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Missed facemask penalty helps Lions preserve win

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In September, the Vikings blew a 20-point lead to the Lions.  In December, the Lions nearly blew a 21-point lead to the Vikings.

A 28-7 lead melted into a 34-28 skin-of-the-teeth win for the Lions, with a crazy final play helping the Lions seal the victory.

At first and goal from the Detroit one, on the final snap of an 18-play drive that started at the Minnesota 20 and had just been extended by a scramble from Vikings quarterback Joe Webb on fourth and six, Cliff Avril knocked the ball loose from Webb, who replaced rookie Christian Ponder earlier in the half.

But Webb’s facemask was grabbed and yanked by linebacker DeAndre Levy, with no penalty being called.  When the dust settled after the ball was kicked and hit and rolled nearly 50 yards in the other direction, the game was over.

The Vikings have every right to be upset, just as the Packers did after the 2009 wild-card game between Green Bay and Arizona.  With the referee so intent in moments like that on watching the ball to ensure that the quarterback’s arm wasn’t moving forward, the referee can miss the quarterback’s head getting spun around.

And since whether or not a guy’s facemask was pulled can’t be reviewed by replay, nothing could be done.

The Vikings fall to 2-11, and the Lions improve to 8-5.  And Webb showed enough to make Vikings fans wonder why the team didn’t simply make him the starting quarterback and use the 12th overall pick on Nick Fairley or Ryan Kerrigan or Adrian Clayborn.

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  1. cusoman says: Dec 11, 2011 4:39 PM

    Unbelievable that that face mask was not called. Say all you want about good teams winning despite botched calls, but the history of the Vikes is RIDDLED with terrible calls and non-calls that are almost always ones that cost the Vikings the game.

  2. veence69 says: Dec 11, 2011 4:40 PM

    Do you think Aaron Rodgers would have gotten the call?

    Hmm..

  3. worldwidebleater says: Dec 11, 2011 4:41 PM

    It wasn’t called because the Lions had reached their yearly limit on personal fouls. Dirty, dirty dirty.

  4. lionsfanatic84 says: Dec 11, 2011 4:41 PM

    Considering the refs were getting the lions for anything they possibly can, I couldn’t believe they miss that facemask, so cue the lions are dirty talk in 3…..2….1

  5. flipadelphia says: Dec 11, 2011 4:42 PM

    Shocked you guys dont have a picture of the facemask up yet.

    Penalties are committed on a ton of NFL final plays guys, you don’t need to highlight this one more than any other play.

    Losers.

  6. your6ringsaremeaninglessnow says: Dec 11, 2011 4:43 PM

    That’s ridiculous. The Lions were jobbed by the refs the whole game. That absurd first down call that was clearly short when they brought out the chains. That ridiculous call on Tulloch when he made the clean block on Ponder. So many other blown calls and no calls. The Lions deserved this win.

  7. pencepost says: Dec 11, 2011 4:44 PM

    Wow, playing dirty actually helped the Lions for once.

  8. numberoneinthehoodg says: Dec 11, 2011 4:50 PM

    12th overall pick on…….

    Vike fans feel your pain my good man. This doesn’t seem to be a team that will turn around anytime soon. They have to start over, and maybe a change of scenery is the best for the organization. That pains me to say.

    I bleed purple and gold (or yellow, whatever) but this is definitely worse than Les Steckel.

    He’s going the wrong way! How do they know which way we’re going.

  9. hauntedspawn says: Dec 11, 2011 4:50 PM

    I love how this website trashes the Lions every chance they get. Lions win!! There is no asterisk for penalties in the record books.

    Vikings 28 (2-11)
    Detroit 34 (8-5) Final

    Read it and weep

  10. spooner97 says: Dec 11, 2011 4:51 PM

    Missed face mask call = Karma kicking Jared Allen right in the schnuts. Maybe 2-11 makes him want to drown himself in the river.

  11. purpwalk says: Dec 11, 2011 4:52 PM

    MN is bad and detroit ain’t goin’ anywhere

  12. Soulman45 says: Dec 11, 2011 4:52 PM

    Frist to say
    THE GREAT DETROIT LIONS keep rolling along to a win in the Super Bowl.

  13. paulieorkid says: Dec 11, 2011 4:52 PM

    How do the refs miss that call? It’s the QB with the ball on a compressed field? It was obvious in real time. It was painfully even more obvious on replay.

    Unreal.

    Had the refs called that play properly, Minnesota has first and goal at the 18 inch line – for the win. Instead, Detroit gets a tainted win — and this unfairly compromises other NFC teams’ Wild Card positioning, and may result in missing the playoffs altogether.

    I recall years ago Dennis Erickson got axed over similar ref idiocy. Phil Luckett actually defended a horrible call by saying he mistook Testaverde’s shiny white round plastic helmet for a brown pebble-grained prolate spheriod football.

