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Caldwell, Archie clam up on Peyton

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The situation in Indy seems to be getting a little tense right now between the Colts and quarterback Peyton Manning.  How tense?  Consider coach Jim Caldwell’s response to a fairly simple question regarding Manning’s status.

Asked whether Caldwell would like to see Manning practice this season, Caldwell didn’t say “yes” or “no” or even “maybe so.”

Said Caldwell:  “I have no [opinion].”

Really?

“Here’s the thing, I think I’ve probably made it fairly clear, there has been no timetable set on him,” Caldwell added, via comments circulated by the team.  “There’s never been a timetable set on him from a coaching standpoint or from a personnel standpoint.  The medical people, the doctors and those that performed the surgery, handle all of that, and they have him on a prescribed sort of a regimen.  All they’ve done as of late is say, ‘Hey, things look better, he’s felt really good about it and we’re all encouraged.’  They’ve just increased his rehab.  Plain and simple.  There has been nothing else added on to it, there is no timing of deadlines, no crucial points in time or anything of that nature.  At some point in time they’ll let us know, but who knows when that’s going to be.  That could be this season, it could be after the season, but I don’t know.  No one does.  So they’ll monitor him and then make that decision at some point.  Whenever they make it I’ll adjust accordingly.”

It’s a fair answer, but it creates the impression of a coach who is tiptoeing on eggshells.  Given the behind-the-scenes tug-o-war that apparently is playing out between Manning and Vice Chairman Bill Polian, Caldwell is doing the smart thing by keeping his head low and by saying nothing that could create an unwanted spark in the vicinity of the powder keg.

Meanwhile, Archie Manning tried to downplay during an appearance on The Dan Patrick Show a comment from Tuesday that Peyton and Andrew Luck won’t want to be teammates.  Manning said that Andrew Luck “doesn’t look like the type of quarterback to me who’s going to sit,” and that Archie and Peyton don’t talk about Peyton’s future.

Agreed on the first point.  Baloney on the second.

Archie knows what Peyton wants.  If Peyton is telling Archie that Peyton’s current rehab efforts amount to “sissy work,” Peyton surely is telling Archie what Peyton wants to do when Peyton is cleared to do more manly things.

Generally, Archie sounded like a guy who had been told by Peyton to zip it, at least for now.  Still, given that Archie and Oliver Luck talked by phone the night before Archie expressed doubt that their two sons want to be on the same team, a plan surely exists.  While it all may be contingent on Peyton being healthy enough to play, there’s a plan.  And Archie gave us all a sneak peek of it on Tuesday.

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54 Responses to “Caldwell, Archie clam up on Peyton”
  1. tos420 says: Dec 7, 2011 5:49 PM

    Just keep quiet Archie, so don’t sound even more like an idiot.

  2. fittytuckin says: Dec 7, 2011 5:52 PM

    Why don’t they trade manning for another first rounder, then take Luck and WR Justin Blackmon. Because by all media accounts Luck is a future hall of famer.

  3. childressrulz says: Dec 7, 2011 5:53 PM

    God will Peyton just go away already!

  4. lionsfanatic84 says: Dec 7, 2011 5:54 PM

    This is just spreading gossip right now, we should focus on real football right now, not arrests, suspensions possible suspensions , or gossip especially since we are going into the playoff run. And yes unfortunately tebow is included in things going On right now

  5. jpietrefesa says: Dec 7, 2011 5:56 PM

    Please go away Archie, your son isn’t 14 anymore.

  6. mjbulls45 says: Dec 7, 2011 5:56 PM

    how unloyal can a franchise be to 1 player that IS the franchise?

    Even if Luck is amazing,

    I would rather LOSE with Peyton, thats right,

    its a respect, loyalty , real type of thing…

    in all honesty… they should trade the #1 pick for MORE PIECES around Manning,

    reggie wayne, garcon, clark etc… Manning makes these people

    get Manning some legit weapons and watch how good they can be,

    I always felt like Manning was working with grade B talent

    and then when Tom Brady got A talent in ’07, all they did is win 18 straight games.

    VERDICT – KEEP PEYTON AND BUILD FOR A FEW MORE RUNS

  7. jimmysimpson55 says: Dec 7, 2011 5:56 PM

    Chiefs can use five years of Payton Manning.

