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Colts can’t pay and trade Peyton

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It’s been established that the Colts owe Peyton Manning another $28 million in early 2012.  Last month, Peter King pointed out during Football Night In America that the money comes due before the start of the 2012 league year.

That’s significant because it means that the Colts can’t trade Manning to a new team before the payment comes due.

But that hasn’t completely put to rest speculation that the Colts will pay Peyton and then, once the league year begins, attempt to trade him.  Bob Kravitz’s latest item on the situation should completely put that speculation to rest.

Kravitz, who covers the Colts for the Indianapolis Star, points out that, if the Colts pay Peyton and then trade him, the Colts will absorb a 2012 salary cap charge of $38.8 million.  And if the Colts trade Peyton Manning in 2013, the cap charge would drop to only $28.8 million.

Absent a willingness by Peyton to move the due date of his payment, a trade becomes impossible.  Thus, if Peyton tells the Colts “my contract is my contract,” they’ll have to cut him, or they’ll have to keep him for at least two more seasons.

Although Peyton adroitly has avoided any discussion regarding the future, plans undoubtedly are being made.  There’s a good chance that the final plan already has been crafted, and that the only thing left to do is implement it.

If that’s the case, Archie Manning’s comments from Tuesday become even more significant.  Given that Archie caucused with Oliver Luck the night before Archie told FOX Sports Radio that he “doubts” Peyton and Andrew Luck want to be on the same team, it’s safe to assume that Oliver agrees with that sentiment.

Once the Colts clinch the first overall pick and once Andrew Luck declares his intention to enter the 2012 draft, look for Archie and Oliver to form a Legion of Doom-style tag team, with each former quarterback taking turns placing a little more pressure on Bill Polian and company.  At some point, Oliver could explain that Andrew respects the fact that the Colts have a quarterback, and that it would make more sense for the Colts to use the first overall pick to help their quarterback win more championships.

Before that happens, Archie will possibly have more to say.  He’s one of today’s guests on The Dan Patrick Show.  You can listen live right here.

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  1. chris6523 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:13 AM

    Common sense rules out the colts paying Manning 28 million and then trading him. Why would a team write a check to a guy and then decide to trade him. I’m not sure what they could get for Manning assuming he doesn’t play at all this year, but does manage to pass a physical. Could they get two first rounders? Would it make financial sense to spend 28 million dollars to acquire two first round draft picks? Not likely. And that’s assuming the Colts could get two first rounders for a 36 year old guy that hasn’t played in a year. I really have no idea what the colts could expect to get for the guy.

  2. nflofficeadmin says: Dec 7, 2011 9:14 AM

    If the players are expected to play-out their contracts, franchises should be expected to live up to their end of the agreement as well.

  3. vegaskid21 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:16 AM

    Did they catch Payton on the toilet in that pic?

  4. walker615 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:16 AM

    I know I’m in the minority, but if I’m the colts I privately would be strongly considering trading that pick and keeping manning. They would get a HAUL in return- and would still likely be picking in the top 5-10. So if they wanted to, they could still take a qb (Barkley, RG3) and have other premium picks left over. Is luck worth more than RG3 +2 new first rounders? I don’t think so.

    Or just use the haul to build for one last run with manning. Trade it.

  5. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Dec 7, 2011 9:17 AM

    “Once the Colts clinch the first overall pick and once Andrew Luck declares his intention to enter the 2012 draft, look for Archie and Oliver to form a Legion of Doom-style tag team, with each former quarterback taking turns placing a little more pressure on Bill Polian and company. ”
    ——————————————————

    There is nothing more annoying than two never-weres thinking they should have any input into the son’s future. They are adults, they hire agents. Archine and Oliver need to take a back seat and let the professionals do their jobs.

    That also means the media needs to stop putting microphones in their faces.

  6. blackqbwhiterb says: Dec 7, 2011 9:18 AM

    The only real question is, will Peyton retire right after the Super Bowl, or get cut. Because they’re NOT giving him 28 million and drafting Luck. And they WILL be drafting Luck….You just don’t pay that much coin to keep a guy who is coming off two neck surgeries and and a year off, even if it is Peyton Manning. My guess is he retires after the season, with dignity and class, but you never know, that’s an awful lot of money……

  7. irisheyes7 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:19 AM

    I get that Peyton feels like he’s earned some respect here. And he got it when the Colts signed him to a big deal, knowing he was injured. He should have some say in his future, but the Mannings are about to create a hostage stand-off here. Again.

