 12:11 AM

    Pettigrew stayed in the game, cowboy. He made a great catch a few minutes later.

  32. minnysoda says: Dec 5, 2011 12:12 AM

    buckeye044 says:
    Dec 4, 2011 11:52 PM
    Pretty obvious the officials were looking for things to call on the Lions. The 3 pass interference calls on 13 were questionable and aren’t called in any other game.
    Still, they lost their cool too often.

    Yea the Ref was looking right at Pettigrew when he shoved him what a bunch of hood scum bags
    No wonder decent people flee Detroit what a cesspool

  33. purplegreenandgold says: Dec 5, 2011 12:13 AM

    Niners have a decent defense but can’t outscore the packers. Saints have the only offense that can outscore the Packers

  34. broncrage says: Dec 5, 2011 12:14 AM

    Its official Detroit Lions are the Raiders of the NFC

  35. primetime0552 says: Dec 5, 2011 12:14 AM

    cowboyfan45 says:Dec 5, 2011 12:04 AM

    Was Pettigrew ejected for pushing an official, dont remember hearing if he was, just a fifteen yard penalty but I think a fine and a game suspension is in ordr for that conduct.

    Detroit is talented but too undiciplined, going to be a force in the next few years when they becomes more diciplined and mature

    ============================

    He didn’t deserve to be ejected or suspended. It was hardly a push. He put his hand on the official, which you can’t do. If Pettigrew(who is a beast) pushed a 60 year old official, the official wouldn’t have been standing to throw the flag. Push is being used in such a broad term in this article. If you were watching the game you would know it wasn’t really a push….

  36. 6250claimer says: Dec 5, 2011 12:16 AM

    Fire Schwartz and bring in Cowher. Can you imagine him with this roster? He’d be a HUGE upgrade over goofball Schwartz.

  37. minnysoda says: Dec 5, 2011 12:17 AM

    bearsrulepackdrool

    Nice name How in Hell can you lose to the Chiefs LOL
    PackersChampsBearmenstrualcramps

  38. motownlion says: Dec 5, 2011 12:18 AM

    I’ve been a Lions fan for over 30 years. This team has incredible talent. But they can’t win when they’re getting flagged after the whistle.

    I’ve watched an 0-16 team take penalties for bonehead plays, but this squad takes the cake.

    STOP THE GHETTO SQUAD MENTALITY! THE WORLD OWES YOU NOTHING! PLAY LIKE A MAN AND YOU’LL GET TREATED LIKE A MAN!

    I like Schwartz but I’ll tell you this, if he can’t get the kids under control, it’s time for him to go. There’s no room in the NFL for a goon squad.

  39. stevenfbrackett says: Dec 5, 2011 12:22 AM

    Contrast the Lions with the Bears. When one of their guys missed a play – not a penalty – just a miss, he immediately punished himself with 10 quick pushups.

    Lions celebrate their boneheadedness.

  40. beauregard says: Dec 5, 2011 12:24 AM

    Is that your Coach, seriously?

    Respectfully,
    Denver Broncos
    6-1 last 7 games
    Tied for 1st place

  41. staffordsyear says: Dec 5, 2011 12:29 AM

    Penaltys,is why we lost.still makin the playoffs.

  42. mrbig077 says: Dec 5, 2011 12:31 AM

    “Once again, the Lions are 2-5 in their last 7 games and the Broncos (that’s your quarterback – seriously?) are 6-1. Maybe it’s best to focus on playing to win, not running your yap…”

    For the record Broncobillie….Lions since week 4 have played Dallas, Bears, SF, Atlanta, Denver (W), Bears, Carolina, Pack, Saints(4-5)….Tebows has gone thru the buzzsaw of Detroit, Oak, KC, Jets, Chargers and Minn.

    Lions are way too undisciplined…but a tough schedule has also led to the losing.

  43. iamthorny says: Dec 5, 2011 12:33 AM

    The NFL needs to suspend Jim Schwartz…the last team of goons I’ve seen like this were coached by Paul Newman.

  44. metalhead65 says: Dec 5, 2011 12:43 AM

    I love it! the lions answer to being accused of being a dirty team is to commit over a 100 yards in penalties? and to top it off have one of your guys shove an ref? you guys are rea bunch of tough guys alright,stupid but tough. enjoy watching the playoffs on tv again.

