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Robert Griffin III a better prospect than Andrew Luck in some eyes

Baylor University quarterback Griffin III, holds the Heisman Trophy during a news conference after winning the award in New York Reuters

Andrew Luck has been penciled in as the top pick in the 2012 NFL draft since the day he announced he wouldn’t enter the 2011 NFL draft. But that doesn’t mean every personnel evaluator sees Luck as college football’s top pro prospect.

Robert Griffin III, the Baylor quarterback who beat out Luck for the Heisman Trophy, has so much promise that one NFL personnel director told ESPN’s Adam Schefter that there are people around the league who prefer Griffin to Luck. Schefter spoke to two other personnel directors, one who described Griffin as a surefire first-round pick, and another who said he’ll go in the Top 15.

It’s easy to see why scouts would fall in love with Griffin: His passing numbers are ridiculous, with a 72.4 percent completion rate, an average of 10.4 yards a pass, and 36 touchdowns to only six interceptions. And there’s never been a quarterback who has Griffin’s athleticism: If he had decided to focus on track and field instead of football, he’d probably be on the U.S. Olympic team as a hurdler. Griffin enrolled at Baylor during the spring semester after graduating high school early, and at age 17 he won the 400-meter hurdles at the Big 12 Conference Championship.

This doesn’t mean, of course, that Griffin will be the first pick in the 2012 draft. What other personnel directors think doesn’t matter, as far as who goes first overall. What matters is what the Colts think, and all indications are that the Colts think Luck is the logical successor to Peyton Manning. And it’s also not even clear that Griffin will enter the 2012 draft. He says he hasn’t made up his mind yet.

But when Griffin does enter the NFL draft, he’s going to be a very high pick. And he might just be the best future pro of anyone currently playing college football.

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  1. trbowman says: Dec 11, 2011 11:08 AM

    Lol!

    RG3 isn’t even the second best QB prospect in this class. Ryan Tannehill is.

    RG3 is going to be overdrafted. People need to stop box score scouting him and realize he comes out of the same air raid offense Graham Harrel did

    He’s a great talent, but struggles with accuracy (and don’t even think about pointing to completion percentage to dispute it) and has huge issues b/w hashes.

  2. trbowman says: Dec 11, 2011 11:09 AM

    The steal of this draft will be Tannehill, depending on where he’s taken. As well as Russell Wilson.

    People can point to Wilson’s size but fact is the guy is already playing behind an NFL sized line at Wisconsin. If he were four inches taller he’d be a first round lock.

    I expect Russell Wilson to be a huge steal.

  3. messageboard2 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:10 AM

    Come on. Michael Vick when he came out had as much athleticism if not more than Griffin. A little hyperbole.

  4. trollhammer20 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:12 AM

    Lots of QB-needy teams near the top of the board. I doubt this guy will get past the top 10, but if Seattle can somehow land either him or Barkley, I’d be seriously stoked.

  5. isphet71 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:12 AM

    I’m glad that I don’t have to stake my current job on having to decide between Luck and Griffin. That decision almost single-handedly determines the fate of the Colts for the next decade or so.

    No pressure, though.

  6. silverbuffalo says: Dec 11, 2011 11:14 AM

    An the fall (out of love) with Luck begins

  7. transam7816 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:15 AM

    Colts will pick Luck. Won’t have to change the system too much

  8. diamondduq says: Dec 11, 2011 11:15 AM

    I remember when Ryan Leaf was “a better prospect than” Peyton Manning “in some eyes” too!

  9. onenobodyonlyknows says: Dec 11, 2011 11:16 AM

    This guy Is gonna be “unbelievable believable” in the Nfl.

  10. bettis3636 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:17 AM

    Luck has a good situation waiting for him.. but no QB is a sure thing.. do the 2004 draft over again… U think the Giants would have traded Phillip Rivers still?… QB’s are a hit and miss… wish them both the best of luck…

  11. laurinaitis4mvp55 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:17 AM

    RG3!!!!!!!

  12. maddogwhite says: Dec 11, 2011 11:18 AM

    This posting is just to create conversation. You can take it to the bank that Andrew Luck is the #1 pick and there’s not a GM out there that would draft otherwise.

    It has nothing to do with how well RGIII played this year. Luck’s #1 status was never based on his college performance. It was ALWAYS based on how the “experts” felt his game would translate to the NFL.

