Comments on: Colts can’t pay and trade Peyton

By: melkyper

melkyper — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:45:17 +0000

First of all, Archie really needs to shut up and stay out of Peyton’s business, and the media needs to stop talking to Archie. Finally, Peyton needs to retire. He’s one hit away from paralysis and the Colts have little or no practical choice but to cut him. However, I’m sure the Vikings will agressive pursue Peyton in the offseason anyway.

By: earlmook

earlmook — Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:05:25 +0000

All this talk of trading Manning doesn’t make any sense even if they do pay him his money. Yeah the Colts obviously beyond suck without Manning but Manning is one if not the greatest QB to play the game. It makes more sense for the Colts to draft Luck and let Luck study Manning for a year and then obviously trade Manning. Yet at the same time it’s quit possible that Luck can come right from the draft and start immediately. The Colts are in a weird situation… Keep Manning and draft Luck who would obvously start the next season after a season behind Manning, who arguably is one of the best QB’s to play the game, trade Manning but to where? Or another possible situation would be for the Colts to pass on Luck and go after some receivers or some other position besides QB. Obviously there is a lot of positions that needs to be added for the Colts other than a QB.

By: The Prophet

The Prophet — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 23:03:56 +0000

Why do people live under the illusion that the Colts could get anything for Peyton Manning? What do you base this on? Remember the Chargers couldn’t even unload Drew Brees and he was outright shown the door by the Dolphins for a mere shoulder injury that 5 years later is non-existent. NFL teams do not go after health risk players no matter how much you Colts fan think Peyton is worth. Peyton will be released to he can choose the team he wants.

As for this notion that Peyton should just “retire with dignity”, what you mean is retire so us Colt fans don’t have to choose between Peyton and the Colts/Luck. It’s pretty darn clear that Peyton is doing everything in his power to play, and until he is told definitively that he is paralyzed from his next sack, then he will play. I think he’d be a good fit in Houston personally …

By: jaxxus

jaxxus — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 22:32:33 +0000

Just take note that Tebow only has the MAN speak for him.
Little Peyton & Andy should be so lucky.

By: woodyg

woodyg — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 22:15:26 +0000

krank00 says:
Dec 7, 2011 10:02 AM
Archie is dad of the year! Taking bullets for his boys is just what he does. You can bet he, Payton and Eli are on the same page.

The Luck’s are already learning from them. Watch and see Oli take the bullets so his boy’s image stays clean and marketable.

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It’s amazing that most readers don’t understand this ……. Me thinks most readers who are complaining about fathers interferring are 16 yr. olds who always get told NO when they ask if they can take the car out for a spin …..

By: whatwouldlombardido

whatwouldlombardido — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:34:48 +0000

One thing is obvious: the Colts have tanked this season. Losing one player does not turn a playoff team into the worst team in the league. That said, what will the Colts do with that pick? Past experience proves that a team cannot pass up a potential 10 year starter at the most important position on the field. I think Manning will retire, be given a management position within the organization and allow the Colts to draft Luck with little or no controversy. He’s a class Guy.

By: CKL

CKL — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 20:15:33 +0000

Why are people so sure he is one hit away from paralysis if he returns? Quite a few other players, ones who play physical positions like OL, have had this procedure and returned to play, including a former Colts player ( DB K Hayden).
It sounds like at this point, the nerve regeneration is the main obstacle.

By: psousa1

psousa1 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:45:11 +0000

You just might be able to trade that pick and still wind up with Barkley from USC and picks from the team you swap spots with. That might not be a bad option. The kid can make all the throws from anywhere on the field.

By: washstnative

washstnative — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:43:17 +0000

The Helicopter parents need to back away from the mic…

By: ganggreen2011

ganggreen2011 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:13:27 +0000

Peyton wont be a Colt next year, they will flat out release him. Texans, Dolphins, Chiefs, or Jets are the short list for his services I think.

By: 6ball

6ball — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:45:42 +0000

The idea that Luck will sit on the bench and merrily watch the games is ludicrous. Athletes like him have been “star ” of every team since grade school. They want to be on the field competing instead of watching Tyler Palko, Chad Henne, Matt Moore, Colt McCoy, Tavares Jackson, Blaine Gabbert, and TJ Yates hold down starting jobs.