  45. ramal1dw says: Dec 5, 2011 12:45 AM

    The fact of the matter is that this team needs to grow up. Schwartz can’t continue to be the players friend when they’re just ignoring what he’s teaching and doing what they want to regardless. Logan throws the ball at a player after the play? Suspend him a game. Pettigrew pushes a ref? Suspend a game. Dock his paycheck. (Though I’m sure the league will take care of that one.)

    It’s just getting to be sick having to see this team fall from 5-0 and someone we could be proud of to wondering whether they’ll even finish above .500. We’ve traded one kind of laughingstock for another. When will we just put a good team together?

    Also, I do feel bad for the vets. People like Raiola have been through the worst of this and have worked too hard to see these kids screw it up for everyone. They need to step up and take control of this team.

  46. ryan6 says: Dec 5, 2011 12:49 AM

    I can’t wait til the Lions win a playoff game this year and piss all you haters off!

    GO LIONS

  47. cowhawkfan says: Dec 5, 2011 1:04 AM

    Pushing an official should NEVER be allowed to happen for ANY reason and should result in an automatic season long suspension. I promise you it won’t happen very often, if at all, after the first such penalty.

  48. jacktorrancegb says: Dec 5, 2011 1:06 AM

    Schwartz needs to start holding these guys accountable. He’s acting like an enabler.

  49. broncobillie says: Dec 5, 2011 1:11 AM

    Saw the Football Life piece on Al Davis, where they said Rule #1 for the Raiders is “Cheating is encouraged.” Rule #2 is “See Rule #1.”

    Seems like Schwartz is trying to emulate the Raiders. It will be interesting to see how the Ford family are going to like that, especially as they no longer are just winning, baby…

  50. ahs2 says: Dec 5, 2011 1:26 AM

    They are a *very* young team with as much talent as anyone; they’ll get it but it looks like it won’t be in time to get in the playoffs. I figured inconsistency would be the main hurdle for this team to overcome in 2011, not basic discipline…no excuse for this crap!

  51. ahs2 says: Dec 5, 2011 1:31 AM

    bh83 says:
    Dec 5, 2011 12:00 AM
    After each on of their bonehead penalties I watched the penalized player walk to the sideline. When he arrived he was greated two
    ways; pats in the head by teammates and “coach” shwartz speaking to
    them. There seemed to be no anger, no outrage no anything. Can you imagine coaching staffs on teams like the packers, patriots or saints allowing this to even happen, nevermind seemingly put up with it??
    ———————————————————-

    You didn’t see Schwartz go on the field yelling at Logan or the offending players benched or teammates (e.g. Raiola) yelling at them?!?! Look harder fellah, there was plenty of yelling going on…

  52. dubblelznhell says: Dec 5, 2011 1:36 AM

    Irak76,

    I suspect you are right. Once the Lions saw Schwartz lose it on Harbaugh, that’s when the Lions started to lose it themselves. True example of a team reflecting it’s coach.

  53. frank booth says: Dec 5, 2011 1:39 AM

    It was funny listening to Collinsworth say how Schwartz needs to rein these guys in, when he’s the guy who created this whole atmosphere within the team.

    May the Schwartz be with them.

  54. benwantsababyruth says: Dec 5, 2011 1:46 AM

    @ MikeKling
    How’s Schwartz supposed to get his players under control when he can’t get himself under control?

  55. oo9er says: Dec 5, 2011 1:46 AM

    This is not a good way to describe this situation with Jim schwarz and the lions.

    It’s not the dogs fault, it’s the owner.

    Jim Schwarz is a horrible coach! his style won’t last, especially after making an ass out of himself by throwing his players under the bus and not his crybaby tantrum at Jim Harbaugh.

    It’s over Detroit and Megatron is leaving watch. Another loosing season in one of the most miserable cities. The odds are against you, cowboys or or raiders will pay him the money he deserves. Don’t quote me on the raider part tho.

  56. squared80 says: Dec 5, 2011 2:10 AM

    This is a complete reflection of Jim Schwartz. Guy is a short-fused a**hole… no other way to put it. And his attitude problem has obvisouly carried over to his players. Shame, really. I want to like Suh.

  57. jimmylions says: Dec 5, 2011 2:15 AM

    What happened tonight was a bunch of kids, many of whom are rookies or might as well be because they were out with injuries so much, let themselves get baited/played by veterans on the Saints.