    That said, the Colts HAVE to draft Luck. Sustained QB play is the hardest thing to achieve in this league. I do not like how the Mannings try to game the system (see Eli’s draft). Peyton has to understand that, or he wouldn’t have established his value the way he did. If the Colts can get a Herschel Walker-like bonanza, great. Take it.. Otherwise, Peyton gets traded to the highest bidder and I hope Polian politely tells Archie and company to back off.

  8. bleedgreen80 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:23 AM

    im not understanding why archie is so instumental in this discussion peyton is 34 yrs old i think he can handle his own business

  9. minnesconsin says: Dec 7, 2011 9:25 AM

    archie is such an embarassment. honestly, i guess i can understand a parent’s involvement w/ his kid’s first big career decision — so the oliver lucks and the cecil newtons are somewhat understandable (though still annoying.)

    Peyton Manning is what, 35? he’s a multi-millionaire. does he really need daddy to do his bidding? it’s pathetic.

  10. flybirdsfly says: Dec 7, 2011 9:25 AM

    This is the best picture of Peyton I have ever seen.

  11. knowerofallthings says: Dec 7, 2011 9:26 AM

    They either pay him to stay or they cut him. He’s not tradeable; we know that.

  12. booyaa63 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:27 AM

    depending on how this plays out, there is a chance the colts will end up with back to back first overall picks

  13. gopats23 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:27 AM

    I feel for you Colts fan. If this was going on in New England, I think I would be on a steady diet of Pepto Bismol until everything shakes out.

  14. vietnambob2473 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:28 AM

    $38.8 million cap charge? This right here is why the Colts are so bad. If you put 1/3 of your salary cap into ONE player, you’re probably lacking talent at most other spots.

  15. shallowfan says: Dec 7, 2011 9:28 AM

    This whole thing puts Manning and the team in a bad position.

    imo Manning should do his best to come out of this with the fans supporting him and not seeming like he is after the money. He is very likeable and marketable and even if he can’t play again he will still have a number of endorsements in the future.

    I would hope that behind the scenes he and the Colts can agree on the outcome.

    Sad to say, but the best thing for the colts imo is to cut Manning and draft Luck. Might not be another QB prospect like him for awhile.

  16. mfimasonry says: Dec 7, 2011 9:28 AM

    Peyton Place…watch your back!

  17. drewfus813 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:30 AM

    Why would Andrew Luck not want to sit behind Peyton and learn from one of the best QBs of all time for two years?

  18. bigjdve says: Dec 7, 2011 9:30 AM

    Archie Manning should just shut his pie-hole. Wouldn’t it be funny if because of this crap Luck dropped to the late 1st round?

  19. gmen1987 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:31 AM

    The Colts are simply going to cut Peyton Manning around March so so. We still don’t know if he will ever take another snap in an meaningful NFL game again.

  20. blackdb says: Dec 7, 2011 9:32 AM

    Polian needs to retire his comments that he has talked to Manning about this and Manning says a few years ago he mentioned someday we are going to have to draft your replacement are crazy. Just like the comment on his radio show that he knew where the defense was going. Back to the Tampa 2. What games has he slept through this year. The colts play more Tampa 2 than anyone in the league. Two years ago Larry Coyer was the toast of the town after bringing in a fresh aggressive approach that took them to the Super Bowl. This year they went back to that old Indy passive Tampa 2 and are bad. Now Larry is the scapegoat for Polians ego or mistakes. Clean House in Indy!

  21. mcjon22 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:34 AM

    IMO this will all come down to Isray, not Polian, and what direction he wants to take the team going forward. After this year, even with a healthy Manning, it doesn’t appear they have the talent to compete for a championship.

  22. micronin127 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:34 AM

    Luck is tradeable and very valuable to lots of teams. He is no guaranteed superstar, just this year’s best prospect.

    Peyton is not tradeable, unless he helps you, and he might if he doesn’t think he can get the years or dollars in free agency. So, a lot comes down to if Peyton will cut a deal to defer the payment to allow for a trade, perhaps by getting veto power over where they can ship him.

    Big open question is after three neck surgeries in two years, does Peyton have two or three good years left or is he all done.

  23. wegonnadoitbaby says: Dec 7, 2011 9:38 AM

    It just does not feel right for Archie to be piping off. His kids are in their 30′s and have been in the NFL for sometime, and have achieved success beyond his modest accomplishments.