    Seattle misses playoffs unfairly. Erickson crapcanned because of it. Nice work again refs — you’re the gift that keeps on giving.

  14. fearthewopr says: Dec 11, 2011 4:53 PM

    horribly officiated games…facemask, missed holding calls, horse collars, etc…both ways. funny that goodell was there to talk to the lions season tix holders and said officials were right 99% of the time.

  15. steviaquinn says: Dec 11, 2011 4:54 PM

    Not nearly as bad as the saints game. The saints game was like the Kahn/ peterson fight last night. Why are the Saints DBs allowed to tackle both receivers at the end of the game before the ball is thrown with no call?

    this is the forth game this year the officials single handedly won for the Saints.

    Looks like Goodell wants ” saints/ Packers” in the championship game after the lockuout, even if the Saints need ALOT of help to get there.

    The NFL is becoming Pro wrestling.

  16. doowix says: Dec 11, 2011 4:54 PM

    Good non-call. Would have been a weak facemask penalty and the ball had already been fumbled so it had no impact on the outcome of the play.

  17. yoopthreat says: Dec 11, 2011 4:55 PM

    yep they were just makin up for the facemask they missed on pettigrew earlier in the game

  18. lionhunter909 says: Dec 11, 2011 4:56 PM

    Wow, dramatic finish. Hard to argue against Levy’s facemask grab, but just goes to show you losing teams rarely get breaks. Lions have been screwed by missed calls for years. No sympathy for Vikings, it’s your turn now…..

  19. brutix03 says: Dec 11, 2011 4:57 PM

    Don’t forget about the facemask and block in the back that weren’t called on minnesota earlier on the game. I like how you only focused on the part that makes detroit look dirty!

  20. squared80 says: Dec 11, 2011 4:58 PM

    That last paragraph is totally off-base. Obviously you know nothing about the Vikings or their fans. Everyone knows Webb is an amazing athlete, but we also know he’s not a starting NFL quarterback. Do you think we give a damn about rookie QB interceptions in a 2-10 season? Get a brain.

  21. bobbylaynesreplacement says: Dec 11, 2011 4:59 PM

    If the Lions want to be a playoff team they need to start acting like it, which means putting away a 2-10 team at home.

    This was a very disappointing game and one they probably did not deserve to win

    All the penalties need to be cleaned up ASAP!

    a wins a win especially in a playoff race but this just doesn’t feel right

    ….. and can someone please tell me why the offense disappears for quarters at a time????

  22. deconjonesbitchslap says: Dec 11, 2011 5:01 PM

    terrible way to end a game: an obvious face mask. vikings deserved to lose the game, but they didn’t deserve to get screwed by the refs.

    Pick-6 Ponder makes terrible decisions every single week. this isn’t some rookie making rookie mistakes: he throws the ball atleast a second too late. he also always has injury issues all the time. the vikings have quite an amazing dilemma: do you start a QB that throws 3 int’s per game, or do you start a guy that can’t throw period? way to go vikings. way to go. meanwhile, the packers just scored again. and again.

    Percy Harvin is the best athlete in the NFL. hands down. he can do anything. i bet he can throw. their offense is so much more effective when he is the cornerstone, and not Peterson.

  23. swarlesbarrkley says: Dec 11, 2011 5:02 PM

    Any other team, and it’s simply a missed facemask call after the fumble. Because it was the Lions, it was a missed dirty facemask that should be fined

  24. poconofan says: Dec 11, 2011 5:03 PM

    Whole game was filled with missed calls. On that last drive, an offensive pass interference call should have easily been made also. Way I see it, Lions finally got a break.

  25. cmdv8 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:04 PM

    ball was out before the face mask so dont try and say they had to “cheat” to win but thats ok the vikings suck and detroit is no longer the red headed stepchild of the nfc north so hate all you want. bad calls like that have gone against detroit for decades welcome to are world b!t[he$. carma’s a m efer.

  26. vikingsinla says: Dec 11, 2011 5:05 PM

    It was a missed call, but Ponder’s ineptitude “helped” the Lions a lot more than this one call.

    Congrats, Lions. A 2-win team came into your house, gave you 6 turnovers (and if your d-backs could catch, it could have been 8) and still almost came back and beat you. You’re doing great!

  27. mervsvikes says: Dec 11, 2011 5:09 PM

    I’m so sick of people whining about officiating. Yeah, that was a blown call, but the Vikings lost because of turnovers. They should have won by 2 scores but Ponder played like garbage. Quit whining though. Refs are human.

  28. teamnorsecore1 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:09 PM

    deconjonesbitchslap says:
    Dec 11, 2011 5:01 PM
    terrible way to end a game: an obvious face mask. vikings deserved to lose the game, but they didn’t deserve to get screwed by the refs.

    Pick-6 Ponder makes terrible decisions every single week. this isn’t some rookie making rookie mistakes: he throws the ball atleast a second too late. he also always has injury issues all the time. the vikings have quite an amazing dilemma: do you start a QB that throws 3 int’s per game, or do you start a guy that can’t throw period? way to go vikings. way to go. meanwhile, the packers just scored again. and again.