    It’s a very young team. Not enough old vets who know how to get back at the other team when the officials aren’t looking.

    In addition to the penalties, not having our two best DBs really hurt. There were some plays in the defensive backfield that were downright embarrassing.

    Seems like Kevin Smith is too fragile to be in the NFL.

    Throughout the games I watched today, I saw a lot of plays where “stars” got away with stuff and non-stars got called for the exact same thing. The officiating this year has kind of sucked in general. It’s like they’re getting paid by the flag. But, that’s all part of the NFL’s effort to sissify the game.

    And like the kid who gets in trouble more often in class, the refs definitely look to throw more flags at the Lions. They have to settle down a lot more to get the refs to cool it.

    Saints got called for a roughness penalty this evening that never would have been called 20 years ago. It’s ridiculous for every team really.

    As for “bearsrulepackdrool,” the reason everyone calls you a whiny Bears fan is because you are! Get over it!

  58. jimmylions says: Dec 5, 2011 2:19 AM

    @cowboyfan45: nope Pettigrew wasn’t ejected, which was a shock.

    No one will talk about how the Saints instigated the penalties tonight – but the Lions players should have known better than to take the bait. I’m hoping this season is a learning experience for the youngins.

    Also – Kevin Smith’s ankle seemed to go out all by itself, which is a shame because he’s good when he’s healthy (but he’s never healthy).

  59. flickaboogie says: Dec 5, 2011 2:40 AM

    I don’t like either team but there should have been a lot more penalties called on the Saints for taunting and late hits.

  60. jplv1 says: Dec 5, 2011 3:10 AM

    the Lions are playing National Football League Football in an era of National F_g League. Look up the number of penalties called on the Lions compared to their opponents. What a joke! Wimp teams cant hang with the Lions so they have to penalize us far more than the “competition”.

  61. thesloppy says: Dec 5, 2011 3:37 AM

    bh83 says:
    Dec 5, 2011 12:00 AM
    After each on of their bonehead penalties I watched the penalized player walk to the sideline. When he arrived he was greated two
    ways; pats in the head by teammates and “coach” shwartz speaking to
    them. There seemed to be no anger, no outrage no anything. Can you imagine coaching staffs on teams like the packers, patriots or saints allowing this to even happen, nevermind seemingly put up with it??

    Pathetic, 100% coaching issue.

    ——

    I have no desire to defend the crapass performance by the Lions tonight, and your primary point certainly stands….but that said, there was at least two or three occasions after those penalties when the coaches were shown ragging on the players, and the teammates were clearly shown ragging on the players, to the point where they replayed it in slow-motion three times over, from multiple angles, with Collinsworth giving play-by-play voice over and particularly mentioning that the captains of the team were pulling aside the offenders, and then replaying it after commercial, just to make sure you didn’t miss it. Seriously, you would have had to have been blind AND deaf to have missed it, and it happened more than once.

  62. bischof21 says: Dec 5, 2011 3:42 AM

    broncobillie says: Dec 4, 2011 11:57 PM

    Once again, the Lions are 2-5 in their last 7 games and the Broncos (that’s your quarterback – seriously?) are 6-1. Maybe it’s best to focus on playing to win, not running your yap…

    ————————————————

    Lol, who was that 1 loss to?

    I mean come on really?

    45-10

    I have nothing against Denver but you come in here spewing this. I’d say the Lions were playing to win when they went into Mile High and dismembered the Broncos.

  63. txnative61 says: Dec 5, 2011 3:44 AM

    It started in preseason with Suh getting tagged for dirty play in completely meaningless games. The only real benefit would have been to injure the player, and there is a league wide crackdown on dangerous hits. That type of play is infectious, and officials naturally scrutinize those teams more closely. Anyone would say the interference calls were marginal, at best, and a lot of the unsportsmanlike conduct were just pushing and aggressive behavior. The Officials were obviously trying to keep a lid on the Lions, and not let the game turn into a free for all. The one late hit on Stafford was called, and Payton was shown yelling at the offender, to NO’s credit. Not sure who’s to blame in Detroit but suspect it will get worse before it gets better. Too bad since they seem to have some talent finally.

  64. nflnfl13 says: Dec 5, 2011 4:49 AM

    I didn’t know that you could put your hands on any ref and not be ejected. If that is the case they need to change the rule asap. That could get real ugly for any ref quickly.