    I did not like it, but I understood why he was so vocal when Eli came out. Archie believed he was a Great QB on a really bad team and he believes it wasted his career. He did not want Eli to suffer the same fate.

    Peyton is 35. A grown man with more NFL power than Archie ever dreamed of. He does not need Dad fighting his battles.

    The Colts need to evaluate one thing and one thing only…Are we better served cutting Manning, getting Luck, and spending Peyton’s money on free agent talent, or keeping Peyton and the talent they have and try to win with him. It’s the curse of the first pick, and no answer is clearly right until it plays out much later. Tough decision. It really is.

  24. ticalcaldwell says: Dec 7, 2011 9:40 AM

    Colts will never trade Peyton…..If they do…they are taking a huge risk….Sooooo, the Colts should trade a future hall of famer for a guy with great potential………..you guys are insane

  25. benh999 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:40 AM

    And why is it $28 million can not be part of the trade compensation?

  26. ottomanismydog says: Dec 7, 2011 9:41 AM

    “At some point, Oliver could explain that Andrew respects the fact that the Colts have a quarterback, and that it would make more sense for the Colts to use the first overall pick to help their quarterback win more championships.”

    With the new structure from the CBA isn’t it also theoretical to trade the pick? Colts need to build the roster with quality players – there is a star running back in the heisman race that could help Peyton in ’12.

  27. sterilizecromartie says: Dec 7, 2011 9:42 AM

    The Colts are going to end up releasing Peyton. Sad, but true. They have no choice but to enter rebuilding mode with Luck. This is a winless team that has a LOT of holes, even too many for Peyton Manning to cover up.

    Colts draft Luck and start to rebuild.

    Release Peyton and let him choose where he wants to play out his career.

    Win-Win.

  28. Andre's Johnson says: Dec 7, 2011 9:42 AM

    What a stupid contract. It’s become so very clear in the last six months that the Colts are a poorly run orginization that has been ridng on the Peyton Manning Express for fourteen years.

    This gravy train’s biscuit wheels are a-fixin’ to fall off.

  29. tombrookshire says: Dec 7, 2011 9:45 AM

    Three neck surgeries. One hit away from a wheelchair for life. He has enough damn money, just retire and enjoy the rest of your life as pain free as possible. Dude wins a SB, has most if not all of the records. What the hell else is there for him to do? Next stop Hall of Fame. At least have the good sense to go out gracefully, not in a neck brace and backboard, or like Favre, who embarrassed himself, and tarnished his legacy because he doesn’t have any future plans.

  30. KIR says: Dec 7, 2011 9:47 AM

    The last franchise QB to take his team to the Super Bowl was drafted in 2005 (Aaron Rodgers) and he wasn’t thought to be a franchise QB. In the last 12 years, there are only 5 current franchise QB’s. Peyton, Brees, Rothlisberger, Brady & Rodgers and Peyton was the only one who they said was going to be a franchise QB and was a franchise QB. Look at the list 3 of the 5 were afterthoughts. My pont? The list of can’t miss QB’s is incredibly long.

  31. glac1 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:48 AM

    Who do Archie and Oliver think they are? Let the team decide what they want to do.

  32. altoon88 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:52 AM

    pic is of Peyton watching Eli play and realizing Eli’s lack of elite skills.

  33. byzr says: Dec 7, 2011 9:56 AM

    trade the pick. you should be able to get a kings ransom for it. I’m guessing anything from 2 1st rounders (this years and next years) and a 2 or 3 this year. this team has shown a lot of deficiency this year and putting Peyton back on the team fixes a lot of it and if you add 2 or 3 top 3 round picks should put them right back into contention next year.

    of course this is all assuming that Peyton is healthy and able to play at reasonably high level. I would assume a player of his caliber won’t let his rep get sullied with a couple of bad years just to hang out in the league longer.

  34. seatownballers says: Dec 7, 2011 9:58 AM

    Lets talk money instead of ego’s , peyton is due 28 mill. @ssuming andrew luck is signed anyways. Cam newton got 22 mill. Thats fifty million dollars for two guys but only can play at a time. They couldnt afford to keep mathis, their best defensive player who is a free agent after season. From a financial stand point, they can’t retain 2 qb’s

  35. bmwaldrop says: Dec 7, 2011 9:59 AM

    Andrew Luck will not come to this team and win. They have too mamny holes. No O-line, no running game and no defense.

