Palmer’s mistakes piling up for Raiders

AP

The Raiders offense is different with Carson Palmer, but it hasn’t been appreciably better yet.

The team is 3-3 with Palmer under center. It was 4-2 with Jason Campbell.  Palmer has struggled with interceptions and a roster that is a lot more banged up than it was when Campbell was playing.

Still, it’s hard to ignore Palmer has 13 interceptions already to go with nine touchdowns. Campbell only threw two intereceptions to go with six touchdowns. It was a lower risk offense with Campbell because Darren McFadden was healthy.

“I just need to be more patient, take what they give me and try not to score 14 points on one drive,” Palmer said after throwing four picks against Green Bay via the Oakland Tribune. “Take it one play at a time, take the shot if it’s there, and if not, live for the next down, and I didn’t do that.”

We think Palmer has mostly thrown the ball well, but he’s been fooled by defenses the last two weeks against Miami and Green Bay.

“Carson Palmer keeps looking like the Carson Palmer of old. Not enough zip on the ball, does not protect the ball and cannot carry a team,” NFL.com’s Mike Lombardi writes. “When the Raiders cannot control the pace of the game with the run, they cannot win.”

We’re not sure we’d go that far, but the trade for Palmer is really only worth it if the Raiders make the playoffs. They have an uphill battle now.

The bright side: At least it looks like they’ll only give up one first round pick to the Bengals.

97 responses to “Palmer’s mistakes piling up for Raiders

  1. Wr played bad the pass too weeks, whats going on with DHB he drop 3 catchable balls early in the game sunday, the week before that Kevin Boss played scared over the middle, D.Moore & Ford are Palmer only too play makers and they are out!!!

  2. This man’s last 3 seasons in Cinci were below average. I never understood the hype with this guy. A first and a second for him? The Raiders should be renamed the Ass Clowns.

  3. and what happens if the Raiders win the last 3 and go 10-6? and make the playoffs????

    and take the Bengals wild card spot or forces Denver to take that spot because Oakland wins the division?

    then I guess Cinncy shouldnt have traded him in the same conference…

  4. between all the injuries, the shortened season for Palmer, the front office shift and unrest after AD passed, Everyone will regroup and the Raiders will be alright come next season.

  5. He needs a full training camp and receivers who can run AND CATCH. He might need a better head coach, too. I’m not sure what I think of Hue just yet. I’m a long time Oakland fan, so just to be relevant right now is pretty cool, but with the weapons the Raiders have it’s pretty frustrating to watch the losses mount.

  6. He’s been pretty bad but the way the Bungles have looked lately I bet they’d gladly give back that first rounder to have him at QB.

  7. Dude is overrated and always has been. He is just like any other starting USC QB over the past 10 years. “Overrated”!

  8. This is the same guy who managed to throw 20int with Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson, Jermain Gresham & Jordan Shipley… Yes he can make all the throws, but he is a HORRIBLE desicion maker.

  9. Face it… Palmer sux. He sucked with the Bengals and now with the Raiders. The Bengals organization are sitting back laughing at Hue jackson for a stupid trade like that. Kinda reminds me of the Trade with the Cardinals and the Eagals.

  10. Dude was on the couch for 10 months, 3-3 is pretty impressive all things considering. I’d do that trade any day, trade was for future not just this year, he’ll be much more comfortable next year.

  11. This is a run first team with one of the best backs in the league. Him sitting on the sidelines is going to hurt any offense. Defenses respect Bush, but they aren’t going to fear him busting one for 60 yards. Also for as big as Bush is, Mcfadden is still a better pass blocker. Carson has been under alot of pressure lately. Add to that his time away, and stepping into a new team/new offense midseason….plus missing his two best receivers…its tough to really pass judgment on his performance this year so far.

  12. The guy has been on the team what, 7 weeks? And he’s playing with 2nd string talent right now. He’s done a decent job with all things considered. I like the fact that he takes chances on the deep balls, when our WR’s get back to playing, it should be fun to watch. Campbell threw 2 picks because his deep throws were always out of bounds, not give the wr or db a chance to catch it in play. We’ll watch this thing play out and hope for the best next season.