  65. righton989 says: Dec 5, 2011 6:23 AM

    When Ndamnpsycho Sueh returns, he will bring the intensity back to the DL by driving his car over anyone who is in his way or dares to call a penalty on him. Rev it up Sueh!

  66. mnfaninaz says: Dec 5, 2011 6:37 AM

    I wouldn’t be shocked if both the Bears and Lions missed the playoffs…

    Detroit is a joke. Bunch of pseudo tough guys who’ve never done anything to hang their hat on.

    Remember, this is a Lions team that was getting BLOWN OUT by a McNabb led Vikings team… that’s not good.

    They haven’t beaten one good team… essentially the Lons are who we think they are, and the rest of the NFL isn’t going to let them off the hook.

  67. TheDPR says: Dec 5, 2011 6:58 AM

    I’ve seen teams lose control and have dumb penalties escalate throughout a game. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team roll without any mental discipline from whistle to whistle like the Loins. Horrible coaching job to not both have them prepared and to not nip that crap in the bud during the game.

    Awful game by the Lions.

  68. charmcity207 says: Dec 5, 2011 7:06 AM

    Personal foul penalties are a direct reflection of the coach. He is a tool. Lions suck.

  69. packattack1967 says: Dec 5, 2011 7:06 AM

    Top down. Period. Jim Schwartz is not a head coach.

  70. alewatcher says: Dec 5, 2011 7:08 AM

    Glad to see Suh’s team mates step in to fill his shoes.

    This comes down to coaching. Someone needs to explain to Schwartz the difference between tough football and just being punks.

    As far as shoving an official, that should have been an automatic ejection. Hopefully there is a suspension and large fine on the way.

  71. 3ghostninja says: Dec 5, 2011 7:12 AM

    I’ve always thought the ball carrier shouldn’t even be allowed to put a hand on the defender’s facemask in the first place. It’s too easy for that to get confused. If the defender is dirty, he’ll just act like you’ve grabbed it.

  72. 6ball says: Dec 5, 2011 7:25 AM

    .

    Detroit is to the NFC as San Diego is to the AFC.

    They’ll find a way …..to lose

    .

  73. mwojo586 says: Dec 5, 2011 7:39 AM

    As a lions fan, I would rather have a team that has no chance like the 0-16 club rather than have an undisciplined bunch of punks who are capable of winning any game but blow them on a regular basis to due mental errors. I never had this game on the schedule as a win, but they played well enough to have a shot but once again killed themselves. Time to hold this coaching staff accountable if players do not sit next week.

  74. jimmysee says: Dec 5, 2011 7:43 AM

    The Lions have long term potential for the first time in decades.

    The big jobs this offseason are to draft well and straighten out or get rid of the screw-ups.

  75. cornernum23 says: Dec 5, 2011 7:58 AM

    I wish the Lions would do better just so some of the idiots that comment on this site would finally go and crawl under a rock of something.

  76. billh1947 says: Dec 5, 2011 8:05 AM

    What is so shocking seeing the Lions players commit stupid penalties,they are young and learning and when they see their head coach and boss Jim Shwartz behave like a stupid child for no reason in going after Harbough over a handshake, a handshake he deemed to be too hard after a game they lost,what was the lesson Shwartz was teaching his players with that bright move,seems they have learned to be stupid tough,just like their coach and no relief in sight until GM Mayhew get the guts to come forward and lay the law down on his coach and team. even Matt Millen would have layed down some team law with this bunch of selfish mental giants.

  77. vickspuppy says: Dec 5, 2011 8:59 AM

    You can’t spell D-E-T-R-O-I-T without D-I-R-T.

  78. creeper00 says: Dec 5, 2011 9:03 AM

    The Lions are a bunch of undisciplined juveniles. On the up side, their entertainment value is top tier.

  79. rmc1995 says: Dec 5, 2011 9:06 AM

    The lions get called for personal fouls that are normally between the whistles. Plenty have been like some of the hits to Stafford that went uncalled last night. It difficult to play against a perception. I dont remember seeing Titus Young play a snap after the penalty which is a big deal for rookie contracts who may have a snaps played stipulation. So saying Schwartz is soft is being lazy and weak minded. He sat the right tackle earlier in the season for the same reason. Logan flips the ball and gets called for taunting. A saints DB swings at Pettigrew’s feet and connects in celebration after a tackle and gets no flag. Two other similar actsor one on Schefflerthe and onthe CJ thatthe also went unflagged. he

  80. suhisabeast90 says: Dec 5, 2011 9:07 AM

    bearsrulepackdrool says:Dec 5, 2011 12:02 AM

    “”I’ve called them the most undisciplined team in the league and people don’t want to listen. They pass me off as a bitter Bears fan. No its just a simple observation. They continue to lead the league in penalties and personal fouls. It goes unnoticed when they beat teams they’re supposed to beat and lose their cool in competitive football games.””