    It’s a bad situation for him. Now, if the Colts (or any team) think that Luck will be a star QB, then of course you have to take him. But they are better off keeping Manning for at least a year or trading the #1 pick for a whole bunch of picks. It teams really covet Luck like the media does, then they will give up a lot for the pick.

  36. otistaylor89 says: Dec 7, 2011 9:59 AM

    They are sooo screwed…

  37. krank00 says: Dec 7, 2011 10:02 AM

    Archie is dad of the year! Taking bullets for his boys is just what he does. You can bet he, Payton and Eli are on the same page.

    The Luck’s are already learning from them. Watch and see Oli take the bullets so his boy’s image stays clean and marketable.

  38. samoanjungle says: Dec 7, 2011 10:03 AM

    Unless they don’t think Peyton will be healthy, Peyton isn’t going anywhere no matter the price.
    If he is going to be fine next year, I don’t see them drafting Luck. They will trade the pick and fix a host of other problems.
    If Peyton is healthy he could play for 5-6 more years so the Luck pick would be a waste. Plus, without fixing other issues, it would suck for Luck to be on this team.
    It is real obvious that Manning made that team go.

  39. realitypolice says: Dec 7, 2011 10:03 AM

    drewfus813 says:
    Dec 7, 2011 9:30 AM
    Why would Andrew Luck not want to sit behind Peyton and learn from one of the best QBs of all time for two years?
    ==================

    Because he doesn’t need to, and every year he sits is another year he gets paid under his rookie contract. Two years on the bench means no lucrative extension until the last year of the deal.

    Starting immediately and performing well takes at least a year, probably two, off of that timetable, which of course also means that he is two years younger when his second deal expires, which means more money in the third deal.

    As much as we want to believe these things are not factors in the thinking of players, you’re kidding yourself if you think they are not.

  40. turdfurgerson68 says: Dec 7, 2011 10:09 AM

    The Manning to San Fran or Seattle rumors be getting stronger…

  41. fumblenuts says: Dec 7, 2011 10:13 AM

    I really don’t want to draw comparisons of Alex Smith and Aaron Rogers. However, if Luck sat a year or two behind Manning (if he continues to play) it can only help the kid transition to the pro level.

    Even if Manning plays and gets hurt, it would be nice for the Colts to put their franchise QB in the game.

  42. steelerdynasty2010 says: Dec 7, 2011 10:14 AM

    said it before and i’ll say it again. he STILL has not found a doc that will clear him to return to football. i believe he has scoured the earth trying to find one and cannot. that said, i firmly believe he’s going to retire. i think he’s too classy a guy to hold them hostage. i think he knows he cant live up to the contract and wont ask them to either. 1st ballot HOFer and i’m campaigning for him to be the next head coach of the Colts………or Polian could finally officially announce his unofficial title officially for the first time…lol

  43. gdeli says: Dec 7, 2011 10:15 AM

    I heard on espn that luck entered his hat into the 2012 draft yesterday. I wouldn’t put it past the vikes to go for Peyton. They paid fav-re 16 mil for last season? ouch. That’s so much $ farve we do not need to see the sexter in wrangler ads. Good jeans, questionable character guy. They ALREADY paid 5 mil for a qb that didn’t play last year! mr dirtball or I missed that WR by 5 yards McCrab. ha

  44. skiha says: Dec 7, 2011 10:17 AM

    nflofficeadmin says:Dec 7, 2011 9:14 AM

    If the players are expected to play-out their contracts, franchises should be expected to live up to their end of the agreement as well.
    ———————————————————–
    The key word in your statement is, “expected”. Players simply don’t play-out their contracts. Look at how many holdouts there are each year. Owners will not honor contracts until they are
    guaranteed

  45. Topher says: Dec 7, 2011 10:19 AM

    The simplest and obvious answer is that the Colts let Manning become a free agent and draft Andrew Luck. I don’t understand what all this other speculation is about.

  46. pigskinswag says: Dec 7, 2011 10:26 AM

    If they decide that both Manning and Luck can’t co-exist, then Manning will be the one to go, but I don’t think it will be via trade. Instead it will be via release.

  47. bozosforall says: Dec 7, 2011 10:35 AM

    Topher says:
    Dec 7, 2011 10:19 AM
    The simplest and obvious answer is that the Colts let Manning become a free agent and draft Andrew Luck. I don’t understand what all this other speculation is about.