By: clutch87j

clutch87j — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:37:24 +0000

once again people are only saying these things because manning isn’t playing this year. people are acting like this injury occurred in the off season or last year. this is an injury that manning has been to two super bowls with( it actually happened in 05′ or 04′ season) and he had these surgeries to try to deal with the pain and discomfort he been dealing with since then. has everyone forgotten that he PASSED his physical at the beginning of the season? the pain and soreness was still there, so he had the 3rd surg. and with the city set up to earn some nice money from the super bowl, its a perfect time to suck and get a high draft pick. I think this was all planned.

By: 1historian

1historian — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:12:33 +0000

“Trade the pick to another team for a king’s ransom of draft picks.”

Any suggestions for the “other team”? This could be interesting. It’s already fun and we’re still a month away from the playoffs.

By: theklitch

theklitch — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:03:01 +0000

Y is everyone bashing peyton?

Dude is a monster… I personally do not like the colts playing bc it is boring and mundane…

No excitement when he plays..

but come on he is one of the best qbs to play the game and still is…

on another note WHAT IS THE KLITCH?

By: terrellochouno

terrellochouno — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:57:37 +0000

If I’m Jim Irsay, there’s no way I let these two clowns try & bully me into doing something against the best interests of my team. I think it’ll be f’ing fantastic if the Colts cut Manning & take Matt Barkley with the #1 pick.

By: 8man

8man — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:38:56 +0000

8man says:
Dec 7, 2011 10:13 AM
Tough spot for the Clots. Yes, Clots. Because there is clearly a blockage of blood flow and life giving oxygen.

Anyway, it’s a tough choice. Cut a proven commodity that may not be able to play well again for a speculative commodity that may or may not play well at all. Or absorb the financial pain, keep the proven commodity, that, again, may not be able to play well again AND draft the speculative one and hope for things to go well.

Look as bad as this team is without Peyton, does anyone really believe that he is all they need to win a title? No. It’s not like the Patriots, who went 11-5 with Matt Cassel. The Clots are not a good football team right now. Even with Peyton back next year, I don’t think they win it all.

If it’s me, I cut Peyton and draft Luck. Barring any sort of contract renegotiation.

By: Derty Ernie

Derty Ernie — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:38:52 +0000

The Colts don’t seem to have a lot of options except maybe one that was not discussed above: What if Peyton can’t come back from his injury or the Colts determine his best days are behind him. It may make a lot of sense to cut him, get nothing for him but save 28mil and move on. Thus, taking the chance that he will not be as effective for whomever ends up getting him and probving their decision to be a good one.

The Colts would be stupid to pass on Luck for a QB who is one hit from a wheelchair, I have to assume they aren’t that stupid of sentimental. They should learn from the Pack who pushed sentimental (Favre) to the curb for Rogers.

By: j0esixpack

j0esixpack — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:32:45 +0000

Even if they could afford to keep both Manning and Luck, it’s Luck who can’t “afford” to sit on the bench for a few years.

Under the new CBA any top draftee needs to play and produce at a high level quickly in the hopes of getting out of their rookie contract into a more lucrative long term deal.

Luck will get HALF of what previous top QBs have gotten. He can’t play his way into a better contract if he’s sitting on the bench.

If Manning is on the team and starting, Luck will demand a trade, and no one should blame him.

By: concernedcitizen001

concernedcitizen001 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:31:19 +0000

Echoing a lot of what has already been stated, unless the Colts name Archie Manning an executive of football operations, he needs stay out of this. I understand he got his way with Eli and the Giants, but that didn’t do anything for Eli or Archie’s image.
This is a business and the Colts have to position themselves for a sustainable successful model going forward. If they can afford it and pay Peyton and draft Luck, then they should. As a business decision it makes sense to play arguably one of the best quarterbacks of this era, while setting up the transition to the future. Peyton is not going to play forever and Luck is, by all indications, a talent you do not pass on. As far as Archie Manning’s assertion that Luck is “ready to step in as Newton, Dalton and Gabbert have been this year,” my response is “sure if you want a 7-5 or worse team.” You don’t play for mediocrity, you play for championships and you try every year to position your team for that goal year in and year out.
Archie should stop TAMPERING in the Colts affairs and colluding with Oliver Luck (Andrew’s father) in doing so. If Andrew is a professional and has any interest in being positioned to win championships, he would recognize that the opportunity to learn from Peyton is a huge positive. Besides, it’s not as if he wouldn’t be making a very comfortable salary while doing so.

By: Marc

Marc — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:24:34 +0000

imo Manning should do his best to come out of this with the fans supporting him and not seeming like he is after the money.

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This is precisely why Archie is doing all the talking now. Peyton can float his options and opinions through his dad without any of it tarnishing his own image. Aside from his football salary, the Peyton Manning image is worth millions in endorsements deals, which he is also protecting and looking after by staying at arm’s length from any of these discussions.