    Percy Harvin is the best athlete in the NFL. hands down. he can do anything. i bet he can throw. their offense is so much more effective when he is the cornerstone, and not Peterson.

    …..
    Go back and look at Troy Aikman’s rookie year, or Peyton Manning then talk more crap about Ponder.

  29. winbabywin says: Dec 11, 2011 5:14 PM

    Thanks! Enjoy 2-11 and watching your first round draft pick complete passes to the other team for years to come.

  30. otissistrunk says: Dec 11, 2011 5:15 PM

    What’s funny was that watching the game I called a facemask the second I seen it watching from my living room…and not one official seen it.Whatever,both teams suck

  31. brewsforyou says: Dec 11, 2011 5:22 PM

    Detroit looked like poo, but that was the first time a call went for detroit in a couple games.

  32. ahs2 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:30 PM

    pencepost says:
    Dec 11, 2011 4:44 PM
    Wow, playing dirty actually helped the Lions for once.
    ________________________________

    How is an inadvertent facemask on the last desperate play of the game, after the ball is actually fumbled and time runs out, considered “dirty”…you’ve been sucked into the hype.

  33. johnnycash19 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM

    deconjonesbitchslap says: Dec 11, 2011 5:01 PM
    Pick-6 Ponder makes terrible decisions every single week. this isn’t some rookie making rookie mistakes: he throws the ball atleast a second too late.
    —————
    What? Throwing a ball a second to late IS a rookie mistake. Are you serious?

    vikingsinla says: Dec 11, 2011 5:05 PM

    Congrats, Lions. A 2-win team came into your house, gave you 6 turnovers (and if your d-backs could catch, it could have been 8) and still almost came back and beat you. You’re doing great!
    ————–

    Detroit was missing half of their defense as well.
    Fairly
    Suh
    Lawrence Jackson
    Justin Durant and Aaron Berry both went out
    Louis Delmas
    Chris Houston.

    I’m just saying.

  34. bobhk says: Dec 11, 2011 5:40 PM

    Long said that lions are barely over .500 team that got lucky against the vikes.

  35. vikingsinla says: Dec 11, 2011 5:44 PM

    winbabywin says: Dec 11, 2011 5:14 PM

    Thanks! Enjoy 2-11 and watching your first round draft pick complete passes to the other team for years to come.

    ______________

    Correction, Joe Webb was drafted in the 6th round. And the LA Vikings will take Barkley next year, who’s actually a pretty accurate passer.

  36. scra22 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:46 PM

    @steviaquinn
    The Saints were penalized 11 times today. There were two huge reviews that both went against the Saints – a Graham TD ruled OOB and a Locker fumble reversed to incomplete pass. If the refs were really calling the game for the Saints today, they had a very funny way of showing it.

  37. sterling7 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:49 PM

    As a lifelong Viking fan and I do mean lifelong (which unfortunately translates to a “glutton for punishment), only the Minnesota Vikings could have a first and goal and wind up with a fumble at around the 50 yard line. And by the way, I don’t care how nice a guy Leslie Frazier is…….he’s gotta go, him and his entire-I don’t know what my secondary is doing, I don’t know why my offensive lineman won’t block, I don’t know why my special teams stink, I don’t know why we don’t have any wide receivers coaching staff has to go. The Minnesota Vikings have three players, Adrian Peterson, Jared Allen and Percy Harvin, everyone else including the entire coaching staff and front office need to go!!!

  38. chetwynnr says: Dec 11, 2011 5:51 PM

    The Lions are a hard team to watch and have been since Barry left. I don’t see it getting much better any time soon. The Pillsbury dough boy isn’t consistent enough to take them far. The offensive line is too porous and slow-footed. Special teams aren’t that special and coaching is good enough only on defense. Martin Mayhew is probably their greatest asset.

  39. vikingsinla says: Dec 11, 2011 5:56 PM

    johnnycash19 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM

    Detroit was missing half of their defense as well.
    Fairly
    Suh
    Lawrence Jackson
    Justin Durant and Aaron Berry both went out
    Louis Delmas
    Chris Houston.

    ________

    Minny was missing Adrian Peterson, who trumps all those guys and then some.

    You were saying?

  40. steelerrc says: Dec 11, 2011 6:00 PM

    Every ref in the league sucks!!!

  41. danphxariz says: Dec 11, 2011 6:11 PM

    One of the previous comments said the NFL is becoming like Pro Wrestling. I think it’s more accurate to say the NFL is becoming like Pro Boxing. In wrestling, the participants are actually in on the charade. In boxing, the participants can be fighting legitimately, but the judges and sometimes the ref can be in on a fix or at least have an agenda that blatantly favors one side over another. The NFL needs to do or the fans are going to lose confidence in the integrity of the game, and it could become an irrelevant joke like boxing has become.