    __
    If they do so, they take a much harder cap hit in 2012. Try paying attention.

  48. johnnyuminus says: Dec 7, 2011 10:37 AM

    It’s a no-brainer for the Colts to pay Peyton Manning and keep him — he’s invaluable as evidenced by this season. American Express could do a “priceless“ commercial reflecting this year. It’s simply remarkable that last year Peyton guided this team to a 10-6 record and 1st place finish.

  49. bozosforall says: Dec 7, 2011 10:37 AM

    KIR says:
    Dec 7, 2011 9:47 AM
    The last franchise QB to take his team to the Super Bowl was drafted in 2005 (Aaron Rodgers) and he wasn’t thought to be a franchise QB. In the last 12 years, there are only 5 current franchise QB’s. Peyton, Brees, Rothlisberger, Brady & Rodgers and Peyton was the only one who they said was going to be a franchise QB and was a franchise QB. Look at the list 3 of the 5 were afterthoughts. My pont? The list of can’t miss QB’s is incredibly long.

    __
    Hate to bust your bubble, but Eli is also a “franchise QB” who led his team to a Super Bowl win.

  50. biggerballz says: Dec 7, 2011 10:39 AM

    This is the same thing that happened to favre and rodgers. But the team found a way to make it work. Manning has to grow up and stop being a me first player and realize he can’t play till he’s favre’s age.

  51. gacoltfan says: Dec 7, 2011 10:40 AM

    As a Colt fan, I would love to have Luck back up Manning for a couple of years, but that probably won’t happen. So given the choice, I would have to take Manning (assuming they are certain he is healthy) and it has nothing to do with “loyalty” to Peyton. I would rather have another 3-4 years of a sure thing and the chance to win another SB than rebuild with a QB that may or may not be great. This league is littered with high 1st round draft picks that didn’t work out.

  52. adx321 says: Dec 7, 2011 10:46 AM

    Topher – if the Colts value Manning, and they do, they aren’t going to just “let him go” and get nothing in return.

    The fanbase would not like it one bit

  53. ditaksdika says: Dec 7, 2011 10:50 AM

    still amazes me that they signed him to this contract without even a physical. What a bunch of morons down there in indy. The owner and GM deserve an 0-16 team and they deserve an andrew luck “power Move” to get him off the team too, much like peytons bitch brother did to the chargers.

    Sure, peyton will still be popular with people, but man he has taken the colts to the cleaner with this contract and then lets sign it, and oh yeah, I need surgery on my neck now and could never actually touch the field again, so now that the ink is dry, thanks for the money suckers!

  54. realitypolice says: Dec 7, 2011 10:52 AM

    gdeli says:
    Dec 7, 2011 10:15 AM
    I heard on espn that luck entered his hat into the 2012 draft yesterday.
    ==================

    You didn’t hear that because it didn’t happen. He said he feels he is NFL ready.

    Players cannot declare for the draft until they have played their final college game.

  55. arzcardinals says: Dec 7, 2011 11:02 AM

    They will keep Peyton for 2 years and let Luck develop and learn from the master.
    Other players….yea you let go and forget paying 28 mill….but we are talking one of the greatest players to ever play the game.
    Look at the model done in SF years ago with Montana. Look at the model done in GB with Rodgers under Favre. Give the rook 2 years to see how the master does it….then let the vet go and enjoy the next 14 years of investment. Unlike the GB stock that’ll be worth nothing….this methodology is worth it’s weight in gold.

  56. realityonetwo says: Dec 7, 2011 11:07 AM

    There is nothing more annoying than two never-weres thinking they should have any input into the son’s future. They are adults, they hire agents. Archine and Oliver need to take a back seat and let the professionals do their jobs.

    —————–

    I don’t know what kind of dysfunctional family you came from, but I sure as heck would trust my dad (who just happened to play the game) over some shyster agent whose only goal is to maximize his cut…

  57. 1historian says: Dec 7, 2011 11:10 AM

    Manning is one big hit from a wheelchair so he should do a Steve Miller – take the money and run.

    It took 27 years but the law of kharma has come calling on the irsay family.

  58. 1historian says: Dec 7, 2011 11:15 AM

    If Manning won’t retire now, the colts should just release him and if he wants to play somewhere else and if there is someone out there who is insane enough to pay him that kind of money when he is one big hit away from a wheelchair – go for it.