  13. mvpolamalu says: Dec 11, 2011 11:18 AM

    I love griffin as a prospect and see him as a mini cam newton with a bigger arm.. But thats over the top

  14. supremeomega says: Dec 11, 2011 11:19 AM

    If I’m the Colts I trade Luck, sit Griffin until Manning hangs them up. Use the picks to draft needed talent on defense. Hopefully you can make another run at a SB. Once Manning quits you have a successor an have avoided a media circus. Griffin likely could use a year or two to watch and learn the pro style offense.

    I think both Luck and Griffin will be top 5 QBs at some point in their careers. But Luck is ready to play from day one. I’m sure the Colts could get a 2 and 3 this year and maybe a 1 next year. Indy doesn’t need two franchise QBs, they need defensive talent and to replace several aging an overpaid vets!

  15. bigjdve says: Dec 11, 2011 11:19 AM

    I would love to see him in a Redskins uniform, much more than any of the other QB in the draft. I have been saying this since the OK game.

  16. devinmr711 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:20 AM

    If the Colts take Griffin, who takes Luck????

  17. permiepoo says: Dec 11, 2011 11:22 AM

    Ryan Leaf a better prospect than Peyton Manning in some eyes

  18. fittytuckin says: Dec 11, 2011 11:23 AM

    He’d look good in a Texan jersey

  19. thatdudewiththemarauder says: Dec 11, 2011 11:24 AM

    I knew this would happen. RG3 would be a better fit for the Colts instead of Luck. The Colts could hang on to Mr. Manning for a couple more years. I am a Redskins fan. How could they talk about trading the player that built the franchise? Luck will be a good QB, but he is not Mr. Manning. I don’t even know Manning and I am giving him more respect than the Colts are. I would love if my Skins could draft either one of the guys. I just want a QB!!

  20. tailgatersanimal says: Dec 11, 2011 11:32 AM

    Stop It

  21. trbowman says: Dec 11, 2011 11:33 AM

    RG3 wows with his highlights, ESPN hype and people who just stare at box scores, but Ryan Tannehill is the better pro prospect.

    RG3′s short/intermediate accuracy needs major work, and has problems deciphering info b/w the hashes.

  22. trbowman says: Dec 11, 2011 11:34 AM

    Any GM who would take him over Luck is insane

  23. jfsargent3 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:34 AM

    I hope he falls to Miami. I’m thinking the Dolphins will have a pick between 7 and 14, which is exactly where RG3 will fall. Matt Moore is solid and I love his game, but he’s not the franchise QB that Griffin will become.

  24. quadassio says: Dec 11, 2011 11:36 AM

    A black QB would never be a better prospect than a white. Luck best receiver was a TE. Nuff Said!

  25. packerman1968 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:39 AM

    Breaking News………………..

    Archie Manning is behind the talk about RG3.

  26. briang123 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:40 AM

    Jake Plummer thought he thanked God way too much during his Heisman speech.

  27. eaglessuperfan says: Dec 11, 2011 11:48 AM

    He will be in Philadelphia next year if the Andy Reid is still the coach. There is no way the eagles pass on him with what they did with the Kolb/Vick choice. They know too well that vick may not be the answer and Reid would wet himself if he had the chance to mold this guy.

  28. wvuandsteelers says: Dec 11, 2011 11:51 AM

    I don’t think he is better than Luck, but do agree he will be a 1st rounder. I think he is a better prospect than Locker , Gabbert or Ponder who all went high last year. I think the real argument is who comes off the board 2nd–RG3 or Barkley?

    The real loser is Landry Jones who will now probably need to come back to OU for one more year (which is clearly good for Sooner fans).

  29. johnnyjagfan says: Dec 11, 2011 11:52 AM

    If y’all didn’t put “In Some Eyes” in that headline, I’d jump all over this like everyone else. People, breathe. We got football today!

  30. gbfanforever says: Dec 11, 2011 11:52 AM

    “People need to stop box score scouting him and realize he comes out of the same air raid offense Graham Harrel did”

    So what? Graham Harrell just got signed to the Packers active roster and looks like a nice prospect. I also heard similar “system QB” references once upon a time about the guy Harrell is backing up.

  31. icewalker946 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:53 AM

    Cam Newton effect.