    There are way too many judgment calls that get made, or that are missed, which have a big impact on the outcome of the game. The game should be decided by the players on the field, and not by the refs – but too many times (and it is happening more and more, especially with the emphasis on trying to protect players) “judgment” type penalties (pass interference, roughing the passer, etc) determine the game’s outcome and it definitely seems like some refs have an agenda for or against certain players or teams.

  42. vikingsinla says: Dec 11, 2011 6:14 PM

    sterling7 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:49 PM

    The Minnesota Vikings have three players, Adrian Peterson, Jared Allen and Percy Harvin, everyone else including the entire coaching staff and front office need to go!!!

    _______

    Gave thumbs down because I think that Randolph kid can be a playa.

  43. americankris says: Dec 11, 2011 6:18 PM

    Forget the no call. Cliff Avril should be cut for that neutral zone infraction. Almost cost the Lions their season

  44. winbabywin says: Dec 11, 2011 6:27 PM

    vikingsinla says:
    Dec 11, 2011 5:56 PM
    johnnycash19 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM

    Detroit was missing half of their defense as well.
    Fairly
    Suh
    Lawrence Jackson
    Justin Durant and Aaron Berry both went out
    Louis Delmas
    Chris Houston.

    ________

    Minny was missing Adrian Peterson, who trumps all those guys and then some.

    You were saying?

    ________

    Sorry Kid but no AP doesn’t trump being without 4 defensive starters and two guys part of the regular rotation, particularly when one of them is a boy named SUH . . .

    And yes you are correct Joe Webb was a sixth round pick, but Christian Ponder wasn’t . . .

    Hope and pray all you want but Matt Barkely to the vikes is a pipe dream.

  45. gbfanforever says: Dec 11, 2011 6:28 PM

    “Do you think Aaron Rodgers would have gotten the call?Hmm..”

    Maybe you didn’t catch the end of the packers Cardinals wildcard game 2 years ago in which AR was tackled by his facemask on the gamewinning play for the cards only to get no flag. Don’t get all huffy because he’s dominating the league…

  46. stellarperformance says: Dec 11, 2011 6:32 PM

    veence69 says: Dec 11, 2011 4:40 PM
    Do you think Aaron Rodgers would have gotten the call?
    Hmm..

    ——————————————————————-

    Do you think Rodgers should’ve gotten the same call against Arizona in the playoffs a few years ago? I seem to recall just about every Vikings fan on this site telling us to shut-up and quit whining when we questioned the same exact thing.

    From above: “The Vikings have every right to be upset, just as the Packers did after the 2009 wild-card game between Green Bay and Arizona.”

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. It’s called “tough-luck.” By the way…the Packers were better than the Vikings that year too, but couldn’t prove it because of that non-call.

  47. riverhorsey says: Dec 11, 2011 6:32 PM

    NFL refs get paid off just like NBA refs

  48. packhawk04 says: Dec 11, 2011 6:34 PM

    “do you think aaron rodgers wouldve gotten that call?”

    No, since the same thing happened in 09 in the playoffs to him and it wasnt called. I know youd love to think the pack get the calls, but you dont have to sound like a complete moron.

  49. fmlizard says: Dec 11, 2011 6:35 PM

    Vikes are bad but they might be the best 2-11 team in recent memory. With just a small handful of breaks they could easily be .500.

    Two weeks in a row in which they massively outgained their opponent and lost.

  50. gosuhgo says: Dec 11, 2011 6:45 PM

    I’m thinking maybe Cliff was trying to prevent any sort of fake spike or quick snap or anything like that. He figured that it’s going to be right there anyways so he’ll stop the clock on his own terms. I’m not saying it’s smart but that was my take on it.

  51. thousandcasts says: Dec 11, 2011 6:56 PM

    …and the weekly Lions whining on here continues.

    Considering how many times the refs have punked the Lions on this call or that call, who cares if the refs missed one.

  52. gdeli says: Dec 11, 2011 7:00 PM

    rodgers doesn’t have to worry about that since they usualy win by 20 points! vikes suck and a good team doesn’t have to worry. trade ap for many players/picks and trade ponder. dump the terrible secondary with sanford and asher allen.

  53. fwippel says: Dec 11, 2011 7:04 PM

    That was a horrible miss by the refs, just awful. There’s no excuse for missing that. The Vikings fought like hell after Ponder bumbled the game away, and to have that taken away by a crap no-call, just awful.

  54. vikingprideforever says: Dec 11, 2011 7:38 PM

    8th loss this year by 7 pts or less………… stud tackle, or stud wr, or stud db in draft……….wild card contenders next year

  55. coleman121280 says: Dec 11, 2011 7:42 PM

    vikingsinla says:
    Dec 11, 2011 5:56 PM
    johnnycash19 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM

    Detroit was missing half of their defense as well.
    Fairly
    Suh
    Lawrence Jackson
    Justin Durant and Aaron Berry both went out
    Louis Delmas
    Chris Houston.