    As for the p.r. nightmare, etc. – take the hit now, get over it, get through it, whatever – then move on.

    This game is a BUSINESS and it’s about today and tomorrow – what have you done for me lately?

  59. pfii63 says: Dec 7, 2011 11:20 AM

    Am I the only one who is sick of Archie Manning?

  60. coderacer says: Dec 7, 2011 11:26 AM

    I’d trade down and draft another of the other highly touted QBs, using the extra picks to shore up holes in the other areas of the team.

  61. pftstory says: Dec 7, 2011 11:38 AM

    I glanced through and did not see this in the comments.
    I dont see Manning matching the contract he has with the colts if they cut him and he signs elsewhere. He is simply worth more to the Colts than anyone else. Like Jeter in NY and Chipper Jones in Atlanta.
    BUT…much like Farve in GB, that value can be killed by his replacement.
    So the financial motivation for Manning could be to get that $28 mil due date pushed back to allow for his contract to be traded. The new team probably would insist on a new contract as part of any trade, but pushing it back gives him a shot at keeping the big Colt contract.
    Manning has shown in the past he is motivated by money. We’ve all talked of how his contracted limited the Colts ability to surround him with talent. A strategy that obviously worked well until he got hurt.

    Trading the pick does make sense to me. Loading up on picks that would include the one used on his replacement would not be a bad move. Assuming Mannings contract does not still limit their ability to also start collecting the free agent talent they will need to succeed without him.

    OH…and you can state you are turning pro before your college season ends. You cant officially declare, but you can let it be known what you are going to do. Like Luck said, he sees no point in making a grand announcement, since its been a forgone conclusion for monhs now, if not longer.

  62. trollhammer20 says: Dec 7, 2011 11:53 AM

    walker615 really has the best solution for the Colts: Trade the pick to another team for a king’s ransom of draft picks. Use one of the picks to get the QB prospect of the future (it’s a very deep draft for such prospects), and use the rest to build the team up to get Manning another shot in his final couple of years….and also to improve the team for the young QB when he’s ready to take over.

    Not sure where turdferguson heard about Manning to SF or Seattle rumors, but as a Seahawks fan, please God, no. We want a young QB who can open a window for long-term success, and we certainly don’t need to trade what would be required to get him. Getting Manning would mean a huge, bloated contract that would prevent us from spending on other areas of need (like a pass rush specialist to complement Chris Clemons), and he’s probably only got two good years left, anyway.

    If the Niners wanted to mortgage the ranch for a 1-2 year shot with Manning, a 36-year old QB with a growing history of neck injuries, I wouldn’t mind a bit. Be kind of like Joe Montana going to KC for his last few years.

  63. nineroutsider says: Dec 7, 2011 11:55 AM

    I guess Manning and Luck are going to push the Colts to trade Luck…to Harbaugh & Co.

    Seriously though, the Colts should keep both players and screw what their daddy’s say. The Colts can’t trust Peyton with that injury; he may never play again.

    The Colts should focus on getting Peyton healthy enough to pass a physical and trade him. His salary is crazy. They could purchase a new secondary with the money they will save…Luck won’t make real cheese until year 4 or 5?

  64. foosballisthedevil says: Dec 7, 2011 12:11 PM

    Or the Colts win out the rest of the season while JAX, STL, & Minnesooota take a nose dive and this discussion in the context of Luck is a moot point

  65. snnyjcbs says: Dec 7, 2011 12:22 PM

    Even if he comes back it will only take one hit to send him down the road, much like Rich Gannon. The owners are now being told who and who not to Draft by the QB’s Father? And with it all they have built a team around this guy that cannot play with Pop Warner without him, sad.

  66. Marc says: Dec 7, 2011 12:24 PM

    imo Manning should do his best to come out of this with the fans supporting him and not seeming like he is after the money.

    —————————————————–

    This is precisely why Archie is doing all the talking now. Peyton can float his options and opinions through his dad without any of it tarnishing his own image. Aside from his football salary, the Peyton Manning image is worth millions in endorsements deals, which he is also protecting and looking after by staying at arm’s length from any of these discussions.