  13. Raiders have been missing their three best offensive playmakers during the last two losses. Not really fair to compare the two QBs given that fact and the fact that Palmer has had to try to get up to speed halfway through the season.

    Campbell was playing good ball this year. Much, much better than last year. But Palmer has also probably made dozens of downfield completions already on passes that Campbell probably never attempts.

    Campbell is a solid game manager type QB. Palmer, with decent weapons, is a QB who could take this team over the top. I still believe that with a healthy McFadden, Moore and Ford this team could blow through the AFC playoffs. But without those guys — especially McFadden — it’s going to be very tough to even get in.

  14. People who never watched the Bengals kept saying Palmer wasn’t an issue but people who actually watched the team knew different. Something changed after 2005 and he is now much more of a liability than a great performer.

  15. there wan’t anything palmer could have done, he was getting hit by a freight trane no matter what he did. i must say the raider’s looked intense in the beginning of the game, and by halftime looked like they just wanted to get it over with. thank the giants for pis-sing the pack off.

  16. What did they give up for this guy??? Palmer is the first quarterback the Packers faced this season that they didn’t make look like a pro-bowler.

  17. Who cares what this failed has-been GM Mike Lombardi has to say? This is the guy who blasted Randy Moss as being washed-up, lost a step, slow and no longer as good as he thinks he is – yeah, great “scouting report” moron, how’d that work out the next 3 years for the Pats?

    Palmer not putting enough zip on the ball? LOL! Sure let’s just make stuff up and sound like we know what we’re talking about. Maybe this is why you’re not a GM anymore.

    Palmer’s problem is obviously his decision making and the fact he isn’t trusting his protection and doesn’t always know where his receivers are going to be (doesn’t help each week they keep shuffling the line-up due to injury) – that’s what happens when you sign a guy off the street mid-season and build an offense around him.

    His problems are mental, not physical – if anything Palmer makes absolutely gorgeous throws into tight windows that make you see why the Raiders were so excited about him but right now his decision making is god awful and pressing too much.

  18. all cincy has to do is hit on one of the two picks and it will go down as one of the most lopsided trades in NFL history. Carson Palmer is who we thought he was

  19. I’m not Carson Palmer fan, but given the circumstances, I’d say 3-3 is pretty good.

    Oakland basically picked him off the street and threw him into the fire.

    It’s going to take another year before we know whether the Oakland / Cincinnati trade was good or bad.

    Everyone is so willing to rush to judgement. Give it some time. Damn.

  20. You can sense the panic in these responses by Raider fan. They are slowly being forced to accept the fact that the worst franchise in professional sports took them to school.

  21. Anybody that watched Bengals games since 2008 knows Carson can’t consistently get it done. He still thinks he can fit the ball into places that he no longer can. Getting a first round pick for him was the Best move Mike Brown ever made.

  22. We tried to tell you…..You ESPN brainiacs love to talk about his arm strength and 2005…..He makes terrible decisions…..terrible….He personally lost about 4 games last year for my Bengals……He telegraphs his throws…..That pick he threw last week on the slant route……..wow…….Everyone in the stadium knew what he was going to do…..and that was against one of the best corners in the league…….Thanks for the first and the second rounders……suckers………………lol

  23. Ummm, Carson said he needs to be more patient? Dude…you’ve been in the NFL for how long and that’s what you’re saying? That’s what you would hear from Painter, Gabbert, Newton or Ponder saying that in their rookie season but a vet? Great pick Raiders!

  24. I know it is difficult for most sports CPA’s to use logic, especially when the Raiders are concerned, but here it is.

    Dude has next to none of his weapons, in a new offense, and just played two pretty good D’s in their house. He was trying to do what a Heisman winning stud QB would try–to carry the team, and he has been forcing it, admitedly.

    It’s football. In 7 days you can be a new man. Let us play some patsies, and get some people back.

  25. steelcitymasterrace says:
    Dec 13, 2011 11:50 AM
    He’s been pretty bad but the way the Bungles have looked lately I bet they’d gladly give back that first rounder to have him at QB.
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    Um, no. Not even a little bit.