    ________

    Minny was missing Adrian Peterson, who trumps all those guys and then some.

    You were saying?

    –============——-==========——-==

    Couldn’t of said it any better!

  56. truthserum4u says: Dec 11, 2011 7:45 PM

    doowix says:Dec 11, 2011 4:54 PM

    Good non-call. Would have been a weak facemask penalty and the ball had already been fumbled so it had no impact on the outcome of the play.
    ————————————–
    Doesn’t matter if it directly affected the play or not. It’s because it’s dangerous and can injur someone that it’s called, even away from the play. Besides, how do you know that Webb doesn’t have a chance to recover it if he isn’t facemasked?

    @ johnnycash19 & winbabywin

    The Vikings were also missing nearly their entire defensive backfield. I think that evens out the injury excuses.

    @ gbfanforever & packhawk04

    Difference is Rodgers’ facemask was grabbed but not yanked or pulled, which is still legal as the NFL explained on that play. Webb’s head was clearly yanked.

    @ stellarperformance

    I think GB had their chance twice that season to show they were better and got the snot knocked out of them twice by the Vikings. The bad call in the Cardinal game was the missed helmet to helmet, not the non-facemask.

  57. truthserum4u says: Dec 11, 2011 8:14 PM

    I saw it on replay and didn’t even notice the fumble because I was watching Webb’s head get jerked to the side. What made this call really bad is that it was out in the open. The difference between calls earlier in the game and later is the later calls are a more obvious to the possible change in the outcome. However, you’re probably not even in the position of losing if you don’t turn the ball over 6 times.

    Mike, you would have one messed up team if you based your starters on one game performamces. Ponder, while experiencing typical rookie struggles, has looked very good at times & good at others. He clearly has the over-all grasp of the position & potential to be a very good starter in the league. Webb shows flashes.

    To those who claim Ponder’s performance today is a sign of his future; may I remind you the other QB in today’s game threw 20 picks in 10 games his rookie season. For that matter, Peyton Manning threw 28 his rookie year, 16 in his first 8 games and Troy Aikman threw 18 his rookie season, 13 in the first 8 games. Ponder has 11 in 8 games.

  58. jerrykill4pres says: Dec 11, 2011 8:22 PM

    Soulman45 says:
    Dec 11, 2011 4:52 PM
    Frist to say
    THE GREAT DETROIT LIONS keep rolling along to a win in the Super Bowl.

    ————————————————

    I think this guy just confirmed what Jared Allen said this past week about Detroit! And basically makes me wonder how delusional their fans really are!

    Soulman45… I think your forgetting a team in the NFC Norris that seems to enjoy putting their foot on the opposing teams neck before the ball is even kicked off! The Packers! You almost lost to a 2-10 (at the time) team.. Your Mighty Motor City Kitties… The lions stink! They are garbage! Almost losing to the Vikings make the lions bad… Real bad!

    You have to remember, you almost lost to a team that turned the ball over what 5 times? Your team is garbage if you get 5 turnovers, and rely on a last second fumble to win. If the Vikings would give the Packers 5 turn overs do you realize it would be 140-3 in favor of GB… Good teams don’t almost lose when they win the turnover battle like that!

    If the lions make the playoffs, and that’s a big if… they are one and done…

  59. truthserum4u says: Dec 11, 2011 8:22 PM

    Just saw a close-up of the facemask. The defender knocked the ball losse and during the continuation of his hand following thru he immediately grabbed the mask. The ball was right there by the facemask! So even if the refs are watching the ball to determine if it was a forward pass they would almost have to see the facemask.

    You don’t know if this would have changed the outcome of the game or not, but I feel more sorry for the other teams fighting for a playoff spot than the Vikings, where a victory really doesn’t mean a whole lot. I do like how they keep playing hard though.

  60. glink123 says: Dec 11, 2011 8:24 PM

    Sterling7, I agree with every single word you said. I think it’s time for this franchise to pack up and leave. The arrogance of the elected city officials of Minneapolis will be mentioned for the next 50 years when people from that city talk about the days when they used to have an NFL franchise.

  61. tdrundmc says: Dec 11, 2011 8:35 PM

    the lions got way too conservative with their play calling. scott linehan is a turd.

  62. truthserum4u says: Dec 11, 2011 9:20 PM

    I noticed a lot of Detroit fans bringing up all the bad calls that went against them over the years. Your team’s record over the last 10 years is 39-121! Their record for the five years before that was 36-44; and that included two winning seasons and a .500 season.

    Cripes! Just how many bad calls went against you guys!