  32. mmcdan133 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:55 AM

    On paper, and I stress…on paper, this a damn good QB class. Luck, Griffin, Barkley, Jones, Tannehill, with some interesting 2nd-3rd round guys in Kirk Cousins, Brandon Weeden, and Russell Wilson. I’m glad I don’t have to weed through them and try to figure out who’s going to make it and who’s going to bust.

  33. Andre's Johnson says: Dec 11, 2011 11:56 AM

    I wonder if a lot of commenters here have seen Griffin play in live game action. I’m no Baylor honk, but this dude is good. Really good. Look at the success Newton and Tebow are having right now. And look at the non-success young “pocket passers” are having (Gabbert, Ponder, etc.). Even Andy Dalton isn’t an old-school passer; he’s mobile and athletic.

    I’m not saying this is the wave of the future; it’s not. None of these guys will be as good as Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning, but they can be successful in the NFL.

    Griffin strikes me as a cross between a less-polarizing Tebow, a more sincere and less morally corrupt Newton, and a less dog-killing Vick.

    I love me some Robert Griffin.

  34. couldntthinkofaname says: Dec 11, 2011 12:05 PM

    RG3 wows with his highlights, ESPN hype and people who just stare at box scores, but Ryan Tannehill is the better pro prospect.

    RG3′s short/intermediate accuracy needs major work, and has problems deciphering info b/w the hashes.

    _________________________

    Ryan Tannehil, huh? 2nd best QB in this draft? Quit spamming the board, Browns fan. Grown ups are talking.

  35. goldrush36 says: Dec 11, 2011 12:08 PM

    Shut up trbow. You thought Clausen was the best thing since sliced bread. How’d that work out?

  36. bigjdve says: Dec 11, 2011 12:10 PM

    I have liked Griffin more because he wins the games he has to win. Look at his games against Texas and OK, just this year.

    Forget his box score, it is irrelevant. Look at the fact that he found a way to win. That is more important than stats.

    Marino had better stats than Montana, however who was the better QB? While Marino is one of the greats, 4 rings beats 1 loss any day.

    As a Redskins fan, a QB needs to be able to perform with questionable talent around him, find a way to when, and be able to run away from defenders trying to kill him.

    Luck while good, still has some issues with the games he has to win, OSU this year is an example.

    Luck might be the best QB coming out, however he won’t fit the get hit, get hit some more, and get hit even more of the redskins.

  37. coderacer says: Dec 11, 2011 12:12 PM

    I love this guy. Just as smart as Luck, bigger arm, just as accurate and way more athletic. If I’m the Colts, I trade down, pick him, and shore up the rest of my team with the extra picks…..He sits for a couple years learning behind Peyton manning.

    Luck is not the be-all, end-all…Rg3 has a way higher ceiling.

  38. cannonballdookie says: Dec 11, 2011 12:14 PM

    bettis3636 says: Dec 11, 2011 11:17 AM

    Luck has a good situation waiting for him.. but no QB is a sure thing.. do the 2004 draft over again… U think the Giants would have traded Phillip Rivers still?… QB’s are a hit and miss… wish them both the best of luck
    ———————————————-

    I think they are more than happy with Eli. They got a Super Bowl win with him and he’s yet to miss a start. They are usually in the hunt with him every year, I’d say mission accomplished.

  39. worldwidebleater says: Dec 11, 2011 12:15 PM

    Redskins fans will be happy if we can get any of the top3 QB’s.

  40. dan39564 says: Dec 11, 2011 12:16 PM

    Remember historically the Heisman is a kiss of death for QB’s! Over 80% of winners have failed as NFL QB’s.
    Cam Newton and Tim Tebow need five years to beat that trend.

  41. kayakattack says: Dec 11, 2011 12:18 PM

    Stop with Tannehill nonsense .. He’s a mid round prospect, who is hit or miss.. Depending on how his pre-draft work outs go, he still might not crack the 1st round.. He’s interesting, but he’s not better than Luck or RG-Cubed.