  8. turtlehut says: Dec 7, 2011 5:57 PM

    Why would Jim Caldwell care what Bill Polian and the Manning clan thinks about his statements since he is as good as gone after New Year’s Day unless he thinks it might hurt him when he interviews for his next job.

  9. seidinho says: Dec 7, 2011 5:57 PM

    Caldwell is gonna be gone at the end of the year anyhow. So why bother?

  10. p31squared says: Dec 7, 2011 5:59 PM

    Caldwell is asked the same question day after day and like everyone else, he’s tired of it. It’s unfair to say he’s tiptoeing around an answer. His answer is accurate. It’s out of his hands when Peyton plays until he is cleared to play. He hasn’t even been cleared to practice yet; just to run and do a little more rehab work. I know the media (of which I am a member) has to ask these questions, but it’s the way the response is often spinned that bothers me. Give the Manning/Luck talk a rest already. Nothing is happening on that front until March — at the earliest. Focus on the players and teams in contention now and focus on the draft/offseason moves at the appropriate time. Trying to always create drama…

  11. packerman1968 says: Dec 7, 2011 6:00 PM

    I am so tired of hearing from Archie Manning. He was a good qb, who could never carry his team to a higher level.

    Now he wants to re live his so-so career thru his two kids.

    Archie please shut the “F” up, your ramblings are getting as bad a Tony Dungy.

  12. castleofcheese says: Dec 7, 2011 6:01 PM

    I don’t see anything wrong with Caldwell’s response. That is exactly what I would expect from a coach in his position.

    Archie’s, on the other hand, is a little more telling. It’ll be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

  13. stockdogdca says: Dec 7, 2011 6:03 PM

    Draft Luck then trade him the same day just like San Diego & New York did with baby Manning except for additional picks.

  14. jackfnburton says: Dec 7, 2011 6:07 PM

    Well when you’re asked the same stupid questions 100 times a day for 100 days, eventually your answers are going to start getting a little chippy.

    Most coaches seem to be able to handle it. Maybe the press needs to just deal, as well.

  15. aboveaveragejoe11 says: Dec 7, 2011 6:08 PM

    What Caldwell meant to say is “I don’t have an opinion and soon I won’t have this job, so what do I care. Next question.”

  16. lionboy23 says: Dec 7, 2011 6:12 PM

    This reminds me a bit of Barry Sanders’ dad.

    While Barry never had a serious injury, it seemed like Barry’s father was always talking to the media on behalf of Barry.

    It got tiresome. If Archie Manning continues to talk to the media about Peyton, it will get tiresome also.

  17. brettfavresmidget says: Dec 7, 2011 6:12 PM

    The Mannings are so last year. I wanna hear more about the Harbaughs…

    …or Tim Tebow.

  18. tommynatorii says: Dec 7, 2011 6:13 PM

    I understand your point Colt fan. I hated it when the Dolphins made Marino leave.

  19. badtimeoutcaldwell says: Dec 7, 2011 6:13 PM

    Here’s a crazy thought…. Maybe they have an idea of what may happen or what they want to happen and they just dont want the whole world to know!

    You guys act as if you deserve to know about their “private” conversations… Well you dont… Thats why they are private…

  20. icyhuck says: Dec 7, 2011 6:22 PM

    peyton has two more mvp seasons ahead ,they should draft luck and cut manning and he will go to Denver with elway

  21. joelvis72 says: Dec 7, 2011 6:25 PM

    “Whenever they make that decision, I’ll adjust accordingly. If I’m still employed by them.”

  22. profootballwalk says: Dec 7, 2011 6:26 PM

    “I always felt like Manning was working with grade B talent

    and then when Tom Brady got A talent in ’07, all they did is win 18 straight game”
    **********************************

    Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Marcus Pollard, Edgerrin James, you suck!

    How soon Colts fans forget.

  23. tmungo says: Dec 7, 2011 6:27 PM

    well put mj….I’m tired of ALL this talk of trading Manning….

  24. blue18hutthutt says: Dec 7, 2011 6:29 PM

    childressrulz says:
    Dec 7, 2011 5:53 PM
    God will Peyton just go away already!