  67. concernedcitizen001 says: Dec 7, 2011 12:31 PM

    Echoing a lot of what has already been stated, unless the Colts name Archie Manning an executive of football operations, he needs stay out of this. I understand he got his way with Eli and the Giants, but that didn’t do anything for Eli or Archie’s image.
    This is a business and the Colts have to position themselves for a sustainable successful model going forward. If they can afford it and pay Peyton and draft Luck, then they should. As a business decision it makes sense to play arguably one of the best quarterbacks of this era, while setting up the transition to the future. Peyton is not going to play forever and Luck is, by all indications, a talent you do not pass on. As far as Archie Manning’s assertion that Luck is “ready to step in as Newton, Dalton and Gabbert have been this year,” my response is “sure if you want a 7-5 or worse team.” You don’t play for mediocrity, you play for championships and you try every year to position your team for that goal year in and year out.
    Archie should stop TAMPERING in the Colts affairs and colluding with Oliver Luck (Andrew’s father) in doing so. If Andrew is a professional and has any interest in being positioned to win championships, he would recognize that the opportunity to learn from Peyton is a huge positive. Besides, it’s not as if he wouldn’t be making a very comfortable salary while doing so.

  68. j0esixpack says: Dec 7, 2011 12:32 PM

    Even if they could afford to keep both Manning and Luck, it’s Luck who can’t “afford” to sit on the bench for a few years.

    Under the new CBA any top draftee needs to play and produce at a high level quickly in the hopes of getting out of their rookie contract into a more lucrative long term deal.

    Luck will get HALF of what previous top QBs have gotten. He can’t play his way into a better contract if he’s sitting on the bench.

    If Manning is on the team and starting, Luck will demand a trade, and no one should blame him.

  69. Derty Ernie says: Dec 7, 2011 12:38 PM

    The Colts don’t seem to have a lot of options except maybe one that was not discussed above: What if Peyton can’t come back from his injury or the Colts determine his best days are behind him. It may make a lot of sense to cut him, get nothing for him but save 28mil and move on. Thus, taking the chance that he will not be as effective for whomever ends up getting him and probving their decision to be a good one.

    The Colts would be stupid to pass on Luck for a QB who is one hit from a wheelchair, I have to assume they aren’t that stupid of sentimental. They should learn from the Pack who pushed sentimental (Favre) to the curb for Rogers.

  70. 8man says: Dec 7, 2011 12:38 PM

    8man says:
    Dec 7, 2011 10:13 AM
    Tough spot for the Clots. Yes, Clots. Because there is clearly a blockage of blood flow and life giving oxygen.

    Anyway, it’s a tough choice. Cut a proven commodity that may not be able to play well again for a speculative commodity that may or may not play well at all. Or absorb the financial pain, keep the proven commodity, that, again, may not be able to play well again AND draft the speculative one and hope for things to go well.

    Look as bad as this team is without Peyton, does anyone really believe that he is all they need to win a title? No. It’s not like the Patriots, who went 11-5 with Matt Cassel. The Clots are not a good football team right now. Even with Peyton back next year, I don’t think they win it all.

    If it’s me, I cut Peyton and draft Luck. Barring any sort of contract renegotiation.

  71. terrellochouno says: Dec 7, 2011 12:57 PM

    If I’m Jim Irsay, there’s no way I let these two clowns try & bully me into doing something against the best interests of my team. I think it’ll be f’ing fantastic if the Colts cut Manning & take Matt Barkley with the #1 pick.

  72. theklitch says: Dec 7, 2011 1:03 PM

    Y is everyone bashing peyton?

    Dude is a monster… I personally do not like the colts playing bc it is boring and mundane…

    No excitement when he plays..

    but come on he is one of the best qbs to play the game and still is…

    on another note WHAT IS THE KLITCH?

  73. 1historian says: Dec 7, 2011 1:12 PM

    “Trade the pick to another team for a king’s ransom of draft picks.”

    Any suggestions for the “other team”? This could be interesting. It’s already fun and we’re still a month away from the playoffs.

  74. clutch87j says: Dec 7, 2011 1:37 PM

    once again people are only saying these things because manning isn’t playing this year. people are acting like this injury occurred in the off season or last year. this is an injury that manning has been to two super bowls with( it actually happened in 05′ or 04′ season) and he had these surgeries to try to deal with the pain and discomfort he been dealing with since then. has everyone forgotten that he PASSED his physical at the beginning of the season? the pain and soreness was still there, so he had the 3rd surg. and with the city set up to earn some nice money from the super bowl, its a perfect time to suck and get a high draft pick. I think this was all planned.