    And to whoever brought up the black qb argument, you are a moron .. Remember Andre Ware, Akili Smith, Tommie Frazier, Steve McNair, Culpepper, Vick, Newton, .. All top prospects at one point or another…

  42. kayakattack says: Dec 11, 2011 12:24 PM

    RG-cubed is very accurate .. 72.3% tells me all i need to know about in-game accuracy.. Look at Blaine Gabbert, he’s a very accurate guy in workouts, drills, etc.. Prior to the draft, he seemed like the better choice to Newton, because he was smarter, had great arm strength and was far more accurate than newton.. Throw in some real game situations, he’s been awful with completing passes.. Guys like Newton, have a better feel for the real-life field of play. Same can be said of RGIII at I think at this point

  43. coderacer says: Dec 11, 2011 12:27 PM

    To compare Leaf to Manning is a moronic leap in any case. Their mental make ups are vastly different…one guy is disciplined and smart, while the other felt entitled and picked on…

    Based on that alone, RG3 will not be a bust.

  44. pilot2011 says: Dec 11, 2011 12:39 PM

    I think this is one of the best qb classes in a while. Luck and Griffin are going to be great in NFL… Look at Newton, Griffin, and even Luck to some extent, the best athlete on the field is now playing quarterback.

    I think Russel Wilson can be a great nfl qb too.

  45. raiderredleg says: Dec 11, 2011 12:41 PM

    Luck is going to the Colts…Do not look any further than Dan Ovrlosky as their starting QB.

    Drafting a QB is such a crap shoot (coming from Raider fan I know…Especially watching the Todd Marinovich 30 for 30 last night).

    I will say RGIII carries himself very well and comes from a strong background (parents both military). He definitely is smart enough to handle the pressure of being a #1 draft pick at the QB position.

    If I was a team needing a QB in the first round I would jump to take him over Tannehill (who imploded against a Texas team that RGIII went wild on) or Landry Jones (who disappeared when Ryan Broyles went down).

    Matt Barkley might have a bit more upside, but I would have to hate to choose between the two.

    BTW…Brandon Weeden out of Okie State in the late first round/early second would be a steal.

  46. jdandcoke says: Dec 11, 2011 12:46 PM

    somebody earlier asked if the giants would have traded rivers again if they could do the draft over. uh, yeah, they would. now if you asked them if they could go back in time and take big ben….

  47. cgarsmoker says: Dec 11, 2011 12:49 PM

    The thing that makes Cam good is his work ethic and desire to win. It is actually the trait about Cam that surprised me the most. Physical qualities are great but it’s the heart that separates good QB’s from the elite players.

  48. jvillenole says: Dec 11, 2011 12:50 PM

    @kayak

    Way to early to compare Newton and Gabbert. Newton has the same QB coach who made David Garrard look great. Gabbert’s QB coach was actually a WR coach. Newton has Steve Smith, Gabbert has….um nobody! Also, don’t forget that the Panthers and Jags have the same record!

    Give it a few years.

    Barkley is the best QB in college football, hands down. He has been professionally coached in a pro-style offense since his 9th grade in high school.

  49. yettyskills says: Dec 11, 2011 1:03 PM

    The stupidity of people amazes me, it’s as if they just watch stats and not study what RGIII and Luck do in the pocket.

    The only thing RGIII does better than Luck is run faster. Thats it.

    RGIII has never been asked, or attempted to make more than 2 reads.
    EVER

    His offense is read 1, read 2 then throw or run.

    Right now RGIII make reads as well as Tim Tebow. anyone who says he should go ahead of Luck is a know-nothing lil boy watching stats.

  50. yettyskills says: Dec 11, 2011 1:06 PM

    Anyone else remember when Omar Jacobs was able to put up a 40 TD 4 INT 4000 yard season in this type of offense?

    Where is Omar now?

  51. profootballwalk says: Dec 11, 2011 1:21 PM

    This is coming teams 2-5 who want Luck to fall to them. So RGIII is fast – it’s the wrong skill for a QB. Make him a receiver and it might help.

  52. croghan1919 says: Dec 11, 2011 1:25 PM

    devinmr711 says:
    Dec 11, 2011 11:20 AM

    If the Colts take Griffin, who takes Luck????
    ————————————————-
    Who’s picking 2nd?

    and Oh… that aint gonna happen.

  53. wtfchiefs says: Dec 11, 2011 1:50 PM

    That guy that keeps cheerleading for Tannehill in his comments needs his computer taken away from him.

  54. cosanostra71 says: Dec 11, 2011 2:01 PM

    Ryan Tannehill? Really? That guy has a better future as a wide receiver than he does as a quarterback.