  26. Ya, they should have gone with Boller and then been on a 5 game losing streak, with no shot at the playoffs.

    I guess that makes sense, if you REALLY want it to.

  27. Turns out all of us who laughed at this ridiculous trade were right of course. Palmer is good for 3 or 4 interceptions every week, has 3rd string velocity and accuracy and has been washed up for years. If we could see that why couldnt the Raiders front office?

  28. He’s not doing that bad!

    A. Coming in mid-season with no knowledge of the terminology of the playbook.

    2. Learning/creating chemistry with the WRs asap.

    d. He was eating cheese puffs on his couch when other QBs were practicing slant routes.

    IV. No McFadden or the young playmaking WRs Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore, the FB pos was down to the 3rd string.

    But to be honest, I do get tired of making excuses for him. This is a win first league.

  29. PFT Live needs to have Michael Lombardi on!!!!

    He has good enough articles for PFT and has good insight, a wealth of knowledge of the league, and gives you implicit tips on how to be successful in the league based on his education that ranged from great bosses like Bill Walsh to Al Davis to Bill Belichick!!!

    Enough of Tom Curran!!!! Lombardi knows what insights are all about!!!

  30. BTW…The Bengals are far from regretting letting Carson go. Our QB has more leadership in his pinky finger than Carson does at all. Our QB is a rookie operating at a 2 or 3 year player level, even w/o most of OTA’s and such. He has a lot of potential going forward.
    Carson is an overpaid, overrated vet who’s coming close to the end of his career. We don’t miss him a bit.

  31. I’m not sure what Lombardi is watching; the one encouraging thing about Palmer has been his arm strength. He looks to be all the way back from that elbow injury.

    His decision making and the rest though? let’s talk about something else.

  32. First of all it’s not THAT big of a deal to lose big to the Packers this season–Rodgers might be having the best season for a QB in the history of the NFL and that defense can hold it’s own. Secondly, Palmer has an average offensive line, a weak run game and awful receivers. They still have a chance this season but even if they don’t make the playoffs they can get much better through the draft. RAIDAHS BABY!!!

  33. Seems a little early to be calling Palmer a failure in Oakland. Give him McFadden in the backfield and Ford and Moore back on the outside and then lets see what happens. Plus, how many of his picks were not his fault, such as the one Sunday when DHB quit on a slant route and CWood picked it? Seems to me I remember a few balls bouncing off Raider receivers hands.

  34. I still the the Palmer trade is 50/50 in terms of success. The Raiders number 1 problem is their head coach and their horrible DEFENSE!!

  35. The bright side: At least it looks like they’ll only give up one first round pick to the Bengals.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha… you’re such an insightful guy, Rosenthal… The season isnt over yet…

  36. joetoronto says:
    Dec 13, 2011 12:23 PM
    Ya, they should have gone with Boller and then been on a 5 game losing streak, with no shot at the playoffs.

    I guess that makes sense, if you REALLY want it to.

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    As if signing/keeping a back-up QB that you’ve got zero faith in makes any sense. Only in raiduh nation.

  37. I don’t think he’s as bad has he’s been playing lately but when he hurt his elbow against the Giants back in 2009 that was it. He should have gotten the surgery. A surgery that probably would have IMPROVED his arm strength and velocity. Instead, he opted to rest it and now we are seeing the ramifications. He cannot make the laser dart throws he was making from 2004-2008 but he still thinks he can.

  38. vincentbojackson says:
    Dec 13, 2011 12:16 PM
    You can sense the panic in these responses by Raider fan. They are slowly being forced to accept the fact that the worst franchise in professional sports took them to school.
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    Not very bright of a person who uses a Raider as part of his screen name, then tries to rip them on a blog…

  39. Palmer is hardly the place to start with the blame game. Porous defense, dropped balls, penalties, etc. are more glaring issues. And there is no clear sense of direction at the top so who’s holding anyone accountable?