  63. cusoman says: Dec 11, 2011 9:33 PM

    brutix03 says:
    Dec 11, 2011 4:57 PM
    Don’t forget about the facemask and block in the back that weren’t called on minnesota earlier on the game. I like how you only focused on the part that makes detroit look dirty!
    —————-
    Gee I don’t know, maybe because those calls didn’t have such a major impact on the outcome of the game? Detroit IS dirty and only Lions fans won’t admit that because you’re so blindsided by a winning season that none of you can remember how good teams win games in reality (and I’m not talking about this game in particular either, Vikes deserved to lose with all those turnovers).

  64. lionsfan54 says: Dec 11, 2011 9:42 PM

    The face mask was grabbed AFTER the ball came out. Even if it gets called, the Lions have possesion and the game is over.

    You really think they would stop a play in progress and award the ball back the Vikes?

    Go learn the rules.

    Amazing how they could stop the Lions pass rush all day without holding once. /sarcasm

  65. gb4mn0 says: Dec 11, 2011 9:43 PM

    Why are all you lavender Larry’s doing all this bellyaching? What difference does it make? This 3rd rate expansion franchise failure is on it’s way to LA so why all the fuss?

    And to think the vikequeens could be leaving town after going 2-14 setting the low point bench mark of abject failure befitting of the 51 year history of futility that marks the legacy of this team.

  66. madmike66 says: Dec 11, 2011 9:56 PM

    Worst call of the day, but typical for a Vikes fan to have to endure.

    BTW, I love that the Lions “fans” are going nuts and dropping the word “superbowl” for a 8-5 team that is clawing their way towards a wild card berth. Your franchise has to suck for an awful long time to get that excited over so little.

    Then again, this year is probably the first time any self confessed Lions fan has ever posted a comment on PFT or anywhere else on the internet. Maybe that is because the Lions have won the division a whopping one time since the world wide web was launched.

  67. flipadelphia says: Dec 11, 2011 10:01 PM

    coleman121280 says: Dec 11, 2011 7:42 PM

    vikingsinla says:
    Dec 11, 2011 5:56 PM
    johnnycash19 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM

    Detroit was missing half of their defense as well.
    Fairly
    Suh
    Lawrence Jackson
    Justin Durant and Aaron Berry both went out
    Louis Delmas
    Chris Houston.

    ________

    Minny was missing Adrian Peterson, who trumps all those guys and then some.

    You were saying?

    –============——-==========——-==

    Couldn’t of said it any better!
    ———————————————-

    Did you forget the Vikes got beat twice this year by the Lions? The first game you had Peterson. How’d that work out for you?

    Get real. Heres hoping you sign Ponder to a long long contract….

  68. houseofspears90 says: Dec 11, 2011 10:11 PM

    paulieorkid says:Dec 11, 2011 4:52 PM

    How do the refs miss that call? It’s the QB with the ball on a compressed field? It was obvious in real time. It was painfully even more obvious on replay.

    Unreal.

    Had the refs called that play properly, Minnesota has first and goal at the 18 inch line – for the win. Instead, Detroit gets a tainted win — and this unfairly compromises other NFC teams’ Wild Card positioning, and may result in missing the playoffs altogether.
    **********************************************
    Yeah but everyone was completely ok with the Lions losing to the 49ers by one yard with the refs giving them an extra 5 yards on the spot after the punt return. Everyone said “it shouldn’t have come down to that call” and all other BS, but now that the Lions got away with one it is a “sham” and everything. The ball was knocked out before the facemask so the facemask didn’t affect the outcome at all. About time the Lions benefits from some calls.

  69. barroomhero80 says: Dec 11, 2011 10:25 PM

    lions are still irrelevant and crappy.

  70. purplepete24 says: Dec 11, 2011 10:28 PM

    lionsfan54 says:
    Dec 11, 2011 9:42 PM
    The face mask was grabbed AFTER the ball came out. Even if it gets called, the Lions have possesion and the game is over.

    You really think they would stop a play in progress and award the ball back the Vikes?

    Go learn the rules.

    Please know the rules before you blast others…

    Artical 13 – When a defensive foul occurs during a running play (Webb had not passed the ball yet) and the run in which the foul occurs is followed by a change of possesion, the spot of enforcement is the spot of the foul and ball REVERTS TO THE OFFENSIVE TEAM.

    Since the half or game cannot end on a defensive penalty, Minnesota would have gained possesion of the ball, been given half the distance to the gaol and allowed to run one more play.

    Did I learn the rules enough?

  71. winbabywin says: Dec 11, 2011 11:15 PM

    Unbelievable that that face mask was not called. Say all you want about good teams winning despite botched calls, but the history of the Vikes is RIDDLED with terrible calls and non-calls that are almost always ones that cost the Vikings the game.

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    So let me get this straight, you are complaining to LIONS fans about the unfortunate history of the vikings? Hmmmm . . . we feel so bad for you.

  72. pack13queens0 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:35 PM

    Even if the facemask was called, the Vikings wouldn’t have gotten into the endzone anyway. They lost this game on their own.