  55. thekingdave says: Dec 11, 2011 2:17 PM

    @trbowman

    Way to make virtually the same post as you did on CFT. I’ll sum up my original response
    A) You obviously don’t watch football
    B) Most teams run variations of the spread in college, this one isn’t a carbon copy of the Tech offense (Ganaway 1300 rushing yards)
    C) Ryan Tannehill? Refer to point A

  56. zachityyak says: Dec 11, 2011 2:18 PM

    I love that some poor, deluded Aggie fan comes on here and pumps Ryan Tannehill as the second best QB prospect in the draft. Tell me: Are you the guy who told me several years ago that Reggie McNeal was better than Vince Young, and some years later that Stephen McGee was better than Colt McCoy? Have fun between Ole Miss and Vanderbilt in the SEC standings.

  57. Nevis says: Dec 11, 2011 2:28 PM

    He’ll be one hell of a QB in Canada.

  58. jdillydawg says: Dec 11, 2011 3:13 PM

    What’s up with the Tannehill love fest? He’s good, but only good enough to take his team to 6 & 6. The Aggies were touted as one of the best teams at the beginning of the season. A great quarterback leads his team to victory, not mediocrity.

  59. tide4life says: Dec 11, 2011 6:44 PM

    Congrats to you, RG3, and good luck!

  60. whyalwaysthehate says: Dec 11, 2011 8:23 PM

    RG3 had a better year than Luck and was rewarded. Congtats. But, RG3 is a little small which potentially makes him one dimensional and leading me to believe he will get hammered in the pros. His speed is not in the class of Vick. Vick could not be stopped in college.

    Tying Luck’s fortune to RG3 is another matter. I wouldn’t unless you just want to compare draft positions. It would be no surprise to me to see Luck either sit behind and watch or get hammered, like Bradford is today. I think Bradford is the true comparison with Luck and the far better QB.

    Barkley anyone??

  61. 1historian says: Dec 11, 2011 10:46 PM

    UI forg3t his first name other than that it is NOT Calvin , but there is a QB playing for Kansas State last name Klein who is pretty good.

    We’re starting the annual draft stuff earlier than ever. That’s good.

  62. gmen1987 says: Dec 12, 2011 2:18 PM

    supremeomega says:
    Dec 11, 2011 11:19 AM
    If I’m the Colts I trade Luck, sit Griffin until Manning hangs them up. Use the picks to draft needed talent on defense. Hopefully you can make another run at a SB. Once Manning quits you have a successor an have avoided a media circus. Griffin likely could use a year or two to watch and learn the pro style offense.

    I think both Luck and Griffin will be top 5 QBs at some point in their careers. But Luck is ready to play from day one. I’m sure the Colts could get a 2 and 3 this year and maybe a 1 next year. Indy doesn’t need two franchise QBs, they need defensive talent and to replace several aging an overpaid vets
    ————————————————
    It’s a good thing that you are not the Colts GM.

  63. philiplewis1 says: Dec 13, 2011 4:33 PM

    For those that think RG3 is a little small. He’s 6’2″ 220 which is just about the perfect size for athleticism, toughness, sightlines, etc.

    Also, RG3 would outrun Michael Vick easily. As a 17 year old he made it to the semi’s in the Olympic hurdles trials. He was just hundredths away from being on the Olympic team. He set Texas state high school records in the hurdles and almost broke the national record. Vick did not have that type of speed.

    Oh and as a bonus, he was 7th in his HS graduating class, finished HS in 3.5 years, college in 3 years and will finish his Masters at the end of the year. If he doesn’t come back to Baylor next year, it may be because he is running out of classes to take. It’s either law school, a doctorate or another major.

  64. butteredsanta says: Dec 13, 2011 5:41 PM

    trbowman says:
    Dec 11, 2011 11:33 AM
    RG3 wows with his highlights, ESPN hype and people who just stare at box scores, but Ryan Tannehill is the better pro prospect.

    How many posts do you make on the same subject??? Dang dude are you Tannehill’s agent???

  65. ncoolong says: Dec 15, 2011 1:00 PM

    “Also, RG3 would outrun Michael Vick easily. As a 17 year old he made it to the semi’s in the Olympic hurdles trials.”

    Ok, then I’ll take Griffin over Vick as soon as they put hurdles on a football field.

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