  40. Quiet, please. Do you hear that sound, Raiders’ fans? It’s the collective laughter of the rest of the football world. It’s particularly audible in southwest Ohio.

    Enjoy giving away a first-round pick, for the luxury of watching other teams play in the post-season this year.

    Nicely done!

  41. Aaron Curry! Carson Palmer! Super Bowl!!!!!!!

    I hope it was a nice little dream, Raider Nation, because the alarm clock is now going off.

  42. Who cares what this failed has-been GM Mike Lombardi has to say? This is the guy who blasted Randy Moss as being washed-up, lost a step, slow and no longer as good as he thinks he is – yeah, great “scouting report” moron, how’d that work out the next 3 years for the Pats?

    Palmer not putting enough zip on the ball? LOL! Sure let’s just make stuff up and sound like we know what we’re talking about. Maybe this is why you’re not a GM anymore.

    Palmer’s problem is obviously his decision making and the fact he isn’t trusting his protection and doesn’t always know where his receivers are going to be (doesn’t help each week they keep shuffling the line-up due to injury) – that’s what happens when you sign a guy off the street mid-season and build an offense around him.

    His problems are mental, not physical – if anything Palmer makes absolutely gorgeous throws into tight windows that make you see why the Raiders were so excited about him but right now his decision making is god awful and pressing too much.

  43. blue18…good points. But do clear up for those of us who don’t follow Mandy Ross’s career, nor the Patriots. How many rings did they win together?

    As for Palmer. He’s never been a particularly great QB, and he’s not showing any signs of getting any better now that he’s with an even more dysfunctional squad than the Bengals.

    Compare his contribution to the Raiders, to that of a third-stringer like TJ Yates and the Texans. Clearly, the Texans have a substantially better front office and coaching staff, so they can plug guys in and make things work. The Raiders? They clearly have one of the worst composites in the entire league. How many head coaches have they been through in the last decade? That’s a serious question, as I seriously doubt that Google could even solve that riddle.

  44. could be a lot worse, we could have boller playing and lost every game since. I like the palmer deal, Props to Hue, Amy, and Mark for getting the deal done. Best move by the raiders since Seymour, but Aaron Curry also has played great for the Raiders.

    Give me any team in the NFL, where a back up qb is playing, and throwing to back up WR’s, and handing the ball off to a back up RB, and I am sure it’s not rosey and pretty….

    Cue the haters, but the nation know’s Carson is the best QB we have had since Gannon. He just needs those guys to quit dropping the ball that he is throwing to.

  45. the raiders could have signed any qb off the street to play as long as mcfadden was healthy…without him their offense looks bad and their defense draws so many flags you would think they were the united nations….let’s face it the raiders were a nice story at the beginning of the year but they just fell apart like they always seem to do…i thought at the time the carson palmer trade was a terrible one for the raiders and granted maybe he needs an offseason to work himself into the system but even one first round pick was too much for this guy he’s don

  46. n0hopeleft says: Dec 13, 2011 12:54 PM

    The Raiders suck. They aren’t winning the next 3, and they would be a waste of a playoff spot.

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    Yea, and I guess the beyond boring to watch for 55 minutes of the game, Denver Tebows, would be soooo much better.

    Give me a break. Win or lose, the Raiders have a much bigger fan base than the Bungles and the Tebows combined, so it would be much better for the NFL if the Raiders became regulars in the post season again. If anything is a waste in this world, it’s people like you.

  47. Have him on fantasy and can only hope him to turn around this week.

    He has sucked ever since he tore his ACL in the playoffs. He was at the top of his game prior to that injury and was considered amongst top QB at that time. Boy has his stock fallen.

    Players usually come back from those types of injuries but he has never been the same for some reason. Maybe he plays scared or maybe he is not the same player anymore.

  48. raiders757:

    Spoken like a true Raiders fan…abject opinion, totally devoid of facts and no realistic grounding in reality.

    This “much bigger” fan base of which you speak. Was this the one that failed to sell-out games in Oakland the first time around, the one in Los Angeles which failed to sell-out, or the one back in Oakland, again, which only managed a few?