  75. 6ball says: Dec 7, 2011 1:45 PM

    .

    The idea that Luck will sit on the bench and merrily watch the games is ludicrous. Athletes like him have been “star ” of every team since grade school. They want to be on the field competing instead of watching Tyler Palko, Chad Henne, Matt Moore, Colt McCoy, Tavares Jackson, Blaine Gabbert, and TJ Yates hold down starting jobs.

    .

  76. ganggreen2011 says: Dec 7, 2011 2:13 PM

    Peyton wont be a Colt next year, they will flat out release him. Texans, Dolphins, Chiefs, or Jets are the short list for his services I think.

  77. washstnative says: Dec 7, 2011 2:43 PM

    The Helicopter parents need to back away from the mic…

  78. psousa1 says: Dec 7, 2011 2:45 PM

    You just might be able to trade that pick and still wind up with Barkley from USC and picks from the team you swap spots with. That might not be a bad option. The kid can make all the throws from anywhere on the field.

  79. CKL says: Dec 7, 2011 3:15 PM

    Why are people so sure he is one hit away from paralysis if he returns? Quite a few other players, ones who play physical positions like OL, have had this procedure and returned to play, including a former Colts player ( DB K Hayden).
    It sounds like at this point, the nerve regeneration is the main obstacle.

  80. whatwouldlombardido says: Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM

    One thing is obvious: the Colts have tanked this season. Losing one player does not turn a playoff team into the worst team in the league. That said, what will the Colts do with that pick? Past experience proves that a team cannot pass up a potential 10 year starter at the most important position on the field. I think Manning will retire, be given a management position within the organization and allow the Colts to draft Luck with little or no controversy. He’s a class Guy.

  81. woodyg says: Dec 8, 2011 5:15 PM

    krank00 says:
    Dec 7, 2011 10:02 AM
    Archie is dad of the year! Taking bullets for his boys is just what he does. You can bet he, Payton and Eli are on the same page.

    The Luck’s are already learning from them. Watch and see Oli take the bullets so his boy’s image stays clean and marketable.

    _________________

    It’s amazing that most readers don’t understand this ……. Me thinks most readers who are complaining about fathers interferring are 16 yr. olds who always get told NO when they ask if they can take the car out for a spin …..

  82. jaxxus says: Dec 8, 2011 5:32 PM

    Just take note that Tebow only has the MAN speak for him.
    Little Peyton & Andy should be so lucky.

  83. The Prophet says: Dec 8, 2011 6:03 PM

    Why do people live under the illusion that the Colts could get anything for Peyton Manning? What do you base this on? Remember the Chargers couldn’t even unload Drew Brees and he was outright shown the door by the Dolphins for a mere shoulder injury that 5 years later is non-existent. NFL teams do not go after health risk players no matter how much you Colts fan think Peyton is worth. Peyton will be released to he can choose the team he wants.

    As for this notion that Peyton should just “retire with dignity”, what you mean is retire so us Colt fans don’t have to choose between Peyton and the Colts/Luck. It’s pretty darn clear that Peyton is doing everything in his power to play, and until he is told definitively that he is paralyzed from his next sack, then he will play. I think he’d be a good fit in Houston personally …

  84. earlmook says: Dec 14, 2011 5:05 PM

    All this talk of trading Manning doesn’t make any sense even if they do pay him his money. Yeah the Colts obviously beyond suck without Manning but Manning is one if not the greatest QB to play the game. It makes more sense for the Colts to draft Luck and let Luck study Manning for a year and then obviously trade Manning. Yet at the same time it’s quit possible that Luck can come right from the draft and start immediately. The Colts are in a weird situation… Keep Manning and draft Luck who would obvously start the next season after a season behind Manning, who arguably is one of the best QB’s to play the game, trade Manning but to where? Or another possible situation would be for the Colts to pass on Luck and go after some receivers or some other position besides QB. Obviously there is a lot of positions that needs to be added for the Colts other than a QB.

  85. melkyper says: Jan 13, 2012 3:45 PM

    First of all, Archie really needs to shut up and stay out of Peyton’s business, and the media needs to stop talking to Archie. Finally, Peyton needs to retire. He’s one hit away from paralysis and the Colts have little or no practical choice but to cut him. However, I’m sure the Vikings will agressive pursue Peyton in the offseason anyway.

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