    ————————

    I’m sure people are wishing the same about you.

  25. blackqbwhiterb says: Dec 7, 2011 6:33 PM

    Sorry, there can be no loyalty here. Fans want to be loyal with the owner’s $$$$….And Archie, enough already- how does this guy have so much influence??

  26. mmcdan133 says: Dec 7, 2011 6:34 PM

    Let’s face it, Peyton has 3 or 4 years left, and they’re sitting on Andrew Luck. They have to take the kid and deal Peyton. It’s the only intelligent play. You can’t risk Luck being an elite player somewhere else and having to watch the final 10 years of his career while you are at ground zero at the position.

    Now, the million dollar question. Where does he go? It has to be somewhere that has weapons and a good young base on both sides who just needs a QB to bring it all together. Honestly, Kansas City comes to mind. If I were another team, and I see Manning, Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Steve Breaston, Jonathan Baldwin, and Tony Moeaki coming at me, I’m concerned.

    Tennessee, Seattle, Washington, San Francisco, and Arizona come to mind as well. It’s going to take at least 2 1st rounders and probably a 3rd to get him, but if you have a lot of the other pieces already there, that’s a small price to pay for a 3 year super bowl window.

  27. golonger says: Dec 7, 2011 6:38 PM

    mjbulls45 = idiot

    there is no loyalty in sports….you get paid until you cannot play

    good thing u arent running the Colts

    It seems that many of his receivers are doing fine without him….it is NOT all Manning…sorry

    Manning didnt make these players, they made him…and Manning doesnt play defense

    Colts would be better off moving on…dump Manning to some desperate team…..move on with Luck!

  28. blackqbwhiterb says: Dec 7, 2011 6:41 PM

    Seems to me if the Colts pay Manning and bank on him being their starter another 2-4 years, they’re taking a big roll of the dice with a big pile of money. Smart thing to do is tell him to retire or be cut. They can’t trade him without paying the huge bonus first, so forget trade value and draft Luck and move forward….unless Manning is willing to renegotiate his deal.

  29. riverhorsey says: Dec 7, 2011 6:51 PM

    Peyton is gone before the draft.

  30. geniusesq says: Dec 7, 2011 6:55 PM

    The Mannings are power brokers, and Archie is the Dr. Claw behind it all. I seem to recall a certain Dad forcing San Diego’s hand on Draft Day.

    I doubt Caldwell has ANY say whatsoever in just about anything. And, after going OH-Fer, there’s not much argument that he should have any say.

  31. rubbernilly says: Dec 7, 2011 7:09 PM

    Given the behind-the-scenes tug-o-war that apparently is playing out between Manning and Vice Chairman Bill Polian

    Or, “Given the behind-the-scenes tug-o-war that the media drums up between Manning and Vice Chairman Bill Polian…”

    Colts should take the proper lesson from this year: yes, life is bad without Peyton, but (1) that tells you how good the guy you’ve got now (Manning) is, and (2) it shows you, in stark detail, how badly the rest of the team needs to be upgraded around him.

    Take those two things together, and sugar and salt, and it sounds to me like a recipe for trading back in the draft to get multiple pieces to put around Manning… or at least trading back to get veteran free agents to put around him.

    Luck might be good. He might be very good. But he won’t be Manning-covering-up-for-the-rest-of-the-holes-in-the-Colts-good at least for a while… probably not until the franchise is forced to add pieces around him, too.

    There are always good QBs in the pipe. Trade back, build around Manning, and get a QB in a year or two.

  32. earthtopft says: Dec 7, 2011 7:30 PM

    Well at least Peyton will be able to pay his parents rent for that room in the basement of the Manning house now.

  33. sf69ers says: Dec 7, 2011 7:46 PM

    There is no reason to pass on Luck when your QB is 38 years old. Manning is a first ballot Hall Of Fame QB. The Manning Era is coming to a close. Just look at Green Bay and how much they miss Farve. The Colts have a chance to be great another decade with Luck. The 49ERS brought in Steve Young to push Montana out the door. True great franchise knows when to move on.