  73. PanchoHerreraFanClub says: Dec 12, 2011 12:26 AM

    Was it just me but didn’t Webb fumble because his face mask was being yanked?

  74. rubberinnertube says: Dec 12, 2011 12:45 AM

    vikesinla, you are an idiot. please disassociate yourself from the rest of us as Vikings fans. your comments do nothing but embarrass us.

    Barkley in the draft is the most assinine thing I’ve ever heard.

    good thing you will never be an NFL GM.

  75. truthserum4u says: Dec 12, 2011 1:00 AM

    @ houseofspears90

    The difference is the Vikings’ fans are complaining about not having another chance at winning, not that they would have won the game if the foul had been called correctly.

    After the Detroit/San Fran game, Lions fans claimed they would have won if the ball had been correctly spotted. But the 49ers called plays in accordance with where the refs spotted the ball. If it had been moved back the appropriate five yards they may have and probably would have called different plays, which may have lead to the winning points anyways.

  76. lks311 says: Dec 12, 2011 1:11 AM

    PanchoHerreraFanClub says:
    Dec 12, 2011 12:26 AM
    Was it just me but didn’t Webb fumble because his face mask was being yanked?
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    It was just you.

  77. megatron1120 says: Dec 12, 2011 1:45 AM

    You lion haters are so annoying! okay we had a face mask, i understand that, but how many times have the lions gotten bs calls or have had penalties committed by other teams that were not called for them? i think its about time the lions finally get something overlooked! Need i remind u all of the BS call for the Calvon johnson catch in Chicago? Good lord u people just love to hate on the lions. Go detroit!

  78. hitnbombs28 says: Dec 12, 2011 3:01 AM

    sterling7 says: Dec 11, 2011 5:49 PM

    The Minnesota Vikings have three players, Adrian Peterson, Jared Allen and Percy Harvin, everyone else including the entire coaching staff and front office need to go!!!

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    Gave thumbs down because I think that Randolph kid can be a playa.

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    Gave you THUMBS DOWN cause his name is Rudolph with a “U”, not Randolph. Its not even like the U and A are even close to each other on the keyboard.

    I’m a life long Vikes fan But I gotta admit that the ball was out before the face mask was grabbed on that last play. Any of you fools that thinks other wise are just that, and should get your eye’s checked. I don’t mind fans bitchin as long as its legit. But that was a fumble so it still should have been Lions ball with a 15yd penalty enforced after the change of possesion.

  79. hitnbombs28 says: Dec 12, 2011 3:13 AM

    Just watched it again in slow mo and you can clearly see that the defender pulls Webb’s right hand off the ball causing him to loose it before the face mask was touched. I was able to see that when ,Enabling Sexual Predators Network, showed it the first time with out slow motion highlights. IJS

  80. bigboi30 says: Dec 12, 2011 4:45 AM

    Wow, we win, were dirty, we loose and its because were dirty. All you cry baby wannabe fans can take your hillbilly, inbread a$$ back to the doublewide. Who cares about good calls, bad calls, and even no calls? Oh yeah you pansy, flag-football, “its to physical”. Go watch soccee
    I

  81. 3ghostninja says: Dec 12, 2011 7:16 AM

    “The ball was knocked out before the facemask so the facemask didn’t affect the outcome at all. About time the Lions benefits from some calls.”

    Is this true? If the facemask happens after the fumble? Would the Lions have had to establish possession in this case? I’m a little unclear on that — like intentional grounding from the end zone. I think I know what the call would be, but I’m just not 100% sure because I’ve never seen that happen.

    I admit I haven’t seen the replay, nor did I notice the facemask when it happened. I was too busy wondering if they were going to boot the ball all the way down to the other end zone.

  82. theytukrjobs says: Dec 12, 2011 8:02 AM

    The thing that sucks is that since it was first and goal from the 1 with 9 seconds, and because the Lions are a very dirty team, they are probably instructed in those instances to pull the facemask of the ball carrier if you aren’t sure you can tackle them short of the goal.

  83. MossMoon2Packers says: Dec 12, 2011 8:59 AM

    Your back-handed slap against Ponder is stupid. He’s a rookie playing behind a terrible O-line with crappy receivers. Plus, he didn’t practice much this week and clearly felt the effects of last week’s hip pointer.

    The kid is gonna be a quality NFL QB. No doubt about that.

  84. ejmat2 says: Dec 12, 2011 9:24 AM

    doowix says:
    Dec 11, 2011 4:54 PM
    Good non-call. Would have been a weak facemask penalty and the ball had already been fumbled so it had no impact on the outcome of the play
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    Really???? Did you actually watch the same play the rest of us did? You must be Roger Goodell or Mike Periera.

  85. technovike says: Dec 12, 2011 9:44 AM

    So, im confused on the last play,
    had they called the facemask, the ball was already loose, but i would argue the face mask prevented Webb from recovering the ball. at the time of the penalty (had it been called) the ball was not recovered by anyone, like a fumble going out of bounds does the ball not go to the offense or last team to possess the ball? Therefor 15 yard penalty or half the distance to the goal line, and one more play because the game cannot end on a defensive penalty.