By: snnyjcbs

snnyjcbs — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:22:32 +0000

Even if he comes back it will only take one hit to send him down the road, much like Rich Gannon. The owners are now being told who and who not to Draft by the QB’s Father? And with it all they have built a team around this guy that cannot play with Pop Warner without him, sad.

By: foosballisthedevil

foosballisthedevil — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:11:16 +0000

Or the Colts win out the rest of the season while JAX, STL, & Minnesooota take a nose dive and this discussion in the context of Luck is a moot point

By: nineroutsider

nineroutsider — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:55:42 +0000

I guess Manning and Luck are going to push the Colts to trade Luck…to Harbaugh & Co.

Seriously though, the Colts should keep both players and screw what their daddy’s say. The Colts can’t trust Peyton with that injury; he may never play again.

The Colts should focus on getting Peyton healthy enough to pass a physical and trade him. His salary is crazy. They could purchase a new secondary with the money they will save…Luck won’t make real cheese until year 4 or 5?

By: trollhammer20

trollhammer20 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:53:55 +0000

walker615 really has the best solution for the Colts: Trade the pick to another team for a king’s ransom of draft picks. Use one of the picks to get the QB prospect of the future (it’s a very deep draft for such prospects), and use the rest to build the team up to get Manning another shot in his final couple of years….and also to improve the team for the young QB when he’s ready to take over.

Not sure where turdferguson heard about Manning to SF or Seattle rumors, but as a Seahawks fan, please God, no. We want a young QB who can open a window for long-term success, and we certainly don’t need to trade what would be required to get him. Getting Manning would mean a huge, bloated contract that would prevent us from spending on other areas of need (like a pass rush specialist to complement Chris Clemons), and he’s probably only got two good years left, anyway.

If the Niners wanted to mortgage the ranch for a 1-2 year shot with Manning, a 36-year old QB with a growing history of neck injuries, I wouldn’t mind a bit. Be kind of like Joe Montana going to KC for his last few years.

By: pftstory

pftstory — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:38:46 +0000

I glanced through and did not see this in the comments.
I dont see Manning matching the contract he has with the colts if they cut him and he signs elsewhere. He is simply worth more to the Colts than anyone else. Like Jeter in NY and Chipper Jones in Atlanta.
BUT…much like Farve in GB, that value can be killed by his replacement.
So the financial motivation for Manning could be to get that $28 mil due date pushed back to allow for his contract to be traded. The new team probably would insist on a new contract as part of any trade, but pushing it back gives him a shot at keeping the big Colt contract.
Manning has shown in the past he is motivated by money. We’ve all talked of how his contracted limited the Colts ability to surround him with talent. A strategy that obviously worked well until he got hurt.

Trading the pick does make sense to me. Loading up on picks that would include the one used on his replacement would not be a bad move. Assuming Mannings contract does not still limit their ability to also start collecting the free agent talent they will need to succeed without him.

OH…and you can state you are turning pro before your college season ends. You cant officially declare, but you can let it be known what you are going to do. Like Luck said, he sees no point in making a grand announcement, since its been a forgone conclusion for monhs now, if not longer.

By: coderacer

coderacer — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:26:50 +0000

I’d trade down and draft another of the other highly touted QBs, using the extra picks to shore up holes in the other areas of the team.

By: pfii63

pfii63 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:20:21 +0000

Am I the only one who is sick of Archie Manning?

By: 1historian

1historian — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:15:46 +0000

If Manning won’t retire now, the colts should just release him and if he wants to play somewhere else and if there is someone out there who is insane enough to pay him that kind of money when he is one big hit away from a wheelchair – go for it.

As for the p.r. nightmare, etc. – take the hit now, get over it, get through it, whatever – then move on.

This game is a BUSINESS and it’s about today and tomorrow – what have you done for me lately?

By: 1historian

1historian — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:10:36 +0000

Manning is one big hit from a wheelchair so he should do a Steve Miller – take the money and run.

It took 27 years but the law of kharma has come calling on the irsay family.

By: realityonetwo

realityonetwo — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:07:03 +0000

There is nothing more annoying than two never-weres thinking they should have any input into the son’s future. They are adults, they hire agents. Archine and Oliver need to take a back seat and let the professionals do their jobs.

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I don’t know what kind of dysfunctional family you came from, but I sure as heck would trust my dad (who just happened to play the game) over some shyster agent whose only goal is to maximize his cut…