  34. blackdb says: Dec 7, 2011 7:58 PM

    Obviously Bill Polian has not told Coach Jim what his opinion is. We all no the puppet can’t answer questions on his on.

  35. badtimeoutcaldwell says: Dec 7, 2011 7:59 PM

    ProFootballWalk says:

    Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Marcus Pollard, Edgerrin James, you suck!

    How soon Colts fans forget.

    ——————————–
    Marcus Pollard scored 10 TD’s in one season w/ Manning… after he left, you never heard his name mentioned again.

    Many of Manning’s “Supporting Stars” are still on this team (Wayne, Mathis, Freeny, Clark, Garcon, and Collie)…

    How “valuable” is that talent when they can’t get off the field on defense, and they can’t score TD’s if their lives depended on it?

  36. aboveaveragejoe11 says: Dec 7, 2011 8:18 PM

    Even Marcus Pollard is laughing at being included in a list of great Colts players. Marcus Pollard??? LOL

  37. touchdownroddywhite says: Dec 7, 2011 8:38 PM

    @badtimeoutcaldwell –

    Freeny and Mathis are amazing players. Clark would be a top end tight end anywhere and so would Wayne. Garcon and Collie are nothings. Garcon is lightning quick but couldn’t catch a cold so I agree about him especially.

    It’s not that the team lacks talent at all. They lack any sort of versatility. They hadn’t had a fullback for years until part of the way through this season.

    The offense is incredible because Peyton is capable of operating an uber complex scheme. The defense is amazing in the right situation, which is having the opponent have to throw 42 times a game if they even want to have a chance.

    That’s why Belichick said what he did the other day. The Patriots, Packers, Texans, etc are built to withstand injuries to almost anybody but the Colt’s lost one man and all of the sudden they don’t know which way is up.

  38. golonger says: Dec 7, 2011 8:42 PM

    Gee..yes….Colts have no talent on offense at all……LOL

    I’ll bet Orlofsky would beg to differ.

    He goes 31 of 37 for almost 400 yards. I would say that negates the theory of Manning being valuable! LOL

  39. gb4mn0 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:19 PM

    Who’s to say that the Colts don’t take RGIII from Baylor? He throws as well and runs better than Luck.

  40. badtimeoutcaldwell says: Dec 7, 2011 9:25 PM

    golonger says:
    Dec 7, 2011 8:42 PM
    Gee..yes….Colts have no talent on offense at all……LOL

    I’ll bet Orlofsky would beg to differ.

    He goes 31 of 37 for almost 400 yards. I would say that negates the theory of Manning being valuable! LOL

    —————————-

    Garbage time yards and TD’s now means they are great? Where were they for the other 56 minutes when the game was actually in question??

    Or for that matter, where have they been for the past 11 games before that??

  41. ernst90 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:34 PM

    Peyton should win the MVP this year because he made his team seriously look how horrible they are without him and the best thing for the Colts to do is to draft Luck and let Luck sit behind Manning for 3 or 4 years and learn from one of the best… I mean seriously it worked great for the Packers when Favre started and Rodgers rode the bench

  42. mcjon22 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:34 PM

    Is this really a hard decision? Take a healthy Manning for 4-5 more years and trade the top pick for possible 3 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks, as the suggested going rate for the pick by a few former GM’s. Or, release the face of your franchise and take a prospect that may or may not work out, and receive no extra picks to fill the other teams glaring holes. Am I missing something here?

  43. Henry says: Dec 7, 2011 10:39 PM

    “God will Peyton just go away already!”

    Yes, please do! And take Brent Farve with you!

  44. jjbadd says: Dec 7, 2011 10:45 PM

    Sometimes it is better to remain silent & be thought a fool, than to speak & remove all doubt…

  45. truthserum4u says: Dec 7, 2011 10:49 PM

    When Caldwell was asked if he would LIKE to see Manning practice this season, shouldn’t the answer have been “Yes! Because that means he is healing”?

    So the guy who seems to always be abreast of what his sons are feeling and want, is suddenly not privy to Peyton’s wishes? Yeah, right!

    I doubt Peyton told Archie to zip it! No need; the shot had already effectively been sent across the bow. Talk to Oliver Luck, make statement about the two QBs not being happy about playing together…Phase one had been completed.