    But its been explained to me this is not the case since the lions had recovered the ball the penalty would have been walked back from where it was recovered and it would have been Lions ball. Even if Minnesota had recovered it, they would have tacked on the penalty back to where they recovered it.

    Either way Minnesota got away with a couple wins like this a couple years ago, so in the end it seems to even out. This was an awesome game, i thought it was going to be a blowout after Ponder spotted the lions 14-21 points.

    I have my doubts about Ponder making the exact same mistakes 3 weeks in a row now, i thought this guy was supposed to be intelligent? He just cant make those hard throws an NFL QB needs to make. Something Webb has the potential of doing but needs more time to be more accurate. i think you can teach accuracy but you cant learn to throw harder, which has me conclude that Ponder might not be the guy after all.

  86. MossMoon2Packers says: Dec 12, 2011 10:51 AM

    There’s no doubt that the ball came loose just before Webb was face-masked. So, there’s no issue that Webb fumbled and the face-masking did not cause that. However, the real issue is whether Webb would have been able to recover the fumble had he not been face-masked. Judging from the fact that Webb twice got his hands on the ball anyway, it makes sense that he would have recovered his fumble had he not been face-masked. With possession again near the Lions’ goal-line (after the face-masking penalty is enforced), the Vikings would have had a legitimate chance to score a game-winning TD.

  87. bcar1023 says: Dec 12, 2011 11:22 AM

    Well, the missed facemask call on Pettigrew was just as obvious and missed as well. The announcers even called it out. Add that to the also pointed out phantom first down and you have yourselves a balanced equation. If Viking fans want to complain, direct it towards the offense that did everything in its power to turn the ball over as often as it could. You can’t win by throwing TD’s to the opposing team.

  88. purplepete24 says: Dec 12, 2011 11:39 AM

    When the foul occured, there had not yet been a change of possesion. If Detroit had recovered the ball and then the facemask occured, the penaly would have been enforced and the ball remain with Detroit. Since there was not a change of posession when the foul occured (it was fumbled, but not recovered by Detroit), the ball would have reverted back to Minnesota, the penalty enforced from the spot of the foul, and Minnesota would be given an untimed down, since the half or game cannot end on a defensive penalty.

  89. vikingdoode says: Dec 12, 2011 3:29 PM

    Not that I would cry over spilled milk but I coach my son’s youth football team and one of our signature saying is never allow the ref to decide the game for you. Don’t fumble the ball, DON’T ALLOW THE INT’S, two defense of touchdowns.

    Sorry but Vikings beat themselves…My opinion on the Lions if they get in the playoffs one and done. progress but whoppty Fing do

  90. truvikingfan says: Dec 12, 2011 6:50 PM

    What I find funny is that everyone is complaining about a missed facemask call (and rightfully, in my opinion), but only a handfull of posts mention 6 turnovers. If we (the Vikes) are not as careless with the football, we win that game.

    With that said….we didn’t take care of the ball, our QB played like crap, made HORRIBLE decisions, and our defense (granted they were put in disasterous field positions) showed half way thru the game.

    On a positive note…..Harvin=W-A-R-R-I-O-R!!!!

  91. truthserum4u says: Dec 12, 2011 9:20 PM

    For all you people who keep stating the facemask occurred after the fumble and for those who keep stating Detroit recovered the fumble so they had the ball, please read the two comments posted by purplepete24. He is a absolutely, positively, 100% correct!!

    Here they are; read them and be better informed.

    Artical 13 – When a defensive foul occurs during a running play (Webb had not passed the ball yet) and the run in which the foul occurs is followed by a change of possesion, the spot of enforcement is the spot of the foul and ball REVERTS TO THE OFFENSIVE TEAM.

    When the foul occured, there had not yet been a change of possesion. If Detroit had recovered the ball and then the facemask occured, the penaly would have been enforced and the ball remain with Detroit. Since there was not a change of posession when the foul occured (it was fumbled, but not recovered by Detroit), the ball would have reverted back to Minnesota, the penalty enforced from the spot of the foul, and Minnesota would be given an untimed down, since the half or game cannot end on a defensive penalty.

    Thanks Pete!

  92. ybo1 says: Dec 14, 2011 11:04 AM

    If the Lions want to be a playoff team they need to clean up thier act. The Vikings, even with thier bad record, have kept most games close and have lost most of them by less than 7 points, which means a bounce of the ball loss most of those games. I like the Lions, and would like to see them succeed, but with all the mistakes they make, and letting a team that is not having a great year come into thier house and almost beat them, is saying a lot for them. I say the Lions don’t deserve to go to the playoffs this year. I do think both teams got “away” with bad calls, it just so happens the Viking’s ‘non call” lost them the game…

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