    The Broncos (no, I’m not a fan of theirs) have historically had one of the greatest home attendance records in the league, and with the sudden rise of Tebow, are arguably the hottest commodity in all of pro-sports right now.

    So, don’t confuse your fanatic interest in the Raiders, with the facts. No one outside Alameda County Jail, or LA County lockup is interested in seeing the Raiders in the post-season. All the networks would LOVE to see Tebow and the Broncos on their air, so they could double their ad-rates.

    But nice try. Keep at it.

  49. Jason Campbell is a better QB than Palmer???
    Now I know you are a Raider hater and know nothing about football.
    Forget about Andrew Luck … according to you every team will be fighting over Jason Campbell next year and McNabb too.

  50. Raiders are making the playoffs no matter what, They will win the next 3 games and I would bet my house that the Jets do not beat The Giatns, Eagles or MIAMI….
    Jets will lose the next 3…
    Raiders can actually lose 2 games and still make the playoffs cause the Titans and Bengals will not win out either..
    Honestly raiders could go 8-8 and still make the Wild Card so don’t panic Raider Nation Raiders are going to the playoffs regardless what Raider Hater Websites and ESPN nad Lombardi who is the 2nd most Raider Hater behind Warren Sapp

  51. The Denver fan base is almost solely in the Denver metroplex area. The Raider fan base is truly worldwide (I’ve see Raider grear in 14 different countries – the only other team I’ve seen repeatedly overseas is Dallas with a little Pittsburgh sprinkled around). Don’t confuse selling out a stadium in a city with very little else to do, to selling out a stadium in ANY part of California. Oh and FYI – the Raiders were selling fine before Al moved them to LA. He did that for 2 reasons: 1) To piss off the league and show them he, and he alone, had full control of what happened with his team; 2) Because Oakland failed to do anything about luxury boxes and their old-a** stadium (which Al hated sharing with the A’s).

    The Broncos are not a national team. Tebow is a national brand, but trust me, the Raiders are a FAR bigger draw than the Tebows nationwide.

  52. Sure. In addition to making the playoffs “no matter what” perhaps they’ll also win the Stanley Cup, an NBA title, and perhaps a couple PBA events. Sure. Why not.

  53. But hurt Bengal fans??? joetoronto have you heard the term no vaseline? Thats exactly what the Bengals did to the Raiders. The first pick the Raiders gave up will be a higher pick than theirs. 2013′ s pick will be a second rounder, but a high one.

  54. Maybe, just maybe Carson “The Crybaby” Palmer hurt the Bengals more than he helped them. Loser

  55. Stop bringing up Boller as if he was the only QB option outside of Palmer. What kind of a non-sequitur is that? The fact is the raiders could have gotten another quarterback to come in and play at the same level Palmer is playing at and they would not of had to give up 2 early round picks for it. –Boller has nothing to do with it… why IS he still on the roster?

  56. No offense to you Oakland fans, but Cincinnati fans (and non-fans) have known for quite some time Palmer would never be the QB people thought he could be.

    his limitations:

    more focused on the results rather than process (which yields the best results)
    * be excessively bothered when throwing an interception—more than most other BT
    * not let mistakes go, continuing to think about recent mess ups
    * try not to make mistakes and play conservatively rather than loose and offensively
    * too concerned with the clock, causing unnecessary pressure
    * too concerned with plays and play calling rather than “seeing” field and throwing with good rhythm and tempo

    will throw picks w/o seeing/picking up nearby defenders
    * will be blindsided much more often when attempting to pass
    * often develop excessive tunnel vision; is not gifted in checking down to secondary receivers;
    **has difficulty coming off primary receiver; has strong tendency to lock on.
    * not good at making quick, spatial decisions
    * will become less adept at reading and reacting to pass rush

  57. Why not give Terrell Pryor an opportunity? With the success we’ve with Tim Tebow and Cam Newton, Pryor just might be the spark the Raiders need to get past this late season slump.

  58. Right now 8-8 looks like a fading possibility. At least Tom Cable swept the division and managed a few blow out wins.

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