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  46. jetssuckrex says: Dec 7, 2011 10:53 PM

    Luck= Leaf

  47. truthserum4u says: Dec 7, 2011 11:33 PM

    Funny how the Colts were at one point deemed the envy of the basement dwelling teams, but are now creeping towards a non-enviable situation.

    Trading Manning comes with a ton of thorns. First the Colts have a huge bonus to pay him before they can even entertain offers. Manning’s incentive to renegotiate the bonus is between little to none. And the truth is the Colts aren’t going to get a blockbuster deal for him as some on here think. He is a 35 year old QB, coming off a serious neck injury, who is taking some time to heal and has a huge contract. A lot of risks involved.

    Trading the pick/Luck is slowly losing a little value as well. Archie’s comments are a contributing factor as well as a couple of college QBs closing the gap with Luck. Barkley & RGIII
    aren’t as far back as they use to be in scouting circles. Teams can give up less to get them and may be more inclined to do so.

    The chance to replace a franchise QB with possibly another is obviously good fortune. But if you can’t get extra picks he is then surrounded with players who have yet to win a game this season.

    (By the way, the Rodgers & Luck situations are totally different. Rodgers the 24th pick, wasn’t considered a sure-fire franchise QB nor pro-ready. Luck will be the 1st pick and is considered a franchis QB who is pro-ready.)

  48. j0esixpack says: Dec 7, 2011 11:52 PM

    I love to bash Peyton as much as the next guy but the fact is this isnt personal.

    Luck won’t sit out… He needs to play his way out of a new CBA limited rookie contract and even if the Colts choose him over Manning they’ll be in cap hell so Luck may push to be traded regardless.

  49. golonger says: Dec 8, 2011 1:18 AM

    “Garbage time yards and TD’s now means they are great? Where were they for the other 56 minutes when the game was actually in question??

    Or for that matter, where have they been for the past 11 games before that??”

    1) It wasn’t garbage time idiot……the Colts could have won that game
    2) The past 11 games they were playing for a semi-adequate college QB who had no business starting on ANY team or a wash-up retired QB
    3) The fact that Orlofsky walks into the Colts organization and performs the way he did shows the truth.
    4) LOL…I guess if Manning had been playing, it wouldn’t have been “garbage time” LOL
    5) Get a clue about football!

  50. golonger says: Dec 8, 2011 1:21 AM

    ..and…any of you “loyal” Colt fans that think there is ANY possibility Manning will ever step behind center in an NFL game need to pull their head out of the clouds and get a clue……..let me be clear…HE IS DONE…PERIOD!!!!!…..he knows it….and the Colts know it!

  51. golonger says: Dec 8, 2011 1:41 AM

    “Trading the pick/Luck is slowly losing a little value as well. Archie’s comments are a contributing factor as well as a couple of college QBs closing the gap with Luck. Barkley & RGIII
    aren’t as far back as they use to be in scouting circles. Teams can give up less to get them and may be more inclined to do so.”….

    ….this is one of the most ignorant comments i have ever read…..are all Colts fans this dumb???

  52. truthserum4u says: Dec 8, 2011 8:07 AM

    @ golonger

    First, not a Colts fan.

    Second, there are several prominent football writers who have expressed the same view on Archie’s comments.

    Third, I said a Luck trade has lost a “little” value due to the fact he isn’t rated as far ahead of Barkley & Griffen as he use to be. You clearly know nothing about college scouting or you would understand that this is true based on the play of the QBs rated behind him.

    It appears ignorance has gone long.

  53. krank00 says: Dec 8, 2011 8:42 AM

    I am a Texan fan and the first on my Christmas list is for the Colts to trade Payton. I bet if your a fan of any other team in the AFC South that has been eating Payton’s dust for over a decade your thinking the same thing.

    That guy Faulk was washed up and over rated too.

    Come on Polian 1 last gaff before they show you the door!

  54. golonger says: Dec 8, 2011 2:07 PM

    @truthserum4u = super moron.

    you are totally WRONG….Luck is STILL the #1 pick and has NOT fallen sorry……….you are a total tool!

    Also, what is important is how the TEAMS rate Luck..and you my friend have NO idea how they rate him…sorry!

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