    ———————————————————-
    Oakland is still the most penalized team in the League. I am a big Lions fan, but no matter what our record is, if the continue to act lie a bunch of punks they will never go far. As Lions fans we have waiting a long time for so wins. I guess it comes at a cost in integraty. I love rough and tough, “smash mouth” football. But this team is just playing like a bunch of sore losers…….a darn shame grown men acting like little girls!!!!!

  81. fatdaddy73 says: Dec 5, 2011 9:18 AM

    Pettigrew did not push or shove the official, that’s why he wasn’t ejected. If any of you geniuses watched the game you would have seen that. 3 OPI penalties on Nate??? Really??? Coulston and Meachem both did much more with their hands many times and received wait… ZERO penalties. The personal fouls are idiotic and need to stop, that is the undisciplined part. But the refs need to be IMPARTIAL and officiate the game with no preconceptions, what you did last week should have no influence on calls made this week. Obviously this is not happening.

  82. waynefontes says: Dec 5, 2011 9:19 AM

    Looks like they shouldn’t have mocked Tebow.

  83. favreisthebest4 says: Dec 5, 2011 9:49 AM

    When you have a huge amount of penalties per game, which causes a loss of yards on good drives, you won’t win. Hell, I’m a Vikings fan from Wisconsin, and I was excited to see how well the Lions played there first 5 weeks. I agree with the comment that the teams discipline went away when Schwartz got into it with Harbaugh. Suh has quite a few endorsements from large companies that in my opinion are at stake (though not as bad as Tiger’s). If you don’t have a disciplined coach, you don’t have a disciplined team.

    Look at the Packers, for example. McCarthy is an arrogant prick, but because of his attitude his team is undefeated. A-Rod’s out there being a humble player and is at the top of his game. More teams could learn from coaches like McCarthy and Bellicheck.

    And how about that Tebow?

  84. fivestarwrestling says: Dec 5, 2011 9:50 AM

    The Lions penalties were boneheaded, but not dirty. Yes, the penalties have killed them in some of their losses. But people are acting like the world is collapsing. This is an inexperienced team that will eventually grow. Maybe not this year, but going forward. People think that this should be a top team in the league, one year after starting last season with a 2-10 record. Overall, they’ve grown quite fast, and still have a lot of growing to do. Detroit may have more talent than their record, but with a tough schedule and inexperience, they’re still where they should be as an organization that is coming off the worst 10 years in the history of sports.

  85. calamnet says: Dec 5, 2011 10:20 AM

    For those of you complaining about the OPIs against Burleson. He’s a veteran, and should’ve probably, oh I don’t know, squashed his technique down field after the first one got called, and even worse AFTER THE SECOND ONE. He killed 3 drives yesterday and he’s killed many more this season. I just don’t get how he’s one of our starters still.

    I truly believe he is the weakest link on our offense, and that’s saying a lot considering our turntable at RB.

  86. packergalmke says: Dec 5, 2011 10:21 AM

    Can you put the entire Lion’s team on the PFT “Turd Watch?”

  87. bischof21 says: Dec 5, 2011 12:55 PM

    People calling for Nates head, have you actually watched football before? What he was doing happens on 3/4 of passing plays. Watch any team they all have wrs doing it. Calvin has done it and gotten away with it plenty. The good teams do it as well. Watch the Packers and see what their wrs do. Watch the Saints as well. The issue is Detroit has painted a zebra target on their back with their stupidity and they will continue to get killed by officiating until they clean up their act.

  88. goawayeverybody says: Dec 5, 2011 2:29 PM

    It’s tempting to blame the officials, but if anything, the officals were very light on the flag throwing. Over and over again I watched the Lions’ offensive line simply tackle and or back-shove Saints’ pass rushers as they tried to reach Matt Stafford.

    And the Lions were only called for holding once the